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Author Topic: Undetectable M , negetive F condom stuck inside risk of transmission?  (Read 2039 times)

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Offline Songforzula

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last week for the first time in our year long relationship a condom broke we didn't realise until he withdrew but we rushed to the hospital and I took my first pep tablet within 5 hours. I was wondering what are the chances of transmission with pep and undetectable partner please let me know thanks.

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Re: Undetectable M , negetive F condom stuck inside risk of transmission?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 02:11:14 PM »
The bottom line is the odds are good that you will ultimately test negative. Until the condom broke you had protection. Your bf being undetectable is another very good thing in your favor and this was a one-time event. Additionally you began PEP very promptly and the earlier it is started the better the chances of it working.

As far as testing, you can do it the first time at 6 weeks after you complete PEP. If you get the negative result we're hoping for, then it is likely you will continue to test negative for a conclusive result at 3 months.

Again, just want to say the odds are in your favor. Good luck.
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Re: Undetectable M , negetive F condom stuck inside risk of transmission?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 05:38:13 PM »
Hi thanks a lot andy
But the risks are higher since he I was receptive and he did come in me
We only discovered after.

Thanks appreciate any and all responses

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Re: Undetectable M , negetive F condom stuck inside risk of transmission?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 08:51:38 PM »
Hi thanks a lot andy
But the risks are higher since he I was receptive and he did come in me
We only discovered after.

Thanks appreciate any and all responses

The broken condom does represent a possible risk, however, the fact that your partner is undetectable lessens the risk considerably.  You also started PEP immediately and PEP has an excellent record of preventing HIV infection.  It is not possible to quantify what level of risk you may have had, but your immediately starting PEP, along with the fact that your partner is undetectable reduces any risk considerably.

As Andy has already mentioned, the odds are highly favorable that your test result will be negative.


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Re: Undetectable M , negetive F condom stuck inside risk of transmission?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2017, 05:45:47 PM »
Thank you in advance to anyone who responds to this, I'll try to keep it short.
So 2 days ago me and my partner who I have been with for 3 and a half years were having vaginal sex and it's only until after we both ejaculated and he tried to withdraw that we realized the condom was still stuck inside me. I stood up and pushed it out and it fell out as did some ejaculation (Nit sure who's). I immediately run to the bathroom and washed my vagina with cold water as I had previously read on this site. Anyway the next day I went to the health sexual clinic and told them what happened. The doctor advised that I would not need Pep because my partner was undetected and has been for 6/7 years. Additionally we have had slip ups two times before and I took pep both times and the results were negative so i took her advice and didn't take the pep.
However now I am worried that I might have got infected because my partner's CD4 count was 300 when tested 2 months ago and he has also recently altered his medication time by an hour. Additionally I feel like my own immune system has become weaker recently as I have a persistent cough and I just had a UTI and thrush and I am not sure if these could all increase the likelihood of infection.
p.s. always use condoms apart from those 3 cases in 3 and a half years were the condom split. I also tested negative for HIV 2 weeks prior to recent event.

Additionally I am also curious has there been any known cases of infection with negative female partners and undetectable male partners? I am aware that the risk of transmission is really low with undetectable partners, however I am also aware people are still getting infected and they must be getting it some way, please advise.

Thank you very much

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Re: Undetectable M , negetive F condom stuck inside risk of transmission?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2017, 06:50:40 PM »
I am unaware of any documented case of HIV transmission between a negative female partner and an undetectable male partner, but nothing is going to be 100 percent safe 100 percent of the time.  All you can rely on is the extreme unlikelihood
of such a scenario:


From the link:

"The results of both HPTN 052 and PARTNER reaffirmed that ART is a highly effective strategy to prevent the sexual transmission of HIV. Both studies found that no HIV transmissions occurred when the partner on ART was undetectable. In HPTN 052, only eight transmissions occurred when the HIV-positive partner was on treatment, and the viral load was likely not undetectable. Importantly, all couples in both studies were engaged in regular care, such as ongoing viral load monitoring, testing for sexually transmitted infections (STIs), and adherence and risk-reduction counselling. These supports likely helped improve the HIV prevention benefit of ART."

You can't determine whether you are HIV positive because of symptoms, such as a "persistent cough" or a urinary tract infection, since symptoms of HIV infection, if they occur at all, vary widely.

Your partner's CD4 counts are irrelevant, it is his viral load that matters here.  Presuming that he remains "undetectable," and there's no reason to believe he is not "undetectable," your chances of HIV infection are virtually nonexistent, based on all ongoing studies of serodiscordant couples (including heterosexual couples)when one partner is undetectable and the other is negative.

You have sought and received the advice of a healthcare professional.  You may wish to check back with her for any reassurances you may need.
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