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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: lilc on February 14, 2007, 05:52:44 pm
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Can anyone tell me if Diverticulosis is in any way related to HIV? I had a colonoscopy and they found two small diverticula. My experience was less then two months ago. Would this even show up that early anyway.
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No, it's not related. It's caused by not getting enough fibre in your diet.
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Ok thanks. My exposures were a couple orals only and I feel unlucky enough to be a rare case by getting a hummer. I did a google search for diverticulosis-hiv and all kinds of results came back. Do u think that is just people that ended up getting it that had hiv and that is why it made a report?
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You don't get hiv by receiving a blowjob. Can people with HIV get diverticulitis, mostly because that don't eat right but for the most part their problems will be diarrhea and they wish they could have a case of diverticulitis.
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So its not related, some just tend to get it right? Just to ease my thoughts, in an hiv case would any symptoms other than the flu like symptoms show up within about 2 months anyway? Also is a 60 day test good for an oral exposure?
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If you were the receiver of oral sex then you don't need to test.
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Diverticulitis has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with HIV. Can we say it any clearer than that?
In the entire history of the epidemic there's never been a case of transmission to someone who got a blowjob. It's safe to say you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.
This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
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Appreciate it guys. So NO test except maybe for piece of mind?
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It's your dollar
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How about my question regarding symptoms within 2 months in my third post? Would really like to know if any other would show up that early. Also, what is the deal with the people on this site who seem to have been infected through oral? I think if I understand right they all gave except one who claimed to RECEIVE.
This isnt like the struck by lightning deal is it? Very rare, but it could happen, and then it would still be so rare to not walk around and worry about. I hear some sites view it that way. Just want to make sure the no risk statement is good, there always has to be someone who falls into rare, 0.1 percentage.
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If you have symptoms at all, they happen 2-4 weeks after infection and last 1-2 weeks. The come all at once and leave all at once. Again, you do not get infected by receiving a blowjob.
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Anyone have an opinion on my last post the second paragraph? I dont understand this thinking along with sites that say the risk is estimated to be close enough to zero to not walk around and worry about. That to me just doesnt seem like to be no risk, it seems it would be very rare and people wouldnt believe you anyway if it did happen. Even here there are people making the claim and everyone doesnt believe them, all is said is that it happened some how and no sense worrying about it now. Why do all these people claiming this have to be lying, or why is it that they must have forgot another exposure?
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Lilc, we can't really analyze or account for what a very few people have said about having become infected by giving oral. What we can say is that the "evidence" has been essentially anecdotal and not subject to serious scientific scrutiny.
Without calling anyone a liar, there are factors which sometimes influence the accuracy of reports including alcohol consumption & drug use, shame about the specifics of sexual acts and/or incidents which involved sex outside a relationship.
What we can say with certainty is there have been several longterm studies of sero-discordant couples, both gay and straight. Among these couples there was both vaginal & anal intercourse consistently with condoms. There was also frequent unprotected oral. The net result has been that not a single sero-negative partner became infected.
I do think it's possible that some people have become infected by giving oral, particularly to a man. But considering how common an activity that is, the rarity of such cases means it comes down to the individual having to decide what level of risk is acceptable.
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So where do the differences really come in between giving and receiving, when both can be with contact to semen or blood, and the mouth can be of poor health as well as the penis can due to arasions, cuts, sores and the urethra right?
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If you are receiving a blowjob, you can't infect yourself. Salvia does not transmit HIV. Giving a blowjob there is a minute risk, but as time goes on you'll find that you can't get infected in that manner. The Spain studies showed were couples one positive and one negative had protected vaginal/anal sex and unprotected oral sex, that they did not contract HIV over years of the study.
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I guess what i was trying to say is, if it is possible to contract thru giving due to poor oral health and the exposure to semen or blood, and u still have the saliva there, why is it not the same if u can be infected thru the urethra or have a penis that may be not in the best of shape, and u could be exposed to a person with bleeding gums or sores like the cdc says?
Also to be infected in the urethra does somrthing justhave to enter or does it have to travel little ways in there. Is that a direct entry to he bllodstream or does there need to be a cut or something in there too?
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You're lurking in the land of of "what ifs." That's an unproductive place to hang around in, Lil.
Anything other than sex with your own hand could theoretically be risky for HIV. But in the real world of HIV through studies and experience we know that transmission happens in very specific ways. The twists and turns and variations your mind is coming up with don't change what we've learned about transmission and how it happens.
We tell you that no one has ever been documented in the entire history of the epidemic to have been infected by getting a blowjob. Uncountable trillions of blowjobs later and no documented transmissions. That doesn't seem to be good enough for you. You seem to committed to worrying you will be the one to make history.
We've told you what we know to be so. You can drag this thing around as long as you need to. There's no need for testing, but of course you can do that at 13 weeks after the most recent event if you choose to.
I can't help wondering if you have some feelings about the circumstances of the events which you're uncomfortable about. But whether that is so or not, you weren't at risk for HIV no matter what your mind continues to come up with. Really.
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So the land of what ifs is in the theoretical area? If there are what ifs, my do u say no risk?
And i know u say no documented cases but isnt it hard to figure out since prob everybody has other activities also?
Or is this sites risk assesments based on the studies alone?
As far as themaking history part, i dont think that will everhappen because some who already madethe claim have been discredited or i guess not believed. Do u really bekieve that everyone who claims this has anoter exposure or doesnt want to admit to something?
I did see my doc and was told saliva usually doesnt carry enough virus but a extrem high viral load could possibly cahnge that,, and teh presence of even a minute amount of blood could be a factor. From reading here i thought it had to be alot.
One thing I forgor to add, how many people looking to get a bj are actually going to inspect someone mouth or look for bleedin gums or blood on penis.
Let me make an example, if someone gives oral with poororal health and contacts semen why does the saliva not always protect then?
And in the same case, if receiving, then why is it said salive would inhibit the virus in the blood? Shouldnt these be the same situations?
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Let's end this real quick. Go get tested, get your negative result and move on. We are not here to argue with you. If you knew so much you wouldn't be here to begin with.
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Sorry Rod, I'm not trying to argue or be a pain in the balls. I just don't understand the actuall thinking and reasoning behind the no risk basis if there is actully a what if and theoretical possibility.
I will take your advive and get a test as that may be the only way to solve this.
I also agrree if i did understand, then no i wouldnt be here.
Andy, im going to take rods advice, but do u have anymore views on my last post? as i said, ijust dont understand. Thanks again.
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You do not get HIv from getting a blowjob. Not only is saliva non-infectious, it contains upwards of a dozen proteins and enzymes which render HIV harmless.
Yes, even if the person has blood in his/her mouth. Saliva actually causes red blood cells to explode.
Thing is, it's fun to parse theory if you are a scientist. More fun still if your funding source promotes such deviation from quantified science to pursue an anti-sex agenda.
No one has become infected with HIV from getting a blowjob. And scant few people seem to have acquired the virus from giving one. Testing for the former is simply a waste of time, concern and resources. Testing for the latter is considered overkill.
Insofar as your doctor stating that the infectious qualit of saliva can change with a viral load, well, I feel bad for his patients. He is not speaking from a scientific standpoint, only from someone who does not fundamentally understand the science behind HIV infection.
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Thanks JK, I take it receiving is the former right? Also, what do u mean by the dr not understanding the fundamentals?
On a seperat note, Ive read many of your posts and it seems u are very knowledgable and a great benefit to this site. I also read some of your blog, and I hope u are doing better and i wish u all the best. Thanks for your help.
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lil,
Jonathan means your doctor doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to hiv infection.
Ann
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Thanks u for answering. I have to find a way to make this stick in my head. I know the answer as u guys say but those what if fear monsters keep jumping back in my head. All I can do is reassure myself of your word and I am ok.
thanks once again
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Hey ROD, i was reading another respone of yours and you talked about fluids being forceably introduced into the urethra. So it is true that fluids need to be entered forceaby and just contacting the tip alone would not do it?
Another thing , i tried to read other threads and do research before asking. i found a couple threads i coud relate to but not sure if it is the same or not. What are the muscle aches/pains that would come with ars? Are they like just an overall feeling of weakness like when you get sick, or would they be specific to one area? mine were only in the legs/groin. they are gone now but i couldnt linkthem to any specific activity i might have done to cause them. And by the way they were on and off for about a month or so. Each would last about 2-3 days.
JK or Ann, i think i understand but to be clear, even if a person had an extreemly high VL and bleeding gums that, putting the two together would that make a dif or are the effects of saliva still overpowering. I know this is a what if as andy said but just curious. thanks
Should there even be a what if regarding insertive oral, not speaking theoretical but actual?
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Fortunately feelings and what ifs are not facts. The bottom line is you weren't at risk for HIV no matter what your mind may continue to tell you to the contrary.
Go ahead and test if you must. Collect the inevitable negative result. Of course your mind may continue anyway to say HIV is your problem. That's the way the mind can be sometimes.
This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
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thanks andy, what i meant was there really shouldnt even be actual what ifs if it is no risk, right? I guess that makes sense. And even though i have no reason for the muscle problems have u ever heard of anything like that or something that could cause it to start after an oral experience?
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Does any one have comments on my last post? I hope it makes sense, the way i worded it. Or i guess maybe im just taking this too far. i hate the thought and fear of testing, but i dont know any other way to stop being scared and thinking every thing that happens to me is hiv related. im just about in the conclusive area now so i will let everyone know how it turns out. Probably about a weekor so. Talk to u then. Wish me luck
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Any thoughts on my last 2 posts? Am i going too far?
The problems i had were urethra discomfort/redness at opening(lasted 6 weeks), sore throat (2 days), leg aches/pains (on and off 2 months), a swollen gland (confirmed) that comes and goes for 2 months now- no discomfort.
I cant make sense of any of this, does this sound like it was something else that maybe some meds i took cleared up?
Also if at the least please answer these:
Does hiv ever cause urethra problems/discomfort?
What are the muscle aches associated with hiv? Are they like the overall feeling of tiredness, or are they actually specific to one place and come and go?
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You're still focusing on symptoms despite everything you've been told, specifically that:
1) you weren't at risk for HIV by getting a blowjob
2) neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status if you have had a risk.
The symptoms you are concerned about are something to discuss with a doctor. If your current one can't effectively diagnose and treat them then you should get a second opinion. I am unwilling to get into further discussion of your symptoms. Period.
The bottom line is in the entire history of the epidemic and uncounted trillions of blowjobs later, no one has ever been documented to have become infected in that manner. Not one!
Get your test, collect your negative result and get on with your life. Really.
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You're still focusing on symptoms despite everything you've been told, specifically that:
1) you weren't at risk for HIV by getting a blowjob
2) neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status if you have had a risk.
The symptoms you are concerned about are something to discuss with a doctor. If your current one can't effectively diagnose and treat them then you should get a second opinion.
The bottom line is in the entire history of the epidemic and uncounted trillions of blowjobs later, no one has ever been documented to have become infected in that manner. Not one! I'm not willing to get into further and endless discussion of your symptoms. They have no relevance here.
Get your test, collect your negative result and get on with your life. Really.
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thanks andy. i know and will test, i have to wait fr appt.
in the mean time can someone please answer the questions at the end of my last post?
i will leave this alone until i get my result if i could just get them answered, they are really eating at my mind.
thanks again, and as i said wish me luck and i will talk to u soon.
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No, HIV does not cause urethra discomfort. Now, no more questions until you've received your test results.
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hey rod, not to be a smart ass or anyhting, but u forgot the other one below that. thanks
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No, I didn't. I have other people to deal with, that have had a REAL risk.
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You're still fishing around about symptoms. It's absolutely pointless to discuss them.
You're not listening to what we have told you.
You're going to get tested. Be strong and let go of this stuff until you get tested and collect your negative result.
I'm not willing to indulge you further in symptom questions or conversations. It's all totally irrelevant guesswork.
Get productively busy in your life right now. A much better use of your time and ours.
Period.
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ok, talk to u after i get the results. (hopefully good)
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went to drs and received neg tests for clam, gon, syph, hep a-b-c, etc. I have to wait till tomorrow for the hiv, free testing only administered on tuesdays. they dont do the rapid so ill have to wait 1 week they said. I tried to get it so i could have an answer now.
my exposure was very brief maybe 1-2 min. now here is the whole problem. for a week after i didnt worry once because i was thinking no risk. The only thing that changed my thinking was the ghost symptoms that my dr or no one can link to anything. Majorly being the muscle pains which no one would answer me about, the urethra troubles, and the confirmed node i mentioned.
Im not asking about symptoms but cant we AGREE that i got something here. Its obvious.And if it was anything else why did all my tests come back negative. Im just trying to make sense of this. TWO drs ive seen see nothing wrong, so wouldnt that mean it has to be something that just isnt showing up yet? Do u see where im coming from now? Im just trying to give an understanding of why im scared.
How do researchers know blood doesnt survive in saliva? Is that a test they actually did? Like putblood in and watch what happens. Just wondering because the cdc shouldnt say contact with blood in mouth could be risky if they had a definate answer on this one. Why dont they report anything about saliva etc. Arent they the ones that u guys follow?
As i said we have to atleast agree that i got something here?? What we dont know.
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Im not asking about symptoms but cant we AGREE that i got something here. Its obvious
lil,
No, it isn't obvious that you have anything. We cannot diagnose you over the internet - no one can. Your symptoms could be caused by stress or one of any hundreds of other things. Go see a doctor, only a doctor can tell you what's wrong.
And all WE can tell you is that whatever is or isn't going on, it has nothing to do with hiv infection. You didn't have a risk.
Ann
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Thanks ann, not considering risk do u have opinions on the cdc questions and blood saliva tests to cometo their conclusions?
I just read a post by JK about saliva making blood explode, taht is what im talking about. How is it known that saliva can account for all possible present blood and this is what i was asking about in the above question. Still why doesnt the cdc state any of this and still say risk if blood present?
Dont u guys follow cdc or just their testing window?
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I dont know what you mean by "making blood explode". But you have not had a risk. And your symptoms can be linked to DOZENS of illnesses. You need to start ruling them out which I see you have.
We follow well grounded science as our guidelines. WE understand your fear as we deal with it everyday on here.
You have to wait one more week, so nothing really matters until then anyway. Spend your dime, but I wouldnt have.
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I should have said blood cells, i guess he means ones carrying the virus. I dont know exactly.
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Ok thanks. My exposures were a couple orals only and I feel unlucky enough to be a rare case by getting a hummer. I did a google search for diverticulosis-hiv and all kinds of results came back. Do u think that is just people that ended up getting it that had hiv and that is why it made a report?
You did not have a risk from gettin a blowjob. It's never happened it never will happen. Try to move on.
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thanks AC, I'm going for the test today, and ill have to wait 1 week for answer, so we will see what happens i guess.
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lil,
If you insist on continuing to post and post and post over your no risk incident, I'll have to give you a time out. Consider yourself warned.
Turn off your computer and go see a doctor about your physical symptoms. You could be missing something important through your mis-guided focus on hiv. Whatever is going on has nothing to do with hiv.
Ann
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Thanks Ann, I will consider myself warned.
However, to clear somthing up from the Lessons section, why does it say insertive oral is possible? I know it also says not documented but what makes it possible to this site to state that in there.
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The CDC states it.
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In other words its only stated here because the cdc states it and you follow their recommendations and guidelines?
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To a point, unless there is other scientific data that refutes it.
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I urge you to refrain from using the PM feature to ask me the same questions which have been answered here. You will not get HIV from getting fellated.
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Thank u guys
I better be moving on now.
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I just went for my test at a free state clinic. They did say it was highly unlikely to be infected in this manner. Please listen to what I have to say.
I asked the head nurse running the HIV program which generaion test was used and she had no clue and never heard of such a thing. All she knew is that is was HIV-1 not HIV-2. I found it odd she had no idea.
She explained, they go by what the CDC does, and the blood samples are sent to the CDD lab for testig. She said that is the CDC's lab. Does anyone know what kind of tests the CDC would use?
She also explained that at 3 months the tests they use are 90%, and 99.9% at 6 months.
Then she said Lupus or Exzema could result in a false result. Thats the first I've heard of those two.
Why don't they follow the CDC window period if in fact they're using their lab and I'm sur they're funded by them also?
Not saying anything about my exposure, does anyone have any opinions on these statements?
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lil,
You've repeatedly ignored everything said to you here. You cannot become infected with hiv through getting a blowjob.
I'm giving you a four week time out to encourage you to get the face-to-face help we cannot possibly provide for you.
Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, I will know and you will be permanently banned.
Ann
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Hi everyone. I'll try to keep this short. I know I've been told no risk, and i did test at 8 1/2 weeks (59days). Which was neg as u said. The one swollen gland/lump in my groin remains, the redness and swelling at the opening of the urethra remains, and the muscle aches have disappeared. I also had a problem with tingling feet and hands for approx 3 weeks and i actually saw a neurologist for it and he didnt know a cause.
As i have read here a test at 6 weeks is encouraging so i feel comforted with 59 days. Is it really unlikely for a test to change after that time. And why is it that the acerage is 25 days?
Thanks again guys.
Also i have been tested for all other stds and was negative.
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The average time to seroconversion is 22 days, not 25 days. And why? What's that got to do with anything? It is simply that stats gathered have shown that to be so. As well as that all but the smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure to the HIV virus.
It's no surprise that you tested negative and that you will continue to do so if you decide to re-test at 13 weeks for your own peace of mind.
As for your swollen nodes and other physical symptoms, you need to continue talking with your doctor and get a second opinion if necessary. Just because you haven't found an answer so far does not by default mean HIV is the answer. Because it isn't. This is not an HIV situation. Really.
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Thanks andy. Those questions actually gave me some piece of mind. I understand that a 59 day test is unlikely to change and figuring my situation that settles me some what. Am I correct in saying that?
If it wasnt for the unexplained symptoms that have come about after this episode I can say i prob wouldnt be here. Everything else in the window periods came back neg. Im just lost for answers.
Thanks
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Couple things i forgot to ask.
I think i read this, but is it true in my gland situation that hiv doesnt cause only one to swell? Why is that?
I noticed it on day 8 and it has been there now for over 3 months, it isnt painful and seems to enlarge with any kind of movement or activity, in bed or laying down it seems to go away. Does that sound right to anyone. Maybe there is something else in there and it was mistaken for a gand.
Also any comments on my previous post. THX again guys.
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Keep working with your Dr. nothing you have indicated is indicative of an HIV infection or ARS.
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Thanks AC, so i am right in stating that one gland in particular wouldnt swell anyway?
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Glands, whether singular or multiple, swell for all sorts of reasons. Including from being squeezed, pressed, pressured and otherwise bothered.
A swollen gland is absolutely NOT an HIV specific occurrence. Period.
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Thanks, i think it was Ann that stated that one in particular wouldnt swell if it was hiv related. I understand this is not specific to hiv, im really looking to settle my mind, because if that statement was true then this is def not related because i have only one andit has been there for over 3 monts now.
What are the chances of someone neg a 8 1/2 then pos later? That isnt the immunocompromised right? Are they the ones after 3 months?
Im past 3 months now and did move on since that last test but the thoughts have come back, probably since my wife and i started having sex again i begin to worry about something happening to her.
Gotta go to work, ill check back later, if anyone could respond i would reaaly appreciate it.
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I just read 2 posts by AC and JK and this is starting tomake sense. If the three month window is set to catch straglers and i was neg at 8 1/2 weeks i should be good to go right?
Also iknow i just skipped my last post but i would appreciate any response on that also whenu get time.
THX
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If anyone could comment on my last 2 posts i would really appreciate it and i will be done with my questions.
Sorry for being impatient.
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Please guys, any comment would be helpful regarding the last 2 posts referring to the single gland and the window period (comments made by JK and AC)
Thanks again
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Poz after a negative at 8.5 weeks? Extremely unlikely.
In any case, you're spinning wheels here. We've gone over all of this again and again. This is all about feelings and stuff in your head because you were never at real risk for transmission.
As I told you previously, the average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure to the HIV virus.
In your case a negative is a foregone conclusion.
This is really all about guilt. You were a dawg and you went straying. You can't undo that. You need to come to peace with that and quit indulging in this dervish of guilt and fear. Really. As for your swollen lymph node, keep your hands off of it and talk to your doctor.
This is NOT an HIV situation.
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Thanks andy i appreciate it. Maybe i need a second opinion on that node because my doc now cant seem to figure it out. I know u say it isnt related to this and i think a second opinion would help that to sink in.
Thanks again.
P.S. Do u ever see the window period going to six weeks or is that something that would require more advanced tests????
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Yes, I do think the window period will eventually be changed to 6 weeks. In Massachusetts it IS 6 weeks now. I think it will depend in large part on when the most current generation of test is universally used.
As we know, it often requires a second doctor or more to effectively diagnose a problem. Simply because something is unexplained doesn't by default make HIV the culprit. Even when your mind mistakenly and anxiously tells you so.
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I know this is useless info now but just curious. I had my test done in PA and they said it gets sent to the CDD Lab (cddmedical.com) in Texas. They didnt know what test they used when i asked. I even asked what generation and the head nurse at the clinic had never heard of such a thing. Has anyone ever heard of this lab or what kind of tests they might use?
You guys seem to be knowledgable all around as far as this stuff goes, maybe someone has heard of this place, and might know which test they use. And which one is it that Mass. now uses? Thanks once more.
By the way, where has Ann been? Is there somewhere i can read why hiv doesnt affect only a single gland as Ann has stated in another post? Or if its a quick answer and someone knows rather than me researching it that would be great.
I know u guys heard this before but this should wrap up my questions all together now. Thanks
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Any comments anybody, on my last post? Honestly these are my final questions. I am going on Andys advice and moving on but this info would help if anyone had answers. I will be gone if I get these answers I PROMISE.
Andy, Rapid, JK, please dont take these as worry questions, I'm just looking for the understanding and knowledge.
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Andy or any experts,
Any response on reply no. 67 frommy post?
I wont nag or bother u guys any more.
Thanks
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lil,
Hiv is an infection of the immune system of the WHOLE body so if it causes lymph glands to swell, it tends to make many of the swell, not just a single isolated one.
You seem to be forgetting that you never had a risk to begin with. Not one person has EVER become infected through getting a blowjob and you will NOT be the first. Your 8.5 week negative result means you ARE hiv negative. You do NOT need further testing.
It's time you moved on with your life. Remember to use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will remain hiv negative.
Ann
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Ann, first of all its good to see you back. Hope everything is well.
Thank you for clearing those questions up. Did you have any info on the lab I used or what gen test it is that they may use? Have you ever heard of them?
Thanks again, and I am moving on, just curious if that lab is up to date as you guys are with the testing, etc.
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lil,
It doesn't matter about the generation or lab. You are hiv negative. You didn't have a risk in the first place.
If you cannot let this go, please get yourself into counseling where you can learn how to get over your blowjob. We cannot do that for you here.
You are dangerously close to a time out. If you've bothered to read the Welcome thread, you will know about our time out policy:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
You are reliably hiv negative after a no risk event. It's time you got on with your life, no ands, ifs or buts about it.
Ann
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Thanks Ann, the only reason I was asking was for information, and so I know for future use if necessary. I just figured you guys or someone maybe heard of the place. Sorry if you took it as being related to my situation.
Thanks anyway, have a good day.
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Ann, I know now I had a (theoretical) no risk, however I am still interested in info on this lab and their tests. I did some research myself and didnt find anything other than what is on their main page. If you know of another route of looking into this that I can try I would appreciate it.
This is kind of in reference to a response from Andy earlier, as far as the Mass. window, if it is the same test then if needed in the future I know it will be the same as that I guess.
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lil,
Gee, why don't you click on the "contact us" link on their website and contact them? They look like a pretty credible outfit to me.
As far as your obsession with the minutiae of testing information, if you use condoms for intercourse you won't have to worry about any of it. Just make sure you have your regular, routine sexual health care check up at least once a year. No window periods, no worries about generations or whatever.
You are using the excuse of "for future reference" to be allowed to continue posting here about your no risk event. I'm not falling for it. I'm giving you that time out I've promised you. Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, I will know and you will be permanently banned. Got it?
Ann