Did " real " penetration occurred?

[jaykarrahul2122]

Hello.

My question revolves around dipping.

I met with this guy and we kissed and I sucked his nipples. No BJS. Then I started rubbing my penis ( WITHOUT CONDON)with his ass. Now I have learnt from reading your previous posts and from other credible sources like ASHA, TheBody, MEDHELP, AIDS Vancouver that all these activities carry negligible to zero risk and that if someone has engaged in only such an exposure, there is no special need for testing PROVIDED THERE WAS NO PENRTRATION DURING FROTTAGE (My penis to his anus).

Look, I'm a virgin and am very very cautious regarding HIV as I'm a teen. I rubbed my dick around his arse very cautiously and making sure that my penis head does not even touches his hole. I asked him after the exposure that if any penetration occurred and he said " off course not ".

QUESTION: Do you get to know when you have penetrated someone? Does it hurt? Because I'm sure that I tried my best to not penetrate him and there was no pain.

The reason I'm asking this stupid question is because after a week , my temperature rose to 100.5 and I got a pretty bad sore throat and my muscles have started to ache. These are ALL ARS symptoms. Right now I'm sitting at my doctor's clinic.

Do they imply that I might have penetrated him and could have possibley gotten the virus?

Guys please help me. I did this only because I learnt from you that FROTTAGE is no risk. But now I'm lost.

[Jim Allen]

I met with this guy and we kissed and I sucked his nipples. No BJS. Then I started rubbing my penis ( WITHOUT CONDON)with his ass. Now I have learnt from reading your previous posts and from other credible sources like ASHA, TheBody, MEDHELP, AIDS Vancouver that all these activities carry negligible to zero risk and that if someone has engaged in only such an exposure, there is no special need for testing PROVIDED THERE WAS NO PENRTRATION DURING FROTTAGE (My penis to his anus).

Correction simply no HIV risk.  HIV is sexually only transmitted inside the confides of the human body, frottage (rubbing against) is no HIV concern and it meets none of the biological conditions needed for acquiring HIV.

PROVIDED THERE WAS NO PENRTRATION DURING FROTTAGE

If you penetrated its no longer frottage and simply moves into unprotected intercourse = Meets all the required biological conditions for acquiring HIV

QUESTION: Do you get to know when you have penetrated someone? Does it hurt? Because I'm sure that I tried my best to not penetrate him and there was no pain.

If you penetrated him, you would know about it without doubt. Depending on the person, if you use lube and the person is relaxed there is no reason why it should hurt them.

my temperature rose to 100.5 and I got a pretty bad sore throat and my muscles have started to ache.

Good to hear you are seeing a doctor, but nothing you mentioned is HIV specific and some of it simply is never HIV related. As you had no exposure, treat whatever is making you sick and stop focusing on HIV.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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[Jim Allen]

End of the day this post is of your is all fears and, few facts.

If you believe you somehow without either of you noticing it, fucked him well than by all means test for peace of mind at 6 weeks and 13 weeks post incident.

My two cents is you have an irrational fear, or guilt perhaps? you have obviously  have been reading about symptoms to fueling your fears when the reals facts are most initially have none, and then you picked up a common bug like a cold or whatever sometime after the encounter and, are now overthinking things and trying to correlate the two events when there is no connection, end of the day simply fact remains no penetration means you simply had no HIV risk.

Jim 

[jaykarrahul2122]

Thank you so much Jim. That really helped. Yes definitely, i did not penetrate him. As you said, if i had done, i would have known it.

My doc has prescribed some meds and says that i should be fine in 2-3 days. I hope so.

Anyway, i'll go for a 4th Gen HIV test after 6 weeks. My doc says it is conclusive after 6 weeks.

I'll keep you updated. Thank you once again to curb my irrational fears.

[Jim Allen]

Hiya

Look you have no reason to test and I'm not going to pretend what you posted is a risk as it would be a disservice to the millions living with HIV.

Testing is for peace of mind only, in this case and a waste of resources, instead I urge you to grow up and learn how hiv is transmitted and how to protect yourself instead of giving in to irrational fears

Use condoms for any intercourse, consider PrEP as additional layer of protection against HIV and as a sexually active adult remember to test for easier to transmit STIs and HIV at least yearly out of standard routine.

If you ever do have a real exposure test at 6 weeks and again at 13 weeks

Jim

[jaykarrahul2122]

Hello. This is a very silly question but I just needed some reassurance :/

So I got this cucumber and put a condom on it. Then I masturbated with it ( i.e put it in my arse ). After a few minutes, it got torn. And I stopped immediately.

Then after 3-4 days, my back and my muscles started to ache and given the hypochondriac I am, I related these symptoms with seroconversion.

So yeah, Am I correct in judging that I had 0 risk in this situation? That you cannot get HIV even if you put a bare cucumber ( without condom ) inside you?

Thanks!

[Jim Allen]

Hiya

You can't catch human immunodeficiency virus from plants, fruits or vegetables.
Its only a concern if you are having unprotected sex with humans

Also buy condom safe lubricant, use plenty of it and buy a sex toy designed to be safe for this type of play.  This to reduce the risk of hurting yourself or having objects break off inside you or getting stuck ...

Jim