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Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« on: September 01, 2022, 06:05:16 am »
Hello,

I had TWO positive Insti rapid test after a single risk contact after 23 days.
The test can probably work after 3 weeks - that's also in the instructions. That is because IT dectects also IGM antibodies.
I only did the test because I developed some symptoms after the contact.
I wont described the Symptoms in Detail, because you always say, that symptoms dont matter.
Ibthen had an antigen/antibody test done in the laboratory after 24(the day after the reactive Insti Tests), 26, 33 and 38 days, as well as a PCR for HIV1 on day 26.

Do you think I'm "Safe"?  I just can't stand the wait for the full 6 weeks.

My reasoning is that if the rapid test on day 23 had really been positive, then the lab tests right afterwards should have been positive anyway.  Or am I wrong here?

I would appreciate a detailed answer as this positive test has caused insane fear.

 Many thanks in advance and best regards!

Please excuse the bad language since i am from Germany, but there are no boards Like yours.

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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2022, 07:26:04 am »
What was the exposure?
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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2022, 07:33:33 am »
Protected anal and vaginal Sex with a female (i am Male). She gave me unprotected oral.

But all was very quick and rough and i am not 100% sure if maybe the condom slipped of or anything, as i changed it 3 Times due to oral in between.

Do you think the Lab Tests overrule the rapid Test Results? Or net yet?

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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2022, 08:14:59 am »
Hiya,

Receiving a blowjob is no HIV risk to you whatsoever, and you would have known if the condom had entirely slipped off during intercourse resulting in condomless intercourse.

If this was your only sexual encounter/activity, I see no reason to test outside the yearly routine, and the reactive screening test was just that and nothing more.

If you had any exposure not mentioned here, then, by all means, test at six weeks with a blood draw (lab) antibody test. The result will rarely change, and retesting at three months generally isn't needed.

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse correctly and consistently, with no exceptions. Consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as safe in terms of acquiring HIV still pose a risk for other easier acquired STIs.So please do get tested at least yearly for STIs, including but not limited to HIV, and more frequently if condomless intercourse occurs.

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms, and the only way of knowing is by testing.

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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2022, 08:18:52 am »
I Had other protected exposures but they were 9 weeks before the last Lab Test. So i can rule them out i think.
So are you convinced the Insti Test was false reactive?

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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2022, 08:31:18 am »
Well, I think my thoughts are clear on this one.

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If this was your only sexual encounter/activity, I see no reason to test outside the yearly routine, and the reactive screening test was just that and nothing more.

If you had any exposure not mentioned here, then, by all means, test at six weeks with a blood draw (lab) antibody test. The result will rarely change, and retesting at three months generally isn't needed.

Now let me change the situation and pretend you told me you had had condomless intercourse.

In that case, I would tell you to retest at six weeks with the lab blood draw antibodies test to confirm your HIV status as you are currently testing within the window period.
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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 08:34:19 am »
Hey,

Im really concerned because me and my fiance are trying to get pregnant but i dont want to have unprotected sex with her yet. 

What is your opinion?

Thank you very much


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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2022, 03:55:11 am »
I've removed part of your post that I've already answered as I will not repeat myself and merged the posts.

Posting more than three questions or responses requires a paid subscription. Hence you could not post here without one, but that doesn't mean you get to post in sub-forums for people living with HIV to bypass the subscription requirements.

Don't post outside of this thread again. Next time, it will lead to a ban; thank you!

Hey,

Im really concerned because me and my fiance are trying to get pregnant but i dont want to have unprotected sex with her yet. 

What is your opinion?

Thank you very much




I wish you both the best.

I'll mention the same thing I do whenever anyone mentions being in a relationship. If you engage in condomless sex with your partner, you are obviously at risk of acquiring HIV.

In relationships, condomless sex is often based on trust or past test results; however, this does not prevent HIV, so if condomless sex does occur, you should consider testing more frequently.


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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2023, 02:47:02 pm »
Hey i am back with subscription, thank you for your replies back then.

I tested every week since my positive rapid tests throughout 6 months since my last exposure and 4 1/2 since the two positive rapid tests.
I did about 30 4th gen tests, 4 times PCR for HIV 1 and 2 and two times Western Blot.
Besides that I also did about 50 rapid tests (Alere and Insti again). All negative.
I am still worried. I hope you can understand that somehow, since the positive INSTI tests, which are known to be very reliable, were very traumatizing.

Can I really be 100% be sure now? I am still experiencing some symptoms and back then, when the insti was positive, I had lots of very specific symptoms. I know you always tell symptoms mean nothing as long as you don't test positive, but paired with my positive rapid tests maybe it needs a closer look, because I actually tested positive, although the follow up tests were negative until now.

I couldn't find any reports from other people online with positive Insti tests. That is still so scary. I always read about Oraquick false positives but NEVER Insti.

Are there any other tests available to be really sure? I don't want to infect my wife. We want to have kids, but I am scared to have unprotected sex with her.

I know I did too much testing but I just went crazy about all that.
I also know being positive is not a big deal these days. But being undiagnosed for a longer time can do more harm.

And one last question:Could this much testing and having so much blood drawn affect my results or immune system?

Thank you!
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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2023, 03:07:24 pm »
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since my last exposure

Wait when did you last have condomless intercourse or a broken condom during intercourse?

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I don't want to infect my wife.

Use a condom

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We want to have kids, but I am scared to have unprotected sex with her.

Unless you lock her up 24/7 and test her after being locked up for a few months before  condomless intercourse it will mean you are accepting the risk of acquiring HIV.
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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2023, 03:09:21 pm »
I had two exposures. Both protected but oral unprotected and Handjobs with lots of vaginal fluid. The first was June 23 and the second Juli 24 back in 2022.
At my first exposure the sex worker also played on my anus with her fingers after fingering herself.

The last negative 4th gen and PCR was this week (January 9, 2023)

The positive Insti tests were both on the same day in Mid August. Which was 8 weeks after the first and three weeks after the second exposure.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2023, 03:19:50 pm »
Let's be clear that wasn't an exposure, and I am unwilling to pretend it was. The only potential exposure mentioned here was from the wife.

As for the screening results being reactive,  it happens commonly enough, for example, due to cross antibody reactions. However, you have had confirmation testing afterwards, including what was and still is in many places, the gold standard, a WB test confirming at the time your negative HIV status.

I don't know what real exposures you have had since then, but if you engage in condomless sex with your wife, you are obviously at risk of acquiring HIV.

In relationships, condomless sex is often based on trust or past test results; however, this does not prevent HIV, so if condomless sex does occur, you should consider testing more frequently.

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oral unprotected and Handjobs with lots of vaginal fluid. The first was June 23 and the second Juli 24 back in 2022.
At my first exposure the sex worker also played on my anus with her fingers after fingering herself.

Not an HIV risk, and I am so much unwilling to entertain you because it is a disservice to you and the community that if you ask me again subscription or not its going to result in a ban.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2023, 03:22:43 pm »
I had condomless sex with my wife before these exposures. But never afterwards because I was scared to infect her. And she tested negative after all that. So it must have been from these two other exposures. But you really think I didn't contract hiv from that? 100 %? Despite these positive tests?
I had no other exposures since these two back in June/Juli. Also always protected with my wife.
I have read about proviral DNA testing. Do you think this could make sense? Also if it is just for piece of mind...

I think my case is a little different than most of the others here, since they are panicing over nothing, because they never had a positive test. But I had. Hope you understand this.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2023, 03:31:29 pm »
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I had condomless sex with my wife, yes. But she tested negative after all that.

Well, presuming you witnessed the results yourself, it means she didn't have HIV a few months before that. Now unless she is locked up 24/7 (please don't) it means nothing going forward and any condomless intercourse means accepting the risk of acquiring HIV.

I am not going to explain it to you again.

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So it must have been from these two other exposures.

No, it would mean you got it from your wife or some event not mentioned here.

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But you really think I didn't contract hiv from that? 100 %? Despite these positive tests?

You didn't have an HIV exposure from the concerned events nor did you have a positive result,  You had a reactive antibody result, common enough and a conclusive negative although you have an ongoing risk from sex with the wife.
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Re: Reactive Insti Test - very worried
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2023, 03:31:57 pm »
I am done discussing this with you.
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2023, 03:34:10 pm »
Alright. Thank you very much. I will try to accept it. Its hard to forget these two positives though. Thought I am positive for a long time, since I was told the lab tests are not conclusive until 3 months. That was a though time...

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2023, 03:46:29 pm »
You did not have a positive result, you didn't need to test 76 times, and you didn't have a risk besides sex with your wife. No drama was ever needed, move on with your life, use condoms or accept the risk

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