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Offline terrymoore

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"poppers" - dangerous?
« on: September 04, 2015, 12:18:24 pm »
Do poppers adversely affect the immune system? Are they more dangerous for poz people? Just wondering.

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2015, 12:30:10 pm »
I would think sniffing chemicals like that is no better or worse HIV positive or not.
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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2015, 01:07:18 pm »
I'm no doctor but I wouldn't think they are dangerous. Worst case if you continuously sniffed them without stopping they might make you dizzy or lightheaded or maybe if you had some kind of blood pressure or heart problem. But never ever heard of anyone having problems with them.
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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2015, 02:17:40 pm »
If you do them for hours you can get a popper nose burn.  You can also get your heart racing from them.  They may also make you throw up or give you headaches.  They can't be good for you, I would think they may even cause cancer in the long run, but if used sporadically for sex it not a dangerous hard drug.
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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 02:35:54 pm »
I haven't done poppers since the 80s
I'm sure now my head would explode !
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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2015, 02:43:21 pm »
I am sure there have been studies posted here in the past, addressing this issue.  I thought they said no indication of issues with meds and CD4 counts.  But, don't hold me to that.  I will have to search, when I have more time. 

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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2015, 02:52:25 pm »
Poppers can cause serious issues if you have any type of blood pressure or heart issue.  Other than that, they seem somewhat benign.  Here's AIDSMAP listing: http://www.aidsmap.com/Poppers/page/1322957

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2015, 03:55:44 pm »
Poppers can cause serious issues if you have any type of blood pressure or heart issue.  Other than that, they seem somewhat benign.  Here's AIDSMAP listing: http://www.aidsmap.com/Poppers/page/1322957

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When I first heard poppers increased risk for bottoms being infected, I remember wondering how.  As the link points out, it's the increased blood flow-- which makes sense. 

Here is an study article about poppers (especially heavy use) increasing heart disease and cancer, in gay positive and negative men.  Doesn't discuss immune function.  In this study, I still wonder how poppers can be isolated, when there was smoking, cocaine use, meth, etc.  They also break down cancer diagnoses in poz and neg groups.  As we know, HIV already puts you at higher risk for many cancers.  It would be interesting to see further studies, since poppers are very popular.  Although, I am terrible at deciphering studies. 

http://natap.org/2014/CROI/croi_73.htm

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2015, 05:48:00 pm »
Im an ex abuser of all things intoxicating so I am not on a high horse here but I think it’s a no brainer that poppers are not good for you and we do not need a study to tell us what common sense should. The key to life is moderation no matter what your poison is.

Edited to add that Ted’s link is helpful so I was not dissing his post.
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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 08:09:31 pm »
we do not need a study to tell us what common sense should.
caveat emptor: sniffing chemicals up your nose is quite possibly harmful ;)
of course it might also be quite exhilarating too, so there you go. LOL but I've been doing poppers (in moderation) for 3.5 decades so whaddda I know? LOL (speaking of which, it's about time for me to buy another bottle)

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 08:12:42 pm »
I will never use poppers again unless I am involved in a whorerrific situation .
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 09:25:51 pm »
That could happen.....
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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 10:01:58 pm »
I've heard of this stuff years ago growing up in NY, we use to call it Rush, didn't know this is still out there.. Here's what this website says about it..

What are the risks of using poppers?

Taking poppers is potentially dangerous for anyone with heart problems, anaemia or glaucoma (an eye disease).

Here’s what poppers can do to you.

They can cause your blood pressure to drop to a dangerous level. So, you shouldn’t take them if you have problems with your blood pressure, are on any blood pressure medication, or if you are taking Viagra.
 
You can die due to injury to red blood cells and reduced oxygen supply to vital organs.
 
You may lose consciousness and could die through choking on your vomit. Using poppers with alcohol can increase this risk.
Poppers are linked with risky sexual behaviour and may lead to catching a sexually transmitted disease.
They can burn your skin on contact and can kill you if you swallow them.
 
They're highly flammable.
 
They can cause nausea, headache, and disorientation. Poppers are usually sniffed from the bottle. Some people prefer to dip a cigarette into the popper bottle and inhale rather than sniff straight from the bottle.
 
Fatal ‘sudden sniffing death syndrome’ has been reported due to development of an abnormal heart rhythm when taking poppers.
There are a number of reports in recent years of cases of temporary and permanent loss of vision in users of poppers. This problem is referred to as ‘poppers maculopathy’. If you are experiencing problems with your eyesight after having used poppers, we would strongly advise you get medical advice
Mixing with alcohol

Mixing poppers with alcohol can increase the risk of reducing the oxygen supply to vital organs, unconsciousness and death


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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2015, 12:59:12 am »
They're highly flammable.
hell yeah!
One time (a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away), a friend took mine while we were on the dance floor. He was smoking, and when he sloshed the poppers onto his hands, it caught on fire. Like an alcohol flame, blue. As he tried flinging the fire off his hands, tiny droplets of flames flung out across the dance floor. I will leave it to your imagination to envision the rush from the dance floor as my friend literally turned into a big ol' "flaming queen".  :o

He was lucky and only had some mild burns on one hand; but we got a great story out of the event and we learned the lesson that poppers really are quiet flammable.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2015, 11:08:42 am »
Poppers! mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2015, 06:17:51 pm »
This is a timely topic, for me, as I've been wanting some after a long (many years) abstinence. I had read also that the original formula, which the government banned, was actually not as bad for you as what the ban forced the companies to switch to. So the government made the situation worse, not better. I've also read that while you cannot make or sell them in the US legally, you can buy and own them legally. Lastly, I've also read that the original formula is available from online vendors in Europe. France was mentioned for sure, not sure where else.

Keep in mind, I read these things on the Internet and we all know that they can't put anything false on the Internet. ;)
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2015, 06:49:28 pm »
Company’s sell poppers here as room deodorizers or video head cleaner to get past the ban .
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2015, 07:22:28 pm »
I will never use poppers again unless I am involved in a whorerrific situation .

Which seems to happen to me quite often!  :P
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2015, 09:19:00 pm »
Quote
This is a timely topic, for me, as I've been wanting some after a long (many years) abstinence.

I am glad that this topic helped someone other than me. Honestly i have felt a bit dumb/guilty for posting this q in this forum. Obviously exposing the body to a chemical can't be healthy, so why would i ask? Am i looking for someone's nod of approval? I don't know why, but i always get a sense of guilt whenever i buy and then use them. As if i am still increasing my risks of putting my self in harms way by using them and only for selfish reasons, which will eventually burden those who care for me. So normally i end up throwing out the bottle after one or 2 uses (which is proving to be costly considering they are officially illegal in the LOS although openly sold on Craigslist or on the street - more guilt... :-\). I never imagined that others would have the same questions and concerns that i did.

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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2015, 10:24:29 pm »
So normally i end up throwing out the bottle after one or 2 uses
argh! Don't you know you're supposed to check here and see who is in need.  ;)
I'm sure Drew or I would be happy to make shipping arrangements. LOL   8)
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2015, 02:08:43 am »
Back in the early eighties before a viral cause of AIDS was established there were a whole slew of theories going around as to why gay men had depressed immune systems. Poppers, too much semen, CMV were all 'cause' at various times.

So poppers still get a bad rap as immune suppressants.

just don't use them and viagra together.

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2015, 05:47:06 am »
My two cents on all the above.

1) Konkrypton - French poppers suck. The ingredients allowed don't have the effect desired.

2) Europeans order their poppers mostly through England, Netherlands and Austria.

3) Terrymoore - I would suggest you not feel guilty about poppers.  Since you are not interested in being a poppers whore, just have fun with them when you use them.

4) Everything in moderation. And if you can be a moderate user of drugs and alcohol, enjoy them!  Try to get the best alcohol and drugs available.  So if a sniff of poppers leaves you disgusted, whereas other times you enjoy them, that means you got yourself some shitty poppers. 

5) Get small bottles at least a few times and save the small bottles, if you prefer to buy larger bottles for economy.  Run them through a hot wash and transfer the poppers from the larger bottle to small bottles. 1 large can fill 3 small.  Put away 2 in the fridge and use one small bottle.  Poppers mostly go off in large bottles way before they are used up, because there is too much air in the large bottle.

6) Try what the fist bottoms do.  Get a glass vitamin pill bottle. Put in a few cotton balls or better, a makeup remover pad.  Drop a few drops of poppers on and cap the bottle. Use this instead of the liquid.  Also helpful to give to sloppy bottoms and novices - avoiding spills, burned noses, etc.

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2015, 05:56:26 am »
@terrymoore, I've lived long enough to learn that if I have a question about something, there are at least 5 other people I know who have the same question. So posting in the forums is almost always helpful to not just you, but a few other folks as well.

As for feeling guilty, I look at it as risk reduction in my own case. I used to use hard drugs and still have them mixed up in my sexual fantasies. I doubt I'll ever separate the two in my mind, but I CAN choose to do the lesser of two evils. The poppers satisfy my craving for "sex, drugs, and rock n' roll," making it less likely I'll do something more harmful.  Sometimes we don't get any good choices, and have to pick the one that does the least harm.

@mecch - I have never used the French poppers, just was relaying what I had read recently.
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2015, 12:28:51 pm »
I'd say they're ok in moderation, which could be difficult if you're in an orgy or frequenting a bookstore lol. They really make any gag reflex magically disappear. They really work wonders for a bottom who's getting pounded, & it seems a lot more tops now enjoy them too. I used to do them quite a bit when I'd hit up the bookstores & basically just looking to suck dick, they work wonders for that  ;) I wouldn't use them with viagra or cialis, might wreak havoc on the blood pressure. I never used them really heavily, just those little occasions like a gangbang or hitting up a bookstore to suck some massively hung married dicks. I found they made me feel flushed at times & didn't like how I felt afterwards so I basically quit using them when I began mostly topping. So I don't knock them, I'd ask a doctor, but I'd say everything in moderation.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2015, 04:26:05 pm »
argh! Don't you know you're supposed to check here and see who is in need.  ;)
I'm sure Drew or I would be happy to make shipping arrangements. LOL   8)

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2015, 12:47:59 am »
@Leatherman - LOL! Sorry! I will let you know next time!! :-)
@harleymc - yes, i believe it was those articles that i read that lead o my initial question. That lead to a psychological chain reaction of guilt :-). Great to know it was all BS!
@mecch - great advice! Will try that. Just to be clear re suggestion #6 - it must be a GLASS bottle? I guess plastic is dangerous?
@konkrypton - thank you. I guess i am not alone at sea! :-
@RobbyR - sound advice sir!
@drewm - see answer to Leatherman! :-)

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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2015, 09:49:03 am »
I am not a chemist but have never seen poppers sold in plastic bottle and so would never put a cotton wad soaked with popper in plastic. Just seems sort of dumb and dangerous, no?
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2015, 05:49:20 am »
fyi tried these the other day after a long time of not using them (last time was pre-Dx). Well, i guess my body has changed because i felt like crap afterwards and for the next day - like a hang-over. Headache and vision was affected. And my vision is still affected - i sort of see yellow dots - like when staring into a light-bulb. It is not severe, but it is annoying. My conclusion - no more poppers for me! (and sorry Leatherman - i through out another bottle! :-) ).

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2015, 03:44:30 pm »
So I've seen people say the problem with poppers and E.D. drugs is that both can dangerously lower bp.  Is that right?  Because, both poppers and Viagra raised my blood pressure...pounding head(s).  Does it boost and then cause a lowering?  Or, did they mean can dangerously RAISE bp?

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Actually, I read earlier in this thread the thing about bp and it didn't mention E.D. drugs-- just poppers themselves.  Still, do they raise and then lower bp more than your normal bp?
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2015, 04:30:37 pm »
I don't know ...........
Just remember hearing my heart pounding in my ears,
that was more than twenty five years ago.
as I said , now I would just explode !!!
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2015, 04:44:53 pm »
They are definitely not safe to take with any ED drugs like Viagra or Cialis. Not sure what the interaction is there, but I've heard and seen repeatedly that you NEVER want to combine those. I haven't used poppers in several years anyway, they never did much for me personally. I didn't like how they made me feel. They tended to make me feel light headed and get overheated and feel like my heart was racing. They seem to remove any gag reflex at all which is probably why so many rely on them for sucking cock, unless you're someone who gets enough practice to where you don't have a gag reflex in which case, party on  ;)  A lot of bottoms seem to like them too like if you're particularly tight and taking a very big cock, it takes the edge off the discomfort a bit. But those are all in hookup scenarios lol. I doubt I'd ever use them again, I've never actually asked my doctor if they're safe or not, curious what she'd say. An older friend told me once that way back people used poppers not for sex situations but like if you were feeling faint or something you took a hit or two and it pepped you right up. If you've read Lee Tannen's book, "Life with Lucy", which is a great read, he mentioned one time where Lucy took a hit of something like poppers he asked her why and she said she liked how it felt. Who knew. Lol.
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« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2015, 12:09:39 am »
A lot of bottoms seem to like them too
FYI: tops like 'em too  8)

curious what she'd say.
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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2015, 03:52:19 pm »
Do poppers adversely affect the immune system? Are they more dangerous for poz people? Just wondering.

It's very unlikely you will suffer direct damage from using a popper, BUT
poppers come with a very bad lifestyle.
Drug abuse, unsafe sex, rough sex, dumb decisions.
It really affects your brain temporarily and if you take a big sniff, 5 seconds later you will be saying "oh sure don't use a condom, just ram it right in".

I highly highly recommend NEVER EVER using poppers. They're gross.

Last time I came in contact with one, I had a guy over who really liked them. I was completely sober for the first time while watching someone else high on a popper. It was sad to see someone get so weird and drugged up, like a mini GHB overdose. It completely turned me off and after watching him writhe on the couch for a bit I gave him some water and asked him to leave.

Having said that, NEVER use poppers when you're drinking alcohol.
The one and only time I did I threw up all over the place. It was horrible.
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2015, 04:04:51 pm »
Just a reminder … moonlight can only post in his just tested poz thread and wont be able to reply here so you popper lovers go easy on the guy who cant reply LOL . Drew and Laeatherman … you know who you are  ;)
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Offline drewm

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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2015, 07:20:54 pm »
It's very unlikely you will suffer direct damage from using a popper, BUT
poppers come with a very bad lifestyle.
Drug abuse, unsafe sex, rough sex, dumb decisions.
It really affects your brain temporarily and if you take a big sniff, 5 seconds later you will be saying "oh sure don't use a condom, just ram it right in".

I highly highly recommend NEVER EVER using poppers. They're gross.

Last time I came in contact with one, I had a guy over who really liked them. I was completely sober for the first time while watching someone else high on a popper. It was sad to see someone get so weird and drugged up, like a mini GHB overdose. It completely turned me off and after watching him writhe on the couch for a bit I gave him some water and asked him to leave.

Having said that, NEVER use poppers when you're drinking alcohol.
The one and only time I did I threw up all over the place. It was horrible.

First, I promise to be nice Jeff  ;)

This poster obviously has an aversion to poppers. I have been using poppers for 30 years. I have never witnessed anyone "writhing" on poppers. Also, I have done GHB and can assure you that poppers are NOTHING like GHB. GHB is an awesome high that will kill you before you know it. Again, GHB is NOTHING like poppers.

http://www.streetdrugs.org/html%20files/GHB.html

http://www.treatment4addiction.com/drugs/inhalants/poppers/

I highly highly recommend that everyone make decisions for themselves based on what suits their individual fancy.
Diagnosed in  May of 2010 with teh AIDS.

PCP Pneumonia . CD4 8 . VL 500,000

TRIUMEQ - VALTREX -  FLUOXETINE - FENOFIBRATE - PRAVASTATIN - CIALIS


Numbers consistent since 12/2010 - VL has remained undetectable and CD4 is anywhere from 275-325

Offline Jmarksto

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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2015, 12:25:30 am »
at the risk of being put in the same category as those "popper lovers"......


I asked my doc about poppers and he was pretty nonchalant about them - I thought he would be adamantly against them, but wasn't too concerned about them at all. Where do you get the ones that make you writhe??? 
03/15/12 Negative
06/15/12 Positive
07/11/12 CD4 790          VL 4,000
08/06/12 CD4 816/38%   VL 49,300
08/20/12 Started Complera
11/06/12 CD4   819/41% VL 38
02/11/13 CD4   935/41% VL UD
06/06/13 CD4   816/41% VL UD
10/28/13 CD4 1131/45% VL 25
02/25/14 CD4   792/37% VL UD
07/09/14 CD4 1004/39% VL UD
11/03/14 CD4   711/34% VL UD
03/13/15 CD4   833/36% VL UD
04/??/15 Truvada & Tivicay
06/01/15 CD4 1100/50% VL UD
10/16/15 CD4   826/43% VL UD
??/??/2017 Descov & Tivicay
2017 VL UD, CD4 stable around 850
2018 VL UD, CD4 stable around 850

Offline Waya

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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2015, 06:48:10 am »
The bar I use to frequent back in the 80's and 90's use to have a huge display of poppers, everyone called it Rush. Walked in one night, the spot was empty. I ask where it was...you haven't heard using Rush is the cause of HIV/AIDS...I remember verbal say bull****, all eyes on me. Back then you where extremely careful as to who knew. Thing is, when I tested POZ I didn't know what it was or anything about it.

Something I have personal noticed with myself and spoke to my Dr about, when I use it, my CD4 count drops. Robert, my doc at the time, said "it deprives your body of oxygen, of course it's going to drop fool, imagine everything else that is damaged!" Then we got into a convo about brands we liked best and price since a local adult store closed, both agreeing the original formula was the best...
I have a friend that died from his heart exploding due to poppers...
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 06:50:36 am by Waya »
Tested POZ March/April 1986, Contracted Thanksgiving 1985.
Current meds none (First appointment w new dr Nov 11, 2015 to restart after losing 2 dr's, 1 from insurance issue, 1 died)
Current cd4 count down to 250, vl-?? (Hospital 4 pcp, dr said no reason to test yet, will do after release, so Nov. 11. They where more concerned getting everything working after life support)

Offline mecch

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Re: "poppers" - dangerous?
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2015, 06:34:09 pm »
at the risk of being put in the same category as those "popper lovers"......


I asked my doc about poppers and he was pretty nonchalant about them - I thought he would be adamantly against them, but wasn't too concerned about them at all. Where do you get the ones that make you writhe???

I have had multiple docs say no big whoop, as well.
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