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Author Topic: ALVAC 1452 "therapeutic" vaccine. Immunogenic, THEREFORE harmul!  (Read 2089 times)

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Offline bimazek

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Re: ALVAC 1452 "therapeutic" vaccine. Immunogenic, THEREFORE harmul!
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 01:31:39 PM »
this is not incredible at all
the immune system is what is called a complex system
it is more than just the sum or adding all the part
there are hundreds of parts and effecting one here can change another there
the best way to think of a complex system is those weird sound generators from the 50s science fiction where the scientist kept changing the knobs and the tone of the sounds kept oscillating and going up and down all over the place, the immune system is like that even with exactly the same inputs there can be variable outputs
look up complex system on wikipedia, i posted about this in past

there are hundreds of separate systems that interact in a symphony to make the immune system kill bad things and not distroy the body, that is the hard part telling what is bad and what is not the body -  this delicate balance is a symphony of different chemicals, twenty types of cells, tons of systems

also they have completely forgot or ignored or not read about the exhausted cd8 cells from pd-1 the scientists who wrote that paper said ALL vaccine trials would have to be done over because of that discovery, there are many many part of the immune system that are effected in ways they dont understand
but every set back is a huge step forward
because it give a clue as to how to move forward and improve
do a search on here for my posts on
complex systems
every step is step closer
there are no steps back in science

this is why, in my opinion the vaccine failed, did the researchers see this in a completely different science journal, i doubt it, do they know this, i doubt it, science is progressing so fast they cannot keep up with everything
at some conference 3 years from now at a cocktail party one scientist will walk up and say, i think your
vaccine failed because of this research hopefully they will even meet or read each others papers

this diagram shows
here is description of it

also related to complexities of immune system

« Last Edit: July 11, 2008, 01:48:11 PM by bimazek »


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Re: ALVAC 1452 "therapeutic" vaccine. Immunogenic, THEREFORE harmul!
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 02:05:50 AM »
We need some good news. I am really starting to get bummed out on all the recent set backs.  :'( :'( :'(
Atheist don't believe in GOD, but GOD believes in them and loves them. Never let the failure of man conflict with your love of GOD.


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