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« on: October 12, 2019, 04:39:59 pm »
Hello!
17 days ago, I had a sexual activities with a CSW. I had protected vaginal intercourse but after some minutes, as I was losing erection, I removed the condom and I rubbed my penis against her vulva with fluid for 10 minutes then I cumed. Also, In the begining, she stroked her clitoris then she gave me a hand job with the same hand which certainly was in touch with her fluid. 8 days after the activities I have  got cold, sorethroat and cough that haven't gone so far and 12 days later, I got muscle pains, Itch and a severe head ache that I eased with paracetamol. Also 2 days ago, my temperature raised 37,5°C then came down thanks to medicines. I am scared by these symptoms. What was my HIV risk through the reported activities?

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Re: Frottage
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2019, 04:51:01 pm »
What you posted is not an HIV concern.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP as an additional layer of HIV protection going forward

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages

Kind regards

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Re: Frottage
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2019, 12:58:51 am »
Hi jim!
I was assured that I didn't take an HIV risk after your message but there are other things that scare me. My cold doesn't stop even after 1 month, in addition I'm sneezing a lot and have an itchy eyes that sometimes producing tears.  Last wednesday or 36 days post exposure I did an HIV rapid test which came back negative. The night of the same day, I received a blowjob from my girlfriend. Now i'm feeling guilty, saying to myself if I'm in the primo-infection I may infect my girlfriend. Can you, guy , reassure me that I ran no risk by rubbing intensely the vulva of the CSW! I am scared by the idea of making run my Gf a risk of catching HIV. :'(
 

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2019, 03:14:42 am »
Hiya,

You did not acquire HIV from the activities posted here.

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she stroked her clitoris then she gave me a hand job with the same hand which certainly was in touch with her fluid

Right, so the concern was the fluids from her clitoris on her hands touching your penis, the rubbing against her whilst she was wet and the fluids post intercourse from the condom touching your penis.

To start with HIV is incredibly fragile, highly limited and sexually only transmitted inside the confines of the human body, an example would be during intercourse. 

HIV once it is exposed outside the confines of the human body to the environment, small changes in temperature, pH/moisture levels and AIR damage the outer receptors that the virus uses to infect human cells and thus renders it unable to infect. Also, HIV cannot reproduce outside a human host.

In addition, the fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, this is a lubricating fluid and does not have any more HIV present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears.  Saliva, sweat and tears are not infectious fluids.

All in all, HIV transmission is always a biological event and biologically, four conditions need to be present simultaneously for HIV transmission to occur even in theory: The virus must be present in an infectious body fluid from the HIV positive person, it must be present at sufficient levels to cause infection. There must be an effective route of transmission, and it must reach susceptible cells in another person.

You did not meet the conditions needed for acquiring HIV from fluids on her hands, the condom touching you or from rubbing against her.

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I had protected vaginal intercourse

HIV can't transmit through an intact latex or polyurethane condom. If a condom fails during intercourse it's obvious, as far as you know did not happen and so there is no logical reason to stress about this either.

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I'm sneezing a lot and have an itchy eyes
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I have  got cold, sorethroat and cough
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muscle pains, Itch and a severe head ache

I hope you feel better soon but instead of stressing about something it's not, go see your doctor and treat it whatever is making you sick. No amount of guilty feelings will change that this has nothing to do with HIV

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my girlfriend

She is ultimately responsible for her own health and for accepting the risks of HIV & easier to transmit STI's that come with some sexual activity 

Back to your assessment if I don't point this out it would be wrong. If you have been engaging in unprotected intercourse with your partner this would meet all the biological conditions needed for acquiring HIV.

Now I don't judge couples that decide to engage in unprotected intercourse, it's often based on trust within a relationship, however, just note this trust or faith does not prevent HIV and any unprotected intercourse is simply accepting a possible risk to you of acquiring HIV. Test regularly, understand your real risks.

Best, Jim
« Last Edit: November 03, 2019, 03:32:45 am by Jim Allen »
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