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Offline zach

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when was i infected?
« on: October 18, 2010, 05:25:25 AM »
Is there a way of determining when I was infected. Diagnosed in July of this year, but thinking back I had been very sick a few times the previous couple years. My doctor has said, that judging by my cd4 count when I was diagnosed, I've probably been positive for a long time. I'm just curious. I'm not looking to track down who is "responsible" I found him in the mirror debating the merits of a handgun solution. I've disclosed to my previous partners, my exwife and girlfriends, they have all tested negative. I had my kids tested, just so I could sleep better, couldn't think of anytime over the years they could have been exposed. But, mea culpa, there was a time when I used heroin for a couple years. And there have been many partners, one night stands with males and females, with a less than stellar record of condom use. I've found myself thinking on the when lately. When was it, how was it? Has anyone I've lost track of over the years tested positive, and wondering the same thing I am? And was it me that infected them
I set into a downward spiral
Caught an illness that was literally viral
I heard some words of wisdom the other day
And they went in one ear and out the other one

I awoke from this beatific binge
With prismatic eyes, now lite is tinged
With all the vapors that the vile humans brew
Shining through the blight of you

Offline littleprince

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Re: when was i infected?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 12:34:50 PM »
There's no way of knowing exactly by looking at blood tests. Different people progress at different rates. Some people will get to where you were relatively quickly (few years) while others may take 10+ years to reach the same point, if ever.

Normally the HIV progression charts you see around show it taking about 10 years but this is far from a precise number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hiv-timecourse.png

I had numbers similar to yours and my doctor could just say likely more than 5 years but possibly up to 10 years.

Offline wtfimpoz

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Re: when was i infected?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 01:29:04 PM »
Using data like cd4 and viral load is a lot like trying to determine how fast your car is going without acknowledging time or space.  That doesn't seem to stop docs from doing it though.  I have a neg result in 9/01/09, a weakly reactive ELISA in the beginning of June of 2010, an indeterminate western blot followed by a fully positive immunoflourescent a week later and a documented "mysterious flu like illness" that looks a lot like seroconversion in early may.  Consequently, my window of infection can probably be pinned down into a relatively narrow timeframe.  My doc took one look at my numbers and announced that I'd probably had it "for years".   ::)

Moral of the story?  Unless your doc was testing you beforehand, take their estimate with a grain of salt.

Edited for time frame accuracy.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 01:35:32 PM by wtfimpoz »
mid april, 2010, "flu like illness".
06/01/2010-weakly reactive ELISA, indeterminant WB
06/06/2010-reactive ELISA, confirmed positive.

DATE       CD4     %     VL
07/15/10  423     33    88k
08/28/10  489     19    189k
09/06/10-Started ATRIPLA
09/15/10  420     38    1400
11/21/10  517     25    51

Offline roy100

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Re: when was i infected?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2010, 06:09:09 PM »
in my case more than 10 years.................  a long time I had been feeling bad
Diagnosed 18Th March 2010
March 30Th VL +100,000 CD4 46
CD8T  575 CD8 %60.6
On Truvada and Kaletra. . Remeron 15mg  and150 mg  wellbutrin xl for depression. Clonazepan 2 mg to sleep. Omeprazole 20  once a day.
July 17 2010 Vl 362 CD4 155, 6.4 %
CD8T suppressors 1482 CD8% 61.1
 Nov 16 2010: V l 937 CD4 188,10%
CD8T Suppresors 997 CD8%55.8
August 15th 2011 Vl UD, less than 40.
CD4:543(26.7%) CD8:887 (43.6 %) Ratio .61
Jan 14th,2012 ,less than 40.
CD4:478 (24.4%) CD8: 962 (49.1%) Ratio.50
June 2012 CD4 599, CD8 856 UD
Oct 2013 CD 702, CD 843 UD Ratio:.87

Offline Lucky2behere

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Re: when was i infected?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 03:21:50 AM »
In march, the Nurse/Social Worker told me most likely I had been infected a few years before. I have had 2 tests done this year and my CD4 count has actually improved. I don't know what this means but the doc said I was not in a severe danger zone but he wanted me to start meds soon.  :-\
Thank ya'll for being around for me so I can read all this information and feel a little better about it.
March 2010 tested HIV Pos
probably infected 2.5 years
Sept.  2010 CD4 520 %24 vl 18,000
Nov.   2010 CD4 560    ?   vl  1,400
Dec. 5 2010 Started Truvada Isentress
Jan.  5 2011 CD4 380   ?    vl      63

Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: when was i infected?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 09:46:44 AM »
I think Littleprince put it very well. 

Sometimes you can do a little detective work if you look back over your medical records and have had regular physicals, other labs may help you push the date back (for instance a physical with abnormally high C-reactive protein levels, read with current knowledge of HIV, probably means you were already infected at the time)

But I wanted to react to one other thing you said.
And was it me that infected them

I'm hearing the edges of blaming yourself here and Zach, HIV is a VIRUS. 

Your body, your sex, your drugs may have been the tool IT used to infect someone -- but you can't walk around blaming yourself for what might have happened without your knowledge and without your intent.  The virus is the bad actor here; you did nothing to intentionally help it and now that you know you have it you are working to stamp it out.  Be kind to that guy you see in the mirror -- hold him to high standards in the future, but the past is over.

5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%
2014 VL UD - 48
2015 VL 130 Moved to Triumeq

Offline bryan21

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Re: when was i infected?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2010, 04:06:53 AM »
The past is the past let it be gone..
Look forward not backward's..That's how you lose your way.
And from what you said there is like NO WAY you could find out when you got infected...
Maybe it was the needles..maybe the unprotected hook up's with chic's and dude's..
And I am sure you have infected someone and that someone infected a countless amount of other's and those other's countless amount's of other's..HIV is a waterfall...


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