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Desconectado JasonD95

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Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« en: Septiembre 29, 2016, 06:09:17 pm »
Now at the 9 week mark with treatment, I'm ready to start recovering my body by buying a ton of protein supplements tomorrow and start attending the gym again.
In total, I lost almost 70lbs to my infection, most of which was muscle, I weigh 104lbs now.

What I need to know is, what should I avoid while on Truvada and Raltevrevir?
I previously exploded in weight when I was 18 by using things like BCCAs, creatine  and protein.

From what I already know, creatine might not be an option?

Advice is much appreciated. It's important for my state of mind to get back to more or less where I was before :)

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #1 en: Septiembre 29, 2016, 07:05:29 pm »
Hi Jason,welcome to the road back :)

I`m on  day 52 of meds and all is going well.I had lost about 35 lbs and jumped right back in the gym after a long absence once treatment started.I too bought a whey protein supplement and got back that 35 in pretty short order.On my second bloods my kidney values were raised..the Doctor wondered was i taking any other drugs which i wasn`t.I told him about the whey supplement and he asked me to stop taking it for a week and come back in for another blood test.I did and my kidney values  were back on track.This was not the first time the Doctor had come across this.I think its a well worn track for those with HIV.To cut a long story short be careful how much protein you take.Check with your Doc.I guess your kidneys are working a little harder with the ARV`s..throwing all that protein on top stresses them out even more.
Putting the weight back on really helps the head.Seeing your body strong and in good shape transforms it back into a friend and ally.
I was asked about creatine as well..not a good idea it seems.

Don`t over do it at first.Ease back into gym and food..and tell the Doc all.

Wishing you well,P.
Dx`d mid July 2016
8/8/2016 - CD4 50     VL 50,000
5/9/2016 -  CD4 150
13/9/2016  VL  undetectable.
March `17 - CD4 193   VL undetectable.

Genvoya and Bactrim

Desconectado JasonD95

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #2 en: Septiembre 29, 2016, 07:59:52 pm »
Thanks man. I'll keep that in mind when I go shopping tomorrow.

I'm curious about the stats in your sig. It's strange how the viral load/CD4 ratio varies so wildly across us all. My viral load was over 14 times what yours was, but my CD4 was holding strong at a minimum of 490  ???

Conectado paintedroom

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #3 en: Septiembre 30, 2016, 05:17:46 am »
Hey again,
Yes,that ratio is subject not just to a relationship of quantity but quality as well.Apparently you could have very low CD4`s but they could be of such a quality that they do twice the work of comparable numbers in someone else..or as Mr.Burns says - I`m invincible !

That`s a really simplified view.I`m sure a better explanation will be a long shortly by other more able members.
My Cd4`s were at 50 when i found out  ::) but jumped up to 150 in 30 days.I`m hoping i`m above the magic 200 at 53 days in.i`m UD which is great(understatement of the year) and am told by all not to obsess with the numbers..which i do anyway ;) Apart from a sometimes disagreeable head,i feel pretty dam good.

Hope all well with you,P.
Dx`d mid July 2016
8/8/2016 - CD4 50     VL 50,000
5/9/2016 -  CD4 150
13/9/2016  VL  undetectable.
March `17 - CD4 193   VL undetectable.

Genvoya and Bactrim

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #4 en: Septiembre 30, 2016, 08:35:17 pm »
There are charts showing it better than I can explain, but when you are first infected your VL goes through the roof, whilst your CD4 will still be pretty high. Then the VL starts coming down to some sort of plateau as your CD4 count reduces due to infection of the cells with HIV. Eventually, if untreated, your CD4's reduce to zero and as it plummets, the VL starts shooting back up into the stratosphere. End result is predictable.

So where someone is on that continuum will see wildly different VL's and CD4 counts. Even that isn't set in stone though, and much is to do with genetics than anything else.

Also, other conditions can affect CD4 count. My 'baseline' CD4 was 160, but as I had a few other things going on, as I was also rocking gonnoreah and syphilis for the winter season, my clinic say it's hard to know my 'true' baseline as those other things may well have been suppressing it also.

As for protein. I just use a bog standard shake from the supermarket and use it primarily for muscle recovery and to avoid too much soreness.

In a way I'm jealous of you all trying to put weight on. I have the opposite problem...I've ballooned out and need to lose some... I'm not sure which is easier - to put weight on or get weight off. I know that putting weight on could potentially be more fun food-wise :)
Diagnosed 29th Dec, after Home test 27th Dec 2015
29th Dec 2015 - CD4 160, VL 70,363, CD4% 16
Started Septrin 31st Dec & Tivicay/Truvada 12th Jan 2016
9th February 2016 - CD4 245, VL 96, CD4% 19
8th March 2016 - VL 61 (no CD4 taken)
5th April 2016 - CD4 354, VL  - UD (<40), CD4% 22
5th July 2016 - VL - UD (<40) (no CD4 taken)
13th September 2016 - CD4 432, VL - UD (<40), CD4% 28
13th December 2016 - VL - UD (<40) (no CD4 taken)
18th April 2017 - VL - UD (<40) (no CD4 taken)

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #5 en: Octubre 02, 2016, 08:11:54 pm »
The tenofovir DF in Truvada can put kidneys under stress, but the damage happens over an extended time.
You will be monitored for kidney function as part of your regular testing so any issues will get identified before they cause irreparable harm.

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #6 en: Mayo 02, 2017, 09:05:21 am »
How is your bulking up going?

I am on my week 8 of a 16 week challenge trying to bulk up. I lost weight and now trying to gain muscles ;)
I am using all natural products ;)

Never felt better and fitter

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #7 en: Junio 26, 2017, 08:00:42 am »
any updates? post some recipes for a good morning start with proteins

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Re: Supplements to avoid while bulking?
« Respuesta #8 en: Junio 26, 2017, 12:19:02 pm »
@tmarkus.

You have been asked by the mod team to only post in your own thread, 
see here: https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=66679

Your posts made outside your own thread were removed and/or merged on previous occasions. Now If you continue to post outside your own thread it will simply lead to a ban.

Kind regards

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