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Author Topic: Non Penetration sex  (Read 377 times)

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Offline rashmitadas26881

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Non Penetration sex
« on: October 30, 2019, 10:22:21 pm »
Hello Jim,

My apologies.. I am new to this forum and so was not aware how to post a question. I think that's the reason my previous reply was deletef.

I am really going through a bad phase.  I was just trying to figure out about the below link and wanted your valuable opinion.

Please accept my apologies if I have broken any rules of the forum by mistake.


https://synergypublishers.com/jms/index.php/jtmh/article/view/380

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Re: Non Penetration sex
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2019, 11:04:09 pm »
Hiya,

Breast sucking in adults lacks all the biological conditions required for the transmission of HIV. - Move on with your life.

I presume BTW the concern is lactating/trace fluids on her nipples etc. This is more a myth stemming in part from breastfeeding but the truth is this is only a concern in quantities ingested by infants with underdeveloped tissue and immune systems. The entire mechanics of breastfeeding HIV transmission means at its peak for an infant via oral digestion with their underdeveloped immune system, and developing tissue the transmission is about 0.00064 per litre of breast milk ingested

You, on the other hand, are an adult, you also did not ingest a litre of fluid, your saliva is hostile towards HIV and, you also have an adult immune system. Your mouth also generally lacks the cells (route) for HIV to infect, not that it matters.  So you do not even have a 0.00064 risk, you had none, not even theoretical, simply no HIV risk.  Now I could go on but I think you get the picture

Read the link you posted, reminds me of the handshaking HIV claims. This "study" is nothing more than a collection of stories, it's interviewing a few people about their knowledge of HIV from foreplay. Foreplay covers all manners of delightful sins, some of them are HIV risk and others are not. This paper does not seem to distinguish between these acts, it's very vague on the acts and that's a very poor start if you ask me.

This is made worse that it's not backed up and neither is it hard scientific research or offer details into how transmission would occur, I also don't see a method that supports the writer's conclusion so I am totally not surprised this paper has not made any impact in the world of HIV, so why let it get to you?

Look all in all for many of the early years during the epidemic, scientists and researchers relied on interviews with infected persons and, when possible, their partners. While this went far to advance transmission vector theory, patient reports are notoriously unreliable/biased - particularly when dealing with socially stigmatized issues such as sexuality, homosexuality, and anal sex.

Move on with your life and stop reading obscure observational publications, if you must read something stick to some hard peer-reviewed science

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP going forward as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other easier to transmit STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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Re: Non Penetration sex
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2019, 04:37:05 am »
Thanks Jim for the reply and detailed explanation. I have been engaged with csw on few occasions. All I did was foreplay  .. And u were right it was majorly breast sucking and on few occasions just kissing and licking the neck and ears. I made sure to were condom even for that..and more over my pants were on. I didn't remove it. I just concen if there is possibility vai the mouth. Since I have read that oral sex has to some degree risk.

Does these activities qualify for oral sex?

U mentioned forplay has all sort of sins which can potentially pose a risk. Is the an even THEORIOTICAL risk or even remotest type of risk.

I am just concen about rarest of the rare case

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Re: Non Penetration sex
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2019, 05:45:23 am »
No HIV risk at all.

Licking her skin, HIV is fragile and doesn't remain infectious in contact with the environment.

If she were to have a penis and you sucked it, you would have had a near negligible HIV risk so minute we don't recommend testing outside of normal yearly routine, but you didn't even have that to worry about

Ultimately HIV transmission is always a biological event and biologically, four conditions need to be present simultaneously for HIV transmission to occur even in theory: The virus must be present in an infectious body fluid from the HIV positive person, it must be present at sufficient levels to cause infection. There must be an effective route of transmission, and it must reach susceptible cells in another person.

You did not meet the conditions needed for acquiring HIV from these activities
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PEP and PrEP

 


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