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Offline Anxious always anxious

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Another cunnilingus scare
« on: March 28, 2017, 05:06:07 pm »
My story as follows. I'm a 30 something heterosexual male living in Oz , last tested for full suite of STD's including HIV 8 months ago, all clear. No risk scenarios since then until...

12 days ago I picked up a female of unknown hiv status at a bar (well actually in the bar toilets). Kissing, followed by me fingering her, followed by me going down on her while fingering her. Whole episode lasted 10 minutes and my pants stayed on the whole time (she didn't touch me).

Lots of vaginal secretions, no evidence of menstruating, and my oral hygiene pretty good (occasional bleeding gums, no ulcers at the time, probably brushed 6 hours earlier, and then 30 minutes after encounter). I was drunk and under the influence of illicit substances (hence the pants on, I was numb from the waste down)...

I'm an anxious person anyway, and now I'm convinced of symptoms - specifically what I think is minor thrush (white tongue, some other tongue discolouration, sinus headache, and as of this morning painless splotch on head of penis). Headaches from 5 days after incident, tongue issues about 9 days after, penis this morning).

Appreciate you don't comment on symptoms but anxiety getting the better of me.  In all reality will probably stress unless tested,  but if I could get your opinions on risk and whether testing over this incident warranted it would be greatly appreciated - particularly as I've never had thrush to my knowledge (indicator of weakened immune from seroconversion??). As you can appreciate, nipping off to the toilet every 30 minutes to check tongue, genitals and body for rash, plus reading medical papers and blogs on work time for the next 3 months is not healthy. Therapy also being considered...

Thanks in advance guys...I think

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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2017, 05:23:13 pm »
Hi

So yeah checking your genitals every 30 mins might be fun but could end up with you being arrested if someone gets the wrong idea.  ;)

Okay look kidding aside, stop stressing and worrying! Its doing you no good whatsoever and will make you sick. I hope you don't stress out from sex each time like this its not good.

Firstly there has simply never been a documented case of HIV transmission via fingering, you will not be the first.  As for the cunnilingus, see the fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, this is a lubricating fluid and does not have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are not infectious fluids.

Keep in mind that HIV firstly needs to be present for it to be a risk and in sufficient quantity for it to transmit, it also than needs an effective route, and it must also reach cells which are susceptible to infection.  Simple Cunnilingus does not meet the biological requirements.

All I can tell you is calm down and move on with your life, test as normal at least yearly for STI & HIV as routine.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as Ďsafeí in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

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Kind regards

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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2017, 05:35:53 pm »
Thanks Jim, kind of what I expected but nice to read anyway.

It's bizarre, in my 20's I put myself in riskier situations quite regularly, as I'm getting older I'm much more careful (would never have casual unprotected sex) and always thought receiving blowjobs/giving cunnilingus not an HIV risk, although risk for other STDs), but for some reason I'm now stressing about this cunnilingus episode.  No authority ever rules oral risk out completely (probably a liability thing), and as posters can no doubt relate, everyone thinks they'll be that 1 in 10,000/100,000/world first etc.

So just to clarify (and promise I won't ask again) this specific risk incredibly close to zero and the 'white tongue' thing not something I need to follow up HIV testing wise?

And touching genitals seriously harms job progression prospects, well at least at my work.


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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2017, 05:49:32 pm »
And touching genitals seriously harms job progression prospects, well at least at my work.

It does in most jobs to be fair -  ;D

Look oral risks vs cunnilingus. Problem is oral covers a number of sins, kissing is oral and is not a risk. However if you had said it was a penis in you mouth (Also oral) I would have told you not to panic and to test as normal despite it being a theoretical risk if you had gaping wounds in your head. Reason is semen is a fluid that is infectious and giving a BJ means you have contact, still no panic needed.

See HIV is only found at infectious levels in a very few fluids and needs a direct route or a route that remains inside the confides of the human body not exposed. Cunnilingus and the fluid is not one of them and is very different from other oral risks as I explained in my post above, anyhow look we can't comment on what others say or post, what you posted simply biologically does not meet the requirements for HIV transmission.

As for the thrush, both HIV-positive and HIV-negative people can develop candidiasis. Most people do have an overgrowth at some stage during their lives, treat it and move on.

Hope you feel better soon.

Jim 

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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2017, 05:09:45 pm »
Hi team, really hate being 'that guy that keeps posting.' I was doing better but seem to have slipped into anxiety mode last 24 hours. Been doing lots of reading regarding stats in Australia and everything in my favour but convinced I've got mild symptoms. Question as follows, regardless of perceived symptoms, should I just ignore and really not stress at all about the cunnilingus incident, or rather keep an eye on them and use them to determine whether I get tested for this specific incident.

Once again, sorry for the hassle, on the upside for the moderators I've used up my 3 posts now...

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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2017, 05:14:22 pm »
If you are sick see a doctor, it is not HIV from the incident posted as HIV is not transmitted in that manner.

You should as an sexually active adult be testing regularly, so test as you normally would. No need to specifically test as you had no HIV risk.

I have voiced concerns about what Australia publishes before, ill just close on a polite note that we don't comment on rubbish.  ;)

Jim

 
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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2018, 10:32:46 pm »
Hey all, back again....if nothing else at least Iíve contributed some funds to this service.

Sooo, I ended up testing after my previous incident (negative), as well as 2 other times post other Ďlow/no riskí encounters. Iíve also undertaken CBT sessions with various psychs as itís clear I have an HIV phobia. In all ive tested 5 times in 2 years, most recent being 2 months ago 😔

Regardless, Iím looking for some more written reassurance regarding my latest incident - specifically me performing unprotected cunnilingus (again) last night. No other risk exposures (no vaginal, no anal sex, no IV drug use). Nothing out of the ordinary (she wasnít menstruating, no meth mouth), lasted for about 30 minutes.

Iím going to STD clinic tomorrow to ask for PEP. Should end up being 36 hrs after exposure although suspect they might deny me based on the low risk.

Assuming however I get prescribed PEP, chance if acquiring HIV from this incident very low correct based on 36 hr window?

Thanks in advance guys and Happy New Year 🥳






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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2019, 03:04:40 am »
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Regardless, Iím looking for some more written reassurance regarding my latest incident - specifically me performing unprotected cunnilingus (again) last night. No other risk exposures (no vaginal, no anal sex, no IV drug use). Nothing out of the ordinary (she wasnít menstruating, no meth mouth), lasted for about 30 minutes.

We have discussed this activity before, and the same as last time - You had no HIV risk from this. Soif this was the one & only sexual encounter you had since last testing than, you simply don't have HIV

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As for the cunnilingus, see the fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, this is a lubricating fluid and does not have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are not infectious fluids.

Keep in mind that HIV firstly needs to be present for it to be a risk and in sufficient quantity for it to transmit, it also than needs an effective route, and it must also reach cells which are susceptible to infection.  Simple Cunnilingus does not meet the biological requirements.

All I can tell you is calm down and move on with your life


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Iím going to STD clinic tomorrow to ask for PEP. Should end up being 36 hrs after exposure although suspect they might deny me based on the low risk.

Assuming however I get prescribed PEP, chance if acquiring HIV from this incident very low correct based on 36 hr window?

I truly hope they don't give you PEP as you had no low risk, you simply had no exposure and so no PEP is warranted, the reality is PEP is over prescribed as peace of mind for no risks just because of the mental stress patients present with, however PEP and testing over nothing does not resolve the issue or help you move forward.

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Sooo, I ended up testing after my previous incident (negative), as well as 2 other times post other Ďlow/no riskí encounters. Iíve also undertaken CBT sessions with various psychs as itís clear I have an HIV phobia. In all ive tested 5 times in 2 years, most recent being 2 months ago 😔

I am truly sorry to hear that this irrational phobia continues, glad however to hear you are seeking help for this, however instead of running out and taking PEP and testing and bothering the STI clinic over nothing at all, I would suggest instead seeing a qualified psychiatrist/therapist to further help you learn to cope with your irrational fears & thoughts.

So your assessment in short is the same as last time, move on with your life.

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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2019, 03:09:57 am »
Thanks for the prompt response Jim, much appreciated

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Re: Another cunnilingus scare
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2019, 03:16:00 am »
You're welcome
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