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Offline Danneedshelp

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Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« on: June 28, 2018, 03:34:01 pm »
Hey, thank you so much for providing useful answers to people like me.

I was in a gay club in Paris yesterday night, and there was cruising area in the club, so i went in. I started making out with a guy, before doing so i asked his name and status and other information. Given the fact that i got recently tested all negative, i didn't want to do anything stupid. So we kissed and he wanted me to give him blowjob but i didn't, but he started sucking me. Then we got into a dark area. we played it safe. We were just jerking and then he came on the floor of course. And then i was about to cum too, suddenly i felt a hand touching my anus. Then all of a sudden, someone put his penis into my anus 4 or 5 times. (about 15 seconds or so) I don't think it's fully entered, felt more like just the head of the penis or more than the head. And then i came on the floor and left. Then later i realized that the area that we were standing was the glory hole area. So i think the guy literally penetrated me while standing on the other side of the wall. When the penis entered, there was no pain, it was smooth, because later i found out that there was a lot of lube up in my anus.

I don't think he ejaculated inside my anus. But there might have been pre-cum. People say that it's low risk and normally would be ok. But i also read that there were guys like me who got HIV from seconds of unprotected anal sex.

I am now worried as sick. What should i do?

I'm sure that I'll go get tested in 6 weeks time in a lab, but i would like to know your opinions on this episode. This is my first unprotected anal intercourse. Usually i don't get into intimate contact with strangers. But it was just this one night i lost my mind.

Thank you so much in advance for your answers.

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Re: Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2018, 03:51:17 pm »
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I started making out with a guy, before doing so i asked his name and status and other information

Marital status... because asking about his hiv status would be totally fucking irrelevant.

Long story short you engaged in unprotected intercourse. That's a real world risk , test at 6 weeks and 13 weeks post exposure for a conclusive result and test for easier to transmit STIs whilst you are at it.

Going forward use condoms for any intercourse and consider PrEP as additional layer of protection against HIV.

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Re: Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2018, 04:17:08 pm »
Thank you so much for your quick reply.

2 days since this exposure, i went to the hospital here in paris. They sent me to the infected diseases sector. They immediately got me an appointment with a doctor specialized in HIV & AIDS area.

I told him what happened. He then asked me if i knew the guy behind me who penetrated me without condom, i said i didn't know him at all. And then he asked me if the penis fully entered my anus, i said that it was the head of his penis or more than the head but not the full penis. Then he asked me if there was ejaculation. I said no ejaculation, but probably pre-cum. Then the doctor said that there was no risk in my situation. It wasn't 15 minutes. It was only 15-20 seconds and no ejaculation. Then he gave me a prescription to get tested in 6 weeks. And he refused to give me PEP.

But in your reply, you said that i have a real world risk. So i'm confused.

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Re: Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2018, 04:22:44 pm »
The doctor is talking nonsense. If you were penetrated, even for a second and even if just the head and even if there was no ejaculation, there is still a risk. Whilst many people can have hundreds of unprotected sexual exposures without catching the virus, many have had much briefer, less intense experiences and have caught it.

Regardless of how high or low risk it was, it's still a risk.

You should get tested, and test out to 3 months for conclusive results. Ignore any doctor that tells you that brief unprotected encounters are no-risk - they simply don't know what they are talking about.
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Re: Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2018, 04:47:03 pm »
thank you so much for your quick reply.

so i got out of the doctor's place and went out to meet friends but couldn't concentrate on anything. Then by night time, i decided to go to the hospital again. So i went to the emergency center.

The guy at the information desk told me that in France the window period for PEP is 48 hours, and then i told him that some official sites claim that it's no later than 72h. He left and came back and told me that the doctor needed to see me to decide according to my situation.

So a nurse called me and i entered and told her my situation. She got shocked by the fact that the doctor in the morning said that there was no risk in my case. And then i waited and waited.

The Doctor came and without asking me any questions, she told me to go to the drugstore of the hospital immediately with a nurse to start my PEP. I asked her if there was risk in my situation, then she said that the risk was minimum, but still it was a risk. Then i went to the drugstore and the guy at the drugstore told me to take one pill immediately righty there, which was about 69h or 70h since the exposure.

I just finished taking my third Genvoya. My third day taking PEP. So far no side effects.

But I would like to know if i could get tested with ELISA test as soon as i finish 28 days' PEP? And by then , would the result be feasible?

If PEP fails, if really i got infected, would the acute symptoms show up during the 28 days even though i'm under the PEP medication?

Thank you so much. I feel like I'm already dead inside.

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Re: Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2018, 04:54:09 pm »
As you are taking PEP test at 6 weeks and 13 weeks post finishing the PEP course for a conclusive result and test for easier to transmit STIs whilst you are at it.

Going forward use condoms for any intercourse and consider PrEP as additional layer of protection against HIV.

Your story is bizzar from start to finish to say the least anyhow unprotected intercourse is the main transmission route in adults. You met all the conditions needed , no minimal risk but full on risk.

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Re: Receptive unprotected anal sex (Dipping)
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2018, 08:30:12 am »
I know the OP has reached his 3 reply limit, but as he reached out independently with a further bit of information I wanted to respond in here.

Before I do that - great news about the PEP, as Jim said make sure you are tested when you have finished the course.

The OP also explained that he had asked the same question on a separate forum and the respondent there essentially said that without the penetrative partner cumming, there was no risk. I'd just like to correct that and clarify a little....

The notion that a person has to cum to be able to transmit the virus is wholly inaccurate. If someone is HIV positive and not on treatment (perhaps because they do not know their status) then pre-cum can also contain enough virus for transmission to occur. In addition to that, any STI the insertive partner may have could also cause virus to shed, as well as potential cuts or even micro abrasions exposing the receptive partner to blood. Outside the body all these things are no risk, but when you have full penetration - regardless of the degree or duration - these all become possible transmission routes. Therefore it is not true to say that the only way the virus can be transmitted is in the setting of full ejaculation, and the respondent on the other forum is incorrect in that assertion.

In addition to that, lets look at the setting where the risk occurred. You didn't know who the insertive partner was as you were being fucked through a glory hole. You were also, based on your recollection, were well lubricated. Despite many people believing they would categorically know if someone had cum or not, the reality is that you don't - some people will cum almost immediately on penetration and be virtually silent. Being well lubed is great as aside from eliminating pain, it also reduces potentially dangerous friction however the downside is that it is almost impossible to tell the difference between lube and cum immediately after the event, or even if there is pre-cum.

Yes, it is true that a single unprotected act of 'dipping' when well lubed with no apparent ejaculation is a lower risk than say prolonged rough fucking however that doesn't change the fact it IS a risk, both of HIV and other STI's.

The good news is you have been smart and followed up on this properly, so I don't anticipate there to be any problems as long as you are adherent to PEP, but I just wanted to post this to explain why the previous answers you have had are erroneous.

Hope that helps!
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