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Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« on: February 10, 2019, 04:38:02 am »
Hi Moderators,

Thank you so much for your time.

My only incident is getting my penis sucked unprotected by a sex worker in Africa. I realize this is no risk whatsoever however I have a wart on my penis that actively bleeds from time to time. Right after the incident I noticed my wart was bleeding (probably due to the vigorous and rough bj) and now I am super worried of acquiring HIV. If she had any blood present in her mouth, and my wart bleeding while she was giving me a blowjob would be a risk for acquiring HIV? Please help.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 04:47:53 am »
I read your post three times.

It was no HIV risk to you whatsoever, so if this was your only sexual actity than, simply move on with your life

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP in the future as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 04:54:59 am »
Thank you so much Jim for your assessment. Thank you for reading my post 3 times as well. All ok to have unprotected sex with my gf then I’d assume? I really feel like a dog for doing this but of course alcohol was present when I had this incident with the sex worker. Definitely learnt my lesson here.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 05:01:23 am »
No HIV risk from getting your penis sucked. You might as well be asking me if you as a male could end up becoming pregnant from this  ;) So simply stop and move on.

As for your partner well different story, if you have been or are engaging in condomless intercourse as example it's a clear HIV risk meeting all the bilogical conditions required  and it's a greater STI risk

Nobody here is going to tell you it's okay to engage in unprotected intercourse ever. Read the below again carefully!

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 06:20:54 am »
Thanks Jim..my gf and I are in a ‘monogamous’ relationship and have been tested for HIV 6 months ago and we have been having unprotected sex ever since. That’s why I asked if all good to continue the unprotected sex with her.

Thanks again Jim

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 06:27:43 am »
Thanks Jim..my gf and I are in a ‘monogamous’ relationship and have been tested for HIV 6 months ago and we have been having unprotected sex ever since. That’s why I asked if all good to continue the unprotected sex with her.

Thanks again Jim

Great she tested 6 months ago meaning 9 months ago she did not have HIV, totally irrelevant today though and, plenty of members here to testify to acquiring HIV in "monogamous" relationships ...

See i don't judge couples that decide to engage in unprotected intercourse, its often based on trust within a relationship,and totally up to you. What I am telling you is the simple fact its accepting a HIV risk. See trust or faith in people does not prevent HIV transmission and any unprotected intercourse, simply meets all the biological conditions needed, hence the risk assessment is that engaging in this activity is therefor accepting a possible HIV risk and a greater risk of easier to transmit STIs.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2019, 06:12:23 am »
Hello Moderators,

I hope this post finds you all well. Wade, Jim, Ann, Andy, Jkin and all others I've missed, wish you guys/girls nothing but the best. Happy to say I took my bi-annual HIV antibody test on August 28th and the results were negative. I have a new concern and I've scoured this forum along with thebody, medhelp, for answers. I bit the skin around my thumb and index finger to a pulp (muscle was showing), both areas started bleeding a lot. In that exact moment I swatted a mosquito out of instinct with the same fingers and well what looked like a huge amount of wet blood from the mosquito landed on my wounds. I was not bitten by the mosquito so this was not my blood that landed directly on my wounds. Everywhere it says Mosquitos cannot spread HIV through a bite, but I got fresh wet blood landing directly on my wounds within milliseconds. I know mosquitos digest HIV+ blood, but this mosquito had not finished digesting and hence the huge amount of wet blood landing on my fresh open wounds. I am a bit concerned if this mosquito had HIV+ blood that it was trying to digest when I swatted it. Also that night I went to bed (naked which I always do), and when I woke up the next morning and pulled the comforter off the bed there was this huge streak of red blood. I had no visible cuts except the ones on my fingers, a friend of mine said it must have been a mosquito, happens to him all the time. Should I be concerned about that especially since I went to bed naked and this blood could come in contact with my urethra, or the finger cuts.
Is HIV+ blood in the gut of the mosquito still viable if digestion hasn't taken place? Once a mosquito has a blood meal and taken HIV+ blood into its stomach, is the HIV virus rendered unviable instantaneously once it is in the mosquitos gut? I'm really confused because the blood was not exposed to oxygen while in the mosquitos stomach, so how could it not be viable when that blood lands on freshly cut wounds?

Thanks guys for your responses in advance.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2019, 08:26:21 am »
Hiya

You can't get HIV from mosquitoes, regardless if it's splash back, squatting them or being bitten.

You're concern is far less complex than the story, when breaking this story down it is simply a "Spillage concern". Spillage is not an HIV risk,  end of story.

No need to overthink this one.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2019, 09:00:17 am »
Thanks a lot Jim, God bless you. Do you know if hiv blood in mosquito guts are unviable immediately? Any other moderators have input as well? Happy Labour Day everyone.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2019, 09:28:38 am »
Hiya,

Relax if they have anything to add they will, no invite needed

It's guts are not the issue, it's simply not the same conditions as the confines of the human body and not in levels needed to infect. Move on with your life!

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2019, 09:38:44 am »
Ok Jim thank you. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2019, 11:26:36 am »
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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2019, 01:39:44 am »
Hey Jim and moderators just a thought what if the blood streak on the bedsheet was left by someone else? We have domestic help that do the beds, and my thought is maybe the blood on the bedsheet was from them. Would this pose a risk since I was lying on the bedsheet naked and had my finger cuts exposed as well? The bedsheet wasn’t  really exposed to air as it was covered snuggly by the comforter until I jumped into bed later in the evening. I know the bed was done at 3 pm with comforter fitted snuggly over the bedsheet and I jumped into bed at 8 pm. Any thoughts would be so helpful.

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2019, 02:16:27 am »
Hiya

Your cut finger is not a route for HIV infection to start with but besides this, but in addition, your bedsheet is not the same conditions as inside the human body, neither is it vacuum sealed with an airlock to enter and leave.

What you are describing is again spillage fears during normal day to day contact, HIV is not transmitted this way. de the confides of the human body.

HIV transmission is always a biological event and four conditions need to all be present simultaneously for HIV transmission to occur even in theory: The virus must be present in infectious body fluid from the HIV positive person, it must be present at sufficient levels to cause infection. There must be an effective route of transmission, and it must reach susceptible cells in another person.

You met none of the 4 biological conditions needed. 

One of the reasons is HIV is fragile, once HIV finds itself exposed outside the body, small changes in temperature, pH/moisture levels all damage the outer receptors rendering it unable to infect. This is so much the case that there has never been a day to day contact transmission case with fluids

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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2019, 02:38:18 am »
Jim the fact that you say there has never been a day to day contact transmission case with fluids and that 'spillage' is not a risk alleviates a lot of fears on my end. Thank you sir, I'll put this one to bed, no pun intended.

 

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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2019, 05:17:01 am »
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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2019, 09:27:40 am »
Sorry Jim for coming back to you on this. I’m having a hard time understanding why my bleeding wounds (2 of them) with muscle showing would not be a route for HIV infection? When you say their has never been a case with day to day contact transmission case with fluids, are you saying even with significantly deep bleeding wounds present? I don’t think you know the wounds on the sides of finger were quite big and are only now scabbing.

I apologize Jim, just if you can clarify.

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2019, 09:54:31 am »
Hiya

Even if you were bleeding to death contact with fluids on a bed sheet is not an HIV concern, your bed-sheet is not vacuum sealed or the same conditions as found within the confines of the human body.

Theoretically if you ever got into a knife fight and stabbed someone to death and you had equally life threatening wounds and rubbed them directly together bleeding large amounts into each-other it might be something to discuss although still just theoretical, your bed-sheet and mosquito are not in the same extreme 

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You met none of the 4 biological conditions needed.

One of the reasons is HIV is fragile, once HIV finds itself exposed outside the body, small changes in temperature, pH/moisture levels all damage the outer receptors rendering it unable to infect. This is so much the case that there has never been a day to day contact transmission case with fluids
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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2019, 10:14:09 am »
Ok thanks Jim I think I get what you’re saying. And mosquito blood squashed into my bleeding wounds is not possible for HIV infection because HIV in that blood is not in levels needed to infect. That’s correct right? What levels are needed in order for infection to occur?

Sorry for being a pain Jim, just want to wrap my head around this so I can truly let it go. You’ve been so helpful. Than you once again.

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2019, 11:10:11 am »
I've just explained the levels would be bleeding to death rubbed together, an extreme to help you understand and you now accept the bed sheets are not a concern yet at the same time you are now back to the Mosquito.

Do you think the mosquito being squatted equals being stabbed to death? It's spillage

Anyhow the Mosquito is not the human body, not the same environment. I'm not going to keep going over some of the top HIV myths with you or what has already answered.

Jim

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You can't get HIV from mosquitoes, regardless if it's splash back, squatting them or being bitten.

You're concern is far less complex than the story, when breaking this story down it is simply a "Spillage concern". Spillage is not an HIV risk,  end of story.

No need to overthink this one.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2019, 11:20:52 am »
Thank you Jim for taking the time to go over it one more time. I appreciate that a lot.

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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2019, 11:24:41 am »
Hiya

Look all you need to manage are your adult risks, everything outside 3 are basically non-existing risks. It's that simple.

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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2020, 08:32:06 am »
Hi Jim and all moderators,

I really hate to be back but there is something that happened that is driving me nuts. I am really hoping and praying for the best. I recently moved back to Canada and live with roommates, one who is positive (who I know is not on meds and is a real slob) and the other status unknown. At the time of the incident I had a cold sore developing (maybe day 3) on my upper lip. Ok so this is what happened:

- The HIV + person went to the bathroom (we only have one in the house)
- right after he finished and left the bathroom I entered (I really had to pee as I was holding it for some time and waiting outside that bathroom door to get in)
- When he opened the door I went in and I straight away whipped out my penis and just peed to get that relief and to my horror as I looked down at the toilet bowl for aim all I see are feces (huge chunks - the guy did not flush!) and some reddish substance which I have to assume has to be blood.
- I continued to pee bc nothing has happened so I thought ok just continue and then flush all together. To my horror a second later I felt what was toilet splash (feces + the red substance) land right smack onto my cold sore. Like a direct hit. I stood there frozen! Completely frozen  :'(... thinking what the f just happened! I just continued to pee as the feces and red substance is kind of drying on my cold sore now. I finish peeing and flush and then wipe this substances off my cold sore with my t-shirt (the area turns out to be reddish brown on my t-shirt). Now I'm freaking panicking and saying to myself get the hell out of the bathroom, which I do and go to my room and just start crying and crying crying.
It's like as hard as I put things into perspective like Jim mentioned above the only things to worry about are unprotected vaginal and anal and it's just that simple. I've read Ann posts saying hiv cannot survive in a toilet bowl (but I used the toilet bowl mere seconds after him), I've read feces cannot transmit the disease but I saw feces with blood, and to make this worse the toilet bowl feces and blood made it right onto my cold sore. What are the odds, why is shit like this happening to me.

Jim Ann all moderators what's my risk here? Should I go to emergency room for PEP?

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2020, 08:39:09 am »
I just wanted to add I didn't even wash my lip area after with water. I just wiped it with my t-shirt and my own saliva (like the cold sore area). This place that I am staying at is always filthy and dirty, so I am looking for other accommodation with more than 1 toilet. Waiting for you thoughts to know what I should do. Thank you so much and God Bless.

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2020, 08:48:17 am »
No HIV risk, no drama required whatsoever!

Receiving a blowjob, Bedsheets, mosquitoes, toilets ... I don't know why you keep having these irrational fears about HIV but consider speaking face-to-face with a therapist to help you cope with your thoughts.

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Lack of coping skills and resilience to normal day-to-day life just an opinion and something to consider talking to a qualified therapist about.


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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2020, 08:51:30 am »
Thank Jim as always for the quick reply. Can you explain why it's not a risk? It was just mere seconds before he and I used the toilet and his blood and fecal matter landing directly on my cold sore on my upper lip (and it stayed there for a a couple minutes until I finished peeing and flushed the toilet).
I'm really confused here Jim.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2020, 09:04:52 am »
Trust me we have been over this before, you have to apply the information already provided.  You can ask about "spillage" a 1000 different ways however the answer will remain the same that it's not an HIV risk due to the barriers and lack of exposure to viable HIV.

Out of kindness, if you post again about spillage scenarios or anything related to them it will lead in a ban from the forum to encourage you to speak to a therapist.

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2020, 09:09:11 am »
Thank you Jim. I have been losing my mind over this incident because of the fecal matter and blood landing on my cold sore and staying on there for a couple of minutes.
I get what you are saying Jim about the therapist, and yeah I think it's high time.
Thank you for answering I appreciate that so much.

If anyone else wants to add please do. I want to let this go.

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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2020, 09:12:04 am »
You're welcome.

Now move on with your life, consider it a closed topic!
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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2020, 12:14:35 pm »
Hi Jim thank you for all your help, I have an appointment set for the therapist on February 18th. I am putting this to bed but I just have one small query which I hope you can answer, is a newly formed cold sore on a lip considered an open wound and access to the bloodstream?

I know you have said before deep cuts (the ones needing stitches) are wounds with access to the bloodstream. I just want to be certain in my mind what is access to the bloodstream and what is not.

Thank you and bless.


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Re: Bleeding penis - unprotected bj
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2020, 01:00:45 pm »
As promised a ban.

The condition of your face/lip is rather irrelevant, you did not acquire HIV from the toilet and this has been explained to you in-depth.

I wish you well for the future and hope that the therapist you will see can help you cope with your thoughts/fears.

Jim
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 01:07:22 pm by Jim Allen »
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