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Author Topic: Vaccines: a TODO list  (Read 2360 times)

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Offline John2038

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Vaccines: a TODO list
« on: November 24, 2007, 09:25:57 AM »

my third post today ! I'm not spamming the forum, but all are reflecting important questions I'm having now.

I'm trying to inventory all the vaccines that might help to fight better the consequences of the HIV.

The TODO list of vaccines are for now as follow:

* Pneumococcal vaccine (PPV)
* Flu
* Diphtheria and Tetanus
* Hepatitis A,B
* Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMRV)
* Warts (Gardasil)
* Herpes (Valtex)
* Yellow fever, Variola (Smallpox), Typhoid fever, Cholera

1) Any vaccines missing or to avoid
2) Can some of this vaccines be taken at the same month, or is there any period of time to consider between 2  shoot ?

Thank you for your feedback

The Anti-Herpes (Valtex) vaccine seems to have a good effect on the CD4 (increase) and to reduce the VL or even the HIV transmission. Source (among others)

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2007, 09:55:35 AM »
Good idea to get relevant vaccinations but a couple of things occur to me:

- Valtrex (or valacyclovir) is not a vaccine, it is an antiviral drug for people who are infected with herpes. There is no vaccine for herpes. The herpes and HIV viruses do appear to sometimes interact negatively and cause a heightened HIV VL. However, the positive effect observed on HIV VL when taking acyclovir only occurs if you are already infected with herpes and you commit to taking acyclovir regularly;

- some live vaccines are not safe for HIV+ people (there is, for example, two versions of the flu vac and one is live);

- some of the vacs in your list are childhood vaccinations you might have already received, e.g. MMR, and some are only relevant if you're living in, or planning to travel to, an affected country, e.g. yellow fever;

- some vaccinations appear to have a transient negative effect on HIV VL so if it was me I'd space them out a bit.

Bottom line is that you should discuss your list with your doctor since s/he has access to all the relevant information about you.

Good luck!

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2007, 10:11:21 AM »
My HIV specialist(s) have regularly done the first four from your list, John.  If yours has not I'd ask them about it.  The fifth one, as keyite states, should have been done when you were a kid.

Gardasil has not yet been approved for men -- only women.  If you already have HPV, which may be the case if you are older, then it's useless anyway.
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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2007, 11:24:03 AM »
keyite and philly267

great feedback, very helpful and highly appreciated !

Will print out this thread to discuss it with my doc.

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2007, 03:09:31 PM »
hey all,

i've heard conflicting information about gardasil. mainly, if a person already has hpv then gardasil can help protect against unaquired strains of the virus. from what i gather, most visible warts are not cancerous and gardasil protects against some of the more prevalent cancer causing strains. basically, it can't hurt to have it done and it may prevent infection of other strains. it is true, gardasil has not been approved for men, but it hasn't been denied to males either (if it has been, please let us know). last time i read an article on this, tests were still being doing on the efficacy of gardisil for men.

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Offline BirdBear718

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2007, 10:26:35 PM »
It is always very good to be proactive.  However, you must talk with your ID doctor.  I agree with those above reminding you that not all live vaccines are beneficial to a weakened immune system.
You don't want to go to your general practitioner (gp) or family doctor for these vaccines without consulting your ID doctor FIRST.  Your ID doctor is specialized and more up to date than the gp.  Your ID doctor needs to be your first line of defense at each turn.  Make you ID doc your new best friend.   ;)

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2007, 05:34:10 AM »
1) In addition to the list above, I was also given a meningitis shot, called Menjugate (sp?). It was recommended by my HIV doc, so I didn't object.

2) I just make sure I get the shots after my bloodwork else the numbers might jump around.

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Offline JohnOso

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 02:59:41 AM »
The smallpox vaccine is contraindicated for people with HIV entirely.

Your MMR may need to be repeated...maybe you could suggest your doctor check titers to determine if you need a booster or not.

I'm not sure how your immune system is functioning, but my Hep A titer didn't register so I have to retake it at the next doctor's visit.

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Re: Vaccines: a TODO list
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 01:28:44 PM »
About Gardasil

New Gardasil Adverse Event Reports

3,461 adverse reactions including eleven deaths since FDA approval.

Among the new information uncovered by Judicial Watch:

      "20-Jun-2007: Information has been received...concerning a 17 year old female who in June 2007...was vaccinated with a first dose of Gardasil...During the evening of the same day, the patient was found unconscious (lifeless) by the mother. Resuscitation was performed by the emergency physician but was unsuccessful. The patient subsequently died."
      "12-Jun-2007: Information has been received...concerning a 12 year old female with a history of aortic and mitral valve insufficiency...who on 01-MAR-2007 was vaccinated IM into the left arm with a first does of Gardasil...On 01-MAR-2007 the patient presented to the ED with ventricular tachycardia and died."
      "28-Aug-2007: Initial and follow-up information has been received from a physician concerning an "otherwise healthy" 13 year old female who was vaccinated with her first and second doses of Gardasil. Subsequently, the patient experiencedÖparalysis from the chest down, lesions of the optic nerve...At the time of the report, the patient had not recovered."

"In light of this information, it is disturbing that state and local governments might mandate in any way this vaccine for young girls," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "These adverse reaction reports suggest the vaccine not only causes serious side effects, but might even be fatal."


Ok, no vaccine is safe, and as for any drugs, there are pro/cons, with much more pro than cons.

But I'll not insist now to get vaccinated with Gardasil. Seems to be for yound girls as well. So.


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