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Author Topic: Deep kissing or french kissing hiv risk  (Read 668 times)

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Offline alimemon1987

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Deep kissing or french kissing hiv risk
« on: May 29, 2022, 06:36:03 am »
Can someone please help me I am 35 male and i have kisser a few males a few times..All happened was deep intense kissing.
After reading online i am getting confused as i always thought kissing was a no risk situation.
Now i am reading about somecases that got hiv through deep kissing so getting confused. I dont check other persons mouth when i kiss..

Whats the risk associated with kissing like french kissing?

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Re: Deep kissing or french kissing hiv risk
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2022, 06:37:46 am »
Hiya,

Kissing is not an HIV risk.

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse correctly and consistently, with no exceptions. Consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as safe in terms of acquiring HIV still pose a risk for other easier acquired STIs. So please do get tested at least yearly for STIs, including but not limited to HIV, and more frequently if condomless intercourse occurs.

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms, and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Offline alimemon1987

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Re: Deep kissing or french kissing hiv risk
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2022, 07:11:52 am »
can you please tell me how come Cdc mentiones that on rare occassion its a risk? and there was one case? Are there more cases ?
Do i need to test for hiv after those kissing events?
All i seee on internet is it can be risky with blood but i dont know if it was blood while kissing or not.

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Re: Deep kissing or french kissing hiv risk
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2022, 07:34:36 am »
In over 40 years there are no confirmed cases.

Saliva and the environment are hostile towards HIV, breaking down the receptors needed to cause HIV infection leaving it unable to infect, also the mouth generally lacks a route for HIV to infect and even if you had gaping holes it would still not be an exposure to viable HIV.

The CDC knows this as well, I know in 93-94 they thought they had a case but they didn't and I am not going to speculate why continue to hold onto theoretical risks or information from before the HAART era without proper context, it's not my job to police them.

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risky with blood

In theory sure, if you had a gaping hole in your mouth and your partner was pissing blood out of their mouth and instead of helping them, you decided to try and drink their blood directly from their mouth, prehaps or something equally ridicules  ::)

Never seen it happen in real life and there are no confirmed cases. Nowadays (Post HAART era) the barriers to this type of transmission are well known and understood. 

Relax and move on with your life, although, please don't post about kissing again . I am not saying that to be mean, but we have thousands of threads on kissing & HIV and why it's not an HIV risk that you can read using the search function.

Jim.



https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/sexual-health/can-you-catch-hiv-from-kissing/

https://i-base.info/qa/3565

https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/hiv-transmission

https://www.scotsman.com/health/fifth-scots-think-hiv-spread-kissing-1429848

http://www.aegis.com/conferences/12wac/21143.html

Saliva neutralizes HIV-1 infection by displacing envelope gp120 from the virion.

Int Conf AIDS 1998 Jun 28-Jul 3; 12:267 (abstract no. 21143)

Malamud D, Nagashunmugan T, Friedman HM, Davis CA, Abrams WR
Dept. Biochemistry Univ. Penn Dental Med., Phila 19104-6003, USA.

BACKGROUND: Incubation of HIV-1 with human saliva decreases infectivity. This inhibition is specific for HIV-1, with no effect on adenovirus, HIV-2 or SIV and appears to work at the level of the virus rather than the host cell. We have now identified an active protein fraction and provide evidence that the mechanism of action involves stripping of gp120 from the virus.

CONCLUSION: The specific inhibition of HIV-1 infectivity by human submandibular saliva is associated with removal of gp120 from the virus. The active fraction contains several proteins, including two high molecular weight glycoproteins.

http://www.aegis.com/conferences/4croi/412.html

Mechanisms of anti-HIV-1 activity of human submandibular saliva.
Conf Retroviruses Opportunistic Infect 1997 Jan 22-26; 4th:140 (abstract no. 412)
Nagashunmugam T, Malamud D, Davis C, Friedman HM; University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA.

http://www.aegis.com/conferences/12wac/60770.html

Neutralizing effect of secretory IgA to HIV in parotid saliva of HIV-infected patients.

Int Conf AIDS 1998 Jun 28-Jul 3; 12:1142 (abstract no. 60770)

Moja P, Desgranges C, Pozzetto B, Lucht F, Genin C
Gimap University of St.-Etienene, France.

BACKGROUND: The aim of this study was to test S-IgA purified from secretions of HIV seropositive patients in a neutralization assay to determine whether specific S-I&A can protect from HIV infection.

CONCLUSION: These data demonstrate that secretory IgA, which is the predominant isotype in secretions, can inhibit HIVMN infection of MT4 cells. HIV neutralization has been carried out with CD4+ T cell line adapted virus strain as a standardized model system, but the use of mucosal autologous primary isolates in neutralization test would be useful to estimate the actual protective effect of these antibodies in each patient.


 
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