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Title: Pricked with tailors pin
Post by: simon.richards123 on January 14, 2020, 06:46:21 am
Hi there,

Recently I was trying on my new suite and there was one a pin that somebody had left in the back of the trousers. i pricked my index finger and it bled for a while.

I am aware of the low risk that this is however I am just seeking some confirmation.

If theoretically, someone had just pricked themselves with the same pin who had HIV then surely there would be some degree of risk? I will refer to the story of the Australian man who infected his wife via sewing needles.

This has been worrying me for some time and I am considering getting tested.

Please can you give me some advise on the actual degree of risk if somebody had indeed pricked themselves before me.

Many thanks for your time,

Simon.
Title: Re: Pricked with tailors pin
Post by: Jim Allen on January 14, 2020, 06:51:36 am
Hiya,

A pin left in the trousers, no HIV risk.

Jim

 



Title: Re: Pricked with tailors pin
Post by: simon.richards123 on January 14, 2020, 08:00:41 am
Thank you for your response. But how can you be so confident that its not a risk. Surely, if there was some blood on there  it must be some degree of risk? I understand the virus does not survive well outside of the human body but surely that does not mean NO risk?

Thanks
Title: Re: Pricked with tailors pin
Post by: Jim Allen on January 14, 2020, 08:19:15 am
It's easy, HIV can be transmitted through shared needles (syringes), this is mainly due to vacuum and injection of backwash quantity into the bloodstream, (common) or in occupational settings (Hospitals) with hollow needle injuries (highly rare).

However, this does not apply to discarded syringes, let alone sharp objects like pins/closed needles etc, in fact, this is so much so not a risk or the same due to HIV being too fragile to remain infectious outside the human body and it lacking quantity to infect that it makes perfect sense there simply has not been a single documented cases of HIV transmission due to contact a discarded sharp or needle of any kind. None!

If someone living with HIV directly pulled the tailors' pin from their own vain and directly with no delay stabbed you in the vain with it, I would still be telling you to move on with your life, it would be such an extream theoretical risk that stressing about HIV would be near paranoid.  You did not even have this happen to you, nowhere even close to this, you simply had a tailors pinprick on the finger in a new suit, that had been there for long enough, I'm not sure why this has triggered this irrational HIV fear.

Plenty of myths and bullshit stories though.

https://www.avert.org/news/5-weirdest-hiv-transmission-myths-ever

Rumour: During the 1990s, a common myth suggested that discarded needles left by strangers anywhere from gas pump handles to inside your cinema chair were infecting unassuming people with HIV. One such story involved a girl getting an unexpected needle stick injury while reaching down beneath her cinema seat to pick up some popcorn.

Reality: Although HIV transmission is a risk between people who share needles for drug use, there has actually never been a recorded case of HIV transmission from a discarded needle.

http://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/needlestick-injuries-discarded-needles-and-risk-hiv-transmission

There have been no definite cases of HIV infection among healthcare workers following an occupational needlestick injury in the UK since 1999.
There are no documented cases of HIV infection through contact with a needle or syringe discarded in a public place.

Collection of misinformation on Spitting, Discarded syringes/needles & myths on transmission in the news media  https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=72874

Move on with your life, stop reading nonesene online.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP as an additional layer of HIV prevention for the future.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for far to acquire STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Title: Re: Pricked with tailors pin
Post by: simon.richards123 on January 16, 2020, 08:54:48 am
Thank you for your response.

Do you have anything to comment on regarding the following stories:

Two girls in Mexico shared manicure equipment and ended up with exactly the same strain of HIV.

Secondly, Two girls sharing shaving equipment ended up with exactly same strain of HIV.

Finally, a man in Australia admitted to using sewing needles to infect his partner.

So given these (rare) stories of confirmed infection, how can you be so certain that pricking yourself with a tailors pin that could have potentially pricked someone else is zero risk?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Pricked with tailors pin
Post by: Jim Allen on January 16, 2020, 09:30:51 am
Already answered.

This is a factual assessment, not storytime or fantasy.  There are no confirmed cases the way you fear from a discarded needle, none! A discarded pin also lacks all the biological conditions needed, hence it's all listed as myths by trusted sources for good reason.

I also already explained that if someone living with HIV directly pulled the tailors' pin from their own vain and directly with no delay stabbed you in the vain with it, I would still be telling you to move on with your life, it would be such an extream theoretical risk 1 or 2 in 90 million that stressing about HIV would be near paranoid. 

You did not even have this happen to you, nowhere even close to this, you simply had a tailors pinprick on the finger in a new suit, that had been there for long enough, I'm not sure why this has triggered this irrational HIV fear.

It's easy, HIV can be transmitted through shared needles (syringes), this is mainly due to vacuum and injection of backwash quantity into the bloodstream, (common) or in occupational settings (Hospitals) with hollow needle injuries (highly rare).

However, this does not apply to discarded syringes, let alone sharp objects like pins/closed needles etc, in fact, this is so much so not a risk or the same due to HIV being too fragile to remain infectious outside the human body and it lacking quantity to infect that it makes perfect sense there simply has not been a single documented cases of HIV transmission due to contact a discarded sharp or needle of any kind. None!

If someone living with HIV directly pulled the tailors' pin from their own vain and directly with no delay stabbed you in the vain with it, I would still be telling you to move on with your life, it would be such an extream theoretical risk that stressing about HIV would be near paranoid.  You did not even have this happen to you, nowhere even close to this, you simply had a tailors pinprick on the finger in a new suit, that had been there for long enough, I'm not sure why this has triggered this irrational HIV fear.

Plenty of myths and bullshit stories though.

https://www.avert.org/news/5-weirdest-hiv-transmission-myths-ever

Rumour: During the 1990s, a common myth suggested that discarded needles left by strangers anywhere from gas pump handles to inside your cinema chair were infecting unassuming people with HIV. One such story involved a girl getting an unexpected needle stick injury while reaching down beneath her cinema seat to pick up some popcorn.

Reality: Although HIV transmission is a risk between people who share needles for drug use, there has actually never been a recorded case of HIV transmission from a discarded needle.

http://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/needlestick-injuries-discarded-needles-and-risk-hiv-transmission

There have been no definite cases of HIV infection among healthcare workers following an occupational needlestick injury in the UK since 1999.
There are no documented cases of HIV infection through contact with a needle or syringe discarded in a public place.

Collection of misinformation on Spitting, Discarded syringes/needles & myths on transmission in the news media  https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=72874

Move on with your life, stop reading nonesene online.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP as an additional layer of HIV prevention for the future.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for far to acquire STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

Please Note.
As a member of the AM I Infected Forum you are required to only post in this one thread no matter how long between visits or the subject matter. You can find this thread by going to your profile and selecting show own post and it will take you here . It helps us to help you when you keep all your thoughts or questions in one thread and it helps other readers to follow the discussion. Any additional threads will be deleted.