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Re: Britainís First HIV-Positive Parliamentary Candidate
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2015, 02:11:00 pm »
Very brave. He's publicly admitting to having suffered mental health issues, engaging in unprotected sex and using drugs and attempting suicide before trying to deliberately catch HIV.  Personally I was not going to be voting for Lib dem, and this has not changed my mind, despite being registered to vote in the UK.  Lib dem is just not my thing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lib-dem-candidate-tells-how-5431464

""A Liberal Democrat Parliamentary candidate said he caught HIV deliberately after years of homophobic bullying left him feeling suicidal.

He told BuzzFeed that the bullying caused him to spiral into a cycle of drugs, depression and suicide attempts, before finally deciding that being infected with HIV might be "one way" to die. ""
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2015, 03:18:26 pm »
I'm not  at all sure why he found it relevant to publicly disclose his HIV status- perhaps he found it therapeutic?  Whatever the case, the Liberal democrates will be well and truly kicked in to touch next month - even in Gay friendly Vauxhall! south London

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2015, 03:46:52 pm »
Yeah, to be honest not sure why he did it. 

Got the feeling it political motivated, however this seems more like political career suicide.  I mean he has a whole list of personal issues that will rub voters the wrong way and it's the Liberal democrats so.

On a not so political note about the story, I found it very sad to read he thought HIV was the way out and all the nasty stuff that happened to him. Shame he did not find/get help sooner.
 

 
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2015, 07:28:09 pm »
I've read that he disclosed so to help fight the stigma of being HIV positive. He wants to show that PLHIV can have normal, productive lives. Becoming infected the way he did shows the tragedy wrought by homophobia and stigma. Being public about his status, pursuing a political career and living a healthy life hopefully will diminish the bigotry against PLHIV. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2015, 07:39:33 pm »
Well if that's the case then it's a noble thought.

However the downside is I don't think it going to help his political career by being as honest as he was during the interview.
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2015, 07:44:44 pm »
Poor guy Ö now he will be dealing with the stigma of being labled an elected official  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2015, 02:50:51 am »
Poor guy Ö now he will be dealing with the stigma of being labled an elected official  ;)

LOL!!

I really like the Lib Dems and this makes we want to vote them more (as opposed to tactically voting the second worst party to keep the worst party out....).

And of course he has to disclose early. There might be a few photos of him doing stuff and if those got leaked to an irresponsible newspaper, the 'scandal' would be too distracting.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2015, 03:32:48 am »

And of course he has to disclose early. There might be a few photos of him doing stuff and if those got leaked to an irresponsible newspaper, the 'scandal' would be too distracting.

Yeah that sounds plausible indeed.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2015, 05:50:02 pm »
His disclosure will do nothing to end stigma re HIV AIDS. The pretence that it ever could  is deluded. In typical liberal dem custom, he thinks that they are the all powerful thought police and all, one day, will think as they do- It can never happen! The reality is that cancer for example is looked on with compassion and without stigma-even if the victim had smoked heavily for many years; whereas our affliction will always be seen "by many" as self afflicted through sex or drugs... thus the stigma will remain no matter what some self seeking politician has to say on the issue.

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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2015, 12:42:43 am »
Whereas our affliction will always be seen "by many" as self afflicted through sex or drugs... thus the stigma will remain...

I disagree and can only speak for American affairs. There might always be SOME who see PLHIV with bigotry and stigma but the number certainly can be reduced year after year after year. In America, AIDS activism won the day by changing the NIH and how the FDA approves new medications. While dying the same generation defeated the Moral Majority, Buckley, Buchanan and Helms. The war against HIV stigma needs definition and leadership. Sean Strub created the Sero Project to fight the criminalization of HIV that is fueled by stigma. Larry Kramer might now speak quietly be he is presently calling for a new activism for a cure while HIV funding is diminishing. A new generation of leaders are needed who first must recognize the bureaucracy of HIV is the enemy. State boards are dictated by federal regulations to field people with HIV. Those PLHIV comply and cooperate at the altar of grant money. It's time for a second wave of HIV/AIDS activism directly aimed at fighting social stigma, erosion of funding and civil rights violations such as HIV specific laws. Gay marriage in America was once impossible to achieve but it's here. Fighting HIV stigma is next.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2015, 03:59:13 am »
Well for the UK, I think with the UKIP recently were seeing HIV mentioned more in the news recently.  For those not following UK politics UKIP leader Farage in general is a bit of a wanker.  Also his campaign includes not letting in migrants if they've got HIV and/or not treating them. He's saying were as a group a drain on the system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDpACsk7-qI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3024679/Farage-planned-attack-foreign-HIV-victims-shock-awful-strategy-boost-Ukip-s-core-vote.html

So having more PLHIV in politics and in the public eye might help, and some positive role models might go a long way in dealing with the stigma.

Keeping in mind that the UK are good in a number of respects such as:
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However I think Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett will not be a game changer when it come to HIV stigma. I mean basically he's an ex-porn star and drug user who has tried to commit suicide and has suffered long term mental health issues and then contracted HIV on purpose. He says he did this in his late 20's due to the harassment suffered in his teens.

I feel really sorry for what the lad had to endure and that he was unable to get/have or be provided help sooner. This should be focus point to make sure young people can get easier access to "better" help. It's BTW great and very positive he's turning his life around.

But when it comes to voting and/or representing PLHIV.

Do I want him representing me at Westminster? - No
Do I want Lib Dem representing me at Westminster? - No
Do I want him representing PLHIV? - If i'm really honest - No
Do I ever want him representing the UK - No

On the flip side I won't be supporting UKIP either.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2015, 07:24:22 am »
I disagree and can only speak for American affairs. There might always be SOME who see PLHIV with bigotry and stigma but the number certainly can be reduced year after year after year. In America, AIDS activism won the day by changing the NIH and how the FDA approves new medications. While dying the same generation defeated the Moral Majority, Buckley, Buchanan and Helms. The war against HIV stigma needs definition and leadership. Sean Strub created the Sero Project to fight the criminalization of HIV that is fueled by stigma. Larry Kramer might now speak quietly be he is presently calling for a new activism for a cure while HIV funding is diminishing. A new generation of leaders are needed who first must recognize the bureaucracy of HIV is the enemy. State boards are dictated by federal regulations to field people with HIV. Those PLHIV comply and cooperate at the altar of grant money. It's time for a second wave of HIV/AIDS activism directly aimed at fighting social stigma, erosion of funding and civil rights violations such as HIV specific laws. Gay marriage in America was once impossible to achieve but it's here. Fighting HIV stigma is next.

Given the fact that I stated very clearly what my point was by the use of quotations when I spoke of "Some People" and their views on this issue, that's a rather long-winded retort that reads more like political propaganda. Issues of discrimination, be it related to race, religion, gender, sexuality or indeed HIV status is very progressive in this country (Great Britain), there are sufficient elected politicians on both the left, the right and among the Lib-dems that are just an e-mail away from fighting the corner of anyone that finds themselves victim to such bigotry- even our right wing tabloids have become much more progressive on issues of HIV and AIDS; I say that the last thing that I need is a mentally challenged gay man -confessed porn star and drug user that has acquired HIV deliberately, fighting the equality corner for me. In England we are doing just fine, but as I stated and another poster alluded to, there will always be those unchangeable people that are set in their ways, and this character will make the cement in their bigotry all the stronger.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2015, 07:59:27 am »
I say that the last thing that I need is a mentally challenged gay man -confessed porn star and drug user that has acquired HIV deliberately, fighting the equality corner for me.

Sorry I know it's bad but I just had to laugh when I read that. I for one agree with you. Might not have put it so blunt myself.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2015, 08:17:28 am »
I didn't mean to be funny, and I'm not sure I was; but bluntness was called for as this is becoming a political rap - I'm not at all sure that US & UK politics are anything like reading from the same page  >:(

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Funny is subjective.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2015, 09:18:52 am »
Poor guy Ö now he will be dealing with the stigma of being labled an elected official  ;)

That would be a very funny joke if ever he were elected as an MP, but I grew up in Vauxhall south London- it's a Labour party strong hold, but if it ever rejected the Labour party, it would very likely elect a conservative MP by a very narrow margin. This liberal democrat is playing not just a very odd openley HIV card but also the openly gay card in a ward that is increasingly known as Londons' second gay village- Soho being the first- but It won't work!

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2015, 10:22:23 am »
His disclosure will do nothing to end stigma re HIV AIDS. The pretence that it ever could  is deluded.
You are correct, so far as any ONE person living openly will not end stigma.  However, the more people who do live openly is how you get stigma to end -- it won't happen as an "event", rather it will slowly drift away -- at least for the majority of folks.  There will always be people who stigmatize things and not ever be swayed to think differently.

The reality is that cancer for example is looked on with compassion and without stigma-even if the victim had smoked heavily for many years;

Cancer was, for a very long time, looked upon with stigma - at least in the U.S.  People were always hush, hush about having it.  Breast cancer, in particular, was NEVER spoken of -- this certainly has changed.  Why?  People stopped hiding.

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2015, 10:48:59 am »
Was it cancer that was stigmatised or the location of that caner? I note you empathised breast cancer; I deduce from that, that it was the breast that such fools would rather not speak about, so causing stigma; but to conclude because I'm ranting, I'd say that what is called for is ever more effective treatments against HIV infection both pre and post infection, and who knows -one day maybe the eradication of the virus itself altogether; that is where efforts should be directed, along with prevention of infection education. All this "other stuff" is the politicising of HIV and I find it tedious. Should everyone infected with NSU, Syphilis or Gonorrohea shout it from the roof tops and look for equality also? That would be absolutely crazy!  I am HIV+ but HIV is not my life - be it my moral, my political or my religious life!

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2015, 10:49:50 am »
Fear and silence, together, feed stigma. 

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This is so true.  The more we hide, the more we hide.  The more outspoken about it, or living openly, the less we have to hide.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2015, 11:41:58 am »
Was it cancer that was stigmatised or the location of that caner? I note you empathised breast cancer; I deduce from that, that it was the breast that such fools would rather not speak about, so causing stigma; but to conclude because I'm ranting, I'd say that what is called for is ever more effective treatments against HIV infection both pre and post infection, and who knows -one day maybe the eradication of the virus itself altogether; that is where efforts should be directed, along with prevention of infection education. All this "other stuff" is the politicising of HIV and I find it tedious. Should everyone infected with NSU, Syphilis or Gonorrohea shout it from the roof tops and look for equality also? That would be absolutely crazy!  I am HIV+ but HIV is not my life - be it my moral, my political or my religious life!

This is the thinking of many gay people for decades too -- Once more and more people came out of the closet, people began to see that gays were "normal" people and acceptance began spreading.  Yes, there are still many anti-gay people and people are still persecuted and murdered for being gay, but things have improved and improved greatly in same areas. 
As to your trying to rationalize the de-stigmatization of cancer by honing in on my breast example - try again.  All cancers were hush-hush in an earlier time.
So -- I'm not saying everyone needs to come out as HIV+ via the press, but living normally, and letting people who you might tell that you have cancer, know that you have HIV is how stigma begins to end.
You can rant all you want, but closets feed stigma and closets feed self-hate.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2015, 12:27:46 pm »
This is the thinking of many gay people for decades too -- Once more and more people came out of the closet, people began to see that gays were "normal" people and acceptance began spreading.  Yes, there are still many anti-gay people and people are still persecuted and murdered for being gay, but things have improved and improved greatly in same areas. 
As to your trying to rationalize the de-stigmatization of cancer by honing in on my breast example - try again.  All cancers were hush-hush in an earlier time.
So -- I'm not saying everyone needs to come out as HIV+ via the press, but living normally, and letting people who you might tell that you have cancer, know that you have HIV is how stigma begins to end.
You can rant all you want, but closets feed stigma and closets feed self-hate.
BTW -- if you ask anyone on here, they will tell you I am no far-left liberal, so please try not to go there on me.  What I speak of has played out over and over, it has absolutely nothing to do with my politics.

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There you go, taking my posts personally as if I'm directing them at you and you alone; I don't recall stating that you were of any particular political persuasion-intact I never mentioned you. I was having a general conversation -come rant- based on the thread in general and in particular the person that the thread is about. Likewise, I was talking about this Lib-dem muppet politicising his HIV status and how futile it will be in Vauxhall south London, given my knowledge of that district.  How this has ever become a debate about "coming out", has gone way over my head... HIV is any persons infection, man, woman or child.. this talk of "coming out of the closet" merely fuels the fire of the bigots that HIV is a gay issue alone and on that I bloody well will take you to task! GET A GRIP ON REALITY!

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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2015, 01:46:54 pm »
Hi Mike.

I read your post's and what I got from it was that you were using the stigmatization of people and as an example used how much progress has been made over the years with regards "cancer" "gay" stigma by bringing the topic into the open, be this far from resolved but huge progress has been made. Not gay myself but I can still appreciate the point being made.

I think you have a good point that living more openly about HIV, as it will get the topic out of the "Taboo subjects" box. Hopefully once were more open about HIV in society I think this will go alone way to paving the way for better education regrading HIV in the general public. With that in turn more funding may become available in education and prevention going forward, with a bit of luck "better" education on the subject of STI's to teens at schools one day would even be possible, hopefully that generation will face reduced HIV rates and stigma for PLHIV.

However Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett is the not the one to do it, I don't care that he's gay or that has HIV. However an ex porn star and drug user, with mental health issues, who picked up HIV on purpose in order to top himself will not help but just fuel the stigma.  The poor boy seems to being used again but this time political, and seeing the media comments today this is going to come crashing down on him and then what. We have left the public with a very negative image and the poor boy will wake and realize that he nothing but a pawn in the upcoming elections.

Should everyone infected with NSU, Syphilis or Gonorrohea shout it from the roof tops and look for equality also? That would be absolutely crazy!  I am HIV+ but HIV is not my life - be it my moral, my political or my religious life!

NSU, Syphilis or Gonorrohea - I wish I had that, even in combination instead of HIV.
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Syphilis undetected and asymptomatic  can be  a very deadly STI, be careful what you wish for Dublin  ;)   

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2015, 02:41:23 pm »
Was it cancer that was stigmatised or the location of that caner? I note you empathised breast cancer; I deduce from that, that it was the breast that such fools would rather not speak about, so causing stigma;

No, my grandfather had esophageal cancer in the early 60's and that was also stigmatized enough where it was not spoken of.
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Syphilis undetected and asymptomatic  can be  a very deadly STI, be careful what you wish for Dublin  ;)   

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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2015, 02:59:57 pm »
No, my grandfather had esophageal cancer in the early 60's and that was also stigmatized enough where it was not spoken of.

I just read an article that I googled up re stigma and disease, and the the number one on the list is HIV; the second on the list is HPV.  There is a reason why the top two positions are STIs, and although cancer is mentioned in the article, it refers to "blame issues" relating to the heavy smoker and lung & throat cancer, and shame issues where colon cancer is concerned, inasmuch as people are ashamed to go for check ups in such a private area.  There is a massive gulf between this so called historical stigma re cancer and the very real stigma pertaining to all sexually transmitted infections and or class A drug use.

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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2015, 03:02:57 pm »
still would rather take my chances with them.

You'll live to be 85 or 90 if you keep taking your medication and generally look after yourself - you'll never wish HIV away  ;)

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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2015, 03:15:41 pm »
Gosh 85/90 . Would be nice but I'm but i'n not counting on it.
Nobody in my family has ever lived beyond 70, most pop off at 55-60. 

Still would trade HIV for NSU, Syphilis or Gonorrohea if I could.
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2015, 03:46:13 pm »
There is a massive gulf between this so called historical stigma re cancer and the very real stigma pertaining to all sexually transmitted infections and or class A drug use.

Even more the reason then to start getting the topic of HIV out in the public view again and this time in a more positive light. If it's more talked about, then the less of a taboo it becomes and hopefully with a better understanding and openness of the topic it will go a long way towards educating. With this it might help keeping some people from getting STI's in the first place.

The other reason to break the stigma is perhaps for those to come. I read a recent UK article the other day (can't find it now but included link to similar report 2010 & 2008) and but in part (note I said in part) due to stigma the suicide rates are 3 time higher in PLHIV.  Anything we can do to reduce the stigma "may" help reduce this high suicide rate.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/715780
http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-one-in-three-UK-HIV-patients-has-considered-suicide-in-the-previous-week-revised/page/1431848/

So to sum it up, more PLHIV publicly living normal lives is a good thing I think, but on the topic Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett he not going to help lessen the stigma issues surrounding HIV in the UK and might (will) make it worse for the time being.

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2015, 05:12:31 pm »
So to sum it up, more PLHIV publicly living normal lives is a good thing I think, but on the topic Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett he not going to help lessen the stigma issues surrounding HIV in the UK and might (will) make it worse for the time being.

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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2015, 11:37:22 pm »
Denvaux - I did not take anything you said personally.  I was being preemptive and hoping to stop you from thinking that I was simply spouting my politics, as you alluded to someone else's "retort being political propaganda".

My comments on people being open to help end stigma was not about this politician specifically, however.  Although, I wouldn't necessarily assume someone with a "past" would not help the cause.  I'm not up on the politics in the UK, but he's certainly gotten people talking about HIV -- that could be a good thing.

BTW -- I'd like to think I'm someone who can help people look at HIV differently, even though I am a recovering alcoholic and have used drugs in the past myself.  I consider myself to be living a "normal live", despite my past.  Just some food for thought.

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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2015, 07:27:36 am »
Brocker3,  the poster I referred to was AT, and anyone that reads that post can not but be struck by the political overload of it- that is why I deemed it political propaganda. It is of the type of thrust down your throat politics that turns people off politics in this country; and I can assure you that the Lib-dem candidate in the article will likewise turn people off of himself  and a political party [his party]  that this country is already rejecting like never before. Openly gay politicians are not new in the UK - we have many, and openly HIV positive elected politicians are likewise not new here- that was done over a decade ago. You say he may get people talking about HIV and that's a good thing; I say it would be a good thing if they didn't have to talk about, promiscuity, drug taking and porn stardom in the same breath thank you very much.. the guy is either still very sick or a bloody fool!

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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2015, 08:52:10 am »
denvaux...

are you open about your status? the hows and whys of your infection?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/meet-britains-first-hiv-positive-parliamentary-candidate#.seJ63xMxWA

this man should not shut up and sit in the corner. his story mirrors many of us, his voice can speak for many.

i applaud his bravery and honesty, i know that many are not strong enough to do what he did, even without as much exposure and risk as he has.

i really don't see what your problem is with him. at all.

You say he may get people talking about HIV and that's a good thing; I say it would be a good thing if they didn't have to talk about, promiscuity, drug taking and porn stardom in the same breath thank you very much..

100% completely disagree.... hiv/aids shouldn't be sanitized or softened... high risk activity SHOULD be talked about

you may not want to be associated with that type of activity, but the fact is, at some point in your past, you behaved in the same fashion... we all did, that is the point

personally i am getting a strong vibe of self denial and shame from you.
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2015, 09:04:17 am »
I state very clearly where I stand with this self-seeking muppet, however, you don't have to see what my problem is with him, and nor do my views need to grate you as they are my views- views I am allowed to have in my country, as I do not live in China or any other totalitarian country.  So you feel I should walk about with a Tee Shirt stating HIV+ and for that I will gain your respect? Let me tell you my friend -It isn't gonna happen!    Am I open about my status - I've never heard anything so pathetic in my life!

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2015, 09:10:06 am »


personally i am getting a strong vibe of self denial and shame from you.
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Perhaps you should look up some of my recent posts on other threads but I do wonder
what have we here, the self appointed psychologist come psychiatrist come political activist perhaps?

How about live and let live and take a chill pill  8)

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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2015, 09:17:24 am »
my respect has nothing to do with it, if you want to wear a shirt more power to you... i never said anything about your clothes

that freedom of speech you enjoy, he has that same freedom.

how would you like hiv/aids to be talked about? frame the conversation here... what is an acceptable path to transmission? what should we tell the neggies? a lie?

you seem to advocate silence, go sit in the corner, don't dare show our true face

what would people learn from that?

no one gets hiv from no-risk or safe sex, in committed and monogamous relationships

none of us have pretty stories to tell, this guy is owning his behavior

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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2015, 09:20:46 am »
but I do wonder what have we here, the self appointed psychologist come psychiatrist come political activist perhaps?

How about live and let live and take a chill pill  8)

nah, just another guy that used drugs and had promiscuous nameless sex with who knows who

just another guy that has been self destructive most of my life

just a guy that can read that article and see myself in his words

chill pill? same could be said for you


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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2015, 09:33:36 am »
You sound to me- just as our Lib-dem would be elected MP does as if you'd be better suited to airing your share in a 12 step meeting rather than losing the plot on a thread on here.  So you respect the honesty of this candidate and believe you connect with his story..... I wonder were he elected would you still respect and connect with him once he toes the party line and spins the usual web of lies that almost ALL elected politicians do? Yes, I have a problem with him as he is my political enemy and he is trying to play politics with gay friendly Vauxhall for a vote that I'm confident he will not get! He is also going the wrong way about it!

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« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2015, 09:49:16 am »
so this isn't about hiv as much as it's about an opposing political view

you oppose his politics, and you're throwing hiv and anyone who didn't become infected in a pretty way under the bus with him

12 steps? no thanks

we have log cabin republicans, i guess sort of the same scenario, maybe

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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2015, 09:52:21 am »

Zach claims that I advocate silence on the issues of HIV/AIDS based on what he has read on this thread....  Clearly Zach should re-read only this time a little more fully and carefully  8)


 I'm ending this as Zach is pissing off my easter day.

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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2015, 10:23:18 am »
The post was not directed at me however do want to chip on this and I found it fascinating.

This man should not shut up and sit in the corner. his story mirrors many of us, his voice can speak for many.

Damn, I did know that many of ďusĒ went out of their to commit suicide by catching HIV on purpose, no wonder there is a stigma about it if that was the case.
Not to mention doing this whist stoned on class A drugs, mentally ill and preforming in the gay porn industry. What a combination ! All we need now is a donkey or sheep to get involved and the story would reach a new height.
I would have thought the combination of the above was the tiny minority but thanks for your insight. Good to know and shame must have been washing my hair that night and missed the party.

On a seriously I do understand or appreciate that this manís story is not really about ďcatching HIV deliberatelyĒ it about his depression in this teens due to the hatred and harassment from others regarding his sexuality from others and his own self-loathing faced as a consequence of this.  However were not talking about someone on TV , or a sports guy , were talking about someone who is running to be in government, and the fast majority of the UK will not see the back ground story they will just see the headlines and the front story of how this young man went out of his way to try and top himself and allowed himself to be used. Not really qualityís we seeks in potential  political leaders.


i applaud his bravery and honesty, i know that many are not strong enough to do what he did, even without as much exposure and risk as he has.

I donít think anyone said it was not brave on a personal level, however in relation to politics representing us in Westminster is a different matter.

i really don't see what your problem is with him. at all.

Nothing, he getting the same scrutiny as any politician in the UK, heís not being singled out. He happens to be making noise and drawing attention to himself.
Hence he has my attention and that of other UK voters. It's canít always be positive attention.

 
100% completely disagree.... hiv/aids shouldn't be sanitized or softened... high risk activity SHOULD be talked about
you may not want to be associated with that type of activity, but the fact is, at some point in your past, you behaved in the same fashion... we all did, that is the point

Again I must have missed that party.
Anyhow I think High risk should be discussed more particular with young teens so they are educated before they are at risk.

The question is not personal towards the politician but do I want an ex suicidal  porn star, with mental health challenges, who also was a raving drug user in government and perhaps even one day leading the UK Ė No.

Does that mean I am against recovered drug users or ex-porn stars or people with mental health issues in general - Absolutely not, just would not elect someone with combination to government anytime soon.
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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2015, 10:38:38 am »
Be careful Dublin, someone just may be getting a strong vibe of self denial and shame from you.     ;)

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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2015, 10:42:45 am »
Be careful Dublin, someone just may be getting a strong vibe of self denial and shame from you.     ;)


LOL - Only shame I have is from eating the kids Easter eggs last night and having to rush to Tesco's this morning to replace them. - Bad parent :-( lol.
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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2015, 10:47:44 am »
 :D

busy chopping lines of cocaine, as some do

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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2015, 11:06:38 am »
Cocaine is fun if you're in your late teens through late twenties and you avoid developing an addiction problem; continuing into your 30s or 40s however, is a very sad state of affairs IMO.

I think I'll have another chocolate easter bunny instead  ;)

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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2015, 11:26:24 am »
I think what is going on here really is about folks who do not agree with his politics.  Rather than use political arguments to talk about why one doesn't agree, we instead use character assassination techniques.  Hmmmm....  I thought this was pretty unique to the US, apparently it is not.  I suspect that if this ex promiscuous, drug addled man with a history of mental illness were a Conservative candidate, you'd have less of an issue.
It always saddens me that there is no longer much option to have a civil political discussion -- no, it always must get down to a "hatchet job" and 'the other side is evil, here's why".....  of course, the other side does the exact same thing, thus polarization strengthens and progress comes to a screeching halt.
I lay most of the blame for this on the 24/7 news cycle.  Gotta sell those TV and/or newspaper advertisements, so let's stir up the pot.  Ugh....
I will always have respect for a politician who actually speaks truths -- even if I don't agree with their politics and might never vote for them.  A truthful politician has become the definition of oxymoron.

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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2015, 11:30:08 am »
Cocaine is fun if you're in your late teens through late twenties and you avoid developing an addiction problem; continuing into your 30s or 40s however, is a very sad state of affairs IMO.

I think I'll have another chocolate easter bunny instead  ;)

so you've never abused cocaine as an adult? say as a way of coping with a new hiv dx?

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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2015, 11:57:45 am »
so you've never abused cocaine as an adult? say as a way of coping with a new hiv dx?

Zach take your cocaine and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2015, 12:03:58 pm »
pot, meet kettle.... maybe you can see yourself in this politicians words as well. like i said, none of us have pretty stories. by your standards, no pozzie should be an elected official.

don't run for office denvaux, glass houses and all that

Anyhow as I said earlier I didn`t deal with this very well and I was basically out of my head on alcohol and or cocaine for almost the remainder of  the year 2006
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