Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
November 17, 2019, 06:17:53 pm

Login with username, password and session length


Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 749268
  • Total Topics: 62903
  • Online Today: 257
  • Online Ever: 4912
  • (November 13, 2019, 02:56:14 am)
Users Online
Users: 1
Guests: 234
Total: 235

Welcome


Welcome to the POZ Community Forums, a round-the-clock discussion area for people with HIV/AIDS, their friends/family/caregivers, and others concerned about HIV/AIDS.  Click on the links below to browse our various forums; scroll down for a glance at the most recent posts; or join in the conversation yourself by registering on the left side of this page.

Privacy Warning:  Please realize that these forums are open to all, and are fully searchable via Google and other search engines. If you are HIV positive and disclose this in our forums, then it is almost the same thing as telling the whole world (or at least the World Wide Web). If this concerns you, then do not use a username or avatar that are self-identifying in any way. We do not allow the deletion of anything you post in these forums, so think before you post.

  • The information shared in these forums, by moderators and members, is designed to complement, not replace, the relationship between an individual and his/her own physician.

  • All members of these forums are, by default, not considered to be licensed medical providers. If otherwise, users must clearly define themselves as such.

  • Forums members must behave at all times with respect and honesty. Posting guidelines, including time-out and banning policies, have been established by the moderators of these forums. Click here for “Am I Infected?” posting guidelines. Click here for posting guidelines pertaining to all other POZ community forums.

  • We ask all forums members to provide references for health/medical/scientific information they provide, when it is not a personal experience being discussed. Please provide hyperlinks with full URLs or full citations of published works not available via the Internet. Additionally, all forums members must post information which are true and correct to their knowledge.

  • Product advertisement—including links; banners; editorial content; and clinical trial, study or survey participation—is strictly prohibited by forums members unless permission has been secured from POZ.

To change forums navigation language settings, click here (members only), Register now

Para cambiar sus preferencias de los foros en español, haz clic aquí (sólo miembros), Regístrate ahora

Finished Reading This? You can collapse this or any other box on this page by clicking the symbol in each box.

Author Topic: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody  (Read 2543 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline pergh

  • Member
  • Posts: 5
Hi there,

Is there any ways that i can get rid the HIV antibody? Can plasmapheresis does the job?

If it is possible, would it be dangerous if my body has no hiv antibody even when my VL is undetected and strong cd4 count?

For job purpose, i need to get tested negative... otherwise :'(

Please help me.

Thank you so much!

Offline Jim Allen

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 13,627
  • Twitter @JimAllenDublin
    • HIV Lessons
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 08:39:47 am »
Hiya

Look no drugs you are going to take or UD status will alter the fact you have HIV or prevent a reactive result on an Elisa test. HIV antibodies are for life and no medication or treatment will make them go away.

As for plasmapheresis no idea how you would have access to this, for a number of reasons I don't see this working it only filters certain antibodies but it would not completely remove them from your body, also regardless of UD viral blood load your body would still produces antibodies in reaction to the tissue and reservoirs HIV levels.

In short you would still test reactive

What kind of job is it that your applying for and are you sure that a reactive result would be a nogo for the employment?

Jim



HIV 101 - Everything you need to know
HIV 101
Transmission and Risks:
HIV Transmission and Risks
Read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
Read about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
Read about PEP and PrEP here
PEP and PrEP

Offline Jim Allen

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 13,627
  • Twitter @JimAllenDublin
    • HIV Lessons
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 08:57:22 am »
Look even the "Berlin patient" Timothy Brown had some reactive results post cure, negative DNA/RNA results and although decreasing over time post cure of HIV-specific Ab levels it was still reactive for quite some time.

So if even the only person ever to be cured still had reactive results long post the cure than its safe to say nothing you can do will even come close it this result.

I do hope you mange to get the job your applying for and again I wonder if you are sure a reactive result is an automatic turn down?

Jim

HIV 101 - Everything you need to know
HIV 101
Transmission and Risks:
HIV Transmission and Risks
Read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
Read about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
Read about PEP and PrEP here
PEP and PrEP

Offline lightalltheway

  • Member
  • Posts: 108
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 04:32:48 pm »
Hi,

As stated by Jim, antibodies last al life long, so as long as you are still alive, the antibodies are there and test for ELISA will be active no matter which generation or how many tests are conducted.

For job purposes, you may consider another truthful fact, that ELISA also can give a false positive results. Having said so, it will always give a false positive hence the need for another confirmatory test, which in your case can be the DNA which will be Undetectable.

Wishing you the best,
Prince

Offline pergh

  • Member
  • Posts: 5
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2018, 05:14:56 pm »
Look even the "Berlin patient" Timothy Brown had some reactive results post cure, negative DNA/RNA results and although decreasing over time post cure of HIV-specific Ab levels it was still reactive for quite some time.

So if even the only person ever to be cured still had reactive results long post the cure than its safe to say nothing you can do will even come close it this result.

I do hope you mange to get the job your applying for and again I wonder if you are sure a reactive result is an automatic turn down?

Jim

Hye Jim,

Yeah i'm pretty sure that if the result is positive, it is a nogo for me for this job.....

I have a job opportunity in singapore and im not a citizen of singapore hence need to apply for work permit it is compulsory to take hiv test.

It is my dream job. Ive been applying for years..... and now theres opportunity for me but...... so yeah, im desperate...

it seems that i have to just forget about my dream :'(

Thanks for your response! :)
« Last Edit: September 15, 2018, 05:20:44 pm by pergh »

Offline pergh

  • Member
  • Posts: 5
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2018, 05:20:08 pm »
Hi,

As stated by Jim, antibodies last al life long, so as long as you are still alive, the antibodies are there and test for ELISA will be active no matter which generation or how many tests are conducted.

For job purposes, you may consider another truthful fact, that ELISA also can give a false positive results. Having said so, it will always give a false positive hence the need for another confirmatory test, which in your case can be the DNA which will be Undetectable.

Wishing you the best,
Prince

Hi Prince,

So i declare myself that im not a hiv+ and insist them to do viral load test?

Im not sure whether they will accept that but anyway i think that is better than nothing.... ill try...

Thanks for your suggestion!

Offline Jim Allen

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 13,627
  • Twitter @JimAllenDublin
    • HIV Lessons
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2018, 05:41:09 pm »
Hye Jim,

Yeah i'm pretty sure that if the result is positive, it is a nogo for me for this job.....

I have a job opportunity in singapore and im not a citizen of singapore hence need to apply for work permit it is compulsory to take hiv test.

It is my dream job. Ive been applying for years..... and now theres opportunity for me but...... so yeah, im desperate...

it seems that i have to just forget about my dream :'(

Thanks for your response! :)

Sorry to hear that. You never know visa requirements can change, it was not that long ago that going to the USA as a person living with HIV was complicated, maybe one Singapore will relax things.

I do doubt the visa agency wil run an expensive RNA or DNA test over an application and odds are it wil stil show detected just too low to quantify

UD test results normal stil have a detectable for HIV but not quantifiable ". Meaning its detected just below the copies that the test can be measure, This is called undetectable Iabs , its not a totally accurate description I suppose

Jim
HIV 101 - Everything you need to know
HIV 101
Transmission and Risks:
HIV Transmission and Risks
Read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
Read about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
Read about PEP and PrEP here
PEP and PrEP

Offline Jackmydin

  • Member
  • Posts: 65
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2018, 07:26:54 am »
Hi my friend,

I'm sorry to hear your story. Especially it involved with job opportunities and your life dream. However I wish to share my story with you, as we share similar misfortunes.

I for one was first detected when I was applying for job permit in Singapore too. The immigration officer and HR of the company made it clear that I could not work in the country anymore. That was in year 2012 or 2013.

http://www.hivtravel.org/Default.aspx?CountryId=158&PageId=143

Maybe you can check from the link above and seek the info you need.

I wish you all the best. Whatever future career you seek, I hope you found the suitable job.

Take care.

Offline Mightysure

  • Member
  • Posts: 422
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 06:02:49 pm »
Well, while only certain antibodies last life long, I'm not sure if you'll be able to fool the test in any way.

Im sorry. I know its frustrating, but even for those whose active antibodies dissipate over time, it takes long time for this to occur.

Offline Mightysure

  • Member
  • Posts: 422
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2018, 06:06:44 pm »
And while I dont normally agree with defrauding any government, especially one as strict as Singapore, if this really means that much to you, I would do as someone suggested.
When the antibody teste comes back positive, ask for an RNA test. Not a DNA test, because your viral reservoir is compromised of DNA.

Hopefully the RNA test is used for confirmation as their standard protocol anyway.

Best of luck to you and keep us informed!

Offline hippo1010

  • Member
  • Posts: 15
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 11:50:55 pm »
I don't think that there's a way of cheating an HIV test, and if there was, I'm not sure that the best way of dealing with your job situation is to go that route.

I don't know where you are, but in my country, the jobs that require an HIV test are the ones where you might be exposed, or might expose others to any of the infectious body fluids. Hence, it will be extremely irresponsible to put other people at risk of infection simply because you seem unable to find a job that doesn't require an HIV test.

Another reason for that requisite might be due to the side effects of the medication. Some jobs require you to operate machinery, or to be 100% alert, and medication side effects sometimes doesn't allow that. Again, if you lie and are under HIV meds, you might be putting yourself and others at risk.

There was a thread just like this one in the Spanish section. I replied the same way. I'm not sure if you are the same person, but you might get better support if you give details about what kind of job requires you to get an HIV test.

It is a sad reality that we all, those living with HIV, have to deal with, not being qualified to do work that we could do if we wouldn't place ourselves or others at risk.

Offline pergh

  • Member
  • Posts: 5
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2018, 12:06:19 pm »
Hi my friend,

I'm sorry to hear your story. Especially it involved with job opportunities and your life dream. However I wish to share my story with you, as we share similar misfortunes.

I for one was first detected when I was applying for job permit in Singapore too. The immigration officer and HR of the company made it clear that I could not work in the country anymore. That was in year 2012 or 2013.

http://www.hivtravel.org/Default.aspx?CountryId=158&PageId=143

Maybe you can check from the link above and seek the info you need.

I wish you all the best. Whatever future career you seek, I hope you found the suitable job.

Take care.

Sorry to hear about that :'(

I dont know why singapore still restrict foreign workers with HIV. Of all countries i thought Singapore government shouldve come to an understanding that HIV treatment is highly effective nowadays. Putting such law will only promote stigmatization.

having hiv is one thing, losing my mother, my relationship, my pet, and now my job... sometimes im strong to face all of these, sometimes i give up... suicide thought always lingering in my mind... but i always told myself that i need to be strong...

Offline pergh

  • Member
  • Posts: 5
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2018, 12:20:17 pm »
I don't think that there's a way of cheating an HIV test, and if there was, I'm not sure that the best way of dealing with your job situation is to go that route.

I don't know where you are, but in my country, the jobs that require an HIV test are the ones where you might be exposed, or might expose others to any of the infectious body fluids. Hence, it will be extremely irresponsible to put other people at risk of infection simply because you seem unable to find a job that doesn't require an HIV test.

Another reason for that requisite might be due to the side effects of the medication. Some jobs require you to operate machinery, or to be 100% alert, and medication side effects sometimes doesn't allow that. Again, if you lie and are under HIV meds, you might be putting yourself and others at risk.

There was a thread just like this one in the Spanish section. I replied the same way. I'm not sure if you are the same person, but you might get better support if you give details about what kind of job requires you to get an HIV test.

It is a sad reality that we all, those living with HIV, have to deal with, not being qualified to do work that we could do if we wouldn't place ourselves or others at risk.

i will not cheat if i have a choice... this is something that will change my life...  fyi... to get a work permit in singapore, you need to get tested regardless what is the job type... for the job that im applying, i dont think im putty risk to others, as my adherence to my medicine is quite good, i achieved undetectable viral load in just 1 month of medical consumption, and my cd4 is stable...


Sorry to hear that. You never know visa requirements can change, it was not that long ago that going to the USA as a person living with HIV was complicated, maybe one Singapore will relax things.

I do doubt the visa agency wil run an expensive RNA or DNA test over an application and odds are it wil stil show detected just too low to quantify

UD test results normal stil have a detectable for HIV but not quantifiable ". Meaning its detected just below the copies that the test can be measure, This is called undetectable Iabs , its not a totally accurate description I suppose

Jim


Hi Jim,

May i know why do you think Plasmapheresis or Immunoadsorption or immunosuppression will not work?

I thought it will filter out all plasma in blood and inject the plasma from a donar....

Im wondering, let say if somehow i manage to filter out all antibody through whatever technique, under below condition:
1. UD VL
2. dormant virus still exists
3. HART treatment intake for both plasma recipient and donor

Will my immune system still create antibody?

I read that there are some small group of hiv+ people that tested negative after years of taking medicine, is it true? if yes, do you know anyone from this forum?

Thank you!

Offline Jim Allen

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 13,627
  • Twitter @JimAllenDublin
    • HIV Lessons
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2018, 12:36:09 pm »
No matter what you do you will still test positive. Your body would still produces antibodies in reaction to the tissue and reservoirs HIV levels.

UD blood levels with AVR's does not change this, removing the plasma and filtering does not change this and besides that you don't filter the entire body blood supply either, you can't donor replace your entire blood supply and run down the road quickly for a hiv test to collect a false negative either etc etc etc

Even if you take the extreme once only so far cured guy still had reactive results for a good while.

Look even the "Berlin patient" Timothy Brown had some reactive results post cure, negative DNA/RNA results and although decreasing over time post cure of HIV-specific Ab levels it was still reactive for quite some time.

So if even the only person ever to be cured still had reactive results long post the cure than its safe to say nothing you can do will even come close it this result.

I do hope you mange to get the job your applying for and again I wonder if you are sure a reactive result is an automatic turn down?

Jim


I wish you well but thinking up extreme ways to falsely HIV tests is not only wishful thinking and a waste of your time but its also probably borderline attempted fraud / criminal if you attempt it or at least were getting into speculation close to it

Jim
HIV 101 - Everything you need to know
HIV 101
Transmission and Risks:
HIV Transmission and Risks
Read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
Read about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
Read about PEP and PrEP here
PEP and PrEP

Offline CaveyUK

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • Posts: 1,635
Re: Please someone, is there any method that can get rid of hiv antibody
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2018, 07:18:35 pm »
Unless you have an identical twin, I can't see any way of getting around the situation.

Even if you did, the whole thing is fraught with difficulty once you are there, especially if you had a need for medical attention due to your condition.

I'm not in the least bit surprised that Singapore is one of the countries that takes a hard line. They are not known for being particularly forward thinking or progressive in many ways, including draconian laws when it comes to sexual preference or expression.

If asia is the direction you want to head, there are countries where it isn't a problem but I'd probably strike Singapore from your list, just as I'd strike many countries in the middle-east off. Just not worth the risk.
HIV - Basics
HIV 101
You can read more about Transmission and Risks here:
HIV Transmission and Risks
You can read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
You can read more about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read more about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
You can read more about PEP and PrEP here:
PEP and PrEP

 


Terms of Membership for these forums
 

© 2019 Smart + Strong. All Rights Reserved.   terms of use and your privacy
Smart + Strong® is a registered trademark of CDM Publishing, LLC.