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Author Topic: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?  (Read 499 times)

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Offline rainbowstrike

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VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« on: December 09, 2018, 10:34:01 pm »
Hi Ive seen a lot of information on sites that said that an undetectable VL is considered below 200 and others says that its considered below 50 copies/ml. So my question is... whats the real data or the most outdated one? Sorry English is not my mother tongue. ;D

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Re: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2018, 11:34:06 pm »
Things change, so the useful answer to your question depends on the "date-stamp" of the site-search related to the classification of undetectable VL.

These days a viral load below 50 VL load is generally considered to be undetectable.

However, a viral load of 200 is certainly not extraordinarily high.

Why do you ask?

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Re: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2018, 04:26:00 am »
I'm with Ptrk. It really depends on why you are asking?

Also are you living with HIV? How are your labs looking like and are you on treatment?

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Re: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2018, 07:51:15 am »
for research purposes, the CDC, and HRSA HAB recommendations, 200 or below is "undetectable". For the average patient, it depends on the lab doing the testing; but that value is usually <20 or <50
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Offline rainbowstrike

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Re: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2018, 08:52:48 am »
Yes, Ive been living with HIV for the last 8 months also Im on treatment. I asked this because my last lab results were:

VL: 70 copies/ml

CD4: 404

I was wondering if im undetectable and start the count to the six months to be fully U=U

« Last Edit: December 11, 2018, 09:09:36 am by rainbowstrike »

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Re: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2018, 09:47:05 am »
Hiya

Welcome to the forum, sorry to hear about the recent diagnosis.
How are you feeling?

Anyhow in terms of treatment & VL clinically speaking most accept under 50 is undetectable even though lots of labs can be more accurate than that.  It can takes a few weeks to a good 6 months + to get there, 70 is so close it will be there next time you test. ;)

The studies into transmission the UD threshold for transmission was set at the higher virological failure threshold, so anything under 200 for 6 + months is considered UD in terms of transmission

Jim

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Re: VL below 200 or 50 copies/ml?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 10:18:52 am »
Thanks for the welcoming message, Ive been feeling great recently, this forum really helped me the first days I was diagnosed with HIV so, thank you.

Im not there yet but It's okay maybe the next month I will be UD.

Thank you for all the responses.

 


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