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Author Topic: "Labels" and Classification  (Read 1857 times)

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Offline Seeker

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"Labels" and Classification
« on: November 20, 2009, 09:16:27 PM »
Would appreciate some feedback...I undertand that we talk a lot about CD 4 numbers and the difference between being HIV+ and the somewhat arbitrary 200 range for AIDS....guess I thought you were "one or the other"...since my count was 198 when I got my test results then after a month on atripla numbers improved to 248 I thought of myself again as HIV+ but in one of her responses to another question recently Ann gave me the impression that it's widely held that once your numbers are low enough to be regarded as having AIDS then you are always in that category even if your numbers increase....again--not to make a point of labels--maybe it's a personal thing--for me I prefer to think of myself as being HIV+, ---would appreciate your reactions....
tested positive Aug 2009
Sept 2009   CD4  198  VL  13,090
started Atripla
Oct 2009    CD4  248   VL  820
Feb 2010    CD4  237   VL  undetectable
Jun 2010    CD4  341   VL  undet
Oct 2010    CD4  281   VL  undet
Mar 2011    CD4  344   VL  undet
Jan 2012    CD4  334    VL  30
Jun 2012    CD4  347    VL  20
Nov 2012   CD 4  349   VL  undetectable
Apr 2013    CD 4  340   VL  undet
Oct 2013    CD 4  387   VL  undet
Apr 2014    CD4   356   VL  undet
Oct 2014    CD4   389   VL  undet
Nov 2014   changed to Triumeq
Feb 2015    CD 4  410   VL  undet
Aug 2015    CD 4  349   VL  undet
Feb 2016    CD 4  399   VL  undet
Aug 2016    CD 4  351   VL  undet
Feb 2017    CD 4  420   VL   undet
Aug 2017    CD 4  409   VL  undet

Offline newt

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Re: "Labels" and Classification
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 09:35:25 PM »
Strictly speaking the CDC uses the A-C 1-3 classification which can be found here:


Strictly speaking again, because stopping treatment would soon see you return to your pre-treatment state of immune health, the lowest/worst ever classification is the diagnosis.

But in real life this is poppycock. Ill people/people with CD4 under 200 are usually said to have AIDS, my clinic notes say I was diagnosed with A3 HIV infection, current status A2 and don't mention AIDS. Likewise my clinic would probably not count bacterial pneumonia or candidiasis as AIDS-defining conditions. There you go. It is indeed a label. Sometimes it is necessary for entitlement/historical monitoring purposes.

- matt
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Offline leatherman

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Re: "Labels" and Classification
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 09:40:18 PM »
you might want to check out the discussion in this thread define low cd4 and aids
leatherman (aka mIkIE)

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