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Author Topic: Guilty Verdict - Bias Intimidation  (Read 1138 times)

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Offline Buckmark

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Guilty Verdict - Bias Intimidation
« on: March 16, 2012, 02:10:06 PM »
The Rutgers University student accused of spying on and intimidating his roommate because he was gay has been found guilty of both invasion of privacy, and bias intimidation. 


The obviously won't bring back the gay student who took his life by jumping off the George Washington bridge.  But I hope it sends a strong message to others.

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Re: Guilty Verdict - Bias Intimidation
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 04:45:11 PM »
I read this story on the NYT and I was frustrated with the number of comments there were oblivious to what it might be like growing up gay.  Comments are limited, but here's what I said:

Joe Montreal

As tragic as this case appears, I submit that you cannot understand what it means to be gay in America, unless you have lived though it. I'm a 58 yo gay man, who grew up in Detroit surrounded by societal pressures, my parents and my church telling me how "unnatural" I must be, because I am a homosexual.

Try and imagine how to navigate such a world, particularly through high school, with virtually no support from any of the most powerful influences in your life. How would you reconcile what you are told with how you feel, knowing that being gay is simply another facet of who you are? How can anyone ask you to be anything different from what you are, because they are uneasy with what they "believe" you are?

The idea of "hate the sin, love the sinner" is impossible, because you cannot separate the components, however the real issue is you have no right to tell anyone how to live. I have been gay bashed, spit on and called more names that I can recall, simply because I was born gay. Until people understand that what we say and do, can have enormous consequences on others, especially those we hold to be different, it will continue to be a very difficult for far too many gay children and teens growing up in America.

Every time you refuse to stand against bigotry and intolerance, you become part of the problem. Change comes one person at a time. If not now? When? Our gay youth, need adults in all aspects of life to be telling them they are fine, just the way they are.


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Re: Guilty Verdict - Bias Intimidation
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2012, 03:02:58 AM »
I suppose I should start by saying I haven't followed this case in great detail.  From what I do know, it seems like a case of an immature guy doing something stupid.  At that age, I remember a time when friends and I listened outside the door of another friend having sex---all with the immature giggles, etc, etc.  And, then telling others of what we heard.  This seems like what happened in this case.  The fact that it was gay sex made it more interesting, but it very well could have happened to a straight roommate banging a girl.  If the girl was very freaky in bed, for example, that would have lead to more intrigue.

He did not cause this guy to commit suicide.  He was obviously mentally unstable to begin.  From all that I gathered, all of the fellow students testified that the defendant never made homophobic remarks, or sought out to intentionally harm this guy, because of his sexuality.  It appears to be an immature decision.  He could now serve up to 10 years for something I'm sure many have done--either via webcam, a hole in the wall, or through a cracked bedroom door.  I know "slippery slopes" are often overused, but I'm concerned by the slippery slope.  And, I think hate crime laws should be reserved for the clear and serious crimes against a particular group.  I would hate for my son or daughter to serve prison time for immature behavior that wasn't hate based.  I mean, where does this go?  If a straight person posts that someone they know often frequents gay bars, is that Bias Intimidation?  Reporting you saw someone having gay sex at the adult bookstore?  What if you didn't use a webcam, but invited people to come to the adult bookstore to see the guy in action?  If they snap a pic of two guys making out in their shared living space and post that so and so is into dudes, is that Bias Intimidation?

I do not agree with the verdict.  If someone has more knowledge about the case that sheds light on a history of anti-gay views or actions, please advise.     

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Re: Guilty Verdict - Bias Intimidation
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2012, 05:01:23 AM »
He didn't show remorse and he should have taken the plea bargain.

Sometimes you can do something stupid that unfortunately is exactly also something with grave consequences which can't be avoided.   The act was careless and young and mean. It somehow steamrolled into both a suicide and a very serious legal charge so there was no going back to plead "just youthful stupidity."  Just not possible.

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