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Author Topic: The bizarre Dutch HIV case  (Read 1593 times)

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Offline zeb

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The bizarre Dutch HIV case
« on: August 23, 2007, 06:01:48 AM »
I reported earlier about the deliberate infection of men by injecting blood (it happened may 31, 2007). Here's an update (translation form an newspaper article):

Were they already HIV gays?

Source: Telegraaf
Date: August 22, 2007

AMSTERDAM - "Were they already hiv infected before they were drugged, raped and injected with hiv blood?" That's the most important question during this trial where three men from Groningen have to stand trial because they are suspected to have injected 12 gay men with hiv infected blood.

All the victims claim they have been healthy prior to the sex dates they arranged by using the web with Peter M. (49yo), Wim D. (48yo) and Hans J. (34yo). But will the court believe them?

In case the 12 infected men really were healthy before they fell into the claws of the infamous hiv trio, it can be proved by laboratory investigation, says professor Roel Coutinho PhD., director of the department of infectious diseases of the RIVM, and for years the AIDS expert of our country, with hundreds of scientific publications from his hand.

"It's possible to compare the viral strains of the victims and the suspects. If they are the same you can be for 98 to 99 percent sure that the victims are infected by the suspects."

But, if the 12 men already were infected prior to this contact, is it very hard to prove the suspects have infected them again with a different strain? "Then the situation is very complicated" admits Microbiologist Coutinho, co editor of the magazine Aids. "When these men already were hiv positive, it will be hard to find prove, it's technically very complicated to trace the injected strains because there are already viral strains present"

With this remark Coutinho formulates an escape route which the lawyers of the suspects might use. In that case it seems impossible to prove "an attempt to severe maltreatment" (one of the suspicions), and condemnation of the hiv trio seems to be as good as impossible.
The lawyers Fred Kappelhof and Lidewij Wachters who both do represent the victims have confiscated the houses, cars, bank accounts and other possessions of the suspects. Apart of their clients already suffers from serious health problems. "They all thought they had a severe flu when they attended their GP." All the victims already are on HAART. "Their lives are turned upside down. Some of them are already not able anymore to work". According to the two lawyers, the victims arranged a date, expecting to meet one of the suspects. "Then it turned out to be two or three men. It started in a friendly way, but with a glass of wine containing the rape drug GHB the victims got drugged, raped and aftrewards injected with contagious blood".

Too fast conclusions

At the law firm Anker & Anker, who represent suspect Peter M. they ware stunned by what the lawyers Kappelhof and Wachter said prior to the trial. Lawyers Wim Anker, who is responsible for the defense, together with his colleagues Professor Jan Boksem PhD. and Evert van der Meer, says: "It would have been better when they lawyers remained silent until we would have met in court. Our client is suddenly responsible for "twelve victims", This conclusion comes too soon. Officially the public prosecutor hasn't stated yet how many victims there really are."

Anker is  disturbed by the certainty the lawyers communicate by saying the infection of the victims is caused by the suspects, among which our client Peter M. "We lawyers wear black toga's not white doctor coats. The conclusion has to be made by doctors. An important question the lawyers seem to forget, is: is there a causal relation between the behaviour of the victims and the possible hiv infection by the suspects. The experts need to say something about this. It is possible that the infections have taken place before this infamous contact with the suspects."

This is also confirmed by AIDS expert Coutinho. "Not every injection with hiv blood leads 100% sure to infection", he says. "It depends on the amount of blood and the amount of virus in the blood. In general: the more blood, the bigger the chance of infection. But it strongly depends on the type of virus"

Anker: "I don't know the details of the lifestyles the victims have. But I can't exclude that they were possibly involved in unsafe and risky situations before, that leads to the possibility they were infected before and they were not infected on this occasion"

« Last Edit: August 23, 2007, 06:04:28 AM by zeb »

Offline carousel

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Re: The bizarre Dutch HIV case
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2007, 07:34:27 AM »
If it's not true, then you have to admire the ingenuity of the defence.   If it's true, then I can't understand why they would even try to prosecute them.

I can't really get in a tizz about the story.  There are plenty of freaks around, so some of them are bound to be HIV. 

Offline dixieman

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Re: The bizarre Dutch HIV case
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 04:10:32 PM »
I think all the prosecutors would have to prove is Intent... criminal intent whether the actual infection came from the three suspects injecting blood into the victims ... which they did so but, did the suspects actually infect them with hiv through the blood injections... but, was their intent to infect others  with hiv...  would be a crime in itself!


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