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Author Topic: my "mutation test" results are back. . .. .question. .. ..  (Read 4346 times)

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Offline audioholic

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Ok, i talked with my dr. and my mutation results came back. . . my virus is sensitive to everything so i shouldnt have any problems if i choose to go on meds. . . my first numbers were pretty good and he said i didnt have to go on meds any time soon unless i wanted to. . . . .     t4:418 vl: 29,918 . . . .  any advice? why should i go on meds? why shouldnt i?
4/07-  vl:28,918  cd4:418
7/07-  vl:38,710 cd4:354
10/07-  vl:21,320 cd4:278
baseline started meds 1/08 vl:25,589 cd4:247
2/08 vl:410 cd4:320
2/08 vl:380  cd4:374
3/08 vl:310  cd4:419   23%
3/08 vl:240  cd4:384   27%
4/08 vl:119  cd4:383   23%

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Re: my "mutation test" results are back. . .. .question. .. ..
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2007, 08:44:27 PM »
I personally think it's best to have an idea on how well your body is fighting by itself. Your numbers are good and I would wait two other tests to see what's up. I started at 432/57K, second test was 399/27K, so I want to wait the 3rd test. I see no urgency. Other more experienced people will chime in, i'm sure.


/edited to add: do you have your % numbers?/
« Last Edit: May 16, 2007, 08:46:15 PM by milker »
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Offline audioholic

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Re: my "mutation test" results are back. . .. .question. .. ..
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 04:56:58 PM »
any other advice? comments? anything? id really like some feedback. . . . . definately. . .
4/07-  vl:28,918  cd4:418
7/07-  vl:38,710 cd4:354
10/07-  vl:21,320 cd4:278
baseline started meds 1/08 vl:25,589 cd4:247
2/08 vl:410 cd4:320
2/08 vl:380  cd4:374
3/08 vl:310  cd4:419   23%
3/08 vl:240  cd4:384   27%
4/08 vl:119  cd4:383   23%

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Re: my "mutation test" results are back. . .. .question. .. ..
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 05:37:38 PM »
there are different opinions out there.  Some feel you shouldn't start meds until your CD4 count drops bellow the 300's if I am not mistaken.  Others advocate starting right away.
I think what you should look at is the ration and percentage of the viral load.  Your CD4 will go up and down even after meds, so I don't think you should use it as a guide for starting meds.
Personally, I started meds before the virus had a chance to impair any of my natural immune system.  I've been POZ for 10yrs and so far no a single HIV related infection or illness.
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Re: my "mutation test" results are back. . .. .question. .. ..
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 06:42:19 PM »
Hey Poz

In deciding to go on meds you are basically balancing up two factors:

1. PROTECTING YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM: By going on medication, your VL will fall and your CD4 will be able to rebound. The current guidelines in most places recommend starting somewhere between a CD4 of 200-350. Below 200 and you become vulnerable to opportunistic infections. There is no proven evidence that starting above 350 is beneficial, that I am aware of. But some people are beginning to think that "hit hard, hit early" may offer people who do so a better chance of cure down the line - there's a study going on at NIH which is giving that a try now.

2. BEING ON MEDICATION: Obviously taking medication every day for the rest of your life is a big decision. Are you personally ready for it? And although the meds have become a lot kinder, they still have short- and long-term side effects. By delaying treatment until you absolutely have to, you reduce the risks of these side effects, but you're balancing that all the time against (1).

I was diagnosed shortly after seroconversion, and I decided to wait and see what my numbers did. After my acute illness, the trend was up and hasn't peaked yet, 18 months later. To be honest, I'd rather not take drugs until I have to. There are studies going on to better pinpoint when is "best'. Personally I think I'll start around 350-400 until studies show something different - it's not really scientific, but it's where I feel comfortable - 200 plus some spares!

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26/1/06 - 860 (22%), VL > 500,000
24/4/06 - 820 (24.6%), VL 158,000
13/7/06 - 840 (22%), VL 268,000
1/11/06 - 680 (21%), VL 93,100
29/1/07 - 1,020 (27.5%), VL 46,500
15/5/07 - 1,140 (22.8%), VL not done.
13/10/07 - 759 (23.2%), VL 170,000
6/11/07 - 630 (25%), VL 19,324
14/1/08 - 650 (21%), VL 16,192
15/4/08 - 590 (21%), VL 40, 832


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