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Title: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on January 27, 2020, 02:54:13 pm
Note:

The coronavirus outbreak continues to be a hot topic, as such, I have merged all related threads into this single sticky post.

I will continue to merge any new threads regarding the virus, this effort is not only to avoid duplication but also to ensure people who want to discuss it can and, with the latest information.

Additionally, this means that members who are finding the topic particularly distressing or those wishing to take a break from COVID-19 news can and aren't confronted with dozens of separate threads across the forum.

Finally, a small ask to please be additionally mindful and patient with each other during these times and to stay away and refrain from sharing unofficial/unreliable news sources or sensationalized media. Thank you.



To find the latest updates POZ.com has continuing coronavirus coverage specifically for people living with HIV here: https://www.poz.com/tag/coronavirus

Few valuable links.

What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

What People With Liver Disease Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://forums.hepmag.com/index.php?topic=5923.msg

What People With Cancer Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://forums.cancerhealth.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=ibjpe9dlg3s2830amd0ob84307&topic=153.msg



Experts shed light on coronavirus response and its implications for people with HIV
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2020/experts-shed-light-coronavirus-response-and-its-implications-people-hiv

https://www.bhiva.org/BHIVA-and-THT-statement-on-COVID-19-and-advice-for-the-extremely-vulnerable

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In summary:
1. People with CD4 >200 and undetectable on ART are considered at no greater risk than the general population; follow general advice.

2. People with CD4 <200, detectable viral load or not on ART may be at higher risk of severe illness; follow general advice.

3. People with a CD4 count <50 or opportunistic illness in last 6 months; follow shielding advice for extremely vulnerable.

UNAIDS.

https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/presscentre/featurestories/2020/march/20200312_covid-19

AIDSMAP.
http://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/coronavirus-covid-19-and-hiv

POZ.COM
https://www.poz.com/article/covid19-advice-people-hiv-experts-know




Thanks to @Loa111

COVID-19 Facts - Dr. & Professor Paddy Mallon
https://youtu.be/1CsAeuFAPy4

Thanks to @Marcanthony

For people in the UK who are worried; HIV Scotland has set up a helpline, that you can access all across the UK. The number is 0131 558 3713 open mon-fri 10am-6pm. https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/coronavirus-helpline-hiv-positive
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: MitchMiller on January 28, 2020, 12:19:47 am
This thing seems to be spreading pretty fast.  There are now over 4500 cases reported, and likely many more that are unreported.  Given viral infection rates are exponential, in a month, there could be millions infected. 

I believe there were about 2500 cases reported three days ago, now 4515.  Using a power of 2, in another three days, the reported cases would rise to over 9000, and from there by a power of 2 every three days until it peaks.  Hopefully it will peak soon.

China is reporting 20% of reported cases are in critical condition.  I'm assuming that means they are hospitalized.  I hope the Trump administration is preparing for what could happen. 

There's a small trial ongoing to see if Kaletra can be used to treat the virus.

I'm experiencing a dry cough as I write this.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: MitchMiller on January 28, 2020, 12:45:34 am
I just checked an online pharmacy and Kaletra is out of stock. 

I'm wondering if any of the other HIV drugs have any effect.  I would guess another protease inhibitor might.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on January 28, 2020, 01:28:35 am
So our meds work against other viral infections then. Just like I saw somewhere that aspirin acts as a mild antiviral (or it was something else idk).
It is amazing how good our meds today are. Hopefully they get over this virus quick.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on January 28, 2020, 01:33:45 am
Good preparations from the hospitals part is very important as well.
So far,in Greece (where I am from),we haven't had any cases,just some common cold/flu cases. Hopefully China and other places who have minor cases get this under control.
I also think the media is creating a lot of panic towards this topic and they don't try to inform people on how to better protect themselves when they go to a hospital.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on January 28, 2020, 07:42:32 am
aspirin acts as a mild antiviral (or it was something else idk)
Aspirin was found to be highly effective against influenza A H1N1 virus. The antiviral activity against further respiratory RNA viruses was less distinct. Respiratory syncytial virus was minimally inhibited. However, the activity of aspirin against rhinoviruses was more pronounced. Aspirin demonstrated antiviral activity against all human rhinoviruses (HRV), but the effect on members of the "major group" viruses, namely HRV14 and HRV39, was greater than on those of the "minor group," HRV1A and HRV2
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27542891

Acyclovir is another antiviral, used to treat infections caused by herpes viruses, such as genital herpes, cold sores, shingles, and chicken pox, that also works (somewhat) against HIV
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: OneTampa on February 02, 2020, 05:16:09 pm
Interesting About HIV Meds Used for Cure Info Links:

https://www.dailysabah.com/health/2020/02/02/thailand-cures-coronavirus-with-anti-hiv-drug-cocktail-in-48-hours

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/cocktail-of-flu-hiv/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1234988/Coronavirus-cure-HIV-drugs-China-virus-infection-lopinavir-ritonavir-coronavirus-news
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: MadDog125 on February 02, 2020, 06:09:11 pm
Well apparently yet more medical issues are being solved based on HIV studies.  It really is the Gordian knot of medical science.  Apparently the corona virus and the influenza virus are having their replication process screwed by HIV ARVs.

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/health/doctors-cure-coronavirus-patient-using-hiv-wonder-drugs-1.970084
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on February 02, 2020, 07:41:54 pm
Are they still testing to see if the job meds really did the job? Or is it confirmed besides just one person getting cured?
Hopefully they get rid of this virus quickly before it spreads all around the world.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on February 03, 2020, 06:58:14 am
Meant hiv meds and not "job meds" 😅. This autocorrect is killing me haha.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on February 26, 2020, 08:47:02 pm
Guys... everything is just fine, our president has put mike pence in charge. With his proven record fighting viral outbreaks, we can count on him to protect us
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on February 26, 2020, 10:14:10 pm
Guys... everything is just fine, our president has put mike pence in charge. With his proven record fighting viral outbreaks, we can count on him to protect us


 ;D
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on February 27, 2020, 03:30:51 pm

Speaking of the incompetent robotic pence :

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ocasio-cortez-knocks-pence-utterly-irresponsible-to-put-him-in-charge-of-us-coronavirus-response/ar-BB10tK6y?li=BBnb7Kz

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leads-coronavirus-response-pence-criticized-handling-hiv-outbreak/story?id=69255588

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) criticized Vice President Pence hours after President Trump said he would be putting him in charge of the administration's response to the spread of the new coronavirus known as COVID-19.

"Mike Pence literally does not believe in science," she tweeted on Wednesday night. "It is utterly irresponsible to put him in charge of US coronavirus response as the world sits on the cusp of a pandemic. This decision could cost people their lives. Pence's past decisions already have."

She also took aim at Pence's handling of an HIV outbreak in Indiana during his time as governor of the state in another tweet, saying: "As governor, Pence's science denial contributed to one of the worst HIV outbreaks in Indiana's history."

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on February 29, 2020, 10:39:41 am
Hey Guys

As the situation around the globe ramps up, it seems inevitable that COVID-19 is going to turn pandemic. Most scientists and health professions believe it is a case of when and not if now. Mortality rates are similar to those witnessed in general influenza but what makes this different is the rate of transmission. We are dealing with a highly contagious virus.

Being poz, I can’t help but feel somewhat nervous about what’s round the corner. Whether we like it or not, we are immune compromised, despite the advances we’ve made in treating HIV. We are therefore one of the groups that are vulnerable as well as those with diabetes, asthma, etc.

What do people think?

I’m not trying to scare anyone but interested in hearing peoples opinions on how the HIV population should be dealing with this and what are your thoughts about our chances of survival compared to the general population?

Sorry to sound so apocalyptic but it’s a little tense out there.

Delby x
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CR2016 on February 29, 2020, 02:15:50 pm
Just yesterday i thoght about that. In México was found 2 or 3 diagnosed; one of them in the state where im living. It´s worrying, i have not found info about impact in people with our conditios (POZ); i really dont know if all POZ are immunologically very suceptible or not. I would like to believe that by being under ARV regime we can be at the level of any non-POZ person. In dont really know yet, but we must be calm but not careless in the general advices.
regards and we´ll wait for any info about.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on February 29, 2020, 04:04:47 pm
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I’m not trying to scare anyone but interested in hearing peoples opinions on how the HIV population should be dealing with this and what are your thoughts about our chances of survival compared to the general population?

How to deal with it, the same as the rest of the population deals with it, if you ask me. Minus the paranoia seen in some folks prehaps.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: TabooPrincess on February 29, 2020, 04:13:52 pm
Are your meds or not?! If yes then give over worrying. If no then get on em. Simples.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: tryingtostay on March 01, 2020, 12:07:23 am
Well put Delby. 

I hope this doesn't turn into the tiresome two groups of people arguing back n forth but ends up being productive.  Not all of us are in the same compartment of the boat.  Some of us have a low CD4 count while others have numbers of a negative person.

This is also concerning to me.  I'm here to understand more.  I don't think I have incites on this other than to become familiar and aware with where it's spreading, reading world health organization pages on the coronavirus, and what precautions to take.  I don't believe it's fully understood at this point so being proactive isn't a bad idea.  I mean they are saying it can be contagious if you are within 6' of a carrier.  What about if you are 7' from a carrier, so then are we safe?  I'm not underestimating their word for it.  We are all here from not being diligent in protecting ourselves from one virus.   If that doesn't give us something to reflect on then what will?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Texland on March 01, 2020, 01:13:08 am
One thing to protect ourselves is get the pneumonia vaccine, if you haven't had it yet. There are two different vaccines, the Prevnar 13 and the Pneumovax 23. The Pneumovax covers more strains of bacteria than the Prevnar 13.

There may be different versions of these outside the US.
Reports from China say most of the Coronavirus patients who died, died from pneumonia.

If you haven't already had the pneumonia vaccine, get it yesterday!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 01, 2020, 02:51:46 am
Well put Delby. 

I hope this doesn't turn into the tiresome two groups of people arguing back n forth but ends up being productive.  Not all of us are in the same compartment of the boat.  Some of us have a low CD4 count while others have numbers of a negative person.

This is also concerning to me.  I'm here to understand more.  I don't think I have incites on this other than to become familiar and aware with where it's spreading, reading world health organization pages on the coronavirus, and what precautions to take.  I don't believe it's fully understood at this point so being proactive isn't a bad idea.  I mean they are saying it can be contagious if you are within 6' of a carrier.  What about if you are 7' from a carrier, so then are we safe?  I'm not underestimating their word for it.  We are all here from not being diligent in protecting ourselves from one virus.   If that doesn't give us something to reflect on then what will?

I don't think it's going to be two groups arguing, and being proactive is a nice idea but Low CD4's or not, short of self-isolation or contact avoidance, there is not much to do besides using common sense. The suggestion of making sure you have been vaccinated for pneumonia by Tex is, is not a bad idea.

The 3 feet, 6 inches or 7 inches thoughts, it only really applies when you are around someone who knows they have the virus, so caring for someone otherwise why would you knowingly be around someone with the virus. Practically speaking, considering incubation periods and all, I can't go outside and simple demand or avoid coming within 3 feet of any person, so I see no point in stressing about that when I do need to go out for shopping etc. 

BTW here is what WHO current says.
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

Protection measures for everyone
Stay aware of the latest information on the COVID-19 outbreak, available on the WHO website and through your national and local public health authority. COVID-19 is still affecting mostly people in China with some outbreaks in other countries. Most people who become infected experience mild illness and recover, but it can be more severe for others.

Take care of your health and protect others by doing the following:

* Regularly and thoroughly clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water. Why? Washing your hands with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands.

*Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Why? When someone coughs or sneezes they spray small liquid droplets from their nose or mouth which may contain virus. If you are too close, you can breathe in the droplets, including the COVID-19 virus if the person coughing has the disease.

*Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth.
Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick.

*Make sure you, and the people around you, follow good respiratory hygiene. This means covering your mouth and nose with your bent elbow or tissue when you cough or sneeze. Then dispose of the used tissue immediately. Why? Droplets spread virus. By following good respiratory hygiene you protect the people around you from viruses such as cold, flu and COVID-19.

*Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.
Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.

*Stay informed on the latest developments about COVID-19. Follow advice given by your healthcare provider, your national and local public health authority or your employer on how to protect yourself and others from COVID-19. Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on whether COVID-19 is spreading in your area. They are best placed to advise on what people in your area should be doing to protect themselves.

Protection measures for persons who are in or have recently visited (past 14 days) areas where COVID-19 is spreading

*Follow the guidance outlined above. (Protection measures for everyone)

*Stay at home if you begin to feel unwell, even with mild symptoms such as headache and slight runny nose, until you recover. Why? Avoiding contact with others and visits to medical facilities will allow these facilities to operate more effectively and help protect you and others from possible COVID-19 and other viruses.

*If you develop fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical advice promptly as this may be due to a respiratory infection or other serious condition. Call in advance and tell your provider of any recent travel or contact with travelers.  Why? Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also help to prevent possible spread of COVID-19 and other viruses.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 01, 2020, 03:25:33 am
BTW we have three of these threads.

I will have a look this afternoon but might just merge them and make this a sticky post for the time being as it seems to a hot topic for people.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on March 01, 2020, 08:26:40 am
One thing to protect ourselves is get the pneumonia vaccine, if you haven't had it yet. There are two different vaccines, the Prevnar 13 and the Pneumovax 23. The Pneumovax covers more strains of bacteria than the Prevnar 13.

There may be different versions of these outside the US.
Reports from China say most of the Coronavirus patients who died, died from pneumonia.

If you haven't already had the pneumonia vaccine, get it yesterday!

Yeah right  ::)
.....there is NO vaccine (yet) for the Corona COVID-19 virus ...period !
You gan go get all the available pneumonia vaccines available...but they won't do shit to protect you from this specific virus.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on March 01, 2020, 10:29:00 am
Nothing we can do except wear mask & wash hand as much as possible.
cannot be wearing a "space suit" when leaving house.
Unless you are living or visiting a location where there is "cluster infection" there is no point to be "worry", life has to go on.

China, North Italy, South Korea, Iran, Ship at Yokohama shd be avoided.
Rest world - https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/asia/coronavirus-cases-worldwide-intl-hnk/index.html

death rate = around 2% & most is elderly. My country have 35M people with 29 cases. So basically this can give you the odds % one will die (IF i get the virus)

What about visit hospital... for the pass 2 weeks, i enter at 7-8am & leave 9-10pm.
Can't be worrying as mother is there. Dr dont even wear mask.

While i go on my normal routine, i hope a vaccine come fast, like within this year.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 01, 2020, 10:32:53 am
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You gan go get all the available pneumonia vaccines available...but they won't do shit to protect you from this specific virus.

No, but it's never a bad idea to be vaccinated against what you can, deaths from flu & pneumonia didn't stop because of Corona COVID-19 ;)

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Nothing we can do except wear mask & wash hand as much as possible.
cannot be wearing a "space suit" when leaving house.
Unless you are living or visiting a location where there is "cluster infection" there is no point to be "worry", life has to go on.

We really could do with a like button on the forum.

I'll be honest at the moment I'm still more worried about seasonal flu killing me off then anything else
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on March 01, 2020, 11:05:20 am
Just some latest updates for the search for a vaccine.
Poz community should "happy" & not worry as ART is being use as trials drugs for Covid-19

theguardian.com/science/2020/feb/20/doctors-hiv-ebola-drugs-coronavirus-cure-covid-19
https://www.amfar.org/corona/
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/health/coronavirus-vaccine-and-treatment-development/index.html
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Pirata on March 01, 2020, 12:02:16 pm
Well I was reading about thr virus and HIV and it seems the treatment with HIV medications is working, so probably we are going to be in a good position if that is confirmed.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Texland on March 01, 2020, 02:39:22 pm
Yeah right  ::)
.....there is NO vaccine (yet) for the Corona COVID-19 virus ...period !
You gan go get all the available pneumonia vaccines available...but they won't do shit to protect you from this specific virus.

Correct, there is not currently a vaccine for Covid-19.
Pneumonia is a serious secondary complication of being ill with Covid-19. If a patient can prevent getting pneumonia, their chance of recovery are much improved.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on March 01, 2020, 02:46:13 pm
Yeah right  ::)
.....there is NO vaccine (yet) for the Corona COVID-19 virus ...period !
You gan go get all the available pneumonia vaccines available...but they won't do shit to protect you from this specific virus.

Reckless and irresponsible hot take there grasshopper,  pneumonia vaccine absolutely is beneficial in this outbreak

Let's all remain calm, keep things in perspective. We already live with the most feared virus in modern times... no need to pile on
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 02, 2020, 08:09:06 am

We have our first known cases here in Florida.  One case in Hillsborough county,( Which is the Tampa area), and the other in Manatee county.

The first case was someone that had traveled to Italy, and the second case they believe was contracted within the community.

News conference is scheduled in a couple hours.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/03/02/florida-coronavirus-cases

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 02, 2020, 12:12:06 pm
We have only 8 people with it,but I live in an island,so nothing on my island yet.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 04, 2020, 04:27:59 am
As the coronavirus outbreak continues to be a hot topic, I have merged the threads and created this sticky post in the "Living with HIV" section.

POZ.com also has coronavirus coverage specifically for people living with HIV
https://www.poz.com/tag/coronavirus

This includes the article "What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus"

https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

Best, Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CR2016 on March 04, 2020, 11:39:04 am
Thanks Jim again for the info.
It´s so important as POZ members to consider the most importants care, as the rest of no POZ population. We must be careful about our general health (mentally, physically) for fighting as normally if we get this or another illness.
Saludos, mil gracias.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 04, 2020, 04:46:49 pm
Yeah it's getting a bit dangerous here as well. The Island will be isolated for the next 48 hours because there have been confirmed cases in the mainland,which is an hour away on ferry.
Hopefully this goes away quickly with the warmth of the weather....
Also,thanks for the info as well!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on March 04, 2020, 06:15:09 pm
goes away quickly with the warmth of the weather.
unfortunately weather doesn't have anything to do with it.
(oh, and please don't listen to our President about any of this LOL ;) )
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 04, 2020, 07:33:49 pm
Well,at least that's.what people say haha. Don't tell me it's another "blow a nuclear bomb in the atmosphere to make the ozon layer disappear" kind of thing hehe.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on March 04, 2020, 08:43:09 pm
the only way that weather is related to any flu is that when it's cold outside people stay indoors more (i.e. closer contact to more people) and communicable disease rates (transmission) increase.

unfortunately our American President seems to understand little about health care. He thinks the "heat" of Spring will kill it off. He believes that a vaccine could be ready in weeks. He doesn't understand the difference between vaccines and cures. He doesn't understand that less access to health care (testing and treatment) WILL lead to furthering an epidemic not ending an epidemic.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 05, 2020, 10:54:23 am
Thanks Jim again for the info.

De nada
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 05, 2020, 11:02:09 am
It's a general belief here as well,that warm weather gets rid of the flu.
Anyways,I hope everyone else is doing ok.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on March 05, 2020, 03:33:07 pm
It's a general belief here as well,that warm weather gets rid of the flu.
a lot of people believe the old wives' tale that going outside in the cold weather with wet hair leads to having a cold. However, a cold is a virus (rhinovirus) that people catch by being exposed to a person infected with the virus. The weather has nothing to do with it.....except in cold weather, more people are inside more and in more contact with other people, and hence the rhinovirus is exposed to more people in the winter than in the summer. coincidence is not causation. Fewer people are sicker in warm weather because so many people aren't stuck in their houses with sick people  ;)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: joemutt on March 06, 2020, 03:54:49 am
this is scientifically sound, non-panicky advise from the ever-pioneering institute for tropical medicine in antwerp, belgium.

https://www.itg.be/E/Article/coronavirus-impact-on-people-living-with-hiv
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: guitargal on March 06, 2020, 04:21:00 am
My new doc asked me about my pneumonia  vaccine.  I moved around a lot and some of my records are not clear. I know I had at least one pneumonia  vaccine  back in the late 1990s.

Should I call and get another this week?
She said something about getting it at 65 years old, but i think that is if i am up to date.

I am 58.

Getting worried about the Corona virus.
I don't  go out much, but have been delivering groceries a few times a day for Instacart. So am in public.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 06, 2020, 04:34:24 am
Well, it can't hurt to at least have another conversation with them about this. You say the doc asked but did the doc also make any recommendation?

As far as I was aware and looking at the CDC chart revaccination for PLHIV is recommended ≥ 5 years after the first dose PPSV23, it sounds like you did not have that, if you only had 1 shot.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/pneumo/downloads/pneumo-vaccine-timing.pdf
Table 1, page 4
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: JosephP on March 06, 2020, 09:10:50 am
I have been a bit worried about the Coronavirus and my hiv!! I had labs done on 02/25 (already scheduled since last year) and CD4 came in at 814 and UD. I just went to my infectious disease doctor who told me that I need not to worry about the Corona and HIV together... Just take the precautions the CDC has is put in place and continue life as normal. There is no need to panic. I feel reassured but, nonetheless, worried!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: JosephP on March 06, 2020, 09:14:05 am
unfortunately our American President seems to understand little about health care. He thinks the "heat" of Spring will kill it off. He believes that a vaccine could be ready in weeks. He doesn't understand the difference between vaccines and cures. He doesn't understand that less access to health care (testing and treatment) WILL lead to furthering an epidemic not ending an epidemic.

Ain't that the truth. He is oblivious.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 06, 2020, 10:08:09 am
It's getting even more dangerous now in Greece,from 7 in a short amount of time infections went up to 40. Also,in my island particularly,there are 4 confirmed cases so I will try to take more care now and try not to go out much....
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 06, 2020, 10:22:37 am
I continue to remain worried as well. It seems that whilst some are saying if you are UD and on treatment, then we should be ok. Other reports suggest it is far too early to know how it will affect us, such as this article:

https://www.itg.be/E/Article/coronavirus-impact-on-people-living-with-hiv

I'm really scared to be honest.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 06, 2020, 02:06:47 pm
Sorry to hear that you are scared, that's a shit feeling to be living with.

The article I have to say has no added value whatsoever, the same can be said about the ITG one.  Any idiot including myself could have written that within 5 mins.

Yes, some things are unknown, however, there is no evidence currently that with a good CD4 count as a group we are more or less vulnerable than anyone else at this stage, besides, even if we worst-case scenario we are more vulnerable, there is not much practically we can do about it aides from basic risk avoidance and hygiene. 

Living with HIV has taught me one thing, I refuse to live in fear, it's a waste.  Regarding the "what if's" well "If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?"  ;D
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 06, 2020, 02:33:11 pm
I just went to my infectious disease doctor who told me that I need not to worry about the Corona and HIV together... Just take the precautions the CDC has is put in place and continue life as normal. There is no need to panic. I feel reassured but, nonetheless, worried!

Well worth repeating
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: harleymc on March 06, 2020, 08:47:43 pm
I will continue to do my public facing job, I will continue to catch the train to work.

If I get sy.ptoms I will get tested and self isolate if indicated, but not otherwise.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 07, 2020, 10:43:10 am
There seems to be a lot of conflicting opinions out there. This article suggests exactly that:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240962946.html
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 07, 2020, 11:00:52 am
I'm not seeing much conflict in what you posted, it's basically a similar story line for flu season, some highlights of what is known so far and a summary of immunocompromised groups. Nothing new.

It's true there is plenty of misinformation and speculation being presented as facts or data online, my advice stick to reading from official or trusted sources and ignore the rest. End of the day asides from using common sense, there is not much you can do about this viral outbreak and there is no point getting worked up about someones opinions or speculations.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 07, 2020, 11:33:12 am
Thanks Jim. You’re a great guy as you always take time to reply to everyone. We’re lucky to have you.

By conflict, I meant there are some sources that suggest we are more susceptible to having severe symptoms and others suggest we are at no greater risk. I just have a really bad feeling about this and feel like this could and is essentially the end of me. I appreciate it sounds very final but I just don’t fancy my chances against this thing.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 07, 2020, 11:49:28 am
You're welcome.

My take on all this so far is some sources to be blunt are taking out of their backsides, as always. Drama sells clicks or papers.  ;)

Look there is factually nothing to suggest with a good CD4 count and UD viral load as a group we are more or less vulnerable so far for this virus. Those with untreated HIV or low CD4 counts might well be, that's, however, is also speculation based on the fact the same can be said about many illnesses, so realistically there is so far nothing new in that regards to report.

I do understand the concern, I hear you, but try to take some time out from reading this stuff online as it will rot your brain.

Best, Jim

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 09, 2020, 10:24:14 am
Since HIV is not the only condition people might be living with and worried about in regards to the Coronavirus I'm adding the below links.

What People With Liver Disease Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://forums.hepmag.com/index.php?topic=5923.msg

What People With Cancer Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://forums.cancerhealth.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=ibjpe9dlg3s2830amd0ob84307&topic=153.msg

Best, Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Texland on March 10, 2020, 03:33:12 am
This article make me glad I found someone to take care of the regular medical stuff. My last two HIV docs didn't care about my high blood pressure. The new general practice doctor couldn't believe I wasn't on blood pressure medication. Now I am. Get your blood pressure checked and under control!

Anything we can do to stay healthy will help in the long run.


Top Coronavirus Doctor in Wuhan Says High Blood Pressure Is Major Death Risk

Patients with hypertension appear to be at a higher risk of dying from the coronavirus, said a top Chinese intensive care doctor who’s been treating critically ill patients since mid-January.

While there’s been no published research yet explaining why, Chinese doctors working in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the virus first emerged, have noticed that infected patients with that underlying illness are more likely to slip into severe distress and die.

Of a group of 170 patients who died in January in Wuhan -- the first wave of casualties caused by a pathogen that’s now raced around the world -- nearly half had hypertension.

“That’s a very high ratio,” said Du Bin, director of the intensive care unit at Peking Union Medical College Hospital, in an interview with Bloomberg over the phone from Wuhan. He was among a team of top doctors sent to the devastated city two months ago to help treat patients there.

“From what I was told by other doctors and the data I can see myself, among all the underlying diseases, hypertension is a key dangerous factor,” said Du, one of the most respected critical care experts in China. “Though there is no research published on that yet, we believe hypertension could be an important factor in causing patients to deteriorate, leading to a bad prognosis.”


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/top-virus-doctor-says-high-blood-pressure-is-major-death-risk

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 11, 2020, 03:49:05 pm
I've been going out normally,but I try to keep away from enclosed places. What I'm worried about is that my dad doesn't care much and he goes to the betting place to watch matches (champion's league) 😑......
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on March 12, 2020, 12:24:23 am
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-12-20-intl-hnk/index.html
US suspends travel from Europe: President Trump announced Wednesday night that travel from 26 European countries will be suspended for the next 30 days, starting Friday at midnight.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 13, 2020, 11:35:41 am
Hiya,

Been a bit busy here since the Irish government announcement, got the kids at home.
But otherwise okay.

Irish government made the following announcement:

“From 6pm today, the following measures are being put in place. They will stay in place until March 29th. Schools, colleges, and childcare facilities will close from tomorrow. Where possible, teaching will be done online or remotely. Cultural institutions will close. Our advice is that all indoor mass gatherings of more than 100 people and outdoor mass gatherings of more than 500 people should be cancelled. Arrangements are being made to ensure that everyone entering Ireland through our ports and airports is fully informed and self-isolates if they develop symptoms. You should continue to go to work if you can but where possible should work from home. In order to reduce unnecessary face to face interaction in the workplace, break times and working times should be staggered and meetings done remotely or by phone.”

https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/5a280b-statement-by-an-taoiseach-on-measures-to-tackle-covid-19-washington/


 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: OneTampa on March 13, 2020, 11:50:58 am
(https://i.imgur.com/3yXlo8z.png)

Want everyone to be safe.

Yet it is very interesting witnessing the various reactions to the virus.

Fact and Fiction are in the ring dueling it out too.

Links:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html

https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/corona-virus

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/minnesota/articles/2020-03-12/health-department-covid-19-cases-in-minnesota-grow-to-9



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 13, 2020, 02:19:00 pm
Jim, we’re behind you in the UK. BJ doesn’t seem to think it’s a good idea to close schools. One of the parents of my child’s class has come down with Covid. Likely now that my child has it. Seems that no one will escape this virus.

How you doing? How’s everyone feeling? Are you nervous Jim?

All the reports seem to suggest that we are only marginally worse off than the general population or maybe not even that. What do you think?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: tryingtostay on March 13, 2020, 02:49:05 pm
"Scientists figure out how new coronavirus breaks into human cells"

https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-infects-cells.html

I speculate Drugs and or a Vaccine is a long ways away.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 13, 2020, 02:53:34 pm
Hiya,

Small correction to your post.

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BJ doesn’t seem to think

Have you ever watched old episodes of "Have I got news for you"? The man is incapable of intelligent thought  ;D That said 52% of the voters are in the same group, but at least the NHS has 350 million extra per week to fight this pandemic ...  ;D

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How you doing? How’s everyone feeling? Are you nervous Jim?

I'm fine thanks and no. I'm not more or less nervous than normal. Panicking or worrying about it is not going to solve anything so I am just getting on with my life.

Washing my hands more often though and staying clear of large gatherings, that's about as much as anyone can do.

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One of the parents of my child’s class has come down with Covid. Likely now that my child has it. Seems that no one will escape this virus.

Sorry to hear that and understand it's scary, however, try not to let panic thoughts take over. Realistically in the UK & Ireland, we are all going to know someone who has or has had it by the time this is over, there is no avoiding it.

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All the reports seem to suggest that we are only marginally worse off than the general population or maybe not even that. What do you think?

I still think the same I did last week, like with other infections, those with untreated HIV or with low CD4 counts might fall into a group with slightly higher risk. There is not much that individuals can do other than the normal hygiene steps and social distancing. 

The rest of us, well there is factually nothing to suggest with a good CD4 count and UD viral load as a group we are more or less vulnerable so far for this virus. It also depends if individuals have other underlying health issues. Anyhow, the same precautions apply, normal hygiene steps and social distancing during this outbreak like everyone should be doing.
 
BTW

UPDATED: What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

Experts shed light on coronavirus response and its implications for people with HIV
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2020/experts-shed-light-coronavirus-response-and-its-implications-people-hiv
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 13, 2020, 03:15:03 pm
"Scientists figure out how new coronavirus breaks into human cells"

https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-infects-cells.html

I speculate Drugs and or a Vaccine is a long ways away.

Funny you mention it, Christian Lindmeier, World Health Organization was on the radio today. About 11 mins into the recording he joins the conversation and talks about infection rates, vaccines, drugs ect etc.

https://www.facebook.com/NiallBoylanAtNight/videos/642101239691552/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARBvOrKn85GRXuAYFQ-_UJuCqPm3bZ60uLDVdMyY0OtBg_ZR0_ifdgVHEWUpo0_NPCsYYSXMWv0nFtQx
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 13, 2020, 04:14:58 pm
TRUMP DECLARES NATIONAL EMERGENCY:

What happened to trumps "Big Hoax" on the virus .  >:(

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-hold-friday-afternoon-press-conference-coronavirus-n1157981
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 13, 2020, 05:20:48 pm
He seems to be demagogic and wants to seem almighty and powerful. He doesn't seem to understand that it's a pandemic and he should be worried and make preparations for the whole country.
People in Greece have gone mental (except the island I live in,because the 4 people that have the virus are stationary) and emptied all the rubbing alcohol from the stores,now I don't have any to put on my earing .
Some idiot politician here tried to telemarket some snake oil to "cure" the thing and he was charged (he is also a politician in the parliament). We are living epic times here.....
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 13, 2020, 05:53:23 pm
He seems to be demagogic and wants to seem almighty and powerful. He doesn't seem to understand that it's a pandemic and he should be worried and make preparations for the whole country.
People in Greece have gone mental (except the island I live in,because the 4 people that have the virus are stationary) and emptied all the rubbing alcohol from the stores,now I don't have any to put on my earing .
Some idiot politician here tried to telemarket some snake oil to "cure" the thing and he was charged (he is also a politician in the parliament). We are living epic times here.....

During times of crisis or at least heightened excitement, you will always have morons making noise and people who try to profit from the situation.

Just don't get swept up in their drama  ;)

P.S
Talking about drama, This week I've watched: 

Zombieland, Zombieland double-tap, Dawn of the Dead, Shaun of the Dead, 28 days later, 28 weeks later, 2012, World war z and for good measure, Dallas buyers club, Outbreak, Quarantine 2008

So things could be worse, anyhow i'm ready to survive this.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 14, 2020, 04:10:21 am
I love zombieland! You should watch "The coherence",it creeps the sh$t out of me,but it's a really good movie!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 14, 2020, 07:15:11 am
I don’t know how any of you have got the head for those types of movies. I’m happy watching mindless crap at the moment! Jim you’re a brave man!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 12:38:47 pm
I don’t know how any of you have got the head for those types of movies. I’m happy watching mindless crap at the moment! Jim you’re a brave man!

Well could be worse, Zombie movies are fine, Old Yeller, on the other hand, I watched once and was traumatized for life.  ;D

I love zombieland! You should watch "The coherence",it creeps the sh$t out of me,but it's a really good movie!

Ill have to give it a try this week. Ill let you know.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 12:39:54 pm
Not much of an update here on the virus

Government advises against non-essential travel to six European countries
https://www.thejournal.ie/government-advises-against-non-essential-travel-to-six-european-countries-5046603-Mar2020/

How is everyone else doing? Hope you are all safe.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CaveyUK on March 14, 2020, 02:13:35 pm
So in the UK we are still seemingly following the deeply flawed approach of gunning for  'herd immunity', which in a nutshell is that the virus will die off if enough % of the population are immune to it (so it struggles to spread) so you accept that lots of people will get the virus, but recommend strategies that make it more likely that the fittest, healthiest people are the ones that do and develop immunity, thus protecting the weaker or less healthy.

When someone brighter than I explain it, it sounds almost viable.

But the flaws and assumptions are huge :

 - Assumes infection will lead to immunity. (There are reports from Asia in people being re-infected)
 - Assumes there is no viralogic mutation, such as there is with the flu each year
 - Assumes that a sufficient % of people will have the desired effect (There are many illnesses where we didn't develop herd immunity for...smallpox?)

It's so obviously not going to wash longer term, so expect our policy to change in the coming days, and for us to go into lock-down. It's what everyone expects, hence the worst thing about this whole saga so far - the sheer greed and selfishness of people buying stuff at the supermarket. Really depressing. So much for the wartime spirit!

A contributor on a podcast I listen to regularly (Remainiacs) yesterday expressed how depressing it is to not have faith or trust in a Prime Minister or Government at a time like this, when you *want* to be able to trust them without question. The whole Brexit debacle and Johnson's habit of continually lying and spinning to meet his own political ambition, regardless of how much it will fuck the country up longer term, has made any of that trust - at least to many of us in the 48% - impossible.

I personally think the scary unknown bit is not about HIV (as we have said, if UD with CD4's in normal range, we are no more at risk than the general population), but is about (a) how long this will last until we see a true peak and return to normal and (b) how those in our families and living around us DO have risks that make the virus far more dangerous, and what we can do as community representatives to help keep them as safe as possible, even if through our own behaviours.

Finally on a more flippant note -  I don't know if anyone played the game Plague Inc? I played it on my last flight to the US on my iPad and it was scary how quickly that shows a virus or bacterial infection spreading. Can't imagine playing that in pubic - laughing loudly when another country falls to Caveyvirus-20  - would go down too well with fellow passengers now though!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 14, 2020, 02:27:44 pm
My biggest fear is with the meds. Idk if they can order meds from outside if everything closes,not to mention I live on an island and I have to get my meds sent by ship and mail.
It was quite scary how people react in the Island by closing everything except supermarkets. There was not a single soul outside,but in a positive note I got to hike a lot in the quiet while blasting the music on my mini stereo.
Now that cavey mentioned the duration of the virus,I get really worried about how many of us will get infected. There has never been such huge panic with viruses.
I hope everyone will be safe on these weird times.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CaveyUK on March 14, 2020, 03:24:43 pm
Well the measures in place should limit the number of people infected, the big issue at the moment is not much is understood about this virus.

Once a vaccine is developed - much like the flu vaccine - we will be in a much better place.

Critical services, including medication manufacture/distribution should not be impact long term anywhere, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over that.

It's not the zombie apocalypse although it may feel like it!

My GF is panicking about her small business and the knock on impact of any form of lock-down, as she relies on other businesses purchasing from her. Aside from the elderly or those with compromised health, it's the small business owners who I feel for as well with all this. As long as it doesn't go on too long it should be okay - it's def a fingers crossed situation!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 03:38:12 pm
So in the UK we are still seemingly following the deeply flawed approach of gunning for  'herd immunity', which in a nutshell is that the virus will die off if enough % of the population are immune to it (so it struggles to spread) so you accept that lots of people will get the virus, but recommend strategies that make it more likely that the fittest, healthiest people are the ones that do and develop immunity, thus protecting the weaker or less healthy.

If the viral outbreak only killed off white men with degrees from Elton, they would have had the nation locked down from day 1.  ;)

As it's only the poor, the elderly and the disabled that will die off we are instead seeing this  'herd immunity' bullshit approach in the UK.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: dallas nk on March 14, 2020, 03:48:30 pm
Wondering should I be concerned? CD lingers at 337 and last VL was 70? Thoughts? Hate to be paranoid but won’t to realistic understand my level of threat...
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 14, 2020, 03:53:57 pm
Yeah,I'm very worried about my brother working in the UK in a company where most people do business out of the country. I talk to him every day to make sure he is fine though.
The small businesses will take the huge hit,only takeaway type of places work normally now. It's a matter of time before everyone becomes a hypochondriac.
This reminds me of the Japanese anime "high school of the dead" where everyone becomes a zombie and there are 2 girls claiming they are bbfs forever while running,and then one gets caught by the zombies while still holding her hand ,the other friend replies with "let go of me. Bitch! I said let go!". Something similar is today with most people on the island
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 04:06:51 pm
Wondering should I be concerned? CD lingers at 337 and last VL was 70? Thoughts? Hate to be paranoid but won’t to realistic understand my level of threat...

I would not be worrying with your numbers or at least no more than anyone should at least. Worrying about things rarely does any good.  Just follow the WHO guidelines, so practice good handwashing and a bit of social distancing for the moment.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: dallas nk on March 14, 2020, 04:10:05 pm
Thanks Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 04:11:59 pm
Yeah,I'm very worried about my brother working in the UK in a company where most people do business out of the country. I talk to him every day to make sure he is fine though.
The small businesses will take the huge hit,only takeaway type of places work normally now. It's a matter of time before everyone becomes a hypochondriac.

I am guessing your brother is reasonably young and in good health? If so try to relax. Nice to hear that you have frequent contact with each other though.  :)

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This reminds me of the Japanese anime "high school of the dead" where everyone becomes a zombie and there are 2 girls claiming they are bbfs forever while running,and then one gets caught by the zombies while still holding her hand ,the other friend replies with "let go of me. Bitch! I said let go!". Something similar is today with most people on the island

Rule 1 and 29 jumps to mind

https://flic.kr/p/9J9jnS
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 04:22:18 pm
Thanks Jim

NP.

BTW, If you missed the expert summaries, I've included the links below.

UPDATED: What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

Experts shed light on coronavirus response and its implications for people with HIV
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2020/experts-shed-light-coronavirus-response-and-its-implications-people-hiv

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 14, 2020, 04:24:35 pm
He is older than me (26) and we didn't talk a lot when he was here,we fought a lot. When he left we became closer haha.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bjchap65 on March 14, 2020, 05:42:26 pm
I am curious to see once we finally get stats, how people with HIV fare with COVID 19?
I have read all about precautions and theoretical discussion on how we might be affected. I am assuming once testing is more widespread, hopefully some of those stats will come in. I am curious if people on ARV's will have some protection or if people on prep will have some protection. If anyone sees anything please post, am extremely curious. thanks.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 14, 2020, 05:46:01 pm
Caveyuk, what makes you assume that the supply chain of meds won’t be disrupted and at worst stopped all together. If factories close down, haulage companies cease to operate etc etc than it is entirely plausible. The scale of this is unprecedented and none of us can predict exactly how this may pan out.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 06:39:03 pm
@bjchap65

Welcome to the forum, as a new member can you please open an introduction thread and introduce yourself to the forum, let us know how are you doing, how treatment is going for you as an example etc.  It's standard for new members.

Thanks.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 06:55:00 pm
Caveyuk, what makes you assume that the supply chain of meds won’t be disrupted and at worst stopped all together. If factories close down, haulage companies cease to operate etc etc than it is entirely plausible. The scale of this is unprecedented and none of us can predict exactly how this may pan out.

Most nations, particularly western nations have additional stocks of medicines routinely built into the supply chain to cope with disruptions and most manufactures are able to produce or switch production to multiple locations for the vast majority of meds if needed.

I would not start to panic about "what if's" right now that are not directly on the table. this outbreak looks to be set for a few weeks, months per nation and critical manufacturing so far does not seem to have been affected to the level you have concerns with to my knowledge, with the exception of shortages in masks/gloves etc because joe public morons panicked and stocked up when they don't need it.   

 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 14, 2020, 07:12:21 pm
In a bit of good news, it does seem like the outbreak in China is continuing to settle. 

broken link removed
China's health authority says only eight more cases of coronavirus infection were reported in the country on Thursday. It's the first time that fewer than 10 cases have been reported since the authority began releasing such figures in January.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/coronavirus-china-reveals-just-eight-new-cases-amid-row-with-us-1.4202338
Chinese health officials announced eight new cases and seven additional deaths on Friday, in the strongest sign yet the outbreak appears to be coming under control in the epicentre.

China now has 80,813 confirmed cases and a death toll of 3,176. More than 64,000 patients have recovered to date on the Chinese mainland.

Five of Friday’s cases were in Wuhan, while three were people who had recently flown into the country.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on March 15, 2020, 03:20:40 am
We were told that is was only the elderly that were at risk. Now we are hearing that more than half of the ICU patients in The Netherlands are younger than 50.

@Jim: I suppose you too can read this article from yesterday:

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavirus/40-a-50-nederlandse-coronapatienten-op-intensive-cares-meer-dan-de-helft-is-onder-de-vijftig~a058aad2/
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 05:00:58 am
Everyone is at risk of getting this and/or getting sick, although, the young i.e kids seem less severely affected and those who have underlying issues or older age seem at greatest risk of passing away.

As for the Dutch news, yeah I watch the NOS daily as my morning routine and my sister and parents live in Friesland.  Look it's early days with 50 people in the ICU so still a relatively small group,

Truth is we will just have to wait and see how the ICU rate continues and fatality rates pan out and if the trends follow the same as seen in China / Italy as the outbreak continues to develop.

12th of March  ECDC - Novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) 6th update.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/RRA-sixth-update-Outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-disease-2019-COVID-19.pdf

13th of March
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/italy-coronavirus-outbreak/
Increasing cases of Covid-19 forces Italy into lockdown

(https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/03/cw-1.png)

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on March 15, 2020, 07:15:39 am
A little update from my part of the world. Malaysia
Last 24 hours, a whopping 190 new case. Total now 428. 42 discharged.
Most from a religious gathering of 14.5K (14,500) people over 3 days event.

One issue in this cluster is it Is difficult to track them. Some of them say if they have it, it is Allah given fate. Crazy.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CaveyUK on March 15, 2020, 02:37:57 pm
I think that if anyone reports worsening of proven covid-19 infection, standard protocol in many regions will be to admit to ICU - at the moment at least, so being in ICU does not equal death.

We get hit with flu strains every year, some not covered by the vaccine, and it kills a large number of people - mainly older folk with existing medical conditions. This is not really any different other than it seems a little more ruthless at taking out the vulnerable (although still with 98-99% survival rate) and we don't have a vaccine and no-one is immune as its a completely novel virus strain.

As it seems to affect the lower respiratory system most, it seems those with underlying chest conditions may be at a higher risk of complications (including those with conditions such as asthma), and should be most vigilant when it comes to things like social distancing and awareness of symptoms so help can be reached if necessary.

With a bit of luck this thing will peak in the coming weeks, and if vaccines can be fast-tracked hopefully the vast majority of us won't ever be exposed to any symptomatic illness. As long as we follow the universal guidelines about distancing, close contact, hand washing etc.

Spare a thought as well for those with regular colds. My GF is just recovering from a cold (very nose-based, so not cover-19!) and has the routine cough at the end of it all. She said walking through town, folk were staring at her like she was a leper and keeping their distance whenever she coughed! She was mortified at this, but I did see some tactical advantages of affecting a cough just to get away from people I'd like to avoid :)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bocker3 on March 15, 2020, 05:12:19 pm

With a bit of luck this thing will peak in the coming weeks, and if vaccines can be fast-tracked hopefully the vast majority of us won't ever be exposed to any symptomatic illness. As long as we follow the universal guidelines about distancing, close contact, hand washing etc.

I appreciate good thoughts and attempts at helping reduce anxiety, but I have to point out that this is most assuredly NOT what the scientists and doctors are saying.
We don't know when the peak will hit -- it will depend on people doing the right thing.  Hope is great -- but action is what is required. 
A vaccine, even if "fast-tracked" will not be available for widespread delivery for a year or more.  It simply does not pay to minimize this in any way (not sure that was your intent, but it was how I read it), as it only gives people license to minimize their actions.  The same goes for comparing this to "the flu".  Most people  do NOT see the flu as a big deal - despite how many people die from it each year -- so the comparison is just another way that people can rationalize their way out of following directions to minimize social contact.

I am seeing too many people on my social media feeds, still hanging out in taverns, casinos and other group settings.  The "I have to live my life" mindset is the enemy of us all.  Short term inconvenience has the ability to produce long-term gain -- in the form of not overwhelming our health care systems to the point that decisions about who to treat must be made.

My clinical laboratory and Public Health/Epidemiology education makes this whole thing very interesting from an intellectual POV, but as a regular citizen of this planet - it scares me to death just how cavalier some are being. (that last statement is a general one and not directed at anyone in particular)

Mike   
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 15, 2020, 06:38:35 pm
I appreciate good thoughts and attempts at helping reduce anxiety, but I have to point out that this is most assuredly NOT what the scientists and doctors are saying.


I am seeing too many people on my social media feeds, still hanging out in taverns, casinos and other group settings.  The "I have to live my life" mindset is the enemy of us all.



Mike


I agree with everything you said Mike,  100 percent. Everything that I am reading or seeing is not looking good.

Luck, Hope , Hunches and miracles, is not going to slow this down .  Common sense will !

That mess today at O'hare airport, just made me cringe. 1000's of people crammed together.

And listening to trump an hour ago didn't help.  He was more pleased about lowering the interests rates down to 0.25 %. Get ready for probably another 1800 point drop tomorrow on the DOW. The interest rate cut isn't going to help trump.

I was scheduled at the VAMC, to have an eye exam this coming Friday,  but I think I am going to cancel it tomorrow. No sense to be around a hospital unless it is absolutely necessary.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/03/15/coronavirus-screening-chaos-awaits-travelers-returning-us-airports/5053421002/


Ray

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 06:46:37 pm
Quote
I appreciate good thoughts and attempts at helping reduce anxiety, but I have to point out that this is most assuredly NOT what the scientists and doctors are saying.

Well, following the guidelines issued about social distancing, close contact, hand washing etc. is what is being asked by doctors and scientists. The opposite trend to what you mentioned is the halfwits and paranoid online spreading fear and getting upset when you go out grocery shopping or walking the dog. (Not aimed at anyone here) It this nonsense that is causing panic and problems, and harmful to supply chains and critical services, I'm hoping it does not continue to escalate.

Social distancing and the measures people have been recommended to take in most places are being misunderstood, it does not mean 24/7 lockdown and allowing yourself to starve to death, life does have to go on for a large number of people.
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Post by: J.R.E. on March 15, 2020, 06:48:05 pm

Here's a little bit of the news here in the Tampa area: ( Schools officially closed)

We still have our primary scheduled for Tuesday, unless the GOV decides to postpone that as well.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/health/coronavirus

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 15, 2020, 06:51:09 pm


While driving around today we also noticed many restaurants with empty parking lots.
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Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 06:57:12 pm

While driving around today we also noticed many restaurants with empty parking lots.

Makes sense that people are reducing those kinds of gatherings and activities, prehaps in part the message of social distancing is kicking in.

Here gov has called on pubs ect to close until the 29th of Match
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-all-pubs-asked-to-close-as-40-new-cases-of-covid-19-confirmed-39045775.html
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Post by: J.R.E. on March 15, 2020, 07:10:10 pm
Makes sense that people are reducing those kinds of gatherings and activities, prehaps in part the message of social distancing is kicking in.

Here gov has called on pubs ect to close until the 29th of Match
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-all-pubs-asked-to-close-as-40-new-cases-of-covid-19-confirmed-39045775.html


Same in a couple states here so far:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-updates-ohio-illinois-closing-bars-and-restaurants-to-stem-coronavirus-federal-reserve-slashes-interest-rates-to-zero/ar-BB11cwEA?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 07:24:24 pm

Same in a couple states here so far:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-updates-ohio-illinois-closing-bars-and-restaurants-to-stem-coronavirus-federal-reserve-slashes-interest-rates-to-zero/ar-BB11cwEA?li=BBnb7Kz

To be honest not a bad move. Looks like most nations are getting the message from the experts and starting to act on it with the shocking exception of the UK

The World Health Organization questions the UK policy of allowing COVID19 spread.
https://poz.com/blog/now-herd-everything

"such an experiment could, at least in theory, lead to over 40 million infections and 500,000 to 800,000 deaths"

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CaveyUK on March 15, 2020, 09:03:40 pm
@bocker3

It wasn't my intention to trivialise the situation. I, like most people don't have a clue how this will pan out. What we are seeing around the world is unprecedented.

It's a fine line between appearing too laid back/complacent and over-reacting, which is something it's easy to see with some of the selfish stockpiling thats happening at the moment. It's all unknown territory and we will only know more as the days pass.

Trying to find balanced articles that are not just focused on the worst-case  in the online media blitz of articles can be difficult, but maybe this is the one that focuses on our general ability to defend against pandemics compared to previously, and thus should be a source of *some* encouragement
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/coronavirus-symtoms-cases-panic-vaccine-antivirals-recovery-2441729


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 09:23:33 pm
Totally different, I was looking at this today.

A visual history of pandemics
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/a-visual-history-of-pandemics?fbclid=IwAR2CxmXUOkADhvl74i1cQ5MpvEdI6UVqOZex0VlACfwBrj1wOIVhBBIIO-s

I did not find the article so interesting or insightful but I did like the image representing past pandemics.

Link to the image if you want to view in a bigger size. https://assets.weforum.org/editor/OidbpPf3QMtt2SvrmNdR4feAAmAiMHhNm59Ak5_7lp0.jpg

(https://assets.weforum.org/editor/OidbpPf3QMtt2SvrmNdR4feAAmAiMHhNm59Ak5_7lp0.jpg)
Image: Visual Capitalist
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Post by: CaveyUK on March 15, 2020, 09:38:00 pm
That IS a cracking infographic Jim!

And in other news, as if there wasn't a case for disliking Trump already, this is doing the rounds (apologies for a Daily Mail link although it's been reported elsewhere too)...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114015/Donald-Trump-tries-pay-German-company-creating-experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-US.html
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 09:46:17 pm
That IS a cracking infographic Jim!

And in other news, as if there wasn't a case for disliking Trump already, this is doing the rounds (apologies for a Daily Mail link although it's been reported elsewhere too)...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114015/Donald-Trump-tries-pay-German-company-creating-experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-US.html

 ;D I find the daily mail can serve a purpose if you want to raise a stink about a topic ;)

Anyhow, I didn't see much on this story yet, but from what I read it's a ludicrous idea that wouldn't surprise me coming from Trump. 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 15, 2020, 09:47:37 pm
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That IS a cracking infographic Jim!

Yeah, I thought so as well. Kinda jealous I don't have the skills to create them myself. 
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Post by: Loa111 on March 16, 2020, 03:49:00 am
Here’s a credible video on Corona Virus situation by a top ID Doctor who is a leading HIV specialist in Ireland. He’s in the clinic I go to, though his colleague looks after me. Since I know who he is and the good work he does, I trust his opinions...
https://youtu.be/1CsAeuFAPy4

Whilst he does not refer to hiv in this video. I do wonder if those of us who have had very advanced cases, with low CD4, PCP etc...are we more at risk from Corona?
Last CD4 count I was just over 200 but I’m still on daily antibiotics.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 16, 2020, 07:19:28 am
For anyone with school-going kids that are now at home I'm sharing this link that has some resources that can be used. http://www.spireleadershipgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Learning-Resources-Spire.pdf
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 16, 2020, 10:58:23 am
Updated on the 12th of March, decided to share this one as mental health is also important.

It's 5 pages long so only posting a few of the printers and here and you can access the document if wanted.  I feel it could have included more tips for those in a lock-down situation about remaining connected, setting up a daily routine and remaining active.

WHO - 12 March 2020 - Mental Health and Psychosocial Considerations During
COVID-19 Outbreak

Full document.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/mental-health-considerations.pdf?sfvrsn=6d3578af_8

In short:
General population
1. COVID-19 has and is likely to affect people from many countries, in many geographical locations.

Do not attach it to any ethnicity or nationality. Be empathetic to all those who are affected, in and from any country. People who are affected by Covid-19 have not done anything wrong, and they deserve our support, compassion and kindness.

2. Do not refer to people with the disease as “COVID-19 cases”, “victims” “COVID-19 families” or the “diseased”. They are “people who have COVID-19”, “people who are being treated for COVID19”, “people who are recovering from COVID-19” and after recovering from COVID-19 their life will go on with their jobs, families and loved ones. It is important to separate a person from having an
identity defined by COVID-19, to reduce stigma.

3. Minimize watching, reading or listening to news that causes you to feel anxious or distressed; seek information only from trusted sources and mainly to take practical steps to prepare your plans and protect yourself and loved ones. Seek information updates at specific times during the day, once or twice. The sudden and near-constant stream of news reports about an outbreak can cause anyone to feel worried. Get the facts; not the rumors and misinformation. Gather information at regular intervals, from WHO website and local health authorities platforms, in order to help you distinguish facts from rumors. Facts can help to minimize fears.

4. Protect yourself and be supportive to others. Assisting others in their time of need can benefit the person receiving support as well as the helper. For example, check-in by phone on neighbors or people in your community who may need some extra assistance. Working together as one community can help to create solidarity in addressing Covid-19 together.

5. Find opportunities to amplify positive and hopeful stories and positive images of local people who have experienced COVID-19. For example, stories of people who have recovered or who have supported a loved one and are willing to share their experience.

6. Honor caretakers and healthcare workers supporting people affected with COVID-19 in your community. Acknowledge the role they play to save lives and keep your loved ones safe.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Skydrake on March 16, 2020, 11:22:38 am
Coronavirus infection in an AIDS patient
Wong, Andrew TYa; Tsang, Owen TYa; Wong, K Hc et all
AIDS: March 26th, 2004 - Volume 18 - Issue 5 - p 829-830

... grave prognognosis in young patients with SARS might be related to the excessive immune response to the new virus. Cytokine dysregulation may account, at least partly, for the severity of clinical disease. The defective cellular immunity in HIV infection could paradoxically be a protective factor in some patients

Source:
https://journals.lww.com/aidsonline/fulltext/2004/03260/coronavirus_infection_in_an_aids_patient.21.aspx
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on March 16, 2020, 11:28:02 am
Skydrake....can u out that in more understandable terms?

Thanks Jim for ur post, my anxiety is outta the roof right now. Almost more than when I was diagnosed. I was literally shaking last night. 😭
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Skydrake on March 16, 2020, 12:14:19 pm
Skydrake....can u out that in more understandable terms?

Thanks Jim for ur post, my anxiety is outta the roof right now. Almost more than when I was diagnosed. I was literally shaking last night. 😭

Read the last part: "...The defective cellular immunity in HIV infection could paradoxically be a protective factor in some patient"
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 16, 2020, 01:47:44 pm


Thanks Jim for ur post, my anxiety is outta the roof right now. Almost more than when I was diagnosed. I was literally shaking last night. 😭

Hiya, your welcome.

Sorry to hear that this is causing such a level of anxiety.  Is there something specific that has you so scared? What helped you get through this last time you felt this way?

Just know that you are not alone and if you feel the need to talk privately please do  PM me.

I'll comment a bit more that, we could prehaps all do with staying clear of unreliable sources of information or outdated info.  And if the anxiety is getting high too high, prehaps cutting down on unnecessary social media usage or consuming the news "too much" as it will just feed the fears.

Realistically there is not anything more we can do other than being supportive for each other and following the advice from the experts on basic hygiene steps and social distancing.

The good news story for tonight:

Heard on the radio about this website today - https://randall.ie/help/?fbclid=IwAR3udS-zNXISaVR1x3BYVDLED9492fjqfRXXT1Y0USQoQOt0GgSG3Gq4fjM

Mainly it's focused on the UK and Ireland, but it seems to have started to get global attention including the USA.

It's a site and map whereby people can pledge to help others or ask for help they need it and this can then be coordinated between the volunteers and people asking for help.  Examples,  someone offering to assist by getting the shopping for someone vulnerable or offering to show someone how to use online shopping, walking the dog etc.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gJ6wKZqX/Map.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqQB3c3z/Map-2.png)









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Post by: Texland on March 16, 2020, 05:03:50 pm
Some good news in the fight against Covid-19. Doctors in Australia are having excellent results treating patients with a combination of Kaletra (lopinavir and ritonavir) and chloroquine. Both medications are already approved in most countries so doctors can use them "off label" on patients.

The Australian doctors are calling it a cure, I would be more cautious and say it's a hopeful treatment.

https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on March 16, 2020, 05:18:08 pm
I been hearing a lot about antivirals being used to treat Covid-19 but not so much in US main stream media. I hope it is something that really works, hope my triumeq does it too.

Also found this report about a 17yo who created a website to track the Corvid-19 as far back as December fascinating..
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/13/meet_the_17_year_old_behind

https://ncov2019.live/
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Texland on March 16, 2020, 05:35:56 pm
I been hearing a lot about antivirals being used to treat Covid-19 but not so much in US main stream media. I hope it is something that really works, hope my triumeq does it too.


There is a reluctance (fear of lawsuits?) in the US to try a non-approved treatment. There were doctors on TV saying there is no treatment for Covid-19. At that same time there were reports of antivirals being used in other countries.
HIV medications were used in another viral outbreak a few years back. (SARS? MERS?) That one didn't reach the US in any numbers.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 16, 2020, 05:44:55 pm
I been hearing a lot about antivirals being used to treat Covid-19 but not so much in US main stream media. I hope it is something that really works, hope my triumeq does it too.

Also found this report about a 17yo who created a website to track the Corvid-19 as far back as December fascinating..
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/13/meet_the_17_year_old_behind

https://ncov2019.live/

There is a reluctance (fear of lawsuits?) in the US to try a non-approved treatment. There were doctors on TV saying there is no treatment for Covid-19. At that same time there were reports of antivirals being used in other countries.
HIV medications were used in another viral outbreak a few years back. (SARS? MERS?) That one didn't reach the US in any numbers.

Yup, treatment with Kaletra (lopinavir and ritonavir) and chloroquine was reported to have been used in China during this outbreak and in 2003 for SARS 

I'm not sure how off-label usage of drugs works in the USA.

POZ.Com full write-up
https://www.poz.com/article/china-uses-hiv-meds-treat-new-coronavirus
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Texland on March 16, 2020, 06:09:52 pm


I'm not sure how off-label usage of drugs works in the USA.

POZ.Com full write-up
https://www.poz.com/article/china-uses-hiv-meds-treat-new-coronavirus

If the drug has been approved by the FDA, a doctor can prescribe it. I did have a doctor prescribe a drug off label last year, my insurance company refused to pay for it. It was wicked expensive so the doctor came up with a different choice.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: OneTampa on March 16, 2020, 06:24:40 pm
Interesting "truth told correctly" article on comparing current Coronavirus to historical AIDS situation.

OT

Link:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-youre-comparing-coronavirus-and-aids-recognize-the-lgbtq-heroes-of-history?ref=scroll
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on March 16, 2020, 07:34:13 pm
Looking at a poz link on this thread, I just ran into this.. it appears a vaccine trail is on the way in Seattle 🤞..
https://www.poz.com/article/coronavirus-vaccine-trial
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on March 16, 2020, 07:50:49 pm
Interesting "truth told correctly" article on comparing current Coronavirus to historical AIDS situation.
and this take from Mark King
https://marksking.com/my-fabulous-disease/stop-comparing-coronavirus-to-early-hiv-aids-just-stop/

personally i think there are, of course, similarities of HIV to COVID but that's because they both are epidemics. By nature of the definition both situations have similarities. But transmission, social reaction, and containment have been different circumstances. In the future, we'll comparison and contrast our reactions to these epidemics (the way the Dems/Obama worked on after the ebola outbreak but was disbanded by our current POTUS :( ) and hopefully develop better plans for the epidemic that'll come after this one.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Loa111 on March 17, 2020, 06:39:24 am
I guess no one knows for sure if hiv+ people are more at risk or not?
Thinking yes if CD4 under 200? What about those over 200 & on effective treatment, seems to be conflicting opinions?
Feel slightly concerning  since at last bloods I was 248 CD4 & just out of aids zone.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 17, 2020, 08:06:04 am
Opinions are like assholes.

Look there is plenty of unknows at the moment, but there is also plenty we do know. Best avoid the virus if you can.

As for opinions, it's best sticking to what experts are saying on the subject. So far it seems simple enough, those with untreated HIV or with low CD4 counts might fall into a group with slightly higher risk. There is not much that individuals can do other than the normal hygiene steps and social distancing.

The rest of us, well there is factually nothing to suggest with a good CD4 count and UD viral load as a group we are more or less vulnerable so far for this virus. It also depends if individuals have other underlying health issues. Anyhow, the same precautions apply, normal hygiene steps and social distancing during this outbreak like everyone should be doing.

UPDATED: What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

Experts shed light on coronavirus response and its implications for people with HIV
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2020/experts-shed-light-coronavirus-response-and-its-implications-people-hiv

https://www.bhiva.org/comment-from-BHIVA-and-THT-on-UK-Government-Guidance-on-Social-Distancing

UNAIDS.

https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/presscentre/featurestories/2020/march/20200312_covid-19

It’s important to underline that there is currently no strong evidence that people living with HIV are at an especially increased risk of contracting COVID-19 or, that if they do contract it, they will experience a worse outcome. As in the general population, older people living with HIV or people living with HIV with heart or lung problems may be at a higher risk of getting the virus and of suffering more serious symptoms. As for the general population, people living with HIV should take all recommended preventive measures to minimize exposure and prevent infection. As COVID-19 continues to spread around the world, it will be important for ongoing research in settings with a high prevalence of HIV in the general population to shed more light on the biological and immunological interactions between HIV and the new coronavirus.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Loa111 on March 17, 2020, 08:51:33 am
Thank you Jim. Good info there. Cheers
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: itsalex on March 17, 2020, 12:28:20 pm
Hello everybody!

How are you guys? Is everybody safe during this troubling time?

In Italy, as you know, we are on lockdown but we keep high the morale. I’m assuming you saw the video of the Italians singing on their balconies :)

I am alone in Milan while my family is living in central Italy on Adriatic coast. Sometimes it gets difficult to be alone at all times and I do hope all of this will end soon but at least until April 3rd we are not going anywhere.

On the good side, I have a nice view, spring is starting, and pollution is to its lowest level ever (check out the video of Venice water being clear again or dolphins at Cagliari port).

Lots of hugs!!
Alex
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Pirata on March 17, 2020, 12:41:47 pm
We are together in this. At least it’s beautiful to see everything getting green and colorful again
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 17, 2020, 01:53:05 pm
@Loa111

NP
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Marcanthony on March 17, 2020, 02:03:58 pm
It’s unsettling times for us all, especially for some of us who maybe living with low functioning immune systems OR under laying medical conditions

The CEO of HIV Scotland has set up a helpline that you can contact should you be HIV + and worried

The number is 0131 558 3713 open mon-fri 10am-6pm.

There is a webpage but not sure I can post it here?

Even if you’re not in Scotland you can call them.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on March 17, 2020, 02:58:35 pm
Hello,
We have just entered into “restrict movement” for my country till end on this month.
No cinema,mall,shopping. Only essential shop can open. Only take away allowed.
Borders is close. Hotel cannot check in new guests. 
I guess not as bad as Italy. Still this is new to all of us
Malaysia
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 17, 2020, 03:47:26 pm
There is a webpage but not sure I can post it here?


Sure, by all means, share the link.  :)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 17, 2020, 03:49:52 pm
Florida has shut down all bars and nightclubs for 30 days effective 5:00 this afternoon. About an hour and 15 minutes to go. We were just at our favorite watering hole, and wished everyone well , and said see ya in 30 days. (Maybe)

A lot of the people we socialize there are just bar room acquaintances, we don't see these people other than in the bar.

AMC movie theaters are shut down completely as well as Regal theaters.

Restaurants for the time being, can only seat 50 % of capacity.  McDonalds is drive through only, the dining rooms are closed.  Also restaurants are ordered to check temp and health of their employees.

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Marcanthony on March 17, 2020, 03:50:13 pm
For people in the Uk who are worried; HIV Scotland has set up a helpline, that you can access all across the UK. Detail in the link below.

Called them today, they were super helpful.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/coronavirus-helpline-hiv-positive
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CalvinC on March 17, 2020, 03:53:55 pm
Jim, thanks for all your even-keeled reportage. It's comforting.

Cal
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 17, 2020, 04:16:56 pm
Interview with the first candidate testing the corona virus vaccine:

This was from last night on MSNBC with Ari Melber.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/first-person-to-test-coronavirus-vaccine-speaks-out-80728645649

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on March 17, 2020, 06:15:33 pm
So cd4's and cd8's play a key roll in fighting COVID-19 according to this report in Nature Medicine.

From the article:
"We report the kinetics of immune responses in relation to clinical and virological features of a patient with mild-to-moderate coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) that required hospitalization. Increased antibody-secreting cells (ASCs), follicular helper T cells (TFH cells), activated CD4+ T cells and CD8+ T cells and immunoglobulin M (IgM) and IgG antibodies that bound the COVID-19-causing coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 were detected in blood before symptomatic recovery. These immunological changes persisted for at least 7 d following full resolution of symptoms.".. continued here..
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0819-2

So as many of us are compromised myself included.. best we do what we can to keep this thing at bay.

I can't help but remember a quote from leatherman that's always stuck in my mind when worried about living with low cd4's.. "Sometimes it's not about how many (cd4's) you have, but how good the ones you do have work", something like that..  sorry if I misquoted.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 18, 2020, 12:57:07 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQcR5NuRHY

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar addresses nation this St Patricks Day
The video starts after 19 seconds. 

In short:
Quote
Today’s children will tell their own children and grandchildren about the national holiday in 2020 that had no parades or parties, but instead saw everyone staying at home to protect each other.

In years to come, let them say of us, when things were at their worst, we were at our best.

Our country is making big demands of our healthcare staff, big demands of every single one of us.

The vast majority of us who contract Covid-19 will experience a mild illness, but some will be hospitalised and sadly some people will die.

We cannot stop this virus but working together we can slow it in its tracks and push it back.

We can, as you have heard by now, flatten the curve. But only if everyone takes sustained action. Nothing less will do.

Large public gatherings are cancelled. All pubs and bars are shut.

We have also asked people to curtail or cancel social gatherings like parties, weddings and other celebrations. I know these choices won’t be easy,but they are necessary.

More will be required in the coming weeks to reduce the spread of the virus. At all times we will be guided by, and take the expert advice, from our Public Health Emergency Team led by the Chief Medical Officer.

We will always put your life and your health ahead of any other concern. All resources that we have, financial and human, are being deployed to serve this great national effort.

Many of you want to know when this will be over.
The truth is we don’t know yet.

As you plan your life it will mean avoiding unnecessary journeys. Shopping online from local businesses and getting things delivered rather than physically going to the premises.

In short – we are asking people to come together as a nation by staying apart from each other.

Tonight I know many of you are feeling scared and overwhelmed. That is a normal reaction, but we will get through this and we will prevail.

We need to halt the spread of the virus but we also need to halt the spread of fear.

So please rely only on information from trusted sources. From Government, from the HSE, from the World Health Organisation and from the national media.

Do not forward or share messages that are from other, unreliable sources. So much harm has already been caused by those messages, and we must insulate our communities and the most vulnerable from the contagion of fear.

Fear is a virus in itself.

Please take regular breaks from watching news and media, and from consuming social media. Constantly scrolling on your phone or obsessively following the latest developments is not good for anyone.

Look after your mental health and well-being as well as your physical health.

Tonight on our national holiday I also want to send a message around the world that we are all in this together.

To the people of China, Spain and Italy who have suffered untold heartbreak and loss – we are with you.

To all of those across the world who have lost a loved one to this virus – we are with you.

To all those living in the shadow of what is to come – we are with you.

Viruses pay no attention to borders, race, nationality or gender.

They are the shared enemy of all humanity.

So it will be the shared enterprise of all humanity that finds a treatment and a vaccine that protects us.

Tonight I send a message of friendship and of hope from Ireland to everyone around the world this Saint Patrick’s Day.

Lá Fheile Pádraig shona daoibh!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 18, 2020, 04:10:13 am
Jim, thanks for all your even-keeled reportage. It's comforting.

Cal

You're welcome, glad it helps a bit. I'll be honest I'm trying to reassure myself as well at times. ;)

@All

Things continue to develop and, I have updated the first post in this thread, as people following this thread might miss the update, I have included it below.



Updated opening post:

Note:

The coronavirus outbreak continues to be a hot topic, as such, I have merged all related threads into this single sticky post.

I will continue to merge any new threads regarding the virus, this effort is not only to avoid duplication but also to ensure people who want to discuss it can and, with the latest information.

Additionally, this means that members who are finding the topic particularly distressing or those wishing to take a break from COVID-19 news can and aren't confronted with dozens of separate threads across the forum.

Finally, a small ask to please be additionally mindful and patient with each other during these times and to stay away and refrain from sharing unofficial/unreliable news sources or sensationalized media. Thank you.



To find the latest updates POZ.com has continuing coronavirus coverage specifically for people living with HIV here: https://www.poz.com/tag/coronavirus

Few valuable links.

What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

What People With Liver Disease Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://forums.hepmag.com/index.php?topic=5923.msg

What People With Cancer Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://forums.cancerhealth.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=ibjpe9dlg3s2830amd0ob84307&topic=153.msg



POZ.Com full write-up
https://www.poz.com/article/china-uses-hiv-meds-treat-new-coronavirus

Experts shed light on coronavirus response and its implications for people with HIV
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2020/experts-shed-light-coronavirus-response-and-its-implications-people-hiv

https://www.bhiva.org/comment-from-BHIVA-and-THT-on-UK-Government-Guidance-on-Social-Distancing

UNAIDS.

https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/presscentre/featurestories/2020/march/20200312_covid-19

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It’s important to underline that there is currently no strong evidence that people living with HIV are at an especially increased risk of contracting COVID-19 or, that if they do contract it, they will experience a worse outcome. As in the general population, older people living with HIV or people living with HIV with heart or lung problems may be at a higher risk of getting the virus and of suffering more serious symptoms. As for the general population, people living with HIV should take all recommended preventive measures to minimize exposure and prevent infection. As COVID-19 continues to spread around the world, it will be important for ongoing research in settings with a high prevalence of HIV in the general population to shed more light on the biological and immunological interactions between HIV and the new coronavirus.



Thanks to @Loa111

COVID-19 Facts - Dr. & Professor Paddy Mallon
https://youtu.be/1CsAeuFAPy4

Thanks to @Marcanthony

For people in the UK who are worried; HIV Scotland has set up a helpline, that you can access all across the UK. The number is 0131 558 3713 open mon-fri 10am-6pm. https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/coronavirus-helpline-hiv-positive


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: daveR on March 18, 2020, 04:17:37 am
Another website full of graphs, statistics and comparisons concerning COVID-19 and other diseases. Information obviously based over the short time it has been around. Makes you wonder why the deaths caused by other conditions which are far higher per day don't warrant the same response, except this one knows no borders. Some of the others just kill unknowns in third world countries. With minimal financial impact. The media coverage is horrendous compared to other more fatal and courageous diseases, including our favourite, HIV.

All lives count, everybody has loved one's who will miss them. The world should be ashamed. It helps put it into perspective I think.

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bocker3 on March 18, 2020, 05:24:30 pm
And now it is really getting real..... 

My mother is under quarantine in the hospital with cough, fever, trouble breathing, delirium......  My brother says they are waiting on a COVID-19 test result (shocked that they got one so quickly.....).
She was in the hospital about 6 weeks ago with bad pneumonia, was still on oxygen support from it, so maybe this is a recurrence and not COVID??  Time will tell.  Right now, I'm 500 miles away, so I'm just waiting on word from my brother.

Mike
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on March 18, 2020, 07:52:59 pm
My father was just put into quarantine an hour ago

I've got deeply mixed feelings about this.

God damn me for remembering the things he said when I got a virus.

Yesterday was the 4th anniversary of my mother's passing.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on March 18, 2020, 08:02:50 pm
Prayers going to you and your father Zach and your mother Bocker3.....I cant even imagine :( 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 18, 2020, 10:53:23 pm
My father was just put into quarantine an hour ago


My mother is under quarantine in the hospital with cough, fever, trouble breathing, delirium...... 

Sorry to hear this Zach & Mike.

I can't imagine how dreadful this time must be for those separated from loved ones in quarantine.

Hugs to you both.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bocker3 on March 19, 2020, 07:02:07 am
Well, my brother has reported that my mom has tested negative for the virus.
1) I'm shocked that she got tested immediately upon getting to the hospital (I guess the testing situation in the US is vastly improving?!?!)
2) Even more surprised that results came back within a few hours -- guess that getting Labcorp and Quest involved has significantly sped this up.

She's still in the hospital as they work for a diagnosis, but it doesn't appear to be COVID-19 at this point.  Of course, she still can't have any visitors, as the hospital has banned anyone from coming in to their facility due to COVID.  I'm still 500 miles away, so not much I can do at this point.

M
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 19, 2020, 08:30:46 am
Glad to hear that she tested negative, however, that of course, doesn't change the challenges with quarantine and her being ill.  I do hope she feels better soon, hugs. 

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 19, 2020, 10:07:00 am
Zach and Mike,I hope your parents get well quickly. It's a really awful situation to be In,but I'm hoping and praying that both of your family members will be ok,whether it's corona virus or not.
I wish this situation would be over soon...
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: hereinny on March 19, 2020, 12:46:13 pm
There is so much information out there but there is some lack of clarity and completeness.  There are also many questions that haven't been addressed.

I understand that in many cases there is no answer yet. I also understand that it is impossible to address every eventuality. 

Just a few things that i have been thinking about.

1.  There has been quite a bit of talk about people who are immunocompromised.  This was briefly addressed in "What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus" but i think it would be great if someone who really knows to address this with more detail.  For example:

Does being + mean you are compromised?  There are many of us who are undetectable with good CD4 and a White Blood Count.  So where are we on the spectrum of immunocompromised.  I did ask my doctor this question but i dont want to be answering a medical question here and get something wrong.  I will say that i was told it is not a simple yes or no answer.  Can someone clarify for all of the readers of this forum?  I feel good about his answer to me but i dont want to post my interpretation of this.

2.  All of the social distancing is not going to stop this but rather slow it down.  I feel like everyone is doing the right thing, but lets face it....people are still going to get this.
My question is this:  If a person who is HIV+ were to contract this, and the use of Remdesivir becomes the early treatment that is effective, will someone who is taking something like Stribild, Biktarvy, Complera, etc be able to use this treatment?  Would taking a PI upset the process of the other meds?

3.  We are still quite early in the game but, are there any known cases of persons with HIV who also have Covid19?  If so hospitalized? deaths?

Im sure we are all more afraid of what we dont know vs what we do know.  I am hoping someone can answer these questions based on real knowledge and data rather than speculation.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 19, 2020, 01:20:29 pm
Hiya,

1) Depends, as a group we are immunocompromised. To what degree varies by each person including their underlying medical issues.

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I did ask my doctor this question but i dont want to be answering a medical question here and get something wrong.

Repeating what your doctor told you about your own case is fine, just know that people may comment. In the meantime, why say something if you are not going to mention what it was.  ;)

2)

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All of the social distancing is not going to stop this but rather slow it down.  I feel like everyone is doing the right thing, but lets face it....people are still going to get this.

Correct, all these measures are not to stop the virus, that boat sailed a long time ago. This is about reducing the impact, the spike of cases etc etc

Regarding treatment well depends, if they are taking drugs that absolutely don't mix the doctor might need to pause or prehaps change the regular treatment for a while. That type of thing will be decided in the moment on a case by case basis by the attending doctor.   

This is nothing new or different to the medical profession, it happens from time to time when treating multiple conditions. I've had it with conflicting meds that I've had to switch treatments for one of my conditions.

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There is so much information out there but there is some lack of clarity and completeness.  There are also many questions that haven't been addressed.

Plenty is known, and things are being updated as info comes out.
Understand the want to know everything now but that's not possible, focusing on what you don't know and what is outside your control is a sure way to either start reading fake news or to drive yourself potty.

Summary so far from experts and reliable sources is that prehaps like with other infections, those with untreated HIV or with low CD4 counts might fall into a group with slightly higher risk. There is not much that individuals can do other than the normal hygiene steps and social distancing.

The rest of us, well there is factually nothing to suggest with a good CD4 count and UD viral load as a group we are more or less vulnerable so far for this virus. It also depends if individuals have other underlying health issues. Anyhow, the same precautions apply, normal hygiene steps and social distancing during this outbreak like everyone should be doing.

To find the latest updates POZ.com has continuing coronavirus coverage specifically for people living with HIV here: https://www.poz.com/tag/coronavirus

Few valuable links.

What People With HIV Need to Know About the New Coronavirus
https://www.poz.com/article/people-hiv-need-know-new-coronavirus

Experts shed light on coronavirus response and its implications for people with HIV
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2020/experts-shed-light-coronavirus-response-and-its-implications-people-hiv

https://www.bhiva.org/comment-from-BHIVA-and-THT-on-UK-Government-Guidance-on-Social-Distancing

More detail is expected soon and this may include specific advice for people living with HIV based on viral load and CD4 count, as people on HIV treatment with a good CD4 and undetectable viral load are not usually considered to have a "weakened immune system" as specified in the PHE guidance. BHIVA and THT will aim to inform the HIV community about new developments in the field as they emerge but right now we recommend following PHE’s "social distancing" advice which does not necessarily mean "self-isolation."



UNAIDS.

https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/presscentre/featurestories/2020/march/20200312_covid-19

It’s important to underline that there is currently no strong evidence that people living with HIV are at an especially increased risk of contracting COVID-19 or, that if they do contract it, they will experience a worse outcome. As in the general population, older people living with HIV or people living with HIV with heart or lung problems may be at a higher risk of getting the virus and of suffering more serious symptoms. As for the general population, people living with HIV should take all recommended preventive measures to minimize exposure and prevent infection. As COVID-19 continues to spread around the world, it will be important for ongoing research in settings with a high prevalence of HIV in the general population to shed more light on the biological and immunological interactions between HIV and the new coronavirus.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: hereinny on March 19, 2020, 03:11:50 pm
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"Repeating what your doctor told you about your own case is fine, just know that people may comment. In the meantime, why say something if you are not going to mention what it was.  ;)"

The reason i mention that i spoke to my doctor is there is no doubt that if i hadnt, i would be told to talk to my own doctor.  Additionally once in the past i posted what i was told my my doctor and the moderator scolded me for giving medical advice.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 19, 2020, 03:30:59 pm
You can talk about your experience all you like, just be fully prepared people will comment.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 19, 2020, 05:05:13 pm
Purely random thought, but I wonder with the social distancing if we will see a drop in "Am I infected" posters. Also, in areas with lockdowns will we see a baby boom in the 9 months time...
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on March 19, 2020, 08:09:12 pm
Dad covid negative. Pancreas again, same pattern for years.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on March 19, 2020, 08:12:07 pm
Purely random thought, but I wonder with the social distancing if we will see a drop in "Am I infected" posters. Also, in areas with lockdowns will we see a baby boom in the 9 months time...

1... not a chance, you get back to your salt mine!

2... covid kids, the wuhan generation ain't nothing to fuck with
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 19, 2020, 09:28:20 pm
1... not a chance, you get back to your salt mine!

2... covid kids, the wuhan generation ain't nothing to fuck with

 ;D lol
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 19, 2020, 09:56:43 pm
This is breaking news within the last 30 minutes or so.  The governor of California has issued a stay at home order for the entire state of California :

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/california-news/gov-newsom-issues-statewide-stay-at-home-order/

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bocker3 on March 19, 2020, 10:22:24 pm
Dad covid negative. Pancreas again, same pattern for years.

Glad to hear he's negative!  This quarantine shit is scary stuff!!  Still worried about mom's issues.  We aren't getting much info and no one is allowed in to the hospital to see her.......

M
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on March 20, 2020, 06:31:57 am
Thanks Mike

Now is just a lousy time to have a medical emergency... covid or not.

With resources being prioritized, maybe worse for negative people.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Sweet_C on March 20, 2020, 07:49:14 am
I’m in the u.s. and my main concern at the moment is over our inadequate healthcare system.  I’m seeing many reports of younger COVID sufferers being turned away even when they are showing severe symptoms. I’ve heard that some hospitals don’t admit patients until they are in need of a ventilator. 

It seems there is no consistency in who gets tested and who gets treated. My question is if we start to show symptoms, would it be a good idea to go to/consult our infectious disease doctor first instead of the ER? Also, Although it does not appear that having controlled HIV increases risk, would we still get priority for testing and treatment if we show symptoms? I’m wondering if this is a situation where ignorance about hiv among the general medical community may work in our favor.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 20, 2020, 08:17:23 am
Thanks Mike

Now is just a lousy time to have a medical emergency... covid or not.

With resources being prioritized, maybe worse for negative people.

It's always a bad time but in the midst of this crisis it's even worse timing.
Hope your father feels better soon.

Hugs.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 20, 2020, 06:44:30 pm
Friday 20 March 2020
https://www.bhiva.org/joint-EACS-BHIVA-statement-on-risk-of-coronavirus-for-PLWH

Joint statement on risk of Coronavirus (COVID-19) for people living with HIV (PLWH)
European AIDS Clinical Society (EACS) and British HIV Association (BHIVA)

COVID-19 & HIV
So far there is no evidence for a higher COVID-19 infection rate or different disease course in people with HIV than in HIV-negative people. Current evidence indicates that the risk of severe illness increases with age, male sex and with certain chronic medical problems such as cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Although people with HIV who are on treatment with a normal CD4 T-cell count and suppressed viral load may not be at an increased risk of serious illness, many people with HIV have other conditions that increase their risk. Indeed, almost half of people living with HIV in Europe are older than 50 years and chronic medical problems such as cardiovascular and chronic lung disease are more common in people living with HIV. It has to be assumed that immune suppression, indicated by a low CD4 T-cell count (<200/µl) or not receiving antiretroviral treatment, will also be associated with an increased risk for a more severe disease presentation. No data are available with regard to pregnancy or potential perinatal transmission in the context of HIV.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 20, 2020, 09:30:28 pm
My Partner was reading the paper this evening, and asked me what blood type I was. I said I am  O+

He said according to this article you may be at lower risk of getting the Coronavirus.

Coronavirus is more prominent in type A blood. I asked him what blood type he is, Ed said, " I never known what type blood I have".

So far the heck of it I checked at Walmart and Walgreens, and they have home tests kits for this for about $12.00  I said you should know your blood type. I said be prepared to be pricked tomorrow !

Do many people here know their blood types ?  Just curious ! Anyway found the article interesting.



I can't find the link to the article that was in the paper, But did find this :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/18/people-blood-type-may-greater-risk-coronavirus-say-scientists/

Ray

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 20, 2020, 09:34:34 pm

Mike and Zach,   I hope your parents continue to improve, and can get back home soon.

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bocker3 on March 20, 2020, 10:15:36 pm
Thanks for the good wishes.  Now that we know Mom does NOT have Coronavirus, I'll stop posting about her in this thread -- just a final update.  Turns out that she had a stroke (plus a bad UTI).  It's left her completely confused and she is not lucid -- none of us (my 3 brothers nor I) have been able to have a cogent conversation with her and we can't visit her in the hospital because of the COVID-19 precautions.  She will be moved into a rehab. facility in the next day or two -- where we, again, won't be able to visit her.  Hopefully the rehab work will help her return to some normalcy.  There is still an unknown around how much she'll recover - but at least we now know what the problem is that needs to be addressed

Again -- thanks for the good wishes.

Mike
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 21, 2020, 03:51:43 am
Hi Mike,

I'm very sorry to hear this. Hope her recovery goes well and that the corona crisis & restrictions pass quickly so you can see her again soon. 

Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 21, 2020, 08:48:18 pm
Few updates from https://www.poz.com/tag/coronavirus

- Kaletra HIV Combo Is Not Effective Against New Coronavirus
The protease inhibitor combination did not work significantly better than supportive care overall, though those treated earlier might benefit.
https://www.poz.com/article/kaletra-hiv-combo-effective-new-coronavirus

- No Proof That HIV Med Prezista Treats COVID-19, Warns Drugmaker
What’s more, reports that Kaletra can fight the novel coronavirus have not been confirmed. https://www.poz.com/article/proof-hiv-med-prezista-treats-covid19-warns-drugmaker

- USA - A State-by-State Guide to the Novel Coronavirus
U.S. state health departments are providing information about COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. https://www.poz.com/article/statebystate-guide-novel-coronavirus
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 22, 2020, 05:08:31 am
So,people haven't been staying much inside the I houses and complete lockdown might be inevitable.
My biggest fear right now is getting my meds as fast as possible tomorrow,otherwise I'll be out of meds in just a week. I can't even get the ferry to take them myself,since no-one is allowed out or in of the island.
I hope I will be able to pull through this.....
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 22, 2020, 09:04:50 am
In all fairness odds seemed to be heading towards that direction from the start if you ask me.

If you can't get your meds this week, in the event of a lock down I'm sure there will be arrangements for prescriptions. If not then worse case scenario you will be without for a few weeks, it's best avoid but I would see no reason to panic either if it was me.



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on March 22, 2020, 09:45:44 am
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If not then worse case scenario you will be without for a few weeks
a quick note in a "worst case scenario",  don't half-ass take your meds. Either take all your meds every day.... or don't take them at all.

Resistance develops when your adherence is erratic or incomplete. In other words, skipping every other day or skipping a day, then taking meds a couple of days, then not taking meds a few days is the way the level of meds in your system will not stay high enough to stop HIV but will stay enough for HIV to learn to mutate around that med.

If you can't get meds or run out of meds, it's better to take your regular doses until you run out and then quit taking your meds altogether. taking only a few of your meds (if your regimen is more than 1 pill a day) or spacing out the doses is a big risk for resistance. However, stopping altogether preserves the effectiveness of a regimen once restarted.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: TGun on March 22, 2020, 09:54:40 am
Just curious if anyone knows how the Covid-19 tests actually work.   I am anticipating my employer MANDATING a test here in the next few weeks and I am scared to death that the test may also inadvertently test for other viruses and somehow my status then becoming known, which would create huge problems and be a career ender most likely... if anyone can please shed some light on this topic it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: bocker3 on March 22, 2020, 10:25:27 am
I would think that this test would be specific for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 
I simply can't imagine that HIV would be detected.

I know there are new tests coming now, but I believe initially they were using a PCR technology (Polymerase Chain Reaction).  Again, these tests are looking for SPECIFIC viral markers.

I think you are fine here.

MIke
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 22, 2020, 10:30:10 am
I just saw that the lockdown will happen and people will need to fill out forms online to go out (supermarket etc),Idk if the post office will be open or not,but I'll phone in the ward tomorrow and see if I can actually get meds or not. I am feeling like I can't even breathe or walk. And it's not like I didn't  call sooner and they denied me and said "call later" twice.
Anyways,I'll sew what happens tomorrow.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 22, 2020, 10:40:01 am
I just saw that the lockdown will happen and people will need to fill out forms online to go out (supermarket etc),Idk if the post office will be open or not,but I'll phone in the ward tomorrow and see if I can actually get meds or not. I am feeling like I can't even breathe or walk. And it's not like I didn't  call sooner and they denied me and said "call later" twice.
Anyways,I'll sew what happens tomorrow.

Try to remain calm. Without your HIV meds it's not like you will drop dead overnight. If they have forms for supermarket visits then there will be similar for meds hopefully. Anyhow, don't panic, just see about getting information over the next few days
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 22, 2020, 10:47:58 am
Thank you,I  am calmer now and reading both your posts. The post office I take my meds at hasn't updated any news so maybe it will stay open. Tomorrow will tell. Again thank you so much.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on March 22, 2020, 01:03:59 pm
@Fabio: you have to take a ferry to the mainland where you pick up your meds at a postoffice ? A postoffice ?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 22, 2020, 01:44:25 pm
Either get the meds from my local post office or go by ferry to the main land (if the post is closed) and get the meds at the wards pharmacy. It's really inconveniently stupid,but it's the only thing I can think of.
If it comes to it and both these are impossible I might contact the government and try to ask them to go there and get them myself or have them delivered some way or another. I'm not losing hope yet.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 22, 2020, 01:57:37 pm
Good news: The post is open and I can get my meds by filling a form to go out.
I thank you so much for calming me down,I'm sorry I went blabbering and panicking. Again thanks.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 22, 2020, 03:10:00 pm
Good news: The post is open and I can get my meds by filling a form to go out.
I thank you so much for calming me down,I'm sorry I went blabbering and panicking. Again thanks.

Relax, absolutely nothing to apologize for.

Glad to hear everything is fine.  :)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 23, 2020, 01:23:36 am
For those in the U.S. or anywhere else that watched the Coronavirus update this afternoon on TV, Did ANYONE,  catch Trumps response, to being told that Mitt Romney was in self isolation.  I was watching it live,  and pick it up pretty easily.

If that was not meant as a snide remark about Romney, I don't know what is.

It's a short video starts at around 10 seconds, when the reporter informs trump of which senators are in isolation. And informs him that Rand Paul Tested positive.  What a Dirt bag trump is.  I think I saw a little smile try to form on his face :

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/trump-responds-mitt-romney-self-quarantine-gee-too-bad.html

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1241859642084466689

The link to that video was deleted here's another.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Delby on March 23, 2020, 02:56:14 am
Hi All

Hope our community is doing ok and keeping safe. We’re doing ok. Trying to keep the kids busy with plenty of walks and activities. Although they are closing a lot of the outdoor spaces in the UK as people aren’t behaving responsibly. I think a full lock down over the next few days is highly inevitable.

I just wanted to share some positive news with you. Lloyd Russell-Moyle, a Labour MP in the UK tested + for Covid 2 weeks ago. He is also HIV +. He’s just announced on his twitter feed that he’s almost made a full recovery.

https://mobile.twitter.com/lloyd_rm

The take home on this virus is that each person responds differently. There are many many reports of young and fit healthy people, currently in critical care and fighting for their lives against Covid. The statistics show that there is a 0.4% rate of mortality for 30-40yr olds so casualties in this age group of healthy people are unfortunately inevitable.

I hope the good news above alleviate some of the fear we pozzers have all had around Covid, including myself. We must all try to keep safe. Things are going to get quite ugly out there. It will become dark but we will rise again. Take care of yourself. Your loved ones. Your mental health and remember that today doesn’t last forever. Things will eventually change for the better.

Delby x
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 24, 2020, 09:28:47 pm
Hope everyone is doing well.

No major developments here in Ireland, just some further travel and shopping restrictions.

Best, Jim 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on March 25, 2020, 01:29:48 am
MCO (movement control order) just extended for 2 more weeks here. Till 14 Apr.
No problem heading to hospital to refill meds. A bit bored.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: daveR on March 25, 2020, 02:03:02 am
We are expecting a big announcement here in Thailand tomorrow. All travel between provinces is expected to be stopped and a 7pm to 7am curfew is amongst the rumours. I am due a hospital visit in May but went this morning and got an additional 3 months medication. Brings my stash up to 6 months worth. Just in case they crack down harder. I would rather be looking at my meds instead of for them.
I hope others can build up a small stock, just in case this drags out.

Take care
Dave
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 25, 2020, 08:50:11 am
COVID-19 Advice for People With HIV From the Experts Who Know
Interim guidance from HIVMA and AIDSinfo covers lab visits, opioid treatment programs, pregnant women and other HIV-related topics.

Nothing new as such regarding risks, etc.

https://www.poz.com/article/covid19-advice-people-hiv-experts-know
In the section for all people with HIV, AIDSinfo notes that:



P.S

A dedicated thread for sharing thoughts and ideas related to keeping busy and maintaining mental health during this time of physical distancing and/or isolation has been opened in the off-topic section: https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=74042.0

Please continue to post any other coronavirus updates, comments or questions in this thread within the "living with HIV" section.  I will continue to merge any new posts into one of the two Coronavirus threads, this effort is not only to avoid duplication but also to ensure people who want to discuss it can and, with the latest information.

Additionally, this means that members who are finding the topic particularly distressing or those wishing to take a break from COVID-19 can and aren't confronted with dozens of separate threads across the forum.

Best, Jim


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on March 25, 2020, 05:16:13 pm
Jim, have there been actual cases of coinfection?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 25, 2020, 05:24:20 pm
Complete lockdown here,we have to fill forms to go to supermarket,it's been raining too so I can't stay and sunbathe in the terrace. It's probably the 3rd day of this,I'm really jealous of the ones living on the country side (police won't patrol there). Been trying to exercise a bit (and watch what I eat haha)
I hope everyone is doing well,the news make me quite sad about what's happening to Italy right now. Here in Greece we have 820 with the virus,or close to that and 15 dead.
I hope you are safe with your families and wanted to say that we will all get through this,we are a good community (although an internet community,we are a strong one).
All the best from me.

Fabian
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 25, 2020, 09:11:51 pm
Jim, have there been actual cases of coinfection?

PLHIV acquiring COVID19 you mean?

Yeah, at least I've seen a few claims from people online who are living with HIV to have COVID-19.
Also, in at least one of the lopinavir-ritonavir reports, PLHIV were excluded, because of concerns about the development of resistance to lopinavir-ritonavir if used without combining with other antiretrovirals, so from that, we could conclude at least a few people living with HIV had COVID19 in order to be considered and excluded from the trial.  Cao B, Wang Y, Wen D et al. A Trial of Lopinavir-Ritonavir in Adults Hospitalized with Severe Covid-19. N Engl J Med 2020; doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa2001282

Reporting so far has not called out HIV specifically as comorbidity or a factor in illness progression, now I have not seen any case studies, that could be there is nothing of interest to report medically speaking and/or in the mess nobody has time to write up immaterial case reports.

Although it seems reading all the expert options and publications, (Keeping up with them is a struggle) the message seems consistent that disease course of COVID-19 in persons living with HIV doesn't differ from HIV neg people.

Nothing new as such regarding risks, etc.

https://www.poz.com/article/covid19-advice-people-hiv-experts-know
In the section for all people with HIV, AIDSinfo notes that:

  • The limited data currently available do not indicate that the disease course of COVID-19 in persons with HIV differs from that in persons without HIV. Before the advent of effective combination antiretroviral therapy…advanced HIV infection [such as when a CD4 cell count is less than 200] was a risk factor for complications of other respiratory infections. Whether this is also true for COVID-19 is yet unknown.
  • Some people with HIV have other comorbidities (e.g., cardiovascular disease or lung disease) that increase the risk for a more severe course of COVID-19 illness. Chronic smokers are also at risk of more severe disease.
  • Thus, until more is known, additional caution for all persons with HIV, especially those with advanced HIV or poorly controlled HIV, is warranted.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 25, 2020, 09:18:10 pm
it's been raining too so I can't stay and sunbathe in the terrace.

Terrace ... Well, looking on the bright side, at least you have a terrace for when the sunny weather returns.  ;)
Stay safe and, enjoy the rain from the window.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 26, 2020, 08:45:48 am
https://www.poz.com/article/supply-hiv-hepatitis-meds-secure-says-gilead

Supply of Our HIV and Hepatitis Meds Is Secure, Says Gilead
The assurance arrives as the pharma giant cuts off most emergency access to remdesivir, a potential COVID-19 treatment.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 28, 2020, 12:28:25 am
Ireland has gone into 3/4 lockdown.

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-coronavirus-5060475-Mar2020/
Taoiseach tells everyone in Ireland to stay at home for two weeks from midnight tonight, with only specific listed exemptions

Late-night thought, every generation growing up has that big historical event that as a child sticks with them for life. Neil Armstrong on the moon 1969, Berlin wall 1989,  9/11 2001, just thinking prehaps for my kids, it's going to be the COVID19 the year the world paused.

How is everyone else doing?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 28, 2020, 11:58:35 am


How is everyone else doing?

Ed and I are doing great so far.  We're just following all the guidelines that are in place,  Social distancing etc.

We go shopping once every 5 days. And we don't hord. We get out and walk everyday, We're doing about 2 miles a day.

Ed and I love cooking, so no problem there. But previous to all this we went out almost daily and had lunch.  We are also supporting our local restaurants that remain open for take-out, By ordering and taking out when we decide not to cook.

We are also doing plenty of projects around the house, that keeps us busy.


Stay well Everyone---Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 28, 2020, 08:17:41 pm
Ed and I are doing great so far.  We're just following all the guidelines that are in place,  Social distancing etc.

We go shopping once every 5 days. And we don't hord. We get out and walk everyday, We're doing about 2 miles a day.

Ed and I love cooking, so no problem there. But previous to all this we went out almost daily and had lunch.  We are also supporting our local restaurants that remain open for take-out, By ordering and taking out when we decide not to cook.

We are also doing plenty of projects around the house, that keeps us busy.


Stay well Everyone---Ray

Sounds like you are coping well and got a routine going. The going out for short walks is a good one.

Keep staying safe, best Jim.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: happy74 on March 29, 2020, 10:42:53 am
I am here a Hong Kong people also under this coronavirus pandemic at the early stage but we are all really alert and good experience as we faced 2003 SARS. I know most western countries thinking of Asian is overreacting about putting on "MASKS" which is useless at all. However, i really pleased you all even positive and negative people. Don't under estimate this virus. Please pay your responsibility to yourself and others , Mask can protect you get rid of 2 orifice not contacting the droplets when you are in bus, taxi or other crowded place, it can minimize you to touch your face, on the other hand, put on mask can protect others as the virus having no symptoms at the beginning but can be transmitted to others. We have many cases that they exposed in bars, restaurants, church as they are neglecting on not putting on masks during gatherings. Moreover, as you know for testing the virus result is just the same as testing HIV and hepatitis. These 2 disease would be given you knowledge that they have a long period of time with no symptoms but can be transmitted by blood and body fluid. Coronavirus is by droplets.
Please be aware  yourself with good protection and best personal hygiene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvg0KnTKhU
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 29, 2020, 11:15:23 am
I am here a Hong Kong people also under this coronavirus pandemic at the early stage but we are all really alert and good experience as we faced 2003 SARS. I know most western countries thinking of Asian is overreacting about putting on "MASKS" which is useless at all. However, i really pleased you all even positive and negative people. Don't under estimate this virus. Please pay your responsibility to yourself and others , Mask can protect you get rid of 2 orifice not contacting the droplets when you are in bus, taxi or other crowded place, it can minimize you to touch your face, on the other hand, put on mask can protect others as the virus having no symptoms at the beginning but can be transmitted to others. We have many cases that they exposed in bars, restaurants, church as they are neglecting on not putting on masks during gatherings. Moreover, as you know for testing the virus result is just the same as testing HIV and hepatitis. These 2 disease would be given you knowledge that they have a long period of time with no symptoms but can be transmitted by blood and body fluid. Coronavirus is by droplets.
Please be aware  yourself with good protection and best personal hygiene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvg0KnTKhU

Hiya,

Appreciate the thought, and facemasks sound nice but it would have limited impact on the spread within the gen population under isolation and were hygiene conditions are practised well.

So far it does seem to have triggered mass panic, the spread of illness, misuse and to shortages in PPE equipment for front-line care staff in nations like The Netherlands and Ireland. In the Netherlands, it got so bad that the red-cross was collecting them from the public to be put back into use within care settings where they are needed and do make a real impact.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/would-everyone-wearing-face-masks-help-us-slow-pandemic

https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/should-i-wear-a-mask-to-protect-against-the-coronavirus

https://www.trouw.nl/binnenland/grootste-zorg-van-ziekenhuizen-misschien-wel-het-dreigend-tekort-aan-mondkapjes~b2a5363b/?referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks




Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 29, 2020, 02:13:55 pm
I've been getting a lot of PM's & Emails with concerns these past few days, it's understandable, I am committed to answering everyone, as soon as I can but please be patient. Thanks. 

P.S If anyone wants to talk through skype, just let me know.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: xiskza on March 29, 2020, 02:27:04 pm
I really dont know what to feel. I read corona only isn't dangerous to those who are undetectable and CD4 of +500. I'm neither of those, so I'm feeling quite alarmed. I also take care of my 2 elderly parents who have chronic illnesses, and I definitely don't want to pass it on to them

I'm also weary about getting medication. The place where I'm being followed and have my blood drawn is at the center of the pandemic in my country. People who are getting treated at that hospital, are all at the infectious diseases wing, which is where I go normally.

I probably can skip getting my blood drawn, but I can't skip the appointment so that I can get my meds at least. But I'm just too afraid to go to that wing now of the most infected hospital in the country.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on March 29, 2020, 03:52:26 pm
Is there a way to get them sent via post,because that's how I get mine. Try to ask in the ward if they can send it to you.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 30, 2020, 12:02:09 pm
Is there a way to get them sent via post,because that's how I get mine. Try to ask in the ward if they can send it to you.

@xiskza

I would agree it can't hurt to ask if they can post out medication to you or make alternative arrangements.

Same as with my clinic that is a lead in COVID care, I somehow doubt though they would have regular appointments coming into direct contact with or into the same space of people in care for COVID19, they are bound to have made arrangements on-site for separation and infection control.

But give them a ring if you are concerned.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Seahawks206 on March 30, 2020, 12:11:11 pm
I'm new here and I was just reading through everyone's post. As everyone else I am also concerned. I'm definitely no doctor but, according to what I've been reading from reliable sources most people with HIV and over 200 CD4 counts show no difference in the course corona virus takes from someone who doesn't. But really there is not enough data to support anything at this point.

If you are under 200 CD4's or even over try to follow CDC's recommendations and being extra vigilante when dealing with this. Stay home as much as possible, wash your hands, don't touch your face, practice social distancing and maintain a positive attitude. Attitude seems to be very important, I'm reading about people in their 90's who have recovered and the main thing they had in common was a positive attitude and or a faith they will get better. The mind is powerful, when I'm anxious I feel chest tightness right away and can even make my body temp rise so I really believe the state of mind is important. 

I wish there was something to ease everyone's concerns, but right now no one really knows what's going to happen. Try to focus on the things you can control like staying at home, social distancing and washing your hands and not touching your face especially when out in public. I know some people with HIV and Corona virus who are recovering just fine. I personally carry around a spray bottle with alcohol and wipes to spray down elevator buttons and door handles when I go out, they are touched so often. It helps me and others in my building.

Hope everyone is well! 

From Seattle,
Eddie

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 30, 2020, 12:23:04 pm
@Eddie,

Welcome to the forum, as a new member of the HIV community can you please open an introduction thread and introduce yourself to the forum. I presume you are living with HIV? So let us know how are you doing, how the treatment is going etc.  It's standard for new members.

Thank you.

As for COVID19, yeah, plenty is known, and things are being updated as info comes out.  Understand not everything is known but that's not possible either, but anyone focusing on what isn't known and what is outside their control is not helping themselves. 

Summary so far from experts and reliable sources is there is factually nothing to suggest with a good CD4 count and UD viral load as a group we are more or less vulnerable so far for this virus. It also depends if individuals have other underlying health issues. Anyhow, the same precautions apply, follow the published advice, normal hygiene steps and physical distancing during this outbreak like everyone should be doing.

Those with untreated HIV or with low CD4 counts might fall into a group with slightly higher risk. There is not much that individuals can do other than follow the published advice, normal hygiene steps and physical distancing.

Jim

Reliable sources:
https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=73775.0
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on March 30, 2020, 04:47:21 pm
 >:(

And of course, you have the crazy religious ones, that can't seem to follow county and state orders.

Pastor arrested in Tampa:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/pastor-of-tampa-church-that-held-2-large-sunday-services-arrested-jailed/ar-BB11VzzL?li=BBnb7Kz

And in Louisiana, a hotbed of infection this nutjob:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/louisiana-church-defies-covid-19-order-holds-sunday-services/ar-BB11SYNG?li=BBnb7Kz


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on March 31, 2020, 10:34:26 pm
Crazy is this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52088987

He put his wife in the boot (Trunk) of the car  :o

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A driver flouted the coronavirus lockdown to pick up £15 windows with his wife in the boot of his car.

The man, who had bought the windows on eBay, was stopped by police on the M6 in Cheshire on Sunday after collecting his purchase in Salford.

Police said his wife had to sit in the boot as she "could not fit in the vehicle" for the return journey to Coventry.

North West Motorway Police issued the man with a traffic offence report.

After the force tweeted news of the 220-mile round trip people reacted with a mixture of shock and disbelief.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 01, 2020, 04:56:59 pm
Finally, after receiving a lot of pressure, from many Floridians and others, the Governor of Florida  has issued a statewide stay at home order effective Midnight on April 2nd.
Florida corona-virus cases have been increasing dramatically, and he has been refusing to put this order in place.  The pressure got to him ! He is also a real buddy of trump.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/04/01/ongoing-coronavirus-coverage

"STATEWIDE — Gov. Ron DeSantis said Wednesday he'll order Floridians to limit movement to only "essential services."

The mandate, via executive order, comes amid ongoing pressure that DeSantis issue a statewide stay-at-home order as coronavirus cases continue to grow."

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 02, 2020, 12:11:42 am
https://www.poz.com/article/diabetes-lung-disease-heart-disease-appear-raise-covid19-risk

In Short:
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Diabetes, Lung Disease and Heart Disease Appear to Raise COVID-19 Risk

This finding, which is in keeping with initial studies out of China and Italy, is preliminary as the CDC continues to gather data.

An initial analysis of a small subset of more than 120,000 COVID-19 cases reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) indicates that people with underlying health conditions, such as diabetes, chronic lung disease and cardiovascular disease, appear to be at higher risk for severe disease associated with the new coronavirus than people without these conditions.

These findings are in keeping with previous studies out of China and Italy, where the coronavirus outbreak first spread especially widely, as well as other sources.

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The researchers had at their disposal data on the presence of underlying health conditions among 7,162 (5.8%) of the 122,653 people with COVID-19. Thirty-eight percent of these individuals had at least one underlying health condition or other risk factor. The most common such conditions were diabetes (11%), chronic lung disease (9.2%) and cardiovascular disease (9.0%). These conditions were followed by being immunocompromised (3.7%) and having chronic kidney disease (3.0%). Less than 1% had chronic liver disease.

The study authors did not report any data regarding people living with HIV. Although being immunocompromised is a COVID-19 risk factor, experts say that HIV-positive people who had a fully suppressed viral load thanks to antiretroviral treatment do not appear to be at greater risk because of their HIV status.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: wardp on April 02, 2020, 10:08:10 am
Hi, just wondered how everyone around the world is managing their 6 monthly testing and replenishing their arvs during pandemic?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 02, 2020, 11:17:56 am

Had my last labs done on March 13th.  Will visit with the infectious disease Doctor at the VA hospital on April 13th, to discuss those results.  So far no cancellation.

No problems with refilling of meds at this point, which are delivered through the postal service or sometimes through UPS.

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 02, 2020, 12:14:00 pm
Had my last labs done on March 13th.  Will visit with the infectious disease Doctor at the VA hospital on April 13th, to discuss those results.  So far no cancellation.

Ray


Correction, ...I just called my ID Doctor to see if the April 13th visit is still on.  We decided to postpone that until June 16th.  This is ok for me, as I can see my lab results on line, and currently there are no results that may need looking at or discussion about. Everything is fine. The VA medical system is going through changes day by day.

She also decided to renew a 90 supply of medications to play it on the safe side.

In addition, I have labs scheduled for my primary care on May 27th,20,   So she decided to add another viral load and cd4 count onto those labs as well. Now I am wondering about my primary care appointment on June 4th, and whether or not that should be rescheduled.  Will wait and see for this one.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 02, 2020, 12:39:09 pm
Hi, just wondered how everyone around the world is managing their 6 monthly testing and replenishing their arvs during pandemic?

Not an easy choice for some people to make.

I suppose everyone has to make their own choice, of course, hopefully, choices are made with medical guidance where possible during this crisis.

My own personal choice considering my relatively stable lab history, underlying conditions and following the “Interim Guidance for COVID-19 and Persons with HIV”  was to cancel my upcoming May appointment and to stay home. I'm very lucky in the sense that I have 8 months of ART on stock at home.

Clinic Visits:
https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/guidelines/html/8/covid-19-and-persons-with-hiv--interim-guidance-/554/interim-guidance-for-covid-19-and-persons-with-hiv

https://www.poz.com/article/covid19-advice-people-hiv-experts-know
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Is it a good idea to go to your clinic or doctor for HIV-related appointments at this time?

AIDSinfo advises those with a suppressed viral load and stable health to postpone routine visits if possible. Concerned individuals could instead call their doctor or use telemedicine to replace face-to-face meetings.

ART:

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Persons with HIV Should:

Maintain on-hand at least a 30-day supply—and ideally a 90-day supply—of antiretroviral (ARV) drugs and other medications.
Talk to their pharmacists and/or healthcare providers about changing to mail order delivery of medications when possible.
Persons for whom a regimen switch is planned should consider delaying the switch until close follow-up and monitoring are possible.
Lopinavir/ritonavir (LPV/r) has been used as an off-label treatment for patients with COVID-19 and clinical trials are underway globally. If protease inhibitors (PIs) are not already part of a person’s ARV regimen, their regimen should not be changed to include a PI to prevent or treat COVID-19, except in the context of a clinical trial and in consultation with an HIV specialist. In a small open-label trial, 199 hospitalized patients with COVID-19 were randomized to either 14 days of LPV/r plus standard of care or standard of care alone. No statistically significant difference was seen between the two groups, with regards to time to clinical improvement or mortality.1

Of course, regional or national advice and resourcing will differ, and as said check with your doctor if possible. I did check the local advice here before making my choice as well. Below is the current advice for Ireland as an example.

https://www.hivireland.ie/living-with-hiv/hiv-and-covid-19/

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HIV Clinics
Are HIV clinics still operating?

Yes, however some clinics are closed to new appointments and are rescheduling existing appointments. Many HIV clinic staff including infectious disease specialists, nurses, and administrative staff are currently working on the frontline of the COVID-19 pandemic.

If you are due to attend a clinic you will be contacted in relation to your appointment and / or the collection of medication. If you are displaying symptoms of COVID-19 please do not attend and contact the clinic by phone.

If you telephone your clinic and receive a recorded message, you should leave a voice message with your name, your contact number, and your hospital number (if you know it) so that the clinic staff  can contact you.

My clinic cancelled my appointment and I have not been given a new appointment date. What should I do?

If your clinic has postponed or cancelled your appointment, you should receive a new appointment date in due course. If you do not receive an appointment date, and you require one, you should contact the clinic.

If you require an urgent appointment, you should contact the clinic and explain.

I am newly diagnosed with HIV. What should I do?

If you are newly diagnosed with HIV and you are unsure what to do or need additional support, please contact your GP / healthcare provider.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on April 02, 2020, 01:03:36 pm
Hi from USA (East Coast) -  things are ok where i live so far. We have cases but i live in the country area. I was wondering about these clinical trials with using ART drugs....I take Triumeq and Jim you were saying something about protease inhibitors?  Is that in Triumeq? I googled but you know google...lol...

Anyways, my son and I are safe and healthy thus far. Wearing face masks and staying in!  My job cut my hours to 24 hours which stinks but apparently i can file for unemployment here. We are sad that his school is closed and went to online learning but at this time, better to be safe and home then out there. 

Blessing to everyone!!   
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 02, 2020, 01:13:49 pm
Hiya,

I'm on Triumeq as well.

PI's, here is an easy list of them - https://www.poz.com/drugs/classes/Protease-Inhibitors

So far though treatment with them for COVID19 is mixed results, I don't think we will know for sure anytime soon and I don't think anyone has even thought about if it could work as some sort of PrEP in the dosage used normally in HIV treatment.

Open to correction thought from anyone with reliably published sources ...

I last checked the news on this stuff 4-5 days ago and filtered out what seemed nonsense, just opinions or unreliable reposts

Ribavirin, Remdesivir, Sofosbuvir, Galidesivir, and Tenofovir against SARS-CoV-2 RNA dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp): A molecular docking study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320520303404

"Gilead mulls repositioning failed Ebola drug in China virus". Fierce Biotech. Retrieved 31 January 2020. https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/gilead-mulls-repositioning-failed-ebola-drug-china-virus

Keep in mind other HIV drugs have so far failed despite initial promising results.

Cao B, Wang Y, Wen D et al. A Trial of Lopinavir-Ritonavir in Adults Hospitalized with Severe Covid-19. N Engl J Med 2020; doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa2001282

- Kaletra HIV Combo Is Not Effective Against New Coronavirus
The protease inhibitor combination did not work significantly better than supportive care overall, though those treated earlier might benefit.
https://www.poz.com/article/kaletra-hiv-combo-effective-new-coronavirus

- No Proof That HIV Med Prezista Treats COVID-19, Warns Drugmaker
What’s more, reports that Kaletra can fight the novel coronavirus have not been confirmed. https://www.poz.com/article/proof-hiv-med-prezista-treats-covid19-warns-drugmaker
 

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Anyways, my son and I are safe and healthy thus far. Wearing face masks and staying in!  My job cut my hours to 24 hours which stinks but apparently i can file for unemployment here. We are sad that his school is closed and went to online learning but at this time, better to be safe and home then out there.


The job cutting the hours sucks, sorry to hear that. Most important though is staying safe and glad to hear you are safe and healthy so far with your son.

Stay safe, hugs.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: ivanm on April 03, 2020, 02:46:46 pm
Hi Jim, hi everyone.

I'm new to this forum, so here is a brief presentation of me: I'm from Mexico (so pardon the grammar), 35, and I do journalism (opinion, commentary, not reporting) for a living. I was diagnosed last October. My first CD4 results were 70 and VL 71000, I started ART (biktarvy) on October 9th and for December 1st the results were 316 and VL 71.

We here in Mexico have two main state health insurance for workers, but not for freelances (like me), who can access another state-based service (nationwide but administrated by local governments; actually we had some changes, but never mind for this post; just think of something like obamacare). So everyone who tested positive in the country have free-access to medication, laboratories, medical services, etc... and we specifically in Mexico City (the capital of the country) have a very organized and professional specialized clinic (Condesa). I am very grateful for this so my experience as a PLWHIV has been very "comfortable" and easy going thanks to the people who work at Condesa (I didn't use to go to a dentist or dermathologist on a regular basis, for example, they have a group of them and specialized on HIV and aids-related infections).

I was an occasionally reader of POZ, and recently included it as part of my routine. Since coronavirus I started to check out this forum also on a daily basis.

So... I was not very anxious (I can stay at home and been here, doing the grocery shop online and that), but had some concerns as we enter just this week on a quarantine (and not a major one as NYC or LA) AND information on the pandemic and public health policies have been not very clear or professional (we have a Fauci but also our very Trump in chief). I had a scheduled refill and scheduled labs. From social media, Condesa Clinic was clear that the services were not going to be suspended, but then they canceled labs for people who have a healthy and controlled situation (like me, past labs results were very fine at all, I have no comorbidities; I would love to have new CD4 and VL count but the laboratory that made this two is the National Institute for Respiratory issues, so I understand they are on a crisis and I can wait).

They encouraged us by e-mail or messages on social media that if not necessary or an emergency, just go to the clinic to get your meds when they finish. We regularly have to go there every month for a one month supply...

And, this is why I wanted to post this, just if there is someone of you curious about situations in other countries: I just checked in the office today, gave my clinic-ID, they checked on the system and I got three months supply, just as main world health and aids organizations are suggesting.

So... we are ok in here, I can imagine some people are more anxious, those who have to work outside or those with another health issued like diabetes or arterial hypertension but we as PLWHIV are safe and at least with a stock of pills at home for three months.

Best for all, and thank you Jim for your work here. Stay safe and if possible, stay at home.

Ivan
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 03, 2020, 04:09:58 pm
 ::)

 I Subscribe to newsletters. One of those I subscribe to is Medpage Today :

https://www.medpagetoday.com/

Anyway,, I had a newsletter yesterday from them that brought a smirk to my face. This is satirical.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/gomer/85708

The title of this article was :

CDC: Coronavirus Vaccine Will Be Ready for Refusal By Anti-Vaxxers By 2021

Couple quotes from the article:

"Opportunity to decline, refuse, and reject a potentially life-saving vaccine as early as possible"  :P

CDC officials announced Tuesday that they believe the new vaccine currently under development aimed at controlling the rapidly spreading SARS-CoV-2 virus -- responsible for causing COVID-19 -- will be approved and ready to be utterly rejected by those in the anti-vaccination (anti-vax) movement by next year.

"This is an exciting development," said Eric Polsky, director of the CDC's Novel Vaccination Program, "and we will work tirelessly to ensure all anti-vaxxers have the opportunity to decline, refuse, and reject this potentially life-saving vaccine as early as possible."

The announcement has many in the anti-vaccination movement excited, including a local woman present at the press conference, who noted, "I just get such a thrill from ignoring mountains of scientific evidence at the danger of threatening the world around me, and the chance to do that by yet again opting out of a critical vaccine is just delightful."
  :P


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: BubbaPat on April 05, 2020, 06:28:53 pm
I'm considered "essential" so I'm working. My last visit to my doc was a great visit in that we went over my numbers and he said "See ya in 4 months."  I've always been pretty "hardy" when it comes to my health but now my mental energy is draining.  I work with a younger crowd and they don't get that they do have a job and they should do it...not just show up and collect a check.  We have things to do to stay in business.
I'm contemplating calling in saying I just don't feel well... my boss doesn't know my status and I don't feel I need to tell him.
I'm just needing a break from coworkers and some of our more "pleasant" customers.

How about y'all?  Anyone in same boat?  Anyone struggling with being healthy while others are getting sick? Is the paranoia creeping in that "I" could get infected?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on April 05, 2020, 10:26:33 pm
I still work as a e-hailing driver.
Wearing mask.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: harleymc on April 07, 2020, 04:46:10 am
Yes. My job has been identified as essential and having HIV makes no difference to suseptability or seriousness of Covid infection
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: leatherman on April 07, 2020, 07:29:42 am
How about y'all?  Anyone in same boat?  Anyone struggling with being healthy while others are getting sick? Is the paranoia creeping in that "I" could get infected?
here in SC, my husband, who has been poz since 90 (about 5 yrs less than me but never aidsy/hospitalized) is working at a home improvement store m-f. Unfortunately as they are making money hand-over-fist (large dollars every day for the last 2 weeks. larger than black friday. and record sales for the last 2 weekends) will never close down unless the gov declares it. Of course, gov. mcmaster is a republican idiot and believes that jebus will protect us, ain't nobody gonna take our guns, and all sorts of stores are "essential", so we still have all sorts of people out and about.

luckily my hubby works on a specialized crew - and they are not republicans nor stupid. His supervisor got everyone masks (not the company, not the store; but the supervisor of a 10 person crew), the crew voted to change hours to avoid more
customers (ie idiots), and they have reported several sick coworkers from elsewhere in the store. Two coworkers actually have had the audacity to come back to work while they were mildly ill and were waiting on results of covid tests.

So the hubby worries about getting infected. I worry about him bringing it home - but we're taking lots of precautions (even sewing up our own masks this weekend), and keeping an HIV-positive but not Covid-positive attitude about it all. :D LOL

Paranoid? sure thing! We barely survived one epidemic and worry about surviving another when people in this area won't stay home and my husband has to keep working so we can pay the mortgage on the house we just bought a little over a year ago.

update:
just got a text from my husband after he got to work this morning - two people (employers at his store) have tested positive. Ack! :o :o :o
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CalvinC on April 08, 2020, 12:11:26 am
Things here in Toronto have certainly changed in relation to covid19; but as far as HIV goes, life is pretty much the same. I am blessed in having excellent insurance and even if I did not, the Ontario government would pay for my meds. So getting meds is not an issue, ever. Drug stores are open, my GP is working.

I get my bloodwork done at an HIV clinic at one of the hospitals here, that specializes in HIV patients. I see a specialist there once a year, bloodwork twice a year. They just called to cancel both, and are sending me a requisition to get blookwork done at a clinic.

Since the Canadian motto is Peace, Order, and Good Government (really it is, quite unlike Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness -- and there was a Canadian new wave band called The Pursuit of Happiness!), we good Canadians are practising our social distancing etc for the most part. Streets are very quiet for a 6 million people metropolis. It's like Sundays here used to be, before they introduced Sunday shopping in the late 80s: laid back and relaxed. Lots of sunny April days.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: wardp on April 11, 2020, 06:40:45 am
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/08/bcg-jabs-mean-six-times-less-likely-get-coronavirus-study-finds/ Interesting article, UK stopped BCG  years ago, Thailand are still vaccinating,,
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: wardp on April 12, 2020, 01:08:28 pm
How is everyone managing in Thailand during lockdown for tests meds etc?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Lorenzopier on April 12, 2020, 02:33:48 pm
I to am optimistic that a vaccine and other pharmaceutical treatment options will be available within the next 18 months. Viruses such as this have a long history going back thousands of years of dealing crushing blows to the world and in reality will probably continue to do so. It is great that we can devise new vaccines for each new seasonal virus that creeps up into our world, but during that delay period we are still very vulnerable which is the state that we are currently in. We also have the technology to use micro-nutrients, antioxidants and amino acids in the proper effective dosages as well as correct balance to temporarily ramp up a persons own immune defenses if a person becomes infected thereby lessening the severity of the symptoms as well as the duration. It is something that I have been practicing for almost 2 decades now. I think after the type of devastation that we are going through now it is finally time to take a closer look at what this type of technology can do for man.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PozChilean on April 12, 2020, 02:54:24 pm
I was fortunate enough to have my doctor to send me an online prescription for 6 months even though I had to cancel my April check up due to our local quarantine in Chile.

My lab results were normal so that makes me feel thankful I was allowed not to go the clinic for a new prescription.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 12, 2020, 02:56:21 pm
I was fortunate enough to have my doctor to send me an online prescription for 6 months even though I had to cancel my April check up due to our local quarantine in Chile.

My lab results were normal so that makes me feel thankful I was allowed not to go the clinic for a new prescription.

Good stuff being able to get an online prescription!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Expat1 on April 12, 2020, 06:54:59 pm
I would usually be getting viral load testing and blood work this month.

I was told to avoid the labs until after the "surge" and to wait until things calm down.

I needed refills and was reluctant to go to the hospital outpatient clinic so go my refills from a specialty hiv clinic that I use to get my Tafero-Em from.  They had Edurant in stock so I got everything from them, avoiding a trip into a hospital.  So I am set for next 4 months.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: wardp on April 13, 2020, 02:40:53 am
When is the surge expected in Thailand expat?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Ncmike66 on April 13, 2020, 09:58:33 pm
I am friends with about 10+ guys who are hiv+ and take their anti-viral meds “religiously” . NONE of my friends have become ill with Covid-19, even without social distancing measures, during the beginning,  to now, during the Covid-19 pandemic.  Could hiv antivirals really help in alleviating Covid-19 infection? 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on April 14, 2020, 10:32:34 am
I am friends with about 10+ guys who are hiv+ and take their anti-viral meds “religiously” . NONE of my friends have become ill with Covid-19, even without social distancing measures, during the beginning,  to now, during the Covid-19 pandemic.  Could hiv antivirals really help in alleviating Covid-19 infection?

No. Your example isn't even anecdotal
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 14, 2020, 11:44:48 am
I know this might sound ridiculous and out there way off base ?

what might be the result or an up side to this ,  it might just be an attempt to find a bright side to this horrible turn of events

when a farmer plants a field every year the soil can get worn and less productive.

so to increase productivity the farmer might leave a field unplowed this is called leaving a field fallow thus giving the soil a chance to recover and become more fertile and productive .

a comparison of our world to a field  reaching i know but it might give hope for a bright future in the time ahead .

not to mention every one might be more appreciative of the gifts life has to offer once the mayhem slows down the world recovers from this sickness it is now facing .

sickness changes the person who was ill. if they recover they can be a better person . in this situation the entire world feels the sickness. I am hopeful the entire world will be a better place when the recovery unfolds .

 I hope

all the best to you

EM
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Gladragsguy on April 14, 2020, 02:10:47 pm
Well actually there is a new study working with TRUVADA and Hydroxychloroquine...so never say never...we might just get lucky.
No. Your example isn't even anecdotal
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on April 15, 2020, 12:55:40 am
Interesting article from nature.com on how Covid-19 may hurt the immune system. Quote from the article..
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Some studies reported that lymphocytopenia might be related to mortality, especially in patients with low levels of CD3+, CD4+, and CD8+ T lymphocytes. 
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9

Also MedCram on YouTube explains this a bit further with doodles and charts...
https://youtu.be/8NffZAGELGg


I personally wouldn't let my guard down with this thing bc we don't know all there is to know about it.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 15, 2020, 12:29:35 pm


I personally wouldn't let my guard down with this thing bc we don't know all there is to know about it.


Same here as well !!  Now we're off to SAMS CLUB with rubber gloves and Masks !

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 16, 2020, 07:23:06 am
I was giving the COVID19 a bit of a break for a few days for my own wellbeing. So I apologize if the thread has not been kept as regularly updated.

Few interesting headlines, I mention the below one as it's a question that people have asked over PM and by email.

https://www.poz.com/article/questioning-covid19-outcomes-people-living-hiv
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“We Are Seeing Few Cases of HIV-Positive People With Severe COVID-19”
As a result, researchers in Spain are testing whether HIV med Truvada, often used as PrEP, can also prevent COVID-19.

Overall though, I should stress to my knowledge there is no real scientific evidence published yet to suggest that HIV treatment works or works at the dosage taken as PrEP against COVID19. Stay safe, wash hands, maintain physical distancing and follow your national/healthcare providers guidelines. 

Other items updated, although, nothing new or what we didn't already know.

http://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/coronavirus-covid-19-and-hiv

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The British HIV Association gives the following advice:

People with a CD4 count over 200, who are taking HIV treatment and have an undetectable viral load are considered at no greater risk than the general population. They should follow general advice to stay at home and maintain social distancing.

People with a CD4 count below 200, or who are not taking HIV treatment, or who have a detectable viral load may be at higher risk of severe illness. Nonetheless, they should still follow the same general advice.

People with a very low CD4 count below 50 or who have had an opportunistic illness in the last six months should follow the ‘shielding’ advice for the extremely vulnerable.

Other news and updated publications: https://www.poz.com/tag/coronavirus



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on April 17, 2020, 03:50:01 am
I am doing the same; too much news about COVID19, chokes me up and makes me anxious.
My parents are living overseas and it's driving me crazy not being able to visit them and to help where possible. I had to cancel my trip next may/june because of the total lock-down.
We are on a much longer leash overhere, and can move around quite easy as long as we observe the social distance measurements. However I choose to only go to the stores for food or as yesterday to the pharmacy for my meds.
I know some people who contracted the virus, but were mildly ill, and are now back to working from home.
I work at a large college in Amsterdam, organizing, planning and scheduling all the testings and exams, but the college decided to cancel all on site teaching activities till august 30. I now have nothing to do, and now sitting at home on furlough with full pay.
Like all others I have to be patient and sit this out.Hope you guys manage to keep well and sane.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: hereinny on April 18, 2020, 08:17:02 am
So with the news about remdesivir having promising results treating Covid19 a question came to mind.  If an HIV patient is currently taking something such as Atripla, Complera, Stribild or the like, would that person be able to take remdesivir in the event of a Corona Virus infection?

Im just curious as to weather or not it might interfere with workings of the medication being taken to treat HIV.  It seems essentially that it would be adding a 4th (in some cases 5th) component to the "cocktail".

Also what i found to be quite interesting is that some HIV doctors are reporting a trend they have observed in their own practices that MIGHT suggest that people with HIV are actually less prone to severe complications from Covid19.

Some interesting information but the question on my mind is on taking remdesivir in addition to other HIV treatment. 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on April 18, 2020, 12:04:57 pm
This is the site that my ID doctor checks for interactions:


https://www.hiv-druginteractions.org/checker
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 19, 2020, 12:48:43 pm
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So with the news about remdesivir having promising results treating Covid19 a question came to mind.  If an HIV patient is currently taking something such as Atripla, Complera, Stribild or the like, would that person be able to take remdesivir in the event of a Corona Virus infection?

Im just curious as to weather or not it might interfere with workings of the medication being taken to treat HIV.  It seems essentially that it would be adding a 4th (in some cases 5th) component to the "cocktail".

If, that happens, then the same as any other time a doctor has to treat multiple conditions, I will presume. They would have to asses what meds the person is on, the interaction risk if known and if their is a known risk decide what's best, i.e treatment interruption, switching meds, lowering dosages or alternative treatments etc.


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I am doing the same; too much news about COVID19, chokes me up and makes me anxious.
.

Yeah had to take a break. Have to say I found the Dutch news (NOS) has a better national & international coverage and, is far less sensationalized than the Irish media.

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My parents are living overseas and it's driving me crazy not being able to visit them and to help where possible. I had to cancel my trip next may/june because of the total lock-down.
We are on a much longer leash overhere, and can move around quite easy as long as we observe the social distance measurements. However I choose to only go to the stores for food or as yesterday to the pharmacy for my meds.
I know some people who contracted the virus, but were mildly ill, and are now back to working from home.
I work at a large college in Amsterdam, organizing, planning and scheduling all the testings and exams, but the college decided to cancel all on site teaching activities till august 30. I now have nothing to do, and now sitting at home on furlough with full pay.
Like all others I have to be patient and sit this out.Hope you guys manage to keep well and sane

Same here, although, I keep telling myself that my parents who live in Friesland are fine as hardly anyone lives there for them to interact with or get sick from to start with unless it migrates to the cows  ;D

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 19, 2020, 12:56:21 pm
BTW here is a link on the story about Remdesivir for anyone reading the thread..

https://www.poz.com/article/remdesivir-appears-promising-covid19-treatment
Remdesivir Appears Promising for COVID-19 Treatment
Experts caution that results from randomized clinical trials are still needed to determine whether the antiviral drug is effective.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on April 19, 2020, 05:09:48 pm
"unless it migrates to the cows  ;D"

That would then be KOERONA.    ;D
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 19, 2020, 10:37:16 pm
Hope everyone is well !,...

My partner brought to my attention two days ago, an article he was reading about "Covid toes"

It peaked my interests, because for approximately 3 1/2 months, I have something on my left foot ( Second toe in that looks very much in what is described in this article, and picture. I have read several different articles since.

See link:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/familyhealth/what-are-covid-toes-dermatologists-podiatrists-share-strange-findings/ar-BB12OAfm

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB12MJJ1.img?h=1084&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY.


Note the above pics are not my feet or toes !!  :P

This red spot on my second toe in on my left foot, looks almost identical to the picture in the link. It almost looks similar to what shingles looks like with a very slight blistering, in the early stages.

In my case it's not painful, and for the longest time, I was thinking that something was rubbing in my shoes, or perhaps my socks were irritating that particular toe. But nothing has changed in my footwear.

So I have kept it bandaged, with a daily smear of triple antibiotic ointment.

Once again, its not painful, I don't have the swolleness, that appears in the photo, and it's only on one toe.  it appears to be going slowly away, but ever so slowly.

In all of my life, (68 years) I have never had any issues with my feet, and my feet were always healthy in appearance.  Except for some mild Nephropathy as a result from HIV, I never had foot issues.

The other reason why I bring this up, In December for close to 3 weeks, I was really sick with a terrible non-stop cough, and quite a bit of respiratory shit going on. I think I reported it on a thread here, back when i had it. For 3 weeks I basically stayed home, was in bed most of the time, only getting up to go eat or use the restroom. It was a long and miserable 3 weeks. The coughing went on day and night. Sometimes I thought I was going to break a rib from all the coughing.

By the time I got to see my primary care doctor, I was about at the end of it and feeling much better, but, he ended up prescribing me a Z- pack for 5 days, as he still heard a lot of congestion in my lungs. The doctor thought I may have had the flu, but did not do a swab, to confirm. When I mentioned to to my infectious disease Dr, she thought a swab should have been done. It is what it is...

The Z pack ultimately cleared up everything, and I've been well ever since, Except for this thing in my one toe.

I will not diagnose myself, BUT, I am wondering if what I had in December was a milder form of covid-19. And perhaps, I built up antibodies.

So this will be part of the discussion when I see my doctor next.  By the way, What ever I had, I also passed it on to my partner, and he was prescribed a z-pack as well.

He had it no where near as bad as I did but still made him miserable for 2 weeks. He also recovered quickly by the completion of his Z-pac.

Just seems kind of coincidental, an honestly, a little frightening. But as I stated, I am doing quite well with no issues. I will probably see if i can get an appointment set up with a podiatrist.
 

Take care ----Ray

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on April 20, 2020, 02:27:36 am
Hmmm....I don't know what to think of this.

You mention a single toe, while the article mentions and picture shows multiple toes.

In your case, the fact that the lession is specifically localized and limited to a singel toe, means that it could very well be something totally different, and hopefully innocuous.

Fingers crossed !

Keep an eye on it though, and if possible emailing your doctor a picture for an initial opinion ?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 20, 2020, 05:56:24 am
"unless it migrates to the cows  ;D"

That would then be KOERONA.    ;D

 ;D LOL

For anyone wondering "Koe" is Dutch for "Cow"
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on April 20, 2020, 08:33:24 am
I really like corona beer though Haha.
One name suggeaction would be luna,since their competitors named a similar  beer as sol.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: yogaholic on April 23, 2020, 10:51:38 am
Hello Forum Friends,

I hope this post finds you all safe and healthy amidst this corona crisis.

I am a New Yorker who fled 6 weeks ago to Costa Rica to protect my immune system. I have since been quarantined on a farm and am healthy. I currently have four months of my HIV medication Odefsey but I may stay here in country for 6-8 months until the virus calms down back in the US. (There are no confirmed cases in the region where I am here.)

MY QUESTION/PROBLEM: I need to either A.) Buy new meds here in country, or B.) Get my medications brought into the country by a friend. (Mailing medications here is not permitted.)

OPTION 1.: The borders are closed to foreigners so my normal plan of having a friend bring them from the US is not possible. Only Costa Rican nationals are allowed into the country at this time and I don't know any CR nationals coming into the country from the US.

OPTION 2.: Buying new meds here, which is likely cost prohibitive. Or is a foreigner eligible for any free med programs here? (I assume not but doesn't hurt to ask.)

OPTION 3.: Spreading my meds out. Has anyone had luck taking Odefsey every other day instead of daily?

The only other option is to return to NYC when my meds run out which I really don't want to do.

Do you have any suggestions or can you provide any help?

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 23, 2020, 11:11:28 am
Hiya,

If it was me facing option 3, to avoid issues like resistance, I would continue normal dosage until the supply ran out and restart whenever I next had meds available.

Anyhow hope you can sort your situation out before it gets to that. Best. Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Expat1 on April 25, 2020, 08:38:01 am
How is everyone managing in Thailand during lockdown for tests meds etc?

Dr Phillip is operating his clinic as normal. 

I needed to get a refil of dapsone, so went to local private hospital.  It was virtually empty.  Not at all crowded.  Talked with my doctor, he said yeah,   very quiet.  He thinks everyone is afraid to come into the hospital with regular problems.   They had appropriate tirage outside.  No one waiting.  Certainly not like any scenes from American Hospitals recently.

Temp checks at entry. 

I go a refill and also a flu shot as flu season in Thailand coincides with the rainy season from May to October.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 26, 2020, 07:13:49 am
as time moves forward things grow

when dealing with the spread of something that causes  harm

time distance and shielding

 precautions for dealing with hazardous materials

A deadly virus ( hazardous material )

the fewer the number of contacts lower the chance and limits the spread time spent in contact with others

with AIDS have safe sex shielding .   use protection a condom close bath houses .

with COV-19  stay six feet apart and wear a mask .   close places people gather   similar but just the next step in the evolution the growth of  precautions . 
HIV spread by intimate contact COV-19 spread by close contact

the next step,  that would be growth or evolution  ..
 
time distance and shielding

stay home all three in one step.  but the reality no one wants to spend their entire life at home .



there most likely are  other similarities. . 

 I am sure someone else here might notice and might post more ?


any thoughts ?

all the best

EM ( pen name ( short for Emmanuel ))

just in case you wanted to know




Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 26, 2020, 07:38:42 am
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reality no one wants to spend their entire life at home

This is hardly the first or the last outbreak of illness.

Extreme Physical distancing measures, as seen in some nations can only be maintained short term. Maybe not today but people will socialize, fall in love, have concerts, pubs and school etc again and COVID19 will one day fade into the history books and slowly forgotten with time until the next pandemic.


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 26, 2020, 07:53:21 am
unfortunately for me

with the my life the way it is

the not going out thing has been my past twenty years

too much information to process in the world ,  staying home is for me the best option

but feel free to live your own life the bestway you know how

we all do

EM ( emmanuel to some means ( god is with us ) a more direct translation ( with god ) but whatever .    it is like every other word just a word

do not read to much into it .  it is only a pen name .

EM
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 26, 2020, 08:00:22 am
Choose to live however you like, locked away or outside and free.

The point was the majority of the world post this COVID19 outbreak will simply move on, just like it has with every other outbreak.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 26, 2020, 08:02:48 am
so true life will go on
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on April 26, 2020, 11:13:08 am
I never knew Emmanuel meant that,plus you have a really nice name Em. It's better than Fabian,which means "bean grower" 😂,even though I don't like beans....
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 26, 2020, 01:35:43 pm
EM is my pen name

this I find funny though

emmanuel  the word in the middle   man

just a man like any other man .

Latino men are sometimes named Jesus.

so what is in a name . a rose by another name would still smell as sweet

EM


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on April 26, 2020, 03:10:08 pm
My dad actually wanted to give me a very Albanian sounding name (my grandfather's name) Reshef,but my grandma didn't really like him much so she chose Fabian for me 😂.
Yes,I have noticed Jesus is the most latino name,but nothing wrong with it. A man,I would love to call someone Emmanuel,it's very unique.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 26, 2020, 06:25:48 pm
I am almost certain and as close to this I feel very likely

that you will find someone to care about who cares for you in the same way

I am sure whatever this person's name is the sound if it will fill your heart with joy

even with this coronavirus life and love will continue to exist . just like AIDS did not stop people from caring about each other neither will this virus

all the best to you

EM  or maybe my pen name should be Emilio still starts with EM . or maybe I should just stay with EM and live with the idea that someone every once in while saying why hello Emily ?    could be worse they could just not say anything and leave me alone with my thoughts and fears .      with this new contagion running wild there is no shortage of thoughts and fears > 

wishing everyone health and prosperity




Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on April 26, 2020, 11:17:43 pm
Well, Georgia is reopening tomorrow.

Our curve hasn't flattened. Daily death toll and infections continue to rise. Each day breaking the previous high.

Check back on us in a couple weeks, see if there is an exponential increase in infection rates.

News coverage is really depressing. The level of stupidity is mind numbing.

It disgusts me what is being done to Dr Fauci. Every one of us here lives due in part to that mans life work. If you don't know who he is or what he's done for us, you owe it to yourself to read up.

I'm sure history will remember him well in hindsight, but in the present the media and conservative right are dragging him through mud in what may well his finest hour.

He is a hero twice over

Off my soapbox now
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on April 26, 2020, 11:56:32 pm
100% Disagree on Fauci...he's in with Gates and population control..I will post on that later though.

Good job for Georgia!! Would love to relocate there. PA is horrid!! Our Governor and Secretary of Health have been caught lying about cases, inflating probable deaths, our hospitals are empty,  nurses are being laid off.  his reopening plan of Pennsylvania changes by the minute. Farmers eggs are being destroyed, suicides are up, domestic abuse is skyrocketing. It's almost like communism. There is a huge march being planned May 1st and May 2nd. I see now how the holocaust happened
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 27, 2020, 12:22:00 am
bringing out the cynic in me

he is not perfect people still died  ( like they always seem to do life is not perfect )

polio vaccine some people got polio from the vaccine

if it is a numbers game some lose some gain

thousands did not get polio a few did

what if that child who did get polio from the vaccine was your child ?


the way they made the vaccine ?  those poor monkeys and chimpanzees

where was the animal rights activists saving the animals from that ?

everyone loves sausage no one wants know how it's made ? 
 
in life as in everything it is a numbers game

and may the odds be ever in your favor

coronavirus ready to play .    ( how would a carnival barker sell people on this )

come one come all step forward for the experience of a lifetime ( no matter how short )  get your tickets here . only so much to take your chances pocket change a few bucks .  once inside the emotional roller coaster ride with the final destination being the final destination ( death ) not to worry you only live once why put off to tomorrow what you could do today don't procrastinate . get your ticket here .

it may not be funny but it is the truth and truth hurts

all the best to you .   may the life you seek be as good as the life you get

this may the case with all viruses germs life


  (    any and all each and every thing               )   , 

( for myself I just wish and pray that for someone some how some way reads something once written or said or done that makes a difference for the better in their lives )

one man 2000 yrs ago an illiterate carpenter who most likely could not read or write

died a horrible death .  look was built in his name .  for me my life I hope gives more in return that I have taken .  tally up that one . bookkeepers

EM
 




Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 27, 2020, 12:30:45 am
hopefully we will not end up with a new definition for may day .


a ship on the sea , radio operator , help help we are sinking ,

radio response  what are you sinking about ?

em

no time for humor ,    music and song good times and bad .     no one has all the answers . 

good luck bonne chance mes amis . 



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 27, 2020, 04:06:17 am
https://www.poz.com/article/remdesivir-appears-promising-covid19-treatment

UPDATED: Remdesivir Studies Yield Mixed Results for COVID-19 Treatment
Experts caution that results from randomized clinical trials are still needed to determine whether the antiviral drug is effective.

@All

Just a small reminder to keep things on topic, so anything COVID19 related and only share stories from reliable sources and as always links to back-up any medical and/or scientific statements/claims. 

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 27, 2020, 04:22:14 am
My dad actually wanted to give me a very Albanian sounding name (my grandfather's name) Reshef,but my grandma didn't really like him much so she chose Fabian for me 😂.
Yes,I have noticed Jesus is the most latino name,but nothing wrong with it. A man,I would love to call someone Emmanuel,it's very unique.

fabio  as in fabulous   bean grower like jack and the beanstalk.  I am sure that if you put your mind to it you just may be able to topple a giant .

nothing wrong with that name .

sorry Jim . trying to  keep on topic . the way these posts keep getting shuffled .

it is hard to recall what was the topic ?  again my apologies

EM

coronavirus   ( life will go on )

Extreme Physical distancing measures, as seen in some nations can only be maintained short term. Maybe not today but people will socialize, fall in love, have concerts, pubs and school etc again and COVID19 will one day fade into the history books and slowly forgotten with time until the next pandemic.

could someone anyone add to this ?

like how this has affected them ? 

EM

https://youtu.be/nvsiuBwWS1I

some news from the united states
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 27, 2020, 05:00:56 am
Em,

Small tip, not to be mean but start paying attention to the subject, it's normally a very good indicator of the topic.  If it's not clear then re-read the OP's first post before posting.

This thread's ** Coronavirus thread ** so he topic is Coronavirus and the first post explains more details.

Other examples:

"Song of the day" would indicate the topic is about music
"Netflix" would indicate "Netflix" and thus perhaps watching movies/shows
"*** Coronavirus thread - Mental health & Isolation ***" is an indicator it's about COVID19 mental health, coping etc during the outbreak and the first post in that thread explains more details.

Jim


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on April 27, 2020, 08:05:00 am
Jim

thank you for the clarification

when other threads become merged or woven into this larger one

things change and sometimes get bigger

Stranded in Costa Rica without enough meds

trying to stay on topic to avoid confusion becomes bit merki

I understand that this must make you job here more difficult I will try to be more focused . even though mental illness caused by covid-19 may manifest itself in the inability to do so . my intentions are not to make your job more difficult truth be told focus is if you could not tell by writing is not easy for me .

all the best to you jim

em
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 27, 2020, 08:18:26 am
Hiya,

You're welcome. Glad to clarify that it's only COVID19 questions, news, updates and related problems here.

Those threads are merged here for good reason, the alternative to merging and reminding people is to start deleting posts, something we would only do as last resort.

Jim 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on April 27, 2020, 09:18:30 am
Looks like by 4 of May we'll be able to go out without a permit (in Greece),which is great! However the virus is gonna be an issue in the mainland,since transmission is still very possible there. Hope everyone else is doing ok.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CalvinC on April 27, 2020, 06:01:55 pm
An old acquaintance -- an ex of my closest friend -- died today of cv19. He was fine, generally, but had underlying conditions: aside from hiv (which was under control), he was diabetic and had toxoplasmosis (which I didn't realize you can never rid yourself of, once you get it).

He didn't want any extraordinary measures taken, he had said when he was still aware enough of what was going on. So, no intubation etc.

Ah well. My sister-in-law's mother died yesterday of causes related to old age. The world turns.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 28, 2020, 03:47:03 pm

Pinellas county commissioners here in Clearwater,  voted today 6 to 1 to reopen public beaches this coming Monday. Social distancing will be in effect, and will be monitored.

Condominium swimming pools will be open this Thursday at 6:00 am.  Occupancy must be kept at 50% of what is stated at the pool.

It will feel nice to be back in the water again. I didn't mind all the walking we've been doing, but 20 laps a day sounds wonderful about now !

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 28, 2020, 03:58:18 pm
Calvin,..

I am sorry about the passing of an acquaintance of yours.  Hopefully, and I am sure, they made him as comfortable as they possibly could do for him. Very Sad .


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on April 29, 2020, 08:55:45 pm
Monday Georgia ended the lockdown. Massage parlors, gyms, even the bathhouses and gloryholes are open.

The county I live in has only just been hit

On the 24th there were 28 positive, by the 27th up to 46, today the 29th 54 cases.

But our governor wants the economy open.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on April 29, 2020, 11:05:07 pm
Monday Georgia ended the lockdown. Massage parlors, gyms, even the bathhouses and gloryholes are open.

The county I live in has only just been hit



I think the entire country is watching whats going on in Georgia. I know we're watching here in Florida. In about two or three weeks I am sure there will be quite a spike in cases. Including possible here in Florida.

Florida's governor listens primarily to trump.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/04/29/daily-coronavirus-reporting

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Gov. Ron DeSantis says the first of two phases of a reopening of Florida's economy will begin Monday, with restaurants and stores being allowed to operate at 25% capacity.

Florida has had about 33,000 cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus sweeping the globe. More than 1,200 have died, according to statistics released by the state Department of Health on Tuesday.

Gyms and personal services such as barbershops are still being evaluated, the governor said, so those aren't being opened up yet. Bars and nightclubs also are remaining closed, though DeSantis is allowing sporting events in the first phase if they don't have spectators.


The cases continue to rise daily here in Pinellas, 718.. Hillsbourough, 1,105--- manatee-567

He's not opening up anything in South Florida .

Miami-dade has nearly 12,000 cases, Broward has 4,898, Palm Beach - 2,911,    I Think just about every county goes up everyday.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on April 29, 2020, 11:28:33 pm
Cases are spiking because of more testing not necessarily because of things opening up. Alot of people think positive result automatically means deathly sick or die. Its the main street medias way to hype us and fear monger. I do wish they would instead put more emphasis or just as much if not more on the recovery. It is a virus and yes people will and have died (and i am truly sorry for those who have lost loved ones).

However, hospitals are inflating the numbers and padding them. Fact: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/?fbclid=IwAR1hxGptE_RNmbbT15le6e7zu3Vgo6kok28qBM3z4TYQjSI9ldOF2UN399g (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/?fbclid=IwAR1hxGptE_RNmbbT15le6e7zu3Vgo6kok28qBM3z4TYQjSI9ldOF2UN399g)

Not only that but the WHO is now retracting and stating they agree with Sweden for herd immunity and no lock downs. Now that we in the US pulled funding from them they are trying to play nice.

https://summit.news/2020/04/29/who-flip-flops-now-endorses-swedens-no-lockdown-policy/?fbclid=IwAR2Xw4KgVrs1ptQ5xNWMrttj9Xf0GwE5T8FNNKHU9nfxaGF8UzyT2LcErFI (https://summit.news/2020/04/29/who-flip-flops-now-endorses-swedens-no-lockdown-policy/?fbclid=IwAR2Xw4KgVrs1ptQ5xNWMrttj9Xf0GwE5T8FNNKHU9nfxaGF8UzyT2LcErFI)

PA is a blue state and if you look at a map, ironically, alot of states hit hard are guess what.....blue states....ironic? I dont think so - its election year.... although i digress that is another conversation that people arent quite awake yet to deal with.

Our PA governor is out of control. He is unaccountable to anyone and the Secretary of Health is a wacko pediatric psychologist and also eating disorders  that is seeming to lead him by the nose. Both of which are being brought up on Class Action Lawsuits and I hope criminal investigations.  He has yet to show the transparency behind business waivers, a clear plan of opening that changes by the day, he added some deaths, removed some deaths (Glory Hallelujah people rose from the dead) Specifically 228 people on April 23rd were now alive!

We are American, we need to be open, we work and work hard. Our economy cannot and will not sustain a long term shut down.

Tomorrow some things in PA will open. However, there is a planned event on Friday of the masses to peacefully protest and also on Saturday....Busineses are starting to open no matter what. Masks were required but silently, the Dept of Health now changed it to "recommended" without any announcement.....another farce in PA's tyranny.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on April 29, 2020, 11:34:19 pm
here is a newly released doc...its pretty interesting to read..

"Sequential CQ / HCQ Research Papers and Reports
January to April 20, 2020
Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report
The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases." 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/preview (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/preview)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 30, 2020, 12:24:40 am
Quote
However, hospitals are inflating the numbers and padding them. Fact: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/?fbclid=IwAR1hxGptE_RNmbbT15le6e7zu3Vgo6kok28qBM3z4TYQjSI9ldOF2UN399g

All i see is that under the relief fund hospitals get higher funding, for confirmed or suspected cases, not evidence in this link that numbers are being inflated/padded.   
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 30, 2020, 12:26:59 am
An old acquaintance -- an ex of my closest friend -- died today of cv19. He was fine, generally, but had underlying conditions: aside from hiv (which was under control), he was diabetic and had toxoplasmosis (which I didn't realize you can never rid yourself of, once you get it).

He didn't want any extraordinary measures taken, he had said when he was still aware enough of what was going on. So, no intubation etc.

Ah well. My sister-in-law's mother died yesterday of causes related to old age. The world turns.

Calvin, Sorry to hear about your loss and, wishing you strength during this time.
Hugs.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Lorenzopier on April 30, 2020, 04:40:50 am
In some ways the corona virus is creating an atmosphere where we need to wake up and understand that vaccines and drugs can really use an integrated approach where at times we look at how can we keep a person at optimal health using everything that we have in our arsenal. What are we going to do when the next new type of virus comes around? Do the same thing that we just did with the social distancing and lock downs and the side effects on the economy. The reality is that a strong immune system will handle most viruses in this type class quite well. With all of the billions of dollars that we are now throwing in to try to develop a vaccine we should also consider putting some of that money into studying how we can keep especially the people most affected, the elderly and people with pre existing conditions immune systems running at a optimal level so that they stand a better chance during peak season. To get a better understanding of just what I am talking about look at this article.
"Vitamin D deficiency plays an important role in the severity of COVID-19 infections so supplementation should be strongly advised at this time, according to researchers after studying the mortality rates across the globe"
https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/04/28/Clear-link-between-vitamin-D-deficiency-and-severity-of-coronavirus-says-researchers#
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 30, 2020, 04:58:38 am
Hope everyone is doing okay.

Positive news:

In the UK Captain Tom Moore 99 years old set out to raise £1,000 (USD 1,247) by walking 100 laps of his garden before his 100th birthday for the National Health Service (NHS).

His efforts he has now raised £30 million (USD 37 Million) and he has been promoted to Honorary Colonel. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Moore_(fundraiser)
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-52441937



UPDATED: Remdesivir Looks Promising for COVID-19, New Data Show
Results from randomized clinical trials of the antiviral drug are starting to become available.

https://www.poz.com/article/remdesivir-appears-promising-covid19-treatment

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on April 30, 2020, 12:46:21 pm
Remdesivir is an option, but studies have shown in the link below that Azithromycin and Chloroquine work best. Reason why Fauci now is pushing Remdesivir is because of the cost being so high as we all know. Pharma doesnt make enough on a malaria drug and zpac. Its terrible!

I dont know how to put a picture into this so i can show you the inflated #'s just in PA. However, its widespread across our nation. If you tell me how to get the pic on here i will do it

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Lorenzopier on April 30, 2020, 01:23:18 pm
I so totally agree with you PittGurl. Pharma has got the decks stacked and we all know why.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 30, 2020, 01:23:45 pm
Hiya,

It's okay I don't need pictures. If you have evidence that the official numbers reported are not within guidelines so either confirmed or suspected cases please share the link, will be interesting.

Fauci seems to be pushing the current leader in terms of safely combined with results, that may change when other results come out. Who knows.

I did see the link regarding Chloroquine, true it's being explored as an option, that does not mean everything else needs to be dropped, sometimes cheap is not better.

Anyhow in the link provided as expected a lot of in vitro results and some small in-field results that need more controlled follow-ups. In short, it seems there is insufficient evidence at the moment as to the effective use of chloroquine in the treatment of patients with coronavirus. To be fair the same can be said about every drug/treatment at the moment to my knowledge and safety and effectiveness data from high-quality clinical trials are urgently needed.

I think all of this is to be expected with novel viruses and, Hopefully, the larger “Solidarity” clinical trial will provide some clarity that includes Remdesivir, Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine, Lopinavir with Ritonavir, Lopinavir with Ritonavir plus Interferon beta-1a.

Soon enough we will know. ;)

Best, Jim

Coronavirus and chloroquine: Is there evidence it works?
https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731

FDA Issues Safety Alert Regarding Use of Hydroxychloroquine, Chloroquine for COVID-19 https://www.pulmonologyadvisor.com/home/topics/lung-infection/hydroxychloroquine-warning-fda-covid19-chloroquine-eua/

Brazil - Often quoted randomized Clinical Trial stopped due to adverse health reactions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/chloroquine-study-coronavirus-brazil
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2765499



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 30, 2020, 01:31:56 pm
Oh just adding the link to the ongoing solidarity clinical trial should anyone be interested.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments

Anyhow hope everyone is doing well and keeping healthy.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on April 30, 2020, 09:23:28 pm
Virtual COVID-19 Conference Will Wrap Up AIDS 2020

https://www.poz.com/article/virtual-covid19-conference-will-wrap-aids-2020

In Short:
Quote
The one-day meeting will feature leaders in the national and global pandemic response.

Many of the global HIV experts who will attend AIDS 2020 are also at the forefront of COVID-19 virology, immunology, clinical care, and treatment and vaccine research.

The COVID-19 Conference will feature Anthony Fauci, MD, and Ambassador Deborah Birx, MD, who have a long history of leadership in the national and global HIV/AIDS response and are now members of the White House COVID-19 Task Force, as well as long-time HIV researcher Salim Abdool Karim, MD, PhD, chair of the South African Ministry of Health’s COVID-19 Advisory Committee.

Registration for the COVID-19 Conference—which is separate from AIDS 2020: Virtual registration—is now open. The COVID-19 sessions will publicly available and free of charge.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on May 01, 2020, 09:34:18 am
Quote
  studies have shown in the link below that Azithromycin and Chloroquine work best. Reason why Fauci now is pushing Remdesivir is because of the cost being so high as we all know. Pharma doesnt make enough on a malaria drug

Source your claims. I call bullshit.

The thing I have always respected most about this board has been our long and unwavering reliance on medically sound information; sourced and cited,  peer reviewed. I don't want to see this board descend into conspiracy and propaganda.

And of anywhere, this is the absolute last place I would expect to see Dr Fauci's name dragged.

Shame on you.

Every single one of us here owes that man a life debt. You live today because of his life's work.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 01, 2020, 09:36:31 am
Quote
I don't want to see this board descend into conspiracy and propaganda.

Trust me won't happen
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on May 01, 2020, 12:14:38 pm
A sugar pill has shown more effective. Placebo is a powerful drug.

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/coronavirus-treatment-trump-touted-malaria-drug-fails-to-impress/

Quote
The hydroxychloroquine study examined virological clearance — the medicine's ability to lower how much of the virus remains in the body. After a week, the placebo cleared 93% of the virus vs. 87% clearance for those who received hydroxychloroquine

Quote
Still, generic pharmaceutical companies Teva Pharmaceutical (TEVA) and Mylan (MYL), which are increasing production of hydroxychloroquine tablets for potential coronavirus treatment, notched gains Tuesday.

New drug or old, pharmaceutical manufacturers are going to make money. That is the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 01, 2020, 02:10:37 pm
Well Taoiseach Leo Varadkar presented the reopen plan for Ireland this evening.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-latest-updates-2km-exercise-limit-extended-to-5km-and-over-70s-allowed-brief-periods-outside-of-home-39172820.html

Quote
"We have to extend current restrictions until May 18."

The latest updates in short are:

Current restrictions will last until May 18
Government has plan to loosen restrictions from May 18
From next Tuesday, 2km from home exercise limit has been extended to 5km
From next Tuesday cocooning over 70s can leave home for a drive or walk "as long as you are not in contact with anybody"
Until we have a vaccine or treatment there will be a long term need for physical distancing
Outdoor work like construction and landscaping will resume from May 18
Some garden and hardware stores to reopen on May 18
Some actives and sports to resume on May 18
Some recreation facilities like cinemas and theatres to reopen later than May 18
Schools and colleges to reopen in September
Cabinet to discuss getting enterprises back up and running and employees back to work tomorrow
70pc of those diagnosed with Covid-19 have made a full recovery
May 18

Outdoors workers
Garden centres
Construction
Gardening
Fishing
Golf and tennis and angling
June 8

Some retail
Larger funerals
Small meetings allowed indoors
Marts and libraries
"The coronavirus is cruel an inhuman," the Taoiseach concluded.

"The tragedy of every death is made far worse by the fact that we cannot come together to mourn loved ones.

"When we come through this we will come together as a nation and grieve this for everyone who has died.
"
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on May 01, 2020, 02:21:11 pm
I will refrain from commenting since it is clearly one-sided. As much as Fauci did, accountability still is something to be deemed important.

Zach, i did source it, please look above.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 01, 2020, 02:29:12 pm
Sorry to hear you feel that way.

I'm not sure how it's one-sided. You are welcome to your opinions, so is everyone else including myself and Zach. 

Any statements of fact need to be backed-up, in particular, when it's regarding anything medical or treatment-related. Solid peer-reviewed evidence is the standard expected from all members. This has always been the case.

Anyhow, hope you are doing okay during all of this. Best, Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 01, 2020, 02:39:05 pm
India has extended lockdown by 2 weeks
https://www.latimes.com/california/liveblog/coronavirus-live-updates-friday-may-1

Question, I'm would be interested to hear how other forums member with school-aged children are coping?  Mine are 10 and 8.

Are you getting your kids to do school work at home and how is that going?
Any tips? or resources to share?

Currently, I have them on a schedule so we are studying the same topics at home daily they would at school. I have the day broken down in 45 min sections.

It's going well but I think school and home fatigue is setting in.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 01, 2020, 06:25:18 pm
Georgia confirms more than 1,000 covid -19 cases just in the past 24 hours. This is what I am afraid  is going to happen here in Florida. Our cases are increasing and so are the deaths.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/1/1941864/-On-same-day-Gov-Kemp-begins-to-reopen-Georgia-state-confirms-1-000-new-cases-in-24-hours

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 01, 2020, 06:36:39 pm


Having spent a big portion of my life working for AMF, and working in a variety of Bowling centers,from 1973 to 1997, are people unaware that open bowlers, stick their fingers and hands in and all over bowling bowls, that are on the racks  ::)  Most bowling centers will spray the shoes, but hardly ever clean the house balls!  :P

In Florida, bowling alleys are still closed.

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Loa111 on May 02, 2020, 05:10:16 am
Question, I'm would be interested to hear how other forums member with school-aged children are coping?  Mine are 10 and 8.

Are you getting your kids to do school work at home and how is that going?
Any tips?

Mine are 10 (nearly 11) n 7.  Older one is in a different school n he got Zooms with the class teacher 3-4 times a week. She also sends out videos too.  So he does the zooms & keeps up the work. Though somedays he can give plenty of bad attitude, not wanting to tidy his room etc.

The 7 year old. His school emails out PDFs of the work, so have to print them out (of course printer ink ran out last weekend 🙄), and they send loads of stuff but with a “so your best” ethos. This is more of a headache, so I just focus on reading, writing n get him to do the maths. The Irish n other stuff can wait until September.  Harder to get him to focus or start the work especially if he gets into the morning cartoons first! Then the bad attitude happens.

Overall it’s a pain in the butt if I am totally honest!

So read, keep up with the maths n that will keep him ticking over until school starts again.

My wife not being a native English speaker is useless with helping the homework so bounces it to me, then trying to work from home (not much biz happening right now due to corona anyway) so I think we’re all getting a bit tense with the school work.

 
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 02, 2020, 08:18:18 pm
UPDATED: Remdesivir Cleared for Emergency Use to Treat COVID-19

Results from randomized clinical trials of the antiviral drug are starting to become available. https://www.poz.com/article/remdesivir-appears-promising-covid19-treatment



Mine are 10 (nearly 11) n 7.  Older one is in a different school n he got Zooms with the class teacher 3-4 times a week. She also sends out videos too.  So he does the zooms & keeps up the work. Though somedays he can give plenty of bad attitude, not wanting to tidy his room etc.

The 7 year old. His school emails out PDFs of the work, so have to print them out (of course printer ink ran out last weekend 🙄), and they send loads of stuff but with a “so your best” ethos. This is more of a headache, so I just focus on reading, writing n get him to do the maths. The Irish n other stuff can wait until September.  Harder to get him to focus or start the work especially if he gets into the morning cartoons first! Then the bad attitude happens.

Overall it’s a pain in the butt if I am totally honest!

So read, keep up with the maths n that will keep him ticking over until school starts again.

My wife not being a native English speaker is useless with helping the homework so bounces it to me, then trying to work from home (not much biz happening right now due to corona anyway) so I think we’re all getting a bit tense with the school work.


Zoom lessons with the teacher sounds good, even if it's only 3-4 times a week. Neither of my kid's schools are offering that with nothing at all coming in from my son's school.

My daughter's school is sending out some school work and lessons per week through Seesaw, it's something but I'm not impressed. https://irishprimaryteacher.ie/seesaw-for-parents/

On the Irish lessons, same here parked the subject until Sept for when (if) they go back to school. Instead, we added Dutch lessons. 

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Harder to get him to focus or start the work especially if he gets into the morning cartoons first! Then the bad attitude happens.

Yeah, same here. Nightmare to get them into anything after they have been watching cartoons or in my daughters case YouTube.

I'm not surprised but am frustrated that the schools within Ireland all seem to have such different approaches to this learning from home. Does not seem to be anyone putting some national structure into it.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: BubbaPat on May 06, 2020, 03:20:26 am
Howdy Letherman,

Thanks for letting me know y'all's situation.  So far no has brought anything... at least that we know of.
I've been put back in sales so I'm on the floor and I count the money at night.  I try to wear gloves but sometimes I forget or get so frustrated as to say screw it, keep going.
As for OUR governor... we've not had yet another day of record breaking cases and he keeps moving forward as if this is a cold.
I'm just getting cranky with stupid people.  AND I know... ya can't fix stupid.  However, I still wanna tray with a taser to the base of their skull.

I've only called out one day and that more mental health than illness.  I'm tired, I'm stressed with idiots and then I get concerned about catching it.  I had pneumonia years ago and I wasn't normal with my symptoms and I guess. that's why'm scared now.

Every day I face the challenge of how can I avoid and yet I know in the back of my mind...'how can I catch it? Give me 2 weeks off and I'd be back at work.


luckily my hubby works on a specialized crew - and they are not republicans nor stupid. His supervisor got everyone masks (not the company, not the store; but the supervisor of a 10 person crew), the crew voted to change hours to avoid more
customers (ie idiots), and they have reported several sick coworkers from elsewhere in the store. Two coworkers actually have had the audacity to come back to work while they were mildly ill and were waiting on results of covid tests.

So the hubby worries about getting infected. I worry about him bringing it home - but we're taking lots of precautions (even sewing up our own masks this weekend), and keeping an HIV-positive but not Covid-positive attitude about it all. :D LOL

Paranoid? sure thing! We barely survived one epidemic and worry about surviving another when people in this area won't stay home and my husband has to keep working so we can pay the mortgage on the house we just bought a little over a year ago.

update:
just got a text from my husband after he got to work this morning - two people (employers at his store) have tested positive. Ack! :o :o :o
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Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on May 06, 2020, 06:13:21 am

now take HIV and put it next to corona virus < I would not be surprised if they counter each other out > natural enemies who fight amongst them selves .

fight fire with fire , if it wore only that simple . in a petri dish they would cancel  each other out creating a vaccine that would immunize people for both .  or create a new strain of illness that might wipe everyone out >

what a chance we take when illness is at our door .

delete if this does not make sense or is a scary thought I thought worth sharing while we wait for these  illnesses to take their toll on our lives

this is crazy talk . but it is short and to the point we have no idea where the road of life will take us .

all the best to you and praying for a outcome to this we all end up being alive in

EM

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 06, 2020, 07:20:04 am
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now take HIV and put it next to corona virus < I would not be surprised if they counter each other out > natural enemies who fight amongst them selves .

fight fire with fire , if it wore only that simple . in a petri dish they would cancel  each other out creating a vaccine that would immunize people for both .  or create a new strain of illness that might wipe everyone out >

Crazy, nope or at least I would never say that.

I've heard this train of thought every year from someone in one form or another over the past 21 years in regards to HIV and Flu, HIV and the cold virus, HIV and Bird flu, HIV and Herpes once...

It's for a large part just bad sci-fi and more recently prehaps flawed conclusions based on misunderstandings regarding the sharing of common genome traits.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 06, 2020, 05:32:07 pm
Hope everyone is well !,...

My partner brought to my attention two days ago, an article he was reading about "Covid toes"

It peaked my interests, because for approximately 3 1/2 months, I have something on my left foot ( Second toe in that looks very much in what is described in this article, and picture. I have read several different articles since.

See link:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/familyhealth/what-are-covid-toes-dermatologists-podiatrists-share-strange-findings/ar-BB12OAfm

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB12MJJ1.img?h=1084&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY.



This red spot on my second toe in on my left foot, looks almost identical to the picture in the link. It almost looks similar to what shingles looks like with a very slight blistering, in the early stages.

In my case it's not painful, and for the longest time, I was thinking that something was rubbing in my shoes, or perhaps my socks were irritating that particular toe. But nothing has changed in my footwear.

So I have kept it bandaged, with a daily smear of triple antibiotic ointment.

Once again, its not painful, I don't have the swolleness, that appears in the photo, and it's only on one toe.  it appears to be going slowly away, but ever so slowly.

In all of my life, (68 years) I have never had any issues with my feet, and my feet were always healthy in appearance.  Except for some mild Nephropathy as a result from HIV, I never had foot issues.

The other reason why I bring this up, In December for close to 3 weeks, I was really sick with a terrible non-stop cough, and quite a bit of respiratory shit going on. I think I reported it on a thread here, back when i had it. For 3 weeks I basically stayed home, was in bed most of the time, only getting up to go eat or use the restroom. It was a long and miserable 3 weeks. The coughing went on day and night. Sometimes I thought I was going to break a rib from all the coughing.

By the time I got to see my primary care doctor, I was about at the end of it and feeling much better, but, he ended up prescribing me a Z- pack for 5 days, as he still heard a lot of congestion in my lungs. The doctor thought I may have had the flu, but did not do a swab, to confirm. When I mentioned to to my infectious disease Dr, she thought a swab should have been done. It is what it is...

The Z pack ultimately cleared up everything, and I've been well ever since, Except for this thing in my one toe.

I will not diagnose myself, BUT, I am wondering if what I had in December was a milder form of covid-19. And perhaps, I built up antibodies.

So this will be part of the discussion when I see my doctor next.  By the way, What ever I had, I also passed it on to my partner, and he was prescribed a z-pack as well.

He had it no where near as bad as I did but still made him miserable for 2 weeks. He also recovered quickly by the completion of his Z-pac.

Just seems kind of coincidental, an honestly, a little frightening. But as I stated, I am doing quite well with no issues. I will probably see if i can get an appointment set up with a podiatrist.
 

Take care ----Ray

Another article on this appeared a little while ago on my Spectrum news home page.

Since I first reported this in an earlier post, Still have this on one toe. I didn't follow through with an appt yet, as it's not getting any worse, but very SLOW at going away !

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/05/06/together-alone--i-had-covid-toes--i-think-


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on May 07, 2020, 07:42:59 am
does anyone else feel slightly slighted.

that this virus corona virus , covid-19 is getting the rush treatment while HIV and AIDS has been in the back seat in almost anyone's  mind for many years .

like for sure ,  this one that has been around what the longest , a new kid on  the block comes around and everyone is rushing to find results .

O well when the tally are calculated and the damage has been done ,

viruses who's idea was this ?

god the great creator or whatever you think is running this show we call life must have some sick sense of humor .


hopefully when all is said and done .  the ride will be well worth the price we pay to ride this ride we call life .

all the best to you

EM


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on May 07, 2020, 12:14:56 pm
does anyone else feel slightly slighted.

that this virus corona virus , covid-19 is getting the rush treatment while HIV and AIDS has been in the back seat in almost anyone's  mind for many years .

like for sure ,  this one that has been around what the longest , a new kid on  the block comes around and everyone is rushing to find results .

O well when the tally are calculated and the damage has been done ,

viruses who's idea was this ?



Nope, I don't feel slighted.

Totally different viruses. Transmission is different. Comparing apples with pears.
Viruses, bacteria, foodchain and madmen are all part of life.

Who's idea it is to think it all started as an idea ?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 04:02:01 pm
Nope, I don't feel slighted.

Totally different viruses. Transmission is different. Comparing apples with pears.
Viruses, bacteria, foodchain and madmen are all part of life.

Who's idea it is to think it all started as an idea ?

I agree with you. I don't feel slighted either. You can get covid -19 very easily from standing in contact with someone who has it. Covid -19 needs treatment/ and/or a vaccine as soon as possible. So I appreciate the hard working scientists that are working on this.

 As a 35 year survivor with HIV, I am much more concerned about Covid-19 at this point in my life.

I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a virus which is undetectable within me. There is NO vaccine, or real treatment for Covid-19.

This is to EM, I disagree with you completely on this:

"covid-19 is getting the rush treatment while HIV and AIDS has been in the back seat in almost anyone's  mind for many years."

 Granted, HIV didn't even get acknowledged during the Reagan admin ,until his second term. Another Republican. Science has changed drastically for the good looking back over the past 35 years.

That's a complete insult to individuals, activists, and to the scientists that give you today,.. the medication needed for you to survive, undetectable, in your house, with your family, with food in your belly !

Be thankful ans appreciative,  for those that have worked very hard, and went through many trials , for better medications that have kept us alive !

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on May 07, 2020, 06:26:18 pm
is something thought planed and then done or do the pieces just  fall they way the should ?  a chicken or the egg type question ?



I just asked a question to start a debate    .  I am grateful just to have the ability to take another breath.  the rest is as they say gravy . 

the cure we have been waiting on and waiting on and then still waiting. maybe the social machine was using the fear of HIV AIDS as a tool to slow down unwanted pregnancies. population control  . keep people from taking unnecessary risks sexually ? so a cure was not on the top of the list of things to do . 

    covid-19 is affecting the elderly and people who have a lot of contact with other people

HIV AIDS  was killing people who had lots of sexual partners . and who some might have thought degenerate sexual deviants  who deserved not to be cared about .  if they passed away the world would be a better place . 

there is a difference even if they are rushing to medical aid

many decades ago the rush was more of wait and see attitude ?

EM
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 08:44:34 pm
is something thought planed and then done or do the pieces just  fall they way the should ?  a chicken or the egg type question ?



I just asked a question to start a debate   
EM

And,  You have had two responses thus far, to your " Debate question" That's all you will get from me.

Try to move on from the last century and get into the 21st century. For your own best interests, I sincerely hope that you are seeing a therapist.  Perhaps you can print out for him or her some of your posts from these forums, for a better understanding.

Honestly, I am not concerned about the chicken or egg...

I wish you well

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 08:47:19 pm
is something thought planed and then done or do the pieces just  fall they way the should ?  a chicken or the egg type question ?




the cure we have been waiting on and waiting on and then still waiting. maybe the social machine was using the fear of HIV AIDS as a tool to slow down unwanted pregnancies. population control  . keep people from taking unnecessary risks sexually ?

   
EM

That's a bunch of crapola. Conspiracy theorist garbage.

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 08:56:26 pm
em

 As was stated earlier to you, Covid-19 and HIV are two very different viruses.

APPLES AND ORANGES ! Or APPLES AND PEARS

Take care of yourself---Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on May 07, 2020, 09:02:57 pm
I think alot of critical thinking is gone right now.  MSM has brainwashed us and its sad to see this here on the board. People that are held in high regard for their work in the past have become evil (money, greed and power) but yet no one wants to believe it where it has clearly been proven.  You just all turn a blind eye bowing down. I had thought more of this place when i first joined, yet more and more i see tyrannical shut downs instead of conversations to be had, warnings issued instead of asking questions.

em i think you are onto something even at the slightest. Usually the person that points the finger at conspiracy, isn't willing to look for themselves, nor think that there is 2 sides to every story out there.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 09:04:00 pm



HIV AIDS  was killing people who had lots of sexual partners . and who some might have thought degenerate sexual deviants  who deserved not to be cared about .  if they passed away the world would be a better place . 



EM

And I remember Jerry Falwell something to the effect that this was gods punishment to the gay population for their sins. We're way past that sickening garbage.

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on May 07, 2020, 09:34:32 pm
And I remember Jerry Falwell something to the effect that this was gods punishment to the gay population for their sins. We're way past that sickening garbage.

Ray

so you do not think maybe some out there in this large population we coexist with might still think that to be the truth ?

pitgirl . the little dancing avatar , that is so cool .  I just wrote this to see if anything might result from it . apparently it struck a nerve  with some of our readers and co travelers down this road of HIV AIDS . that was my intention to make myself and others think out loud or write about how we feel.


to who ever said I need to find a therapist
and yes I am seeing a therapist and psychiatrist thanks for seeing that .and pointing out that some people may not see the world the way you might like them to .

sorry no I am not off my meds , thank you very much .

" who some might have thought "  disclaimer clarification that this is not what I think but how I felt others thought .  why the world seems a bit darker scarier and les inviting after finding out my status .  ut now more than thirty years later . I still feel it has not changed as much as I had hoped it would .

whatever I am just thankful to inspire some thought.



another carrier of an illness that still l people are afraid of  just look at the am I infected list .

all my best to you

EM
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 09:37:37 pm


HIV AIDS  was killing people who had lots of sexual partners...

EM

Or NO sexual partners . New born baby's born with HIV,  people receiving blood transfusions in the 80's  Remember Ryan White. Or the Ray brothers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_brothers
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 09:39:15 pm


But,  This thread is supposed to be about Coronavirus.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 07, 2020, 09:45:21 pm
I think alot of critical thinking is gone right now.  MSM has brainwashed us and its sad to see this here on the board. People that are held in high regard for their work in the past have become evil (money, greed and power) but yet no one wants to believe it where it has clearly been proven.  You just all turn a blind eye bowing down. I had thought more of this place when i first joined, yet more and more i see tyrannical shut downs instead of conversations to be had, warnings issued instead of asking questions.

em i think you are onto something even at the slightest. Usually the person that points the finger at conspiracy, isn't willing to look for themselves, nor think that there is 2 sides to every story out there.

MOD note:

@Pittgurl

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Understand that other members may also express their opinions, it seems from recent posts you are uncomfortable with that concept, however, that is how a forum and debate works.

Finally, if you have a problem with a member or a moderators decision then please report it, but trolling is not tolerated and, will be shut down as you put it. 

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Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 07, 2020, 09:48:46 pm


to who ever said I need to find a therapist
and yes I am seeing a therapist and psychiatrist thanks for seeing that .and pointing out that some people may not see the world the way you might like them to .

sorry no I am not off my meds , thank you very much .



I never stated that you need to "find " a therapist. I said, I hope you are seeing a therapist. That's quite a difference.

And,  I NEVER stated anything about medications that you may or may not be on .


Take care---Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: em on May 08, 2020, 02:47:26 am
Or NO sexual partners . New born baby's born with HIV,  people receiving blood transfusions in the 80's  Remember Ryan White. Or the Ray brothers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_brothers




wow who would have thought religion studies at college would ever have a use ?

definitely not me

for some reason some christians believed way back when that original sin ?

sorry I am bit rusty here ?   must be cause I am old  ? adam and eve , what are the rest .   are there ten  twelve on into infinity the seven deadly sins <   I am not sure it is late I just taken a sleeping pill plus I so badly would have rather had a beer , but being how things are what they are

see some of the religions around the world would ask what is  original sin .

Eddy Izzard answer was ??

someone look it up for me ??

poke a badger with a spoon ? that must be an original sin . just has to be . 

sorry what was this about about drawing a line between the damages caused by one virus as opposed to another .  trying to ascertain which might have more value in the heart emotional disgust or shame >

hands down that one might be leprosy ?   


sorry it is late and that has to be one of the sickest Monty Pythonesque jokes I have ever heard . ( i have ever heard ? Groucho Marx > Marx brothers how many are they and no Karl was not one of them >

good luck and bonne chance a tous .

EM

most likely we are just conversing with some sort of new Artificial Intelligence an  A I

training it how to think so it can answer questions people in the future might have about illnesses and disease and what not 

what difference does it make at this point we freely just educated and AI and we did  not even know it . what suckers are we >

lets see what the computer system has in store for us tomorrow . but as they say tomorrow never comes . or is it the sun will come out tomorrow ?

em
 
analytical thought . higher doctorate prognosis  would be something like ? 
Ryan White and the other hemophiliacs with genetic blood disorders who for some reason are born sick ? they do not deserve to die but for some sick reason in gods plan . the ydo not live as long as other children ,,, I am sure god has a plan and I am not god .  I   just as I am sure god has a plan as i am sure I am not god so how can I understand ?  we are doing our best down here on earth to make life worth living . do you not agree ?

EM
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 08, 2020, 10:19:28 am

But,  This thread is supposed to be about Coronavirus.

Definitely not about politics and conspiracy theories.

I'm still scratching my head about the comment about the blue states and their governors coordinating all this just in time for the election.  I wonder how Italy plays in all this, very strange stuff. 

HIV was unforgiving to the "denialists", however Covid-19 is definitely not as effective. 

The divisive nature of all this is sad, but not surprising.



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: BubbaPat on May 08, 2020, 12:51:42 pm
Definitely not about politics and conspiracy theories.[end quote author=skeebo1969]

I posted about being depressed since I still had to work no matter the people come in without masks or glove AND are upset because we don't have enough cashiers running or enough people on the floor.
I'm anxious about having to go in not simply because I'm POZ but the darker side of humanity shows.
My post got moved here and it seems the topic has shifted.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 08, 2020, 12:57:52 pm
Definitely not about politics and conspiracy theories.

I'm still scratching my head about the comment about the blue states and their governors coordinating all this just in time for the election.  I wonder how Italy plays in all this, very strange stuff. 

HIV was unforgiving to the "denialists", however Covid-19 is definitely not as effective. 

The divisive nature of all this is sad, but not surprising.

Hey Thomas,..

Hope you are all well. If I do any more head scratching, or slamming my head against the wall, I will end up with a bloody scalp , or a concussion.  I hear ya.

The whole stench of all this just sickens me.

Stay Well--Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 08, 2020, 01:07:52 pm
@All

Okay, let's keep the thread on topic. COVID19 related updates, posts, questions and items. Thanks.

@EM

Stop posting stuff deliberately to get a rise out of people. Express yourself by all means but leave the antagonising of people out of it.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: BubbaPat on May 08, 2020, 01:48:17 pm
So who all is working in a service where they are interacting with people?
Are they social distancing? Wearing masks? Gloves?
How is their demeanor?

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 08, 2020, 04:42:27 pm
So who all is working in a service where they are interacting with people?
Are they social distancing? Wearing masks? Gloves?
How is their demeanor?

I retired in 2013, but had I continued working, I would have been right in the thick of it.  I worked in a Independent living, assisted living, and nursing home complex. I have no problem imagining, what the staff and residents are currently going through.

Most of my friends, are bartenders, waiters in the hospitality business, and well.., they currently have no jobs. Their Hurting terribly. The restaurant business will have to be re thought out. the ones that are open are not busy, and I can't see them surviving on 25 % occupancy. It almost not worth it to turn the lights and AC back on.

I have a continual back and forth with a bartender friend of ours. He's always asking when I think they will reopen.  My response "Who Knows" ,... And also say to him, that you can't socially distance, in a small neighborhood dive bar, and feel safe. We have no desire to go back to the bars after their opened.  This is a bar we've been going to for the past 40 years !

The bar business will also have to be rethought. The bars with big outdoor patios may fair better, when they are permitted to open.


We did go to a restaurant the other day, All staff wore masks and gloves. The place was spotless, and Hand sanitizer dispensers were everywhere.

Also found out today ( No surprise) That the Buffet style restaurants are dead. None of them are going to reopen. And Gawd,,....did we love our Chinese buffets, and Duffs Buffet !! Sweet tomatoes, a healthy alternative buffet style restaurant announced today the are shuttering all there restaurants, with no intention to reopen.  I will also miss Sweet Tomatoes.  Golden Coral buffet restaurant is also closed until they can reconfigure. It's rough,... Alot of these places will have a difficult time coming back, if they ever come back.

The will have to reconfigure, and they will serve you what you want instead of hundreds of people handling utensils and serving themselves.Kind of like the old Morrisons cafeteria style where you choose, and they serve it.


Ray

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: phoenix on May 08, 2020, 06:25:56 pm
I work in a job where I interacting with the public.   About half the people I see are wearing mask, about a third are wearing mask and gloves. The rest aren't doing anything. Strangely enough the ones without any mask or gloves practice little or no social distancing. Not uncommon to groups of five or six standing close and chatting. No one comments much on the mask or gloves except when they see one they like or to say they can't wait until they don't have to wear them anymore.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 08, 2020, 11:28:21 pm
Hey Thomas,..

Hope you are all well. If I do any more head scratching, or slamming my head against the wall, I will end up with a bloody scalp , or a concussion.  I hear ya.

The whole stench of all this just sickens me.

Stay Well--Ray

Hey Ray, we are well...  I hope it is the same on your side.  We sold our house in Clearwater this past January and now live in Arkansas.  Be safe down there and get some of that beautiful sun!  It's supposed to be 37 degrees here in the morning, so much different than Tampa.


So who all is working in a service where they are interacting with people?
Are they social distancing? Wearing masks? Gloves?
How is their demeanor?

My wife is a systems analyst for a corporation that is considered essential, and it requires her to travel from state to state on a weekly basis.  She traveled by plane till the end of March and it was rather worrisome.  We lucked out though and made it through unscathed.  She now works from home doing system updates as well as an Ops support role. 

I work for a company that is considered essential as well and we all have our temps taken before we enter the facility.  We must wear masks, and all of us must maintain a 6 foot distance from each other.  It was rather rough in the beginning with many of us breaking the 6 foot rule, but now it's kind of second nature.  Our plant has not had any infections but our plant in Chicago has been hit hard with 23 cases and 3 deaths.

I am a guy that suffers from anxiety, so all this has had me frazzled at times.  About 3 weeks ago I started losing my breath while having a conversation with my wife, and the next day I could not get out of bed-- sleeping more than 18 hours, and still feeling exhausted.  I went to a drive up testing facility and had the swab stuck so far up my nose I think they tickled my brain (joking).  It came back negative though.... I just knew I had it, but was thankful my track record of being wrong remains high.

My 18 year old daughter was graduating high school this year and she was rather sad to find out her last day in March may be the last time she ever saw certain classmates.

We want some normalcy back, however, we are grateful to have our health. 

Be safe everybody....



Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: joemutt on May 08, 2020, 11:49:41 pm

EM

Could you not derail this thread constantly, please?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 09, 2020, 07:43:00 pm

With these latest cases of covid-19 in the West Wing, trump is "Lava-level Red " Mad, that he is not being protected more.

Now he knows what millions of Americans feel, on a daily bases.  I think they should take his two sons and daughter, and spread them apart, and have them work for two weeks in the meat processing plants, along the line.

Perhaps they can volunteer themselves in a trial of vaccines. 

The whole hypocrisy of this is that trump wants all Americans to act and go to work like nothing is happening at all.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on May 09, 2020, 07:55:19 pm
With these latest cases of covid-19 in the West Wing, trump is "Lava-level Red " Mad, that he is not being protected more.

Now he knows what millions of Americans feel, on a daily bases.  I think they should take his two sons and daughter, and spread them apart, and have them work for two weeks in the meat processing plants, along the line.

Perhaps they can volunteer themselves in a trial of vaccines. 

The whole hypocrisy of this is that trump wants all Americans to act and go to work like nothing is happening at all.


Ray

I thought political posts were being derailed! And in that case if this is being allowed I will start posting about Gates, Birx, Fauci and everything they're linked to which are proven facts..let me know Jim Allen
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 09, 2020, 07:59:17 pm
I thought political posts were being derailed! And in that case if this is being allowed I will start posting about Gates, Birx, Fauci and everything they're linked to which are proven facts..let me know Jim Allen


I believe there's  a difference.  I am STATING FACTS.  But if Jim would like to delete my post, I am OK with that ! :)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on May 09, 2020, 08:05:05 pm
How dare you state "all Americans feel". You have no right to speak for me.... Another MSM cover up with proven lack of facts being reported.

If you would look outside your bubble of these crooked news reporters you would find more truth. It's a clear fact that they have covered up many things over the last years of presidencies. I feel bad because many people don't even see this because they're so mad that the very reality they stood on is crumbling so they act out in anger instead of actually looking to the facts
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 09, 2020, 08:08:32 pm
How dare you state "all Americans feel". You have no right to speak for me.... Another MSM cover up with proven lack of facts being reported.



You NEED to learn how to read !! I said millions of American, never said "You" by Name" Your a troll!!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: PittGurl on May 09, 2020, 08:10:49 pm
And there you go name calling which isn't even necessary. I'm calling you on what you said. If you can't have a civil conversation don't resort to name-calling I did not do the same to you. I am an American and you put me in the lump of all Americans feel. There are plenty of Americans that don't feel that way and you're stereotyping
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 09, 2020, 08:13:07 pm


And you are out of touch and a denialist !!


Over and out !
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 10, 2020, 03:09:53 am
MOD NOTE

@Pittgurl.

You still don't seem to be catching onto the concept that other members are entitled to express their different opinions, this includes political thoughts. This is not an echo-chamber that you might experience within social media platforms. 

Anything being posted as fact, however, must be backed up with evidence as has been explained.

Consider this your final warning.

If you continue to troll and flaunt the standards of this forum it's going to lead to a time-out. I would hate for this to happen so instead use some common sense and stop.

Sorry to hear you feel that way.

I'm not sure how it's one-sided. You are welcome to your opinions, so is everyone else including myself and Zach. 

Any statements of fact need to be backed-up, in particular, when it's regarding anything medical or treatment-related. Solid peer-reviewed evidence is the standard expected from all members. This has always been the case.

Anyhow, hope you are doing okay during all of this. Best, Jim

MOD note:

@Pittgurl

Robust debate and expressing your opinion on subjects is welcome, however, the standard here is to provide references peer-reviewed published works for any health/medical/scientific information provided.

Understand that other members may also express their opinions, it seems from recent posts you are uncomfortable with that concept, however, that is how a forum and debate works.

Finally, if you have a problem with a member or a moderators decision then please report it, but trolling is not tolerated and, will be shut down as you put it. 

https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=277.0



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How dare you state "all Americans feel". You have no right to speak for me.... Another MSM cover up with proven lack of facts being reported.

Ray never said "all Americans feel" this is just another classic 101 trolling tactic. You make something up so you can then distract, disrupt and attack before calling it a coverup.

You seem to have a trend forming of calling everything you don't like or disagree with an MSM cover-up or claiming conversation is one-sided just because you can't back up your "facts".

Donald Trump wants to reopen the economy and in these last few days, a number of Whitehouse related staff have tested positive for COVID19. I don't see any cover-up or MSM issues with that. Youtube is normally not acceptable as evidence here, however since you dislike media so much, I've posted the below that includes recordings of Trump stating these things in his own words.

Trump on Opening Up America Again, Just listen to the recording.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/coronavirus-trump-issuing-guidelines-on-reopening-parts-of-us-amid-outbreak.html

Trump comments on Miller testing positive for COVID19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCEadMnQiWw

@Ray

Please include links when discussing news.

It helps prevent misunderstandings and allows other members to understand what you are commenting on. 

Thanks.

@All

I appreciate that this can be a very stressing time for people, it's also one of the reasons why we have this dedicated thread.

Please stay on topic!

Thank you.

Note:

The coronavirus outbreak continues to be a hot topic, as such, I have merged all related threads into this single sticky post.

I will continue to merge any new threads regarding the virus, this effort is not only to avoid duplication but also to ensure people who want to discuss it can and, with the latest information.

Additionally, this means that members who are finding the topic particularly distressing or those wishing to take a break from COVID-19 news can and aren't confronted with dozens of separate threads across the forum.

Finally, a small ask to please be additionally mindful and patient with each other during these times and to stay away and refrain from sharing unofficial/unreliable news sources or sensationalized media. Thank you.


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 10, 2020, 01:25:45 pm
Thank you Jim,


Per your request to supply links, I have provided a couple in regards to my post # 313.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/personal-valet-to-trump-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-reportedly-got-lava-level-212000774.html


In related news top CDC officials to self quarantine or isolate: CDC Director Redfield, Dr. Fauci and FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn. :

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/09/robert-redfield-cdc-self-quarantine-246098



Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on May 10, 2020, 01:30:25 pm
@Jim; you forgot to mention that the "ignore" button is also a very helpful tool  ;D
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on May 10, 2020, 02:44:32 pm
With my work at a college I daily come with a lof students. Some of my classes have small number of students appox 12 on average, and we then use small rooms in a casual seating...and that was dangerous. So first I and others followed to object and soon they decided to close down till end of academic year.
So since march 10th on full payed furlough, and I find no more sense in being home doing nothing and to stay inside as much as possible. I've become very restless, short tempered and unable to focus on anything anymore.
Sigh, but it is what it is, and I've got to endure...we all.
But to put things in perspective ; this is nothing compared to what Anne Frank et all, had to endure WW2 in Holland. Locked up in hiding from the Nazi's.

Ta ta...tomorrow is a new day with new chances, that can only be better than today.
 ;)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on May 11, 2020, 04:37:39 am
Oops I wrote that after 2 glasses of Merlot...rereading my post I noticed a few errors. My bad  :(

1) I daily come in contact with a lot of students
2) So first I complained and then other teachers followed

The Dean of the college immediately understood my dilemma. He was my roommate on the cardiac ward in 2016. We got to talk a lot in hospital. He knew about me being hiv positive, being on disability and frustrated of doing nothing, and invited me to apply for the teaching position.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Grasshopper on May 13, 2020, 03:38:19 am

How is it going with your toe issue ?

Reading this article today on CNN, reminded me of you

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/12/health/coronavirus-symptoms-blood-clots-inflammation/index.html

"It can cause 'Covid toes'
One last symptom that is puzzling -- but less troubling -- is known as "Covid toes." Patients are reporting red or purple swelling of their toes."


Hope everyone is well !,...

My partner brought to my attention two days ago, an article he was reading about "Covid toes"

It peaked my interests, because for approximately 3 1/2 months, I have something on my left foot ( Second toe in that looks very much in what is described in this article, and picture. I have read several different articles since.

See link:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/familyhealth/what-are-covid-toes-dermatologists-podiatrists-share-strange-findings/ar-BB12OAfm

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB12MJJ1.img?h=1084&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY.


Note the above pics are not my feet or toes !!  :P

This red spot on my second toe in on my left foot, looks almost identical to the picture in the link. It almost looks similar to what shingles looks like with a very slight blistering, in the early stages.

In my case it's not painful, and for the longest time, I was thinking that something was rubbing in my shoes, or perhaps my socks were irritating that particular toe. But nothing has changed in my footwear.

So I have kept it bandaged, with a daily smear of triple antibiotic ointment.

Once again, its not painful, I don't have the swolleness, that appears in the photo, and it's only on one toe.  it appears to be going slowly away, but ever so slowly.

In all of my life, (68 years) I have never had any issues with my feet, and my feet were always healthy in appearance.  Except for some mild Nephropathy as a result from HIV, I never had foot issues.

The other reason why I bring this up, In December for close to 3 weeks, I was really sick with a terrible non-stop cough, and quite a bit of respiratory shit going on. I think I reported it on a thread here, back when i had it. For 3 weeks I basically stayed home, was in bed most of the time, only getting up to go eat or use the restroom. It was a long and miserable 3 weeks. The coughing went on day and night. Sometimes I thought I was going to break a rib from all the coughing.

By the time I got to see my primary care doctor, I was about at the end of it and feeling much better, but, he ended up prescribing me a Z- pack for 5 days, as he still heard a lot of congestion in my lungs. The doctor thought I may have had the flu, but did not do a swab, to confirm. When I mentioned to to my infectious disease Dr, she thought a swab should have been done. It is what it is...

The Z pack ultimately cleared up everything, and I've been well ever since, Except for this thing in my one toe.

I will not diagnose myself, BUT, I am wondering if what I had in December was a milder form of covid-19. And perhaps, I built up antibodies.

So this will be part of the discussion when I see my doctor next.  By the way, What ever I had, I also passed it on to my partner, and he was prescribed a z-pack as well.

He had it no where near as bad as I did but still made him miserable for 2 weeks. He also recovered quickly by the completion of his Z-pac.

Just seems kind of coincidental, an honestly, a little frightening. But as I stated, I am doing quite well with no issues. I will probably see if i can get an appointment set up with a podiatrist.
 

Take care ----Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 13, 2020, 11:20:02 am
How is it going with your toe issue ?

Reading this article today on CNN, reminded me of you

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/12/health/coronavirus-symptoms-blood-clots-inflammation/index.html

"It can cause 'Covid toes'
One last symptom that is puzzling -- but less troubling -- is known as "Covid toes." Patients are reporting red or purple swelling of their toes."


Hi,.. Thanks for asking.


No real change in appearance. Not itchy, not sore, not painful, no bleeding. If it is going away it is ever so slowly, but it is still very noticeable.

I still apply triple anti-biotic ointment, and keep it bandaged, whenever I am out walking. Once again, its is only 1 toe. Since I am prone to skin cancers, I am also wondering if this may be some sort of basil cell, although it doesn't look like any of the other basil cells that I've ever had.

I have an appointment coming up soon with my primary, I will let him look at it, and make the appropriate referral to a dermatologist or podiatrist.

I am also going to contact my ID doctor, through secure messaging, and ask her if she can consult briefly with dermatology and podiatry, (since there all close together in the same building) and see if others are reporting this type of toe thing.

I will keep this subject updated as I learn more. Meanwhile, everything here is fine, and I am feeling great. Appetite is fine no loss of taste. temp is always around 97.7

No problem with leg numbness, other than the neuropthy I have. No problem walking.

Thanks and stay safe---Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Mojito on May 17, 2020, 03:20:03 am
My test for CD4 and VL was due in May. However my doctor has advised not to visit test centre or hospital as a safety precaution from covid-19. She said as I'm doing good on my numbers (last CD4 was done in December 2019 came 638 and VL in July 2019 was less than 50), we can wait for couple of months for the test once things get better instead of visiting a test centre or hospital and risking catching corona virus. I think she's right.  Has anyone testing also delayed because of corona?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Matths on May 17, 2020, 07:09:46 am
Hi, same situation here and exactly same advice I got from my doctor. I was on a quarterly VL test cycle and my last blood work was done in December. I was told to continue taking the medicine and wait for getting blood work done until I hear from him. I agree with this advice since I’m 100% compliant, and my prescription was extended and I get the medication mailed every month. But I can’t lie, I would like confirmation in writing that my VL continues to be < 20 but must be patient for now. Best matths
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: kentfrat1783 on May 17, 2020, 09:12:42 am
Hi,

The same advice I got from my specialist back in March when the start of the Pandemic was hitting the US hard.  As my numbers were still low I was able to get my specialist and local primary care doctors to work together and I was able to get me CD4 and VL tested locally.

Now I'm getting to the point that I want to get back to my normal routine as the last results weren't as I hoped.  Yes, probably shouldn't go to a major clinic but I want to get back to a somewhat normal schedule.   I just need to see when I'll be allowed to make an appointment.

Just remember that the appointments are used to spot any abnormalities and a few months won't be an issue as your numbers are still good.  Also, better to wait a few months so you can make sure not to get anything worse. 

Take care,
Kenneth
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on May 17, 2020, 10:01:38 am
Went to hv my blood drawn last week. This appointment date was set before covid “was born”. After blood drawn, I was ask to asked to delay coming for the results. When Dr saw that I hv eye plus skin appointment dates as the same on ID dates in May, she say it is too troublesome to change 3 appointments. Other people hv to change Dr after drawing blood.

My parents half yearly appointment was change to Sep.

I think most hospitals are trying to avoid “crowds” to minimise any covid infection risk. They are also trying to protect both the public & frontliners.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: harleymc on May 19, 2020, 06:08:48 am
In Australia the numbers affected have been relatively limited, which is not to diminish the suffering for the families and individuals concerned.

The economic Impacts here are dramatic and widespread, but the organisation that I work for is growing during this time.

Doctors are easy to access and my commuter train is almost empty.

It's really bizarre but I'm in the privileged position where life is better for me on material measures.


I hope everyone is travelling through this ok.

Besos y abrazos a todos.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CR2016 on May 20, 2020, 10:35:19 am
Hi there.
Here, in méxico, public health institutions use to date for CD4/VL test only one day a week. This day people for another clinical analysis isnt dated, just HIV or Cancer patients; and for our security we must stay away and entering in small blocks of patients. For results they recomend another person assist instead us.
i have tested last monday morning, dates for specialist are not available yet, maybe on june or july are going to start scheduling again.
hugs everyone here, we really hope this episode pase over smoothly.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: joemutt on May 20, 2020, 10:53:44 am
Had my blood test on 8 May and saw the doctor today,
regional hospital Thailand. It is important that people who need to see their doctor see them.
Very well-organised, temperature taken, hand gel available, everybody wore masks,
distancing respected by all, an atmosphere upbeat solidarity. Volunteers offered free haircuts, got one.

I feel much safer here than in my country of origin where handling this crisis has been a disaster.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 22, 2020, 07:46:37 pm
Some evidence-based on data from 96,000 coronavirus patients from 671 hospitals around the world and the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine.

In full Published:May 22, 2020
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

In short:
Quote
Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with a second-generation macrolide, are being widely used for treatment of COVID-19, despite no conclusive evidence of their benefit. Although generally safe when used for approved indications such as autoimmune disease or malaria, the safety and benefit of these treatment regimens are poorly evaluated in COVID-19.

In this large multinational real-world analysis, we did not observe any benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (when used alone or in combination with a macrolide) on in-hospital outcomes, when initiated early after diagnosis of COVID-19. Each of the drug regimens of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with a macrolide was associated with an increased hazard for clinically significant occurrence of ventricular arrhythmias and increased risk of in-hospital death with COVID-19.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on May 24, 2020, 10:27:19 am
Hi everyone, I'm  gonna vent here a little if you don't mind.

A certain segment of the American population keep down playing this pandemic saying "look at the numbers, it's less than 1% deaths", jesus christ, are they really serious?.
Before this month is through, this thing will surpass a hundred thousand deaths here in the US and we've been in it for only 4 months? That's more than any full year of deaths from AIDS in the US.. and these people are whining about how wearing a goddamn mask infringes on their rights.. unbelievable!

Recently I stood on an outside line at a donut shop, and the dude in front of me wasn't wearing a mask >:(  but I paid it no mind, just kept my 6ft. I winded up in the shop with this idiot bc they allow only 3 ppl in at a time. Then this idiot starts his blah, blah, blah, about "how stupid it is to stand on line, how stupid it is to wear a mask".. the clerk kept his cool and just kept asking him about what donuts he wanted,  and kept interrupting his rant with "is that all sir?".
These kind of idiots are all over the place, not only not wearing a face cover but yapping away the same rightwing diarrhea president moron has encouraged. They're beyond selfish with no commonsense. I honestly am considering moving to Canada.

A discussion also came up in an HIV chat group about the similarities of HIV/AIDS and Covid-19. Imo I think it's apples and oranges. HIV is for life and carries stigma, Covid is a gamble with the odds in favor of young healthy ppl.
Personally I wouldn't want to die from neither of these just bc I wouldn't want to die period. But if I had to catch one (too late), I'd rather take my chances with the Covid. Thoughts?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on May 24, 2020, 07:49:37 pm
Recently ran into this tweet from the Mayor of Chicago..
Quote
Today, to my great astonishment and disappointment, nine members of the Cook County Board of Commissioners voted to capitulate to ignorance and bigotry by voting to force the disclosure of the addresses of every patient who has tested positive for COVID-19.
https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1263639082824896512?s=20 .. this has got to be a HIPAA violation, no?
What's next, will they also disclose the names and addresses of HIV positive ppl?
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 24, 2020, 08:13:48 pm
Hi everyone, I'm  gonna vent here a little if you don't mind.

A certain segment of the American population keep down playing this pandemic saying "look at the numbers, it's less than 1% deaths", jesus christ, are they really serious?.
Before this month is through, this thing will surpass a hundred thousand deaths here in the US and we've been in it for only 4 months? That's more than any full year of deaths from AIDS in the US.. and these people are whining about how wearing a goddamn mask infringes on their rights.. unbelievable!

Recently I stood on an outside line at a donut shop, and the dude in front of me wasn't wearing a mask >:(  but I paid it no mind, just kept my 6ft. I winded up in the shop with this idiot bc they allow only 3 ppl in at a time. Then this idiot starts his blah, blah, blah, about "how stupid it is to stand on line, how stupid it is to wear a mask".. the clerk kept his cool and just kept asking him about what donuts he wanted,  and kept interrupting his rant with "is that all sir?".
These kind of idiots are all over the place, not only not wearing a face cover but yapping away the same rightwing diarrhea president moron has encouraged. They're beyond selfish with no commonsense. I honestly am considering moving to Canada.

A discussion also came up in an HIV chat group about the similarities of HIV/AIDS and Covid-19. Imo I think it's apples and oranges. HIV is for life and carries stigma, Covid is a gamble with the odds in favor of young healthy ppl.
Personally I wouldn't want to die from neither of these just bc I wouldn't want to die period. But if I had to catch one (too late), I'd rather take my chances with the Covid. Thoughts?


Let it out !!! I know exactly what you are saying here. And it frustrates me to no end, that there's a whole lot of people STILL not taking this seriously. !

I could go on and on, but I get so pissed off.  I have a few friends that want the bars back open again. And I keep saying to them  " ARE YOU SERIOUS ? "  " ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND YOU?"  Perhaps in a few months those people may not be around, or they may have survived, a few weeks of being in the hospital.

Did you see the video out of Daytona Beach yesterday,

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/24/video-large-crowds-take-over-daytona-beach-shut-down-roads-bridges/

https://abc11.com/lake-of-the-ozarks-daytona-beach-social-distancing-ozark-party/6208566/
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 24, 2020, 08:34:22 pm

" Highly populated areas like Tampa and St. Petersburg, Fla., are now reporting dozens of new cases. Collin County, Texas, in the Dallas metroplex, and Wake County, N.C., are also showing signs of broader spread.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/covid-19-spreading-through-southern-midwestern-states/ar-BB14qy61?li=BBnb7Kz

Here in Pinellas County, Florida, There are 34 long-term care facilities in Pinellas County with positive cases.  Approx two weeks ago it was 23.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on May 24, 2020, 08:42:32 pm



https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/05/18/pinellas-county-s-long-term-care-taskforce-assessing-all-elder-care-facilities-
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on May 24, 2020, 08:43:23 pm
I could go on and on, but I get so pissed off.  I have a few friends that want the bars back open again. And I keep saying to them  " ARE YOU SERIOUS ? "  " ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND YOU?"  Perhaps in a few months those people may not be around, or they may have survived, a few weeks of being in the hospital.

Did you see the video out of Daytona Beach yesterday,

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/24/video-large-crowds-take-over-daytona-beach-shut-down-roads-bridges/

https://abc11.com/lake-of-the-ozarks-daytona-beach-social-distancing-ozark-party/6208566/

I seen the Ozark one, but not Daytona 😖 wtf?🤬.

I miss Florida but definitely not "this Florida". Stay clear of these obnoxious fools. Think we need two vaccines, one for the Covid, and another for the stupidity. It's sad how people will go out of their way to be assholes.

Thanks Ray
Title: POZ.com webinar June 1st - "POZ At Home - Coping with Covid-19 and HIV"
Post by: Jim Allen on May 27, 2020, 11:07:46 am
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Webinar Speakers:

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Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on May 27, 2020, 11:12:52 am
I am sure some of you have seen this already.

POZ Write-up in full: https://www.poz.com/blog/new-york-times-commemorates-100000-covid19-deaths

In Short:

New York Times Commemorates 100,000 COVID-19 Deaths. The New York Times dedicated the front page of the May 24, 2020, edition to commemorating nearly 100,000 COVID-19 deaths in the United States

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Front page of New York Times on May 24, 2020 commemorating 100,000 COVID-19 deaths.
Title: HIV & COVID19 is POSITIVE status
Post by: v9 on May 30, 2020, 06:21:53 am
Hi everyone
                     I'm so worried  :'( :'(about Covid19 test at work . at my work they gonna reopen soon but before go back to work they will test for covid19 but if you are covid19 your blood gonna show positive status right! But same thing who living with Hiv has positive status also .  I have question if at my work do test my blood to check i have covid19 or not but i didn't has covid19 but result it  show positive status because i have Hiv this thing will let them know ? I has hiv   Please everyone tell me this positive status the result is same thing for hiv test ?

                                                                            Thanks you very much everyone
Title: Re: HIV & COVID19 is POSITIVE status
Post by: Grasshopper on May 30, 2020, 07:20:12 am
The test is designed to only detect Covid19.
No worries about Hiv or other infections
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: v9 on May 30, 2020, 05:22:27 pm
thanks you sir
Title: Re: POZ.com webinar June 1st - "POZ At Home - Coping with Covid-19 and HIV"
Post by: Jim Allen on June 01, 2020, 08:40:15 am
Hope everyone interested has registered for today's webinar with POZ.com, I'll certainly be attending and looking forward to it.


8)

POZ will be hosting a live discussion via Zoom on Monday, June 1st.

Webinar Speakers:

Mark S. King
Award-winning blogger, author, speaker and HIV/AIDS advocate

Venita Ray
Deputy Director @PWN-USA

Charles Sanchez
HIV+ Writer, Performer, Director and Activist

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJQBym8s/poz-at-home-covid-19-1.jpg)

Click https://www.pozathome.com/registration to register for #POZatHome
“Coping With #COVID19 and #HIV,” a live discussion via Zoom with Mark S.
King, Venita Ray and Charles Sanchez hosted by POZ editor-in-chief Oriol
Gutierrez at 7 p.m. EST, Monday, June 1.
Title: POZ at Home: Coping With COVID-19 and HIV [VIDEO]
Post by: Jim Allen on June 06, 2020, 02:09:38 am

https://www.poz.com/article/poz-home-coping-covid19-hiv

Recording of the POZ at Home episode, Oriol R. Gutierrez Jr. has a conversation with Mark S. King, Venita Ray and Charles Sanchez about how they are coping during the coronavirus pandemic while living with HIV.

Also, the “I Know I’m Enough” parody music video starring Mark S. King and Charles Sanchez was premiered
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 11, 2020, 08:41:56 pm
Florida reports highest single-day total of coronavirus cases Miami Herald


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-reports-highest-single-day-total-of-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB15magA?li=BBnb7Kz


MIAMI — Florida’s Department of Health on Thursday morning confirmed 1,698 additional cases of COVID-19, the highest reported in a single day since the pandemic began. The state now has a total of 69,069 confirmed cases....

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 11, 2020, 08:49:03 pm


We went into a bar that we have been going to for the last 40 years.  They reopened this past Friday.

There was NO social distancing, no one except us was wearing mask, bartenders had no mask and no gloves.

It was as if they just reopened the doors and turned the lights on, all bar stools were in place with no distancing.

I said to the bartender, That I will be curious as to how many Covid cases, appear in people in the next few weeks that were in the bar.  We then Left.

No desire to go back.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 11, 2020, 08:53:36 pm

Covid cases/ Deaths by county ( Here in Florida )

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-coronavirus-map/32128507#


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on June 12, 2020, 12:07:40 am
We went into a bar that we have been going to for the last 40 years.  They reopened this past Friday.

There was NO social distancing, no one except us was wearing mask, bartenders had no mask and no gloves.

The least they could do...
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Just kidding Ray, you did right thing to stay away.. indoors poses the biggest risk.

I myself have attended protest here in Portland. I wore my face condom and stayed clear as best I could. Surprisingly these young people gave eachother some space and most wore mask, but the closer you got to the speakers, the closer people were to eachother. I'm not worried since we were outdoors, we stood towards the back of the crowds.

And although the numbers are climbing here in Oregon too, tomorrow we'll be in phase 1 of reopening. I really just want to head to the thrift stores, get rid of and find some stuff.. safely ofcourse.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 12, 2020, 05:15:10 pm
The least they could do...
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Just kidding Ray, you did right thing to stay away.. indoors poses the biggest risk.

 I really just want to head to the thrift stores, get rid of and find some stuff.. safely ofcourse.

  ;D ;D

We're Big thrift store junkies.  ;D  Always into "stuff"  :D  They have been opened here for the last 3 weeks or so, and for the most part, have been run very well. For the longest time they weren't accepting any donations.


On a sadder note.  The " Wagon Wheel flea market"  in Pinellas Park has completely shut down, and will not reopen. This place has been in operation for 55 years. This was an enclosed flea market with an adjoining outdoor flea market.

It sits on prime real estate . So I am sure there will be some expensive condos going up in that space soon.

Another icon gone !! 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/06/10/wagon-wheel-flea-market-closes-after-55-years



Take care and stay well----- Ray  8)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 13, 2020, 02:49:16 pm
Just a week after bars opening, 3 bars in St. Petersburg test positive for Covid-19 and are temporarily closed.



St. Pete bars the Galley, Park & Rec and the Avenue Eat + Drink close after employees test positive for COVID-19.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/12/the-galley-staffers-test-positive-for-covid-19-st-pete-bar-temporarily-closes/



This is what happens, when you have a governor, kissing Trumps ass. !!

And This:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/09/st-petersburg-summer-camp-closed-after-positive-covid-19-tests/

And this:

https://www.tbnweekly.com/coronavirus/article_ea901336-ad92-11ea-ad35-836a5ba67072.html

And this :

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ap-online/2020/06/13/florida-coronavirus-cases-rising-as-state-reopens


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 13, 2020, 03:12:17 pm


Pinellas County Commissioners had an emergency meeting today, because of Covid cases at 1:00, but as of yet, I have not heard of any new rulings.
Title: Testing positive for coronavirus: like testing poz all over again
Post by: CalvinC on June 13, 2020, 07:00:47 pm
[Sorry Jim, couldn't figure out how to post in the coronavirus thread, so I assume you'll  move this over there.]

I got tested yesterday, for no real reason other than I had a very very mild cold about five weeks ago. Otherwise, absolutely asymptomatic. They called this morning and said I had a positive result, with low levels of the virus in my system. The imputation is that I have either just got the virus or, more likely, that I got it sometime over the past couple of weeks.

I wasn't upset or scared; I'm in very good health. Yet the feeling was one like I got when I tested positive in 2006, something like "The virus is in you." I felt guilty for "being so stupid as to get this," the same way I felt about getting it in 2006, despite everything I knew about hiv transmission. In the case of coronavirus, I have been super-vigilant, and it baffles me how I got it. And so I feel stupid and that people will look at me as being stupid, even though I know they won't.

Then, to top things off, I emailed a friend (just a friend, nothing more) with whom I had a very safe-distance walk last week, to tell him what was up and that it would likely be a good idea to test. There wasn't any "I'm sorry to hear the news" or "Are you okay?" What I got was, "It's been 8 days since we had a walk, and I was wearing a mask, and I'm feeling well, so I'm sure I don't have it, but I'll get tested." And then more of that.

And this goes back to my hiv diagnosis. When I told the guy I was seeing that I had tested positive, he said "You're kidding?" and he got right onto his cell phone and called his GP. I was stunned. Then he quickly ditched me. He apologized months later, and I get that he was freaked out etc. But still.

Anyway, today's result wasn't hard to take; but it's sure stirred up a lot of history. Sigh.

Cal
Title: Re: Testing positive for coronavirus: like testing poz all over again
Post by: J.R.E. on June 13, 2020, 10:54:22 pm
Calvin,

Sorry to hear about your Covid test result. What is your Doctor telling you to do at this point ?

Are you currently in isolation, and are they ordering another test for you soon.  Don't feel guilty about getting this result.  There are many others that are positive for Covid, and simply are not aware of it, because they are asymptomatic.

The main thing is taking care of yourself., and staying in touch with healthcare professionals, and getting additional test done when required.

Are you monitoring your temperature daily. ?

Take care of yourself-----Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on June 13, 2020, 10:57:36 pm
Back here business has started back. However, cinemas/attractions/pubs is still close.

Over these 3 months, owners have seen government coming down hard once there are “clusters” of cases, like half a dozen. Army will come without warning with barbs wires and lockdown these area. So, business owners is paying attention to social distancing as well as getting their staff tested. Almost everyone wears a mask.

Business needs to open back. Most important is that there cannot have people challenging these strict “rules”.
Title: Re: Testing positive for coronavirus: like testing poz all over again
Post by: virgo313 on June 13, 2020, 11:10:48 pm
Hi Calvin,

Don’t think u need to fell you hv done something wrong. You just caught covid not knowing it is there during ur daily routine. It can happen to anyone. Covid will recover & it is not like HIV where we need to pop pills till the end. Most will be cured in weeks. Lots people who are covid+ just need to follow treatment & just isolate for few weeks. Then they are back to work. Just bear for a while. Tks
Title: Re: Testing positive for coronavirus: like testing poz all over again
Post by: harleymc on June 14, 2020, 03:29:32 am
Take care Calvin
Title: Re: Testing positive for coronavirus: like testing poz all over again
Post by: Almost2late on June 14, 2020, 09:55:57 am
You've got nothing to blame yourself about, many are walking around with it unknowingly. Sorry you caught it. Hope it stays mild for you.

On the bright side, once you're over it, you got the highly prized antibodies.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on June 14, 2020, 10:11:13 am
The night before the scheduled opening, the governor says nope. I feel bad for restaurant owners who blew money on supplies.

https://katu.com/amp/news/local/gov-brown-puts-hold-on-approving-county-reopening-applications
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CalvinC on June 16, 2020, 12:26:04 am
Thanks for the supportive comments, all.

So guess what? I'm not corona positive. I got a call the next day; they re-tested the swab and it came up negative. So I had to go back. Second test, negative. Did a third test today, and I'll get the result tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll be negative.

My health has been perfect through all of this, not a single covid symptom. What baffled me was how I could have gotten it -- and now at least I know I've been doing all the "do" things, to make sure I don't. What a rollercoaster.

Warning! If you get the test, be prepared for the swab. Waaaaaay down the nasal cavity. Someone joked, "Good thing they didn't swab another orifice you have." Trust me, I've had rectal swabs and this nasal swab was was worse, stunningly uncomfortable!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 16, 2020, 08:32:47 am


So guess what? I'm not corona positive. I got a call the next day; they re-tested the swab and it came up negative. So I had to go back. Second test, negative. Did a third test today, and I'll get the result tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll be negative.



Warning! If you get the test, be prepared for the swab. Waaaaaay down the nasal cavity. Someone joked, "Good thing they didn't swab another orifice you have." Trust me, I've had rectal swabs and this nasal swab was was worse, stunningly uncomfortable!



That's GREAT !!

I am having in about another hour my telehealth phone call with my ID doctor. ( Practitioner).

The last 4 days or so, I have had minor on again off again headaches, with dry coughing, and minor sore throat issues, and some shortness of breath. No production of phlegm during the coughs.  Been monitoring my temperature, and there's no problem there. Some body aches. My Chest feels a little tight, and I've been taking mucinex, for about 4 days now.

Anyway,  I am going to ask her about possibly getting tested, or if she feels that it's necessary.


GOOD LUCK, with your third test results !!


Take care---Ray  8)

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 16, 2020, 09:58:47 am
Hey all,..


Just spoke with my id Doctor.  She also suggested that I get a covid test done.  I have secured messaged my Primary care, and will receive further instructions or advise as soon as he responds.  I believe I can have this test done at the VA clinic, or Bay Pines VAMC. They have tents set up, outside of both these facilities.

Will let you know more later--

Ray
Title: HIV Emerges as Risk Factor for COVID-19 Death in South Africa
Post by: Mindless on June 17, 2020, 11:07:16 am
Maybe I’m in a bad mood today but I’m starting to get annoyed by some of the titles of these articles. I mean, why put this subhead to the article title:

Article title and subhead:
Quote
HIV Emerges as Risk Factor for COVID-19 Death in South Africa

Having an undetectable viral load did not change the risk, which nevertheless was not as severe as the risk tied to diabetes.

Text in the body:
Quote
The researchers noted that almost all those with HIV who died of COVID-19 had other health conditions. About half had diabetes, and approximately half had high blood pressure

Find this annoying... sorry, definitely in a bad mood but this kind of information doesn’t help. Will stop reading it for a while.

Source: https://www.poz.com/article/hiv-emerges-risk-factor-covid19-death-south-africa (https://www.poz.com/article/hiv-emerges-risk-factor-covid19-death-south-africa)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 17, 2020, 02:53:36 pm
UPDATE:

Had the call today , to go to Bay Pines VA hospital, tomorrow at 9:30 to get a covid test.

Noticed more headaches today, no temp increase. Still have dry coughing.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 18, 2020, 10:50:53 am



Had my covid test done today, about an hour ago, at the VA hospital in St. Pete.

My body temp was normal, blood pressure was normal, the doctor listened to my heart and lungs, and said the lungs sound very clear, !

They used two swabs one swab went up the right nostril, and she twisted it 5 times, She then put that same swab up the left nostril and repeated.

She then took the second swab and repeated the procedure for both nostrils.

She then handed me the CDC sheet of instructions, And told me that my primary care, or infectious disease care would call me within 24-36 hours.

They were very well organized today, and my total time there was about 20 minutes.


So now,  it's wait and see what the results are.

The swabs didn't bother me too much at all, but afterwords I could feel it.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: CalvinC on June 19, 2020, 02:07:20 am
So what happened?

My third test was negative, so that's good.

They swabbed both nostrils? Wow. Maybe they swabbed you differently? She put the swab waaaaay down and my body instinctively pushed back....but I was standing, so I arched my back.... She was going "sorry sorry sorry" (like a good Canadian  :D ).
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 19, 2020, 11:03:47 am
So what happened?

My third test was negative, so that's good.



I still have not received the test results yet. And seeing that its Friday, I wonder if it will take to Monday to get the results, if I hear nothing today. I was sitting down with head tilted back for the swabs.

 ;D  She told me I handled the swabs like a real trooper. She said a lot of people have problems with it, but I barely felt it.  She told me she was up in the nasal cavity very deep.

I did have some pressure around my nose, and face, for about an hour after the test, but no big deal.


Congrats on the third test as negative !!

I have another telehealth appointment with my primary on Monday at 8:30.  They notified me of that yesterday afternoon.

Otherwise, I am doing pretty well, taking all into consideration !  :)

Stay well----Ray  8)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 19, 2020, 11:14:50 am
Because of the spike in cases, Mandatory face mask required in Tampa, in public places, Effective 5:00 this afternoon. It is also required in ST. Petersburg @ 5:00 today.


https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/18/mayor-jane-castor-announces-mandatory-mask-order-for-tampa/

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/tampa-bay-and-florida-have-largest-daily-surges-new-coronavirus-cases"

" The state also saw its largest daily increase, with 3,207 new cases – the first time it topped 3,000 in one day. This brings the total to 85,926.


Ray


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on June 19, 2020, 07:42:02 pm
Because of the spike in cases, Mandatory face mask required in Tampa, in public places, Effective 5:00 this afternoon. It is also required in ST. Petersburg @ 5:00 today.

We've also had this same announcement here in Portland coalescing with the first phase of reopening. But there will be no enforcement if you refuse to wear a mask, except businesses can refuse service to people for not wearing one.

It will be interesting to see how this will all pan out. I still see people walking into supermarkets without them.. and they appear to be of a particular type, the defiantly ignorant.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/face-masks-mandated-in-several-oregon-counties-effective-june-24/283-b33892a5-c6c7-4273-9b83-a3f3a0fb1131

Meanwhile in Oklahoma tomorrow this..

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Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 19, 2020, 08:31:17 pm

I just sent that image out to about a half dozen people !! I wonder how many will be in the hospital in a week or two...

RAY
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 20, 2020, 07:22:10 pm


Another record broken in Florida today.  4,049 Covid cases in a single day (Saturday)

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/06/20/ongoing-coronavirus-coverage

I still have not received my results yet from my Covid test done on  Thursday.

Patiently waiting.....


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 22, 2020, 09:55:43 am
UPDATE 6/22/20

Received my result this morning for my Covid test that I did last Thursday.


Result :   NOT DETECTED !! SO I was very pleased and happy about that.

However, I am still dealing with shortness of breath, dry cough, and muscle aches.

I spoke with my primary care a little while ago by phone.


So this is what we are going do.

1--- Decrease atorvastantin from 40mg to 20 mg. I've been on 40 mg ( From 10mg) of atorvastatin for about a week and a half. This may explain the muscle aches, and soreness. The increase in the statin, was because my  total cholesterol had jumped to 271

2. Since I was diagnosed with COPD about 7 years ago, I have never been retested. . Seven years ago the COPD was so mild that nothing was prescribed. I haven't smoked in over 20 years. But was previously a heavy smoker, for quite a few years. COPD does not go away, and only gets worse, over time.

3-- The Doctor decided to send me  a box of inhalers to try out for the shortness of breath.  He also ordered another Pulmonary test done, to determine, if my COPD has increased and may be part the issues I am having.

Along with the Mitral heart valve issue, I am such a freaking mess !!  :P Almost 69 years old, with HIV for 35 years. Blood pressure medication, cholesterol medication, yada , yada, ...   ::) Another reality is hitting me again. !


The main thing is that currently I am negative for Covid, which was my biggest concern. It looks as though all the mask protection, and social distancing, hand washing,  we're doing is keeping Ed and myself safe from Covid at this time.

I may have mentioned this before, but we decided to stop dining in at restaurants, about a week ago.  It's just not worth the risk. We will continue to support our favorite restaurants, but will only have curbside pickup, or home delivery.

We continue to refuse to go into any of our favorite  bars at this time, because none of them are following CDC guidelines.Everybody in these places where NO masks, and there is no social distancing,.. And it's hard for me to believe they are even sanitizing properly.

 The mandatory face masks policy, is not in effect for Clearwater, Fl. At least for the time being, but that may change shortly.

Went to Sams Club the last week, and bought another 50 disposable face masks. So we're fine there. They were about 25.00  dollars cheaper, than what I paid about 6 weeks ago.

We're about to go down to the pool to take some laps, and sit in the Hot tub for a while. You never know, if the county may shut down condo community pools again, because of the spike. It won't surprise me if that call is made.

Just this minute, I  received a call from Bay Pines,  The Pulmonary test is scheduled for September 24th.  That's the earliest they can get me in, due to the current Covid conditions.


Stay well everyone --- Ray  8)

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 23, 2020, 09:29:54 pm
Pinellas County, Florida Commission Approves Mask Mandate, Effective June 24. I knew this was going to happen, should have happened sooner.


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/06/24/pinellas-county-commission-approves-mask-mandate--effective-july-24



Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on June 24, 2020, 03:37:35 am
UPDATE 6/22/20

Received my result this morning for my Covid test that I did last Thursday.


Result :   NOT DETECTED !! SO I was very pleased and happy about that.

However, I am still dealing with shortness of breath, dry cough, and muscle aches.


Glad to hear you don't have the covid Ray.. and hoping you get rid of whatever that is that's ailing you.

Pinellas County, Florida Commission Approves Mask Mandate, Effective June 24. I knew this was going to happen, should have happened sooner.

They say if everyone wore a mask that we'd prevent transmissions by 80 to 85%, so yeah.

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on June 24, 2020, 06:32:32 am
Hi Ray,

Glad to hear you tested COVID negative, hope you feel better soon though.

@All

I had taken a break from COVID news and updates for my own wellbeing.

In Ireland, things are starting to unlock and the shops/stores are reopening and some people are queuing to buy stuff.

However, for myself, I have come to an unpopular conclusion. I don't miss standing around in queues wasting my time, or having to find a parking space or having my arse squeezed "by accident" or dealing with sometimes snotty coughy sneezy unwashed shop staff or their customers.

The sneeze guards are a good start, replacing staff where possible with machines would improve retail service though and be safer. The past few months I purchased nearly everything online from shoes, electronics, games, food shopping to a new Camara all in the comfort of my own home and will continue to do so, it's been an eye-opener.

With very few exceptions Shops/Stores can go the way of the dinosaur as far as I am concerned. Understand not everyone will feel this way and there are those currently who rely on shops but maybe the future will be different
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on June 25, 2020, 05:50:52 am

With very few exceptions Shops/Stores can go the way of the dinosaur as far as I am concerned. Understand not everyone will feel this way and there are those currently who rely on shops but maybe the future will be different

I'm one of those who are not feeling your way. As it is, many small businesses have permanently closed due to Covid-19.. while big companies like Amazon have seen profits. With automation, lost of jobs, where are all these people going to work? Cities without restaurants and shops are cities without a character, without a soul.
With more ppl working from home, they'll be plenty of empty office space too.
No one traveling, means no tourist. Sounds like a dystopian future from a sci-fy I don't want to read.

Those kind of changes have a ripple effect too.. we're more interconnected than you might think. My guess is a lot of very bored, desperate ppl. Might disrupt those online orders.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on June 25, 2020, 07:37:12 am
 :) That's grand, everyone's take away from this crisis will be different.

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Cities without restaurants and shops are cities without a character, without a soul.

Places will always have restaurants, bars and some shops catering to the market that's left. I don't feel they create the character of a city/town, I would though agree that they can add or subtract from the character.

Point is if stores and the high street shops want my custom after COVID they are going to have to do something about the quality of service & staff. Does not mean all shop workers are bad, some are great I'm sure. Thing is I don't even mind paying extra, however, at this stage, I would rather see the Amazon's of the world take over the majority of the market.

The ripple effect, more IT jobs, Support workers, Software developers, Drivers, Engineers, Storage facilities and history is filled with examples of people throwing their wooden shoes so to speak along the way into new ways of doing things.

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No one traveling, means no tourist. Sounds like a dystopian future from a sci-fy I don't want to read.

Yeah, it's hard at the moment for sure, however, I doubt somehow no travel or tourism is a permanent issue.

Jim
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on June 26, 2020, 12:12:48 am
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I would though agree that they can add or subtract from the character.

That's my point, when much of the main street is lined with restaurants, cafes, shops and whatever... and many are forced to close, that's a lot of subtraction all at once.. that once thriving street becomes a very depressing place.

And what a coinkydink, those contemplating suicides get their very own number..

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/fcc-national-suicide-hotline/index.html

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The ripple effect, more IT jobs, Support workers, Software developers, Drivers, Engineers, Storage facilities and history is filled with examples of people throwing their wooden shoes so to speak along the way into new ways of doing things.

I have no issues with innovations, I hope you are right and we're all headed to a wonderful post Covid utopia. But from my experience, every time we find ourselves in an economic realignment, the  gap   between     the     haves     and      have      nots       gets      ever       wider...         at least it does here in Amerikkka.

Protections from evictions and foreclosures are about up, and many here are still unemployed. I have my own theories on where we'er headed.. sure hope I'm wrong.

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Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on June 26, 2020, 01:31:02 am
 ;D "post Covid utopia"

That made me laugh, the world was generally a shithouse wherever people can be found before and will remain so after Covid if you ask me. Economic recessions are always hard I agree and recovery & growth in jobs will take time.

Quote
That's my point, when much of the main street is lined with restaurants, cafes, shops and whatever... and many are forced to close, that's a lot of subtraction all at once.. that once thriving street becomes a very depressing place.

Main streets will fill up again with time with remaining business, however, I don't see having fewer physical shops & stores overall as a long term problem, I see it as a long term improvement and we can do more useful things with space it frees up with jobs in other areas as mentioned.

I still think with very few exceptions Shops/Stores can go the way of the dinosaur.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on June 26, 2020, 11:27:00 am
Talking about unemployment,ironically, I'll be working at least 2 months this year (seasonal jobs) and most other people on my island will remain unemployed until next summer.
The tragic thing is that,a young girl in Rhodes (9 years old),fainted because she was malnourished and her mother still unemployed without any money,because there's no tourism.
I just hope we only make it through the winter,our lives depend on the summer season and covid couldn't hit at a worse time for us.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on June 26, 2020, 12:00:52 pm


New  record for Florida today.  9,000 new cases in a day.

As a result, Florida suspends consumption of alcohol in bars.

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/bars-in-florida-can-no-longer-serve-alcohol-state-official-announces

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on July 01, 2020, 03:40:23 pm
I take sadistic pleasure from the PR trashing that Gilead is getting now. Exposed and called out for the evil corp they are

Pricing remdesivir equivalent to HIV meds and the public is outraged

Partisan politics made irrelevant by a viral reality. The hubris it took to gamble on reopening is mind boggling.

Human capital and allowable losses is all we are.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 02, 2020, 12:12:55 pm
10,000 plus cases here in Florida, in a single day.

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases-florida/67-31b99493-ecf7-44df-8494-6727318ad668

I was listening to someone from Florida the other day, who said that by the time this is all over, Governor Di Santis, will have to change his name to Gov. Di'sastrous

Our friend who's father is in a nursing home here, reported 25 infected residents, and 15 infected staff members. The nursing home is in Clearwater. She was notified at home of the situation.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on July 03, 2020, 10:52:19 pm
10,000 plus cases here in Florida, in a single day.

My inlaw who lives in Tampa has cought the damn thing. So far it's been only fever, head and body aches... fingers crossed it doesn't get any worse.

And Oregon has just reported it's highest single day total at 375 yesterday.. while it dwarfs what you're dealing with in Florida, it's significantly higher than it's highest prior single day total of 278, bringing the grand total of confirmed infections statewide to 9,636.. lower than that 10k 1 day total in Florida. Mind you though our population is just a bit over 4.2 million, still our governor remained proactive throughout the pandemic to keep it from going way out of control.

Some of those sworn to "protect and serve" have failed us miserably by refusing to wear a mask after our governor ordered ALL to do so.. wonder where these pigs got that idea to own the lib governor🤔..
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/oregon-state-police-dont-wear-coronavirus-masks-as-they-patronize-corvallis-coffee-shop-despite-governors-order.html?

On a different note, I'm spending my Covid Independence Day weekend watching Hamilton on via Disney+, can't think of a more appropriate show for the day.
Happy🎆4th🇺🇸everyone..

(https://images.wsj.net/im-186071?width=1280&size=1)
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 04, 2020, 12:30:21 pm
My inlaw who lives in Tampa has cought the damn thing. So far it's been only fever, head and body aches... fingers crossed it doesn't get any worse.




I am wishing your in-law the best, and a full rapid recovery. Hopefully it won't get any worse.

MEANWHILE,...

Florida broke another record on the 4th of July with 11,458 cases.


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/07/03/daily-coronavirus-coverage


Also,  6 of the 11 hospitals here in Pinellas County, Florida have no ICU beds available.

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/pinellascounty/six-pinellas-county-hospitals-have-zero-percent-icu-bed-availability/67-6157f6d0-d90b-420d-a815-fc1f5ed92fb1


We are hunkered down for the long haul !! Only going to the stores/ pharmacy when necessary. Clearwater beaches are opened, as other beaches are around the state. Its going to be a very rough next 2 to 3 weeks., and Governor Di'sastrous just doesn't get it. !  >:(



Ray




Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 04, 2020, 01:00:20 pm


Some of those sworn to "protect and serve" have failed us miserably by refusing to wear a mask after our governor ordered ALL to do so.. wonder where these pigs got that idea to own the lib governor🤔..
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/oregon-state-police-dont-wear-coronavirus-masks-as-they-patronize-corvallis-coffee-shop-despite-governors-order.html?




I guess some of these cops, are looking for a month long vacation in a ICU ward. Craziness !!  >:(



Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 05, 2020, 06:10:06 am
Really !! Love the comments


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-says-a-face-mask-makes-him-look-like-the-lone-ranger-one-problem-with-that-2020-07-01


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: harleymc on July 05, 2020, 09:30:40 pm
From the other side of the world I'm finding the level.of politicisation around face masks is in the USA is astonishing.

So far in Australia there is only tepid support for mass public masking in Australia. One state is now recommending the practice, but it is only compulsory for health care workers in certain fields.

I'll take them up when I return to work. I've had a few days off with a non-covid respiratory infection. I can't afford any more time off work or to pick up another infection on the trains.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on July 08, 2020, 07:14:25 am
Really !! Love the comments


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-says-a-face-mask-makes-him-look-like-the-lone-ranger-one-problem-with-that-2020-07-01


Ray

Lmao🤣.. what a stupid ass..
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Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 12, 2020, 11:55:37 am

Florida Breaks New Record With More Than 15,000 Coronavirus Cases:


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/07/12/ongoing-coronavirus-coverage


And our do nothing governor, continues to do nothing. No Mask mandate.

Yesterday he made a comment that if Walmart can be open,   So can the schools.  >:(


Its a dire situation day by day here.



Ray ( Still Hunkering down )

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 14, 2020, 11:54:38 am
Gov De'Santis.... (Di'Sastrous) of Florida, heckled and shamed yesterday:  VIDEO


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ron-desantis-florida-heckled-coronavirus-us-press-conference-a9617581.html


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/coronavirus/2020/07/14/daily-coronavirus-coverage

More Than 9,100 New Coronavirus Cases Reported for Florida; Single-Day Biggest Jump in Deaths

Ray

Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Jim Allen on July 16, 2020, 01:21:50 am
The news from Florida is concering indeed. Was talking to my team, some of them are  based near Orlando and they are naturally worried, same goes from the guys working in Pune, India where they have reentered lockdown due to the increasing COVID cases.

https://time.com/5867007/india-reimpose-lockdown-coronavirus-1-million/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-hospitals-face-icu-bed-shortage-state-passes-300-000-n1233899

In the meantime here in Ireland things seem pretty stable, with only slight increases ,however, the government did announced they will be deffering stage 4 of reopening the nation given the recent trends. It means no mass gatherings and pubs, bars, hotel bars, nightclubs and casinos that don't serve food will remain closed.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-ten-person-limit-put-on-house-gatherings-as-pubs-to-stay-shut-until-august-10th-1.4305203
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on July 17, 2020, 05:02:52 am
Recently we opened borders with the UK to have tourists (the kind that drinks a lot and doesn't care) and im quite scared,since im about to restart work.
We already closed borders with Serbia after just one week of opening.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: virgo313 on July 17, 2020, 11:04:46 am
You mention that ur community is facing a tough time due to they heavily earn from tourist. Perhaps opening could help them. As for fear that there may be imported new infection, I believe your government have some rules that tourist must follow. It is a difficult balance between worry & getting the economy going again.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 17, 2020, 03:44:22 pm
The news from Florida is concering indeed. Was talking to my team, some of them are  based near Orlando and they are naturally worried, same goes from the guys working in Pune, India where they have reentered lockdown due to the increasing COVID cases.



Orlando, which is in Orange county, is one of the areas that are are getting a lot of covid results.

Currently in Orange county there are 22,753 cases.  And yet Greedy Disney has opened.!! ( Disney is in Orange county. There have been 750 new cases just since yesterday.

Interactive covid map:

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 17, 2020, 03:52:19 pm


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-ten-person-limit-put-on-house-gatherings-as-pubs-to-stay-shut-until-august-10th-1.4305203

The bar or pub re-openings, is what contributed here to the fast increase in cases. A lot of these bar owners, just unlocked the door, turned the lights on, and basically said lets get drunk. With NO social distancing .  Such a shame !

Of course, the bars have since then been shut back down.

The bars here in Florida were only open for 3 weeks before being shut down a second time.


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 18, 2020, 02:32:06 pm
Central Florida Accounts for Half of New Coronavirus Deaths


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/07/17/florida-s-coronavirus-numbers-slightly-lower-friday
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: BubbaPat on July 22, 2020, 02:22:59 am
I live in Dallas County and it amazes me the number the KEEPS increasing.  Of course, working retail, I understand it.  We have a large number of people who just really don't care because they don't believe it's serious.
I had a lady walk in and when I politely called about the need for masks, she raised her hand that contained her mask and said she had it.  Never made the attempt to put it on though. 
Luckily, a man walked in behind her and her husband, hear my interaction and saw her response.  He literally stopped in his tracks. Looked at me, then her, then made a mock shock gun motion. I nearly lost it with laughter.
That in itself shows me there are SOME people out there with common sense.

Bubba hugs y'all!!
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: fabio on July 22, 2020, 05:10:18 am
That's the big concern in the island I live on. The people seem to believe more  that it's a "scam" (even though it doesn't make any sense,because a lot of money has been lost already) and are prone to believe the conspiracy theorists......
Of course,everywhere I go with a mask I get laughed at,however now it's been made necessery to wear one in enclosed spaces.
So far we had a tourist on the island with the virus and probably some rogue ones.
I hope everyone is well and I hope you are too bubba. Hugs.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on July 27, 2020, 10:10:35 am
Local church held a tent revival a few weeks ago.

Great idea. Went as expected. Took a few weeks to bear fruit.

1 death. Spike in local infections. Magistrate Judge was there, infected, exposed courthouses in two counties.

I sure as hell hope that church got their tithes and offerings for the good works.

I swear to their God, something is wrong with the way these people think.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 28, 2020, 06:19:22 pm
Twitter temporarily restricts Donald Trump Jr.'s account after he posts video claiming masks are unnecessary


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/twitter-donald-trump-jr/index.html


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 28, 2020, 06:22:51 pm
Dr. Stella Immanuel Covid: Twitter penalize Donald Trump Jr for sharing Houston Texas doctor wey promote hydroxychloroquine video for Covid-19 treatment



https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/media-53574591
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 28, 2020, 06:26:43 pm
Who or what is Stella Immanuel:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 28, 2020, 06:33:15 pm
Florida Sets Single-Day Record for Coronavirus Deaths With 186, Adds 9,200 New Cases :

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/florida-sets-single-day-record-for-coronavirus-deaths-with-186-adds-9200-new-cases/2268782/

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on July 28, 2020, 09:44:10 pm
Dont kink shame me for fucking demons in my sleep, I've got a thirst only demon semen can slake

Of course we're being modified with alien DNA. How else are we supposed going to survive?

Jeez people, these are serious times.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 29, 2020, 05:07:57 pm
After Florida's record breaking day of covid death cases yesterday, Florida broke the record again today with 216 deaths :

Interactive map by county:

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/07/20/florida-new-coronavirus-cases


Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 29, 2020, 05:37:25 pm
And if Covid wasn't enough, we now have this possibly coming out way.

Much of Florida in Cone of Potential Tropical Cyclone


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/weather/2020/07/27/more-atlantic-trouble-trouble-this-week

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 29, 2020, 06:09:34 pm
Florida Closing All State-Run COVID-19 Testing Sites Ahead of Storm:


https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/07/29/florida-closing-all-state-run-covid-19-testing-sites-ahead-of-storm

Ray
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: J.R.E. on July 31, 2020, 09:51:35 pm
'We're dying here,' Florida newspaper says in pleading with governor to issue a statewide mask mandate

 I believe we are in our 4th consecutive day of record breaking Covid deaths, here in Florida.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/were-dying-here-florida-newspaper-says-in-pleading-with-governor-to-issue-a-statewide-mask-mandate/ar-BB17qI78?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: harleymc on August 01, 2020, 04:30:22 am
As little as a month ago Covid wasn't changing much in my life.

But as diagnoses have steadily climbed in the neighbouring state of Victoria and now here in New South Wales I've been wearing a mask to and from work, lots more regulation at work. It looks like I'll never be heading out to a bar or restaurant or celebrating birthdays with friends for years to come

I'm very sad for the people who are losing family and friends and can't be with them in their final hours   I remember back to the worst of the AIDS epidemic, at least we would be able to visit and to care for our loved ones. 

I'm also upset that researchers are excluding PLWHAs from Covid vaccine trials.

I must count my blessings this has not yet infected anyone who I know.
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: zach on August 02, 2020, 08:06:39 am
Is it just me, or are some of these infected senators and congressmen the same people that criminalize and demonize nondisclosure of hiv status?


Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on August 02, 2020, 08:32:42 am
Pozzies are not good enough for the vaccine. Why am I not surprised.

"As large trials get underway to test the vaccines needed to stop the global coronavirus pandemic, one group has realized they are being left out and is not happy: People living with HIV."..

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/groups-protest-exclusion-hiv-infected-people-coronavirus-vaccine-trials
Title: Re: *** Coronavirus thread ***
Post by: Almost2late on August 06, 2020, 04:11:25 pm
"Honest Government Ad | A message from the White House"..
https://youtu.be/dpIkl2QnJeI