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Author Topic: Question about Juven  (Read 7553 times)

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Offline Bruce_Wayne

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Question about Juven
« on: June 04, 2008, 09:23:02 PM »
Before I spend my eighty bucks does it even work? Any stories? Anyone on it? Thanks...

Offline Ann

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Re: Question about Juven
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 04:27:19 AM »
It's made by Abbott laboratories so at least it's not some fly-by-night snakeoil outfit. Well, sorta. ;D

On the main Abbott Juven page it says: Use Juven under medical supervision and I suggest you take their advice and speak to your doctor about this. If he/she agrees it's something you need and would benefit from, you may be able to get it cheaper on prescription.

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Re: Question about Juven
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 04:27:43 PM »
oh it works. i could only use 1 pack a day because if i used the recommended two packs i would be up all night. i had tons of energy and it help me keep on a few pounds. if i could afford it i would still use it.
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Re: Question about Juven
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2008, 09:39:13 AM »
Juven is an excellent example of marketing heavily marked-up chemical components and not disclosing all of the pertinent risks.

Juven's main constituents are arginine, glutamine, and HMB (beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate), a new fad piss colorant for bodybuilders  see http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hmb.html

Glutamine has long been recognized for contributing to muscle growth and immune function, but it's available in bulk form far cheaper than the individual servings provided by Juven.  I just ordered 2000g of bul gluatime from an eBay merchant in Brooklyn for under $50  with shipping.  Using 10g a day, that's under 25 CENTS a day.  Still, anyone on Dilantin for seizures and a couple other drugs I can't recall must avoid glutamine.

Arginine is often touted for alertness, but again it's available in bulk forms far cheaper.  Arginine also contributes to flare-ups of herpes.

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