Author Topic: Sex experience with a sex worker days ago! (Read 32669 times)

bamboo · « **on:** January 16, 2007, 10:04:20 pm »

i had handjobs and rimming with a status unknown gay 2 weeks ago. just exactly after 7 days, i got a very bad ' flu' like symptoms, inlcuding sore throat on day 8 , same day evening got high fever with much sweat, no body pian no rash i guess. day 11, fever gone , day 12, sore throat gone, back to healthy again.

i went to health center for some tests, they use cotton stick get some samle from my thorat, after 2 days, they told me was negative, they did not find anything , hiv test , blood was drawn on day 14 , after a day, was negative .

i have no idea why i got this kinda serious ' flu'. and doctor could not find anything yet. they just inform me get another test after 10 weeks.

i know handjob is low risk for hiv, but, i think his semen was on my dickhead.

please give me your advice.

RapidRod · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2007, 10:15:51 pm »

Your risk was not LOW it was a NO risk situation. You didn't require testing at all.

bamboo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2007, 02:24:30 am »

Thanks for your reply.

What if i have some invisble cuts on my dick, cos i am uncut, very sensitive skin always. again, my health is not so well sometimes, i have Allergic for many things, and does it mean i may much easier get hiv compare to other healthy people?

RapidRod · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2007, 05:03:34 am »

You didn't have a risk even if you would have had visible cuts on your penis.

Coffeechick88 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2007, 05:30:26 am »

Handjobs and rimming has no risk from an HIV standpoint. However, with rimming without a barrier, there is always the possibility of getting something that can be transmitted from the fecal-oral route---for example, hepatitis A, intestinal parasites, herpes, and other infections.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2007, 09:45:32 am »

It's unhealthy to get into "what ifs" about some details you regard as special in relation to a hand job and rimming. Neither of those activities would put you at risk for HIV transmission. Neither one of those very common activities has ever resulted in a confirmed case of HIV transmission and it's safe to say you won't make history by becoming the first.

However, as Coffee has pointed out, rimming does have the potential for many other problems such as intestinal parasites. If you're still having symptoms that's something to discuss with your doctor. In general we recommend that anyone who's sexually active to regularly get a full STD panel done, which means at least annually and every six months is even better.

Nothing you have reported leads to me expect you will get anything other than a negative HIV result when you re-test at 10 weeks. In relation to these activities I wouldn't have even considered testing to be necessary.

bamboo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:08:36 am »

really thanks for your messages, he cheat me again and again .

i called him, he said he had done a HIV test in December , so , he was 100% sure that he is clean. But, today, he told me that he had unprotected sex just 3 weeks before the test, therefore, i can understand what stoty is now.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:13:25 am »

While I appreciate your concerns about your health, I must tell you that using a term like "clean" is considered very rude here. Someone is either HIV negative or positive, but they aren't clean or dirty. So don't use a term like "clean" when discussing HIV status.

As far as your worry about this incident, whether the other fellow is HIV negative or positive is irrelevant. None of the activities put you at risk for HIV transmission so even if he is HIV+ you still weren't at risk.

Have you read the lesson on Transmission on this site? It gives you all the basics about the subject. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section.

bamboo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:21:15 am »

another question, he was kissing my skin, actually there were some fresh cuts on skin, his saliva was on my cuts. does it make me infected?

bamboo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:25:11 am »

sorry, clean is not the word i wanna use, sorry about my English, i am in the Europe, and always scared to die. i am a weak man.

please forgive me, i just need more support from you guys, i trust you so i came here.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:39:42 am »

Kissing is absolutely not in any way a risk for transmission including via his saliva.

You are worrying needlessly no matter what else your mind comes up with.

bamboo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2007, 12:15:08 pm »

Andy, you are right.

i have searched for Saliva, handjob, rimming in many websites. they showed HIV would not transmitted by those ways, just not that easy.

Saliva does not conatain enough virus to infect a health person, but, if saliva also contains blood or some other fluid, that may infect people. for instance, HIV person has bleeding gum problem. or sore in his/her mouth.

hmmm... handjob is same for sure i can say , i believe it now.

Thanks for your comments. really helpful information , i think all young people need to HIV before they start any sexual contact.

if i did not have that kinda ' ARS' symptoms, i would never connected it with HIV, best to learn from it before i am a real +.

bamboo · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2007, 01:20:16 pm »

Hi, all Experts.
i think i need your advice if you can offer.

Since i read so many HIV positive stories like how the people noticed they were sick during ARS, i am so scared to think it over, because i had similar situation like them.

Flu like symptoms , my doctor could not give me any hints regarding my illness, just said" sorry, we dont know what happned to you, it is no a flu season, we have no idea ....". i told my gay stories to them, they also suggested me have more test about HIV, i think they just did Elisa , so, i got my Negative result back after 2 weeks mark.

waiting for result is not a easy thing, his result will be told next tuesday, if he is +, my HIV stauts will be greater, if he is --, i will fine without any question.

i think he is also afraid of HIV, he did the test in redcross , not at his University health care unit.

I will update my news shortly, just wanna confirm that all things i have done were low risk or No risk at all.

If i am infected, i will be the most poor guy on earth, cos i might be the first case according to HANDJOB, SALIVA, RIMMING......

Let's go and see.

all experts, please show your comments.

Many thanks for your time.

RapidRod · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2007, 01:36:38 pm »

Give it a break. You didn't have a risk period. End of Story.

bamboo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2007, 01:02:07 am »

hello,Rapid

i have some questions to ask, i read others post, they were wasking does saliva have ability to make people get HIV. I was confused it by this topic cos some other information in different websites.

you said once HIV blood out of human body, they could not anything. But, why there were some cases reported about dentist accidents?

some offical HIV websites showed sharing tools has risk for HIV, such as toy.....

IF HIV vrius is very weak out of human body, that means we dont need any degem in health care, we can use any needles as we wish???

RapidRod · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2007, 02:50:49 am »

In 1990, the CDC reported on an HIV-infected dentist in Florida who apparently infected some of his patients while doing dental work. Studies of viral DNA sequences linked the dentist to six of his patients who were also HIV-infected. The CDC has not yet been able to establish how the transmission took place. No additional studies have found any evidence of transmission from provider to patient in health care settings.

CDC has documented rare cases of patients contracting HIV in health care settings from infected donor tissue. Most of these cases occurred due to failures in following universal precautions and infection control guidelines. Most also occurred early in the HIV epidemic, before established screening procedures were in place

bamboo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2007, 03:14:51 am »

yes, thanks.

but, i was ask Saliva.
Saliva does contain small amount of HIV virus, my risk was that his mustache made my skin broken , then licked my wounds. Am i in risk?

i think you are an expert, so please give me some clue about why i have ARS symptoms.

Even Doctor could not tell me any reason.

ARS starts after 7 days is very common?
recovered within 5 days is very common?

If HIV virus is that kinda weak, why so many people got it every year, and never stoped.

Of course i wanna stay well and stay safe. But, since i got that symptom and experience those sex contacts, i could not sit here without any thoughts.

i am worring so i am here.

cubbybear · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2007, 03:23:50 am »

Saliva also contains enzymes, amylase and other chemicals that inactivate HIV. Saliva is not infectious.

Like Rod has said you were not at risk of HIV. You honestly need to move on from this, because you will get the same answer from all of us.

You were not at risk, believe it or not. To save your sanity, wait until 3 months has passed from your date of "exposure", and test reliably for your NEGATIVE result. Please move on from this, you do not have HIV from what situation you described.

bamboo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2007, 03:52:00 am »

God, i called AIDS helpline just now.

the lady told me that if partner's semen on my dick, that is possible for me to get HIV, also partner's saliva conatains virus can make me infected thruogh a small fresh cut.

i dont think AIDS helpline made a lie, i trust them.

The lady suggested me have a test after 2 months at least for a reliable result. PRC was not used in my case due to so expensive. i can say previous negative result was not ok in this case.

RapidRod · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2007, 03:58:00 am »

Knock it off. You were never at risk and getting saliva or semen on your penis has never been a risk. You have been given the facts, if that is not what you want to hear, get a test, collect your negative result and move on.

411 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2007, 03:58:42 am »

bamboo
There was no risk in any of those activities you described. However I can say there is risk to your sanity if you can't move on with this understanding. Without question, you will worry excessively, allow your fears to consume all of your waking hours surfing the internet and become a miserable wreck of a person thinking about all the "what ifs".

Testing for this is not the answer, learning to understand that certain activities, such as yours, are completely safe and that other activities have various levels of risk, would be far more productive; start with the lessons on this site.

You weren't exposed regardless of the shopping list of symptoms you took to your doctor. Your thoughts are your worst enemy here. If you had a risk you would have been told, simple as that.

Your hotline lady has heard your type of story day in and day out, after awhile they get the feeling they are talking to a brick walls so they tell you that if they think you've had a risk get a test. Why try to talk reason to someone who's mind is on the bullet train to nowhere when they can be easily rid of you by telling you to test.
Give it a rest.

bamboo · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:01:10 am »

Rod

please give me some advice.

he is Postitive.

ok, my hiv + possbility getting greater since i knew he is positive. and he is not taking any med and just infcted not very long time, i guess his loda is very high.

1. Does it mean i may get this virus much easier than others( my immune system is weak, i always get sick )?

2. i know symptoms means nothing , but, actually many HIV + people had this kinda experience at first weeks, i would not say means nothing.

3. my doctor does not know what happend to my ' flu' period, and she said now it is not a flu season, from all normal lab test , she would not say i got a flu. So, if doctor does not know the story based on normal test, what would be?

4. some doctor say Saliva is no risk at all , some say yes, it is risk for open wounds and sores. should i believe it or not?

5. ARS starts at day 7, very common or rare?

Thanks for your help always.

RapidRod · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:12:44 am »

You didn't have a risk, you are not experiencing ARS. ARS happens 2-4 weeks after infections. You would better be helped by speaking to a person at your mental health facility.

bamboo · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:22:29 am »

sorry about my English,

starts 2- 4 weeks after infection? means day 14-28?

my friend, who is Positive, got infected last year, his ARS was very serious and send to hosipital for 2 weeks treatment, he told me his ars starts on day 8.

RapidRod · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:24:58 am »

What happened to him has no bearing on you. You didn't have a risk. End of Story.

bamboo · « **Reply #25 on:** January 18, 2007, 09:35:28 am »

i am 26, and studying at uni, there're only around 100 hiv new cases have been reported eveyyear in Finland. i know my risk is low here, my health care nurse did suggested me have more tests , she is professional i think, if she thought i was not in risk at all, she would not ask me do any HIV test including hepat ABC and syphilis.

RapidRod · « **Reply #26 on:** January 18, 2007, 10:02:39 am »

bamboo, you are in a mind set and there is nothing further that we can do for you on this forum. Go test, get your negative result and be done with it.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2007, 11:00:11 am »

You have absolutely no basis for needing any HIV tests. Feelings and fears about HIV are not facts.

You can choose to worry all you want to about HIV, but there's no basis in HIV science for your concern.

As Rod has indicated, we've done what we can for you here. If you can't let go of this unwarranted concern, then maybe it's time to talk with a counselor or other mental health specialist to find out why you can't let go of this needless concern.

This is not an HIV situation. PERIOD.

bamboo · « **Reply #28 on:** January 19, 2007, 02:36:54 am »

Hello, guys.

i could not help my self wirtting another message here.

i am at a small town, no special HIV or mental health care here, i can only call my parents for some comfort everyday, they gave me quite a lot support.

I called AIDS help line , they said i was in risk, but not a big risk . still wanna me have another test in 10 weeks. i could not wait for that long time. sshcool works made me crazy , i only eat two light meals every day . the only thing i wanna do is sleeping , over 12 hours, just kills time.

cubbybear · « **Reply #29 on:** January 19, 2007, 02:51:15 am »

Just go and get yourself tested conclusively and reliably at the 3 month post incident mark. You obviously do not want to listen to any of us when we say that you were not at risk, so go and get your test done and collect your negative result, maybe you will believe that?

If you are having trouble with anxiety please talk to your doctor or other health care professional about it.

bamboo · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2007, 09:46:02 am »

Hi, RapidRod.

IF you dont mind, can u tell me your experience or other people's experience.

i am wondering if HIV is so weak to transimitted , why so many positive cases have been reported every year among gay group. since most of gay people knew unprotected anal is very risky, they have already use all protection as much as they can. in another word, HIV in gay group should be decrease rapidly.

as alll experts said here, handjobs and rimming are no risk at all, i think handjobs are very common for gay people, if totally safe, how come some of them getting HIV ...

Thanks .

RapidRod · « **Reply #31 on:** January 19, 2007, 09:54:12 am »

Unprotected anal sex and IV drug use.

bamboo · « **Reply #32 on:** January 19, 2007, 10:09:06 am »

many thanks for your message.

just read some posts in ' i just tested poz' , quite many people dont even know when they infected and who made them . however, ARS stage , they can remember that they had Sore Throat and Fever.

yes, i wanna know, My sore throat is kinda lump in my throat, hard to eat any food. i would say that was my first time to experience it.

could you tell me if fever and sore throat without any inflammation or virus been found in lab test, is it possible ARS?

RapidRod · « **Reply #33 on:** January 19, 2007, 10:23:09 am »

You have to be infected to have ARS. If you have ARS, you get a gambit of illnesses all at one that last from 1-2 weeks and they all leave all at once.

bamboo · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2007, 10:34:02 am »

yes, it was 5 days long, from monday to Friday evening.

my msn is bamboo-salt@hotmail.com

i think u are a nice guy, could you please add me ?

wanna hear other' voice.

Living in this small town, i am almost mad.

bamboo · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2007, 12:35:24 pm »

Rapidrod,

i think i still need to talk to u here.

i know that it is not good to repeat my thought again and again here, you and other experts had experinced the ARS and read so many about this topic, please dont be angry, i just feel so uncomfortable since i was sick for 5 days on bed.

if i and my doctor know what cause my fever and sore throat , i will not stay here for that long time, i know nothing about my illness, all lab tests were negative, i am in a small town , the health care center does not really know anything about ARS, they just told me that if u feel ok, then u are ok.

what i can do

Andy Velez · « **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2007, 01:23:04 pm »

What you can do is get actively busy in a positive way in your life, whether it's in relation to school or other.

Don't waste any energy on telling us you cannot do that because you're so worried about HIV. That isn't going to fly here.

Right now you are on the verge of having become addicted to worry and drama. That is definitely bad for your health. When you find yourself beginning to obsess again about yet another HIV detail that pops into your mind, notice it, take a breath and let it go. Different sorts of other things, feelings and ideas will come up then if you're open to that happening.

We can't magically wave a wand and make you feel differently or better. You have to do some work about it. And if you can't manage that then get some counseling in school.

Feelings aren't facts and you have no basis for concern about HIV. No matter what your mind may say to the contrary. Really.

bamboo · « **Reply #37 on:** January 19, 2007, 01:31:02 pm »

Thanks , Andy.

every time i read the reply, i feel much better indeed.

I called him several times these days, he did not wanna talk to me anymore, he knows i might be infected by him, just ignore me.

i did not make any drama here, all i said are truth, if i get a positive result on week 6 ? what u guys will say?

bamboo · « **Reply #38 on:** January 19, 2007, 01:41:59 pm »

again, my flu like symptoms were gone without any meds.

During that sick period, i was drinking water only, no food. However, no matter how much water i took, my throat still has kinda lump inisde, lasted 5 days . fever was high, cos i had very much sweat during the sleep.

if i did not have sex contact at that time, if my ARS symptom did not start exactly after 7 days when i had contact, if my doctor could give me a resaonable asnwer about my illness, if dont knwo anything about ARS and HIV?

ACinKC · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2007, 02:35:51 pm »

Quote from: bamboo on January 19, 2007, 01:31:02 pm

Thanks , Andy.

every time i read the reply, i feel much better indeed.

I called him several times these days, he did not wanna talk to me anymore, he knows i might be infected by him, just ignore me.

i did not make any drama here, all i said are truth, if i get a positive result on week 6 ? what u guys will say?

If it is specifically related to this incident and you are positive, I will print this thread out and eat it. Then I will tell you to call the Guiness Book people.

You need help my friend. You do not, have not are not going through ARS or have HIV. You really need to seek help other than here, we cannot help you with your fears and anxiety. Test a thousand times and you will test negative over this. As for your "symptoms", they sound like a common cold or flu which just because it isnt "flu season" doesnt mean you cant get them.

bamboo · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2007, 03:51:16 pm »

No, u dont need to eat that sheet.

before any test, i just wanna know what made me sick(fever and sore throat with lump), i guess all positive people who experienced ARS , their doctors could not give any positive answer by the symptoms, cos so strange, no virus, no bacteria, nothing been found.

If any one can give me a clue, i will give up for sure.

RapidRod · « **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2007, 03:56:00 pm »

Go to your family doctor to see about your symptoms, you didn't have a risk of contracting HIV. This is not an HIV concern.

bamboo · « **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2007, 04:03:35 pm »

From theBody

Safe activities have no risk for spreading HIV. Abstinence (never having sex) is totally safe. Sex with just one partner is safe as long as neither one of you is infected and if neither one of you ever has sex or shares needles (see Fact Sheet 154) with anyone else.
Fantasy, masturbation or hand jobs (where you keep your fluids to yourself), sexy talk, and non-sexual massage are also safe. These activities avoid contact with blood or sexual fluids, so there is no risk of transmitting HIV.

RapidRod · « **Reply #43 on:** January 19, 2007, 04:13:19 pm »

bamboo, we can't make you believe. Go test get your negative result and move on.

ACinKC · « **Reply #44 on:** January 19, 2007, 04:18:53 pm »

Quote from: bamboo on January 19, 2007, 03:51:16 pm

No, u dont need to eat that sheet.

before any test, i just wanna know what made me sick(fever and sore throat with lump), i guess all positive people who experienced ARS , their doctors could not give any positive answer by the symptoms, cos so strange, no virus, no bacteria, nothing been found.

If any one can give me a clue, i will give up for sure.

It's a cold. Now give up. They do NOT run tests for the common cold so there is no way to rule this out. they also do not commonly run tests for the flu as they are very expensive and wouldnt get the results back til you got over the flu! So they cannot rule this out either!

There are 2 clues for you. You promised you'd give up now.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #45 on:** January 19, 2007, 05:34:18 pm »

Bamboo, it's not our job to convince you of anything. We've simply told you what we think based on the information you gave us about the situation.

We're not here to diagnose your symptoms.

Now you're just getting your jollies and yanking our chain a bit. We're not going to tell you anything more or different than we have.

Consider yourself warned that if you come back with more of the same you're risking getting timed out.

'nuf said.

bamboo · « **Reply #46 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:03:09 pm »

sorry, me again, i am not going to write any bullshit here.

some questions basiclly about HIV test.

1. after ARS, i mean if a person could feel ARS, how long virus would be find in his/her blood by Elisa. ( very short period, or still need to take 4 -6 weeks)

2. someone got ARS at week2 and someone got it at week4, their antibody can be conducted at the same time or silmiar time or week2 first , week3 later.

Thanks .

I need to learn more .

ACinKC · « **Reply #47 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:16:18 pm »

Week 6 is a good indicator no matter when or IF ARS symptoms are present. Retest at 13 weeks for your conclusive negative. No matter HOW you spin this youre neg. And by the way... you promised to give up.

bamboo · « **Reply #48 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:36:00 pm »

Thanks for you message.

yes, give up after got the clue of my illness.

just could not stop thinking about HIV, have already tried call some hotlines seeking support from them, but, they just listen , could not do anything else.

i found a HIV support in my town, only open 2 hours on every tuesday organized by redcross.

how about this weekend?

i could not talk to my classmates with this issue, only some gay friends, please understand me. i think most of people when they were in fear of HIV, they just could not any positive things, otherwise, nobody comes to this iforum.

your forum is offering best information to stressful people, thanks to this forum , helping us learn more and keep in touch with each other.

please dont kick me out, i am just so weak and will go to redcross next tuesday.

RapidRod · « **Reply #49 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:39:48 pm »

HIV Support groups are not for people that think they have contracted HIV. It for people that have HIV. Don't insult them by going there.

ACinKC · « **Reply #50 on:** January 20, 2007, 02:23:54 pm »

Ditto to what Rod said. EMPHATIC DITTO!

bamboo · « **Reply #51 on:** January 23, 2007, 09:59:12 am »

who is kekelow?

ACinKC · « **Reply #52 on:** January 23, 2007, 10:28:37 am »

Amazingly if you google his name, he comes up as a worry wort just like you.

bamboo · « **Reply #53 on:** January 23, 2007, 10:34:22 am »

thanks, i found him in this forum, quite strange psot.

i went to another HIV support forum for addtional help, however, there was one guy name --KEKELOW, he tends to be very professional and post many medical terms online, i thought he is a doctor, since read this post in this forum, i got a idea that not all experts online are realy experts, sometimes fake guys always around us.

RapidRod · « **Reply #54 on:** January 23, 2007, 11:07:50 am »

Now do you thinik this person is a professional? Really. I know what website you are talking about. I would listen to those over there and take their information with a grain of salt.

About KEKELOW:
http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=6387.msg86653#msg86653

Now does that sound like someone that should be giving out any information?

bamboo · « **Reply #55 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:49:01 pm »

Thank you RapidROd.

i feel much better now, the guy who had sex contact with me, he got a Negative result today, and called me for the details.

well, I think i must trust him now, nobody would make a joke about HIV.

Once again, really thanks for your help, like Andy, Rapidrod, Ac..., 411, and others.

but, not ' fake experts' . i mean i hope people only give the information online that they really understood and studied HIV/AIDS.

Copy and paste are not helpful, we can read it online, we need real experts here for intensive care about HIV issues.

i have backed to my normal school life already, i will still keep my eye on this website, wish all guys are negative.

THANKS.

BAMBOO

bamboo · « **Reply #56 on:** January 27, 2007, 01:57:38 pm »

Strange symptom again.

today is 27th day after infection , i got fever again, this time , i think my fever is under control, cos i had took jugs of hot water.

i am afraid i might have rash later.

bamboo · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:43:42 pm »

i went to the local redcross center for hiv test today, the nurse refused me, said test at 6 weeks mark is early, let me back to test at 12 weeks mark.

i said , american websites state 6 weeks is enough for antibody for most of people. she does not wanna take it.

i told her my all behaviour, she thought mini risk i have had.

RapidRod · « **Reply #58 on:** February 13, 2007, 02:02:48 pm »

Be glad she told you in a nice way.

bamboo · « **Reply #59 on:** February 13, 2007, 02:07:37 pm »

hello, RapidRod,

u mean she thinks i am Negative, so refused to draw my blood?

or 6 weeks is too early for my case?

RapidRod · « **Reply #60 on:** February 13, 2007, 02:31:57 pm »

You went for a free test and she was not going to waste a test on you testing at less than 3 months knowing you woulld be back.

bamboo · « **Reply #61 on:** February 18, 2007, 11:12:28 pm »

hi, Rapidrod.

sorry for bother u again .

from your knowledge, will you think ARS occur between day 7 and day 28? or between day 14 and 28 after infected?

bamboo · « **Reply #62 on:** February 18, 2007, 11:16:07 pm »

1. if someone currently experiences ARS, at the same time the antibody will show up and ELISA test can detect it in lab ? or must wait for a few days --weeks for enough antibody to be detected after ARS?

2. A healthy perosn after infected, he or she can have antibody much sooner than an unhealthy peron? i guess antibody means something protect your body from Virus, so healthy guys 's window period would be shorter ?

3. standard window period is 23 days , the info given on website. does it mean the time for ARS to occur or ARS already gone?

RapidRod · « **Reply #63 on:** February 18, 2007, 11:32:51 pm »

Why are you playing us and medhelp?

1. No, you have to give the body time to build up antibodies for the test to detect them
2. All person will show antibodies at different times. People that are on anti-rejection drugs, chemo, immune suppressed or IV drug users may take longer to produce enough antibodies to be detected.
3. Antibodies will start to develope 4-6 weeks after infection. To get a concluse test, test at 13 weeks.

bamboo · « **Reply #64 on:** February 19, 2007, 02:12:55 pm »

ANN.

i really like this website , you and other guys are very helpful indeed, such as Andy, rapidrod....

you always reply the message as soon as possible to comfort our anxious.

i read a message on medhelp today, there is gay boy said he performed a oral and protected anal with another man, after 8 days, he got rash and sore thorat something like great lump in his throat. i had same feeling throat when i was on day 8. i am in big stressful, that i could not do anyting .

call me pussy, i know i am very weak about all the mental issues.

the risk i had might be considered low risk, luckly, i got my partner ' test paper showed Negative on 18th Jan. but, the nurse told me this papper only can say he was negative before Oct.2006. i know during the window period, the transimission possiblity is very high.

the nurse did not tell me anything about sore throat symptom, i guess she only done the lab test with HIV + /- people, no actually experience on symptoms(ARS).

i need your comments. many thanks for your time.

bamboo · « **Reply #65 on:** February 19, 2007, 02:24:44 pm »

hi, Rapidrod.

when i see the post like other 's anxious about HIV, i always tell them they are ok, no risk, cos they had protected. or tested negative.

but, in my case, i could not think like this way, sometimes i hate internet, drives me crazy.

RapidRod · « **Reply #66 on:** February 19, 2007, 02:29:35 pm »

This is it. You never had a risk period. No further discussions here.

Ann · « **Reply #67 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:03:54 pm »

Bamboo,

If you hate the internet, then turn off you computer and go do something else.

You do not have hiv. You didn't have a risk. Stop PMing people to beg them to answer you again because the answers are not going to change.

If your body is bothering you, go see a doctor. There is nothing more we can do for you here.

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned.

Ann

bamboo · « **Reply #68 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:54:40 pm »

hi, everyone, now i am not going to talk about anything like my Risk, mini risk to no risk i had.
i would like to ask some questions regarding test and ARS.
i asked Dr.HHH today ( i think you know ) in medhelp, he pointed out
1. if someone experience ARS, the antibody test can detect the antibody during illness? or must wait for another weeks?
Yes, symptoms can start before the antibody test becomes positive. But in most cases it is positive, and your negative test in January was somewhat reassuring.
2. ARS timing? occuring on first week or at least 2 weeks later?
ARS symptoms typically begin 1-2 weeks after exposure
3. i am going to have a test today, 52 days. do you think would be reliable?
The test result at 7+ weeks (52 days) will be completely reliable, whether negative or positive. (I'm betting on negative!)
what do you think?

ACinKC · « **Reply #69 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:29:18 pm »

Sounds good to me.

RapidRod · « **Reply #70 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:15:07 pm »

Bamboo, your time is getting very limited here. Here is exactly what Dr. H told you today.
This is exactly what he said to you Bamboo now isn't it?
2/20/2006
Re-read my original reply. What don't you get about "You had a no-risk event", "Your symptoms are similar to those of HIV, but also to a large number of other viruses or other illnesses with identical symptoms" (all of which are much more common than HIV), and "You can expect a negative HIV test result"

Do you really think that after 25 years of the AIDS epidemic worldwide, you're going to be the first person to acquire HIV this way?

Waiting for results may not be "nice", but what can I do about that? You are badly overreacting. Mellow out.

HHH, MD

I do believe you are done here on the AidsMeds forums.

ACinKC · « **Reply #71 on:** February 20, 2007, 03:25:34 pm »

Thanks Rod.

Bamboo, you need to stop with this and seek the help of a mental health professional.

liquidpaper · « **Reply #72 on:** February 20, 2007, 05:43:21 pm »

Hi, Bamboo...

I'm writing because I'm new in this forum and I've already seen you in the other at the body ... in which everybody, including myself once (http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/bbs/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=infected&Number=222100&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&vc=1), told you the same this people are telling you here...

You're seeing something as 'urgent' and forgetting about 'important'... and I think it's important to think why you're feeling this as: 'urgent'.

The kind of help you need exceeds all the help that can be found at any board. Even if your worries were based on being misinformed (does that word exist or am i just making it up? my english is... well, you'd probably already notice) all what's being told to you does not seem to change your situation... actually, the more info you get, the more you get it distorted... and that's because hiv is not you problem... 'being worried' about it it's just the manifest way of other conflicts... you should really focus on them.

I'm just going to say this one... you have not really listened to ANY (why would it be different with my opinion?), but you apperception of everything hiv-related make them look as a torture and you keep applying it religiously to your own self... yes, that's really healthy (--> irony).

As i can get form the name of your post "no anal, no oral (...)" you understand the word "NO"... then, why not applying it when you're told "NO RISK"?

--> SEEK SOME KIND OF PROFESSIONAL THAT WORKS ON MENTAL HEALTH <--

You know what, bamboo? At some point, everybody at these boards (who have already been patient and didactic) will get tired of trying to make you understand something that you may not be in condition of understanding right now (that's why you shold get mental health pro's help, to try to change what's making it sooo rigid)...

... and it's not us who are self-torturing... it is you.

ACinKC · « **Reply #73 on:** February 20, 2007, 05:51:58 pm »

Edited because I thought liquid was a worried well, and she's not. I'll let others give her guidance as they did me.

bamboo · « **Reply #74 on:** February 20, 2007, 06:09:18 pm »

Thank you Liquidpaper.
i guess i have mental health problem. when i studied in the UK as an exchange student in 2004 i was sick as hell, weight loss, night fever..i thought i have AIDS, then i went to uni HIV clinic for the test, i even crying when i talking with the nurse, once she noticed i had condom used everytime, she said my risk is close to ZERO,of course negative result at that time. from that time, i promised myself to be a straight man, however i am 100% gay. last month, i told my dad i was sick with HIV risk and sexual orientation , he was very upset. I do know i need care from people, and sharing my emotional stories with others. i have no friends, actually on one would like to listen to my stories again and again, in fact most of people are very sensitive on this topic. Today in the test center, the nurse gave me a hug and said be strong, she is nearly 60 guess, just like my Mom.
i think almost everyone would be very anxious if he/she thinks HIV might his/her problem.
again, Thanks for the help from ANN, Acinkc,Rapidrod....you reply every post in time and comfort the people with all you can.

please do not block me, i really feel no where i can go till next Tuesday.

Ann · « **Reply #75 on:** February 20, 2007, 06:19:01 pm »

Bamboo,

You don't even listen to a warning.

I'm giving you a four week time out. Use this time to seek out the face-to-face help we cannot possibly give you.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, I will know and you will be permanently banned, no questions asked.

Ann

newbamboo · « **Reply #76 on:** February 27, 2007, 01:28:49 pm »

hello, everyone, i am bamboo, please allow me come back again.

i have got my result this evening, IT IS Negative.

Thanks for all your support, now, i understand protected SEX is very important, and handjobs , kissing, rimming, are Risk free.

Anyway, i will still come here to learn more SEX protection studies, i hope everyone can learn from your experience , and use protection as ANN said miillions times here.

Best wishes to ANN, RapidROd, Andy, and AC....., you guys are wonderful.

Bamboo

newbamboo · « **Reply #77 on:** February 27, 2007, 01:30:10 pm »

oh, i forgot to ask, 7 weeks + is very GOOD for most of cases if the test was Antibody +Antigin?

ACinKC · « **Reply #78 on:** February 27, 2007, 01:36:07 pm »

Bamboo. You violated the Time out ann gave to you. You need to move on and I think she will help you.

Ann · « **Reply #79 on:** February 27, 2007, 07:49:58 pm »

Bamboo,

I've merged your threads.

When I gave you your time out, I told you if you created a new account to get around your time out, you would be permanently banned, no questions asked.

Bye!

Ann

bamboo · « **Reply #80 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:44:13 am »

hi, everyone.
it is me again, i had post a info last Jan. thanks for Teak and other friends here.

i have made a stupid mistake this afternoon.

i slept with a boy, with unknown hiv status, he has very serious skin problem, tineamanuum and tineacruris. he performed a handjob to me and at the same time he also touched his pre-cum.

his pre-cum spilt on my body.

we had docking as well.

possible to get HIV?

do i need a Hiv Test?

Thanks !

Andy Velez · « **Reply #81 on:** January 01, 2009, 08:42:09 am »

Bamboo, you've been coming around here long enough to know the rules. Don't start new threads. I've merged your latest one with your newest concern. You've also been coming here enough by now to know that the only real risk sexually for HIV is unprotected intercourse -- vaginal or anal.

Docking, mutual masturbation, rubbing, getting semen or precum on each other's bodies are absolutely NOT risks for HIV transmission. Period.

There is no need for testing over this latest incident. Maybe it's time you re-read our lesson on Transmission. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section. Keep the condoms handy for intercourse and use one everytime if you have intercourse and you'll be well protected as far as HIV is concerned.

bamboo · « **Reply #82 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:22:07 am »

hi, experts.

Please forgive me , i just wanna ask some questions regarding HIV Prevention.

1. as we know, quite many people understand the prevention rules , why so many new hiv poz people every year including those well educated people who are from Developed countires?

2. do you know any one got hiv besides unprotected intercourse/ blood accident?

Many thanks for your time.

Bamboo

RapidRod · « **Reply #83 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:53:36 am »

You are working on time out number two.

Ann · « **Reply #84 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:59:23 am »

Bamboo,

You were banned from this website in February 2007. I don't know how it happened, but your ban expired somehow. I can't think of one good reason why I shouldn't reinstate the ban.

But seeing as we're just barely out of the holiday season, I'm feeling generous and I'll answer your questions. Be warned, if you keep coming back with no risk stuff, you'll find yourself banned once again - and I'll make CERTAIN it's permanent this time.

People continue to become infected because we're only human. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's all too easy to not bother with a condom. It's called LIFE. Life is seldom black and white.

Sometimes people are born with hiv - when their mother either didn't know she was hiv positive or for some reason could not or would not access the meds that would have kept the baby hiv negative.

And sometimes people who share street-drug injecting equipment become infected.

Other than that, the only people I know of who are hiv positive got that way through unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Me included.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really, really is that simple.

Ann

bamboo · « **Reply #85 on:** February 20, 2010, 12:03:07 am »

Hello, Dear experts.

I am not feeling well recent days due to i had kinda sex experience with a male sex worker.We had:

1. Frottage with some body massage oil

2. Hugging

3. Mutual-masterbation

4. Italian

My question:

Do i need a HIV test?

Many thanks for your time!

Bamboo

RapidRod · « **Reply #86 on:** February 20, 2010, 02:45:48 am »

You need to starting following the posting guidelines and return to your original thread.

bamboo · « **Reply #87 on:** February 20, 2010, 02:52:14 am »

I am sorry , Rod.

I could not find my previous post, so i added a new one here. Will you please tell me the answer?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #88 on:** February 20, 2010, 03:05:00 am »

Please keep all your thoughts questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

If you cannot find your original thread, please click the red link I have posted above. Alternatively you can use the "Show own posts" link which appears in the uppermost left hand column on any forum page.

Your questions will not be answered unless you return to your original thread.

Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread and familiarise yourself with the posting guidelines.
MtD

Ann · « **Reply #89 on:** February 20, 2010, 06:30:24 am »

Bamboo,

I've merged your threads.

1. No risk

2. No risk

3. No risk

4. No risk

You've been repeatedly told that the only proven sexual risks for hiv infection are unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse, yet you continue to come here with no risk stuff. You just don't listen to a thing you've been told.

You were permanently banned for creating a new account to get around a time out back in February 2007. The ban wasn't set up right and you came back in January 2009 and I let you, in the spirit of the holiday season.

This time around you're not going to be so lucky. If you learned anything in your three years of coming here, you wouldn't be asking such basic questions. You should know this stuff by now. It sounds to me like what you need is access to a mental health care therapist, not a website that only seems to serve to be a sounding board for your paranoia.

I'm reinstating your permanent ban. Please get the therapy you need.

Ann

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