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Author Topic: Frottage / Rubbing?  (Read 463 times)

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Frottage / Rubbing?
« on: December 21, 2021, 06:30:44 pm »
Hi,

Had an encounter about two weeks ago.  Basically the woman, while wearing underwear was riding on top of me while I was naked, kind of rubbing her (clothed) vagina against my penis.  Been about two weeks and I came down with some extreme fatigue, night sweats, swollen lymph nodes, the works.  I know there's a big Omicron outbreak where I am, so im inclined to believe that's what is causing my symptoms.

I also know that HIV can't pass through clothing, but my related question revolves around if somehow the panties got pushed to the side while she was on top, would just her naked vagina touching against my penis be a risk?  Also if not, could you explain why and maybe point me to where I can read more to avoid worrying?

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Re: Frottage / Rubbing?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2021, 09:23:58 pm »
Hiya,

HIV is fragile, limited in the routes it can be acquired. Sexually HIV is only acquired inside the confines of the human body, like during intercourse.

Rubbing against lacks the conditions needed, fluids would be exposed to the environment meaning the receptors HIV uses to infect would correct, leaving it unable to infect, and the fluids in this situation would be from her bartholin's glands, this is a lubricating fluid and does not have any more HIV present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are not HIV infectious fluids.

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider talking to your health care provider about taking PrEP going forward as an additional layer of HIV protection.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get tested regularly and at least yearly for STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and, the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Re: Frottage / Rubbing?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2021, 09:30:23 pm »
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where I can read more to avoid worrying?

Not sure reading more is going to do you stress levels any good, and I'm not a librarian but you can find some basic information here: https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/hiv-transmission-risks

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Re: Frottage / Rubbing?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2021, 09:58:39 pm »
Makes sense, so unless I actually penetrated (which, from my experience is quite obvious), there's no risk?  In this case she was wearing underwear so would be impossible unless my dick snapped

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Re: Frottage / Rubbing?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2021, 10:09:36 pm »
Yeah, there was no HIV risk to you without penetration.
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Re: Frottage / Rubbing?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2021, 10:25:11 pm »
Got it, clearly just needed an anatomy lesson.  One more thing and I'll just buy a membership if more questions come up.  Appreciate everything so far.

So there's no risk because the vaginal fluids you touch before you actually penetrate do not have sufficient levels of HIV present, but should you enter the vagina you'll reach fluids that do have sufficient levels, and at that point they'd have to enter through the urethra?

As a follow up, do we know for a fact that its never been transmitted this way? 

Thanks again, I'm just trying to get enough info to where I feel comfortable not testing

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Re: Frottage / Rubbing?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2021, 10:49:42 pm »
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One more thing and I'll just buy a membership if more questions come up.


Please don't. It's a risk assessment, safer sex and testing information, and although I'm happy to answer some questions on HIV during an assessment, I'm not here to teach biology & virology.

From a practical point of view, sexual HIV prevention is simple, reduce your risks by using condoms for any intercourse, consider PrEP and test out of routine as you are sexually active at least yealry.

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So there's no risk because the vaginal fluids you touch before you actually penetrate do not have sufficient levels of HIV present, but should you enter the vagina you'll reach fluids that do have sufficient levels, and at that point they'd have to enter through the urethra?

In a basic summary, this would essentially be correct, I would add that if condomless vaginal or anal penetration occurs, the foreskin could also be a route and that an additional barrier to pre-penetration would be the exposure to the environment.

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As a follow up, do we know for a fact that its never been transmitted this way?


Yeah, we do in the post HAART era (mid 90's) as at that time the biological and environmental conditions needed to acquire HIV had been proven, hence it makes sense there has never been a documented case the way you fear.

 

« Last Edit: December 22, 2021, 03:38:59 am by Jim Allen »
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