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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: 613 on September 10, 2007, 07:21:08 am
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OK, Ive posted on thebody.com as well as med help forums.com and they both say that insertive oral sex is no risk for HIV. However on the HIV/AIDS message board on Yahoo they said it was and to get tested.
Im a 20 year old male that's a virgin. The only sexual contact Ive had in my life was on May 27 2006, when a girl gave me unprotected oral sex. Afterwards I freaked that I had syphilis, herpes, and HIV. I plan to go to the university clinic to get tested and would like to know what to test for.
1. Test for HIV?
2. Test for herpes?
3. test for syphilis?
Bein college kids are poor I don't want to take a test I don't need to take. Please help me.
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613,
Getting a blowjob is not and never has been a risk for hiv infection. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.
It's highly unlikely you were infected with anything through your blowjob, and definitely NOT hiv.
You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.
Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.
Although you do NOT need to test over this blowjob, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.
When you become more sexually active, you should start having regular, routine checks. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
Ann
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Cool, well HIV is not a worry.
How about syphilis? It's been almost 2 years and no symptoms. I may go get the test on Wednesday if it's cheap.
I have OCD, which explains my lack of sex (none at all).
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613,
You can test for syphilis if you like, but if all you've ever done was get this one blowjob, expect to see a negative result.
Ann
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So I am in the clear for both HIV and Syphilis?
Well all that leaves is HSV1 and Ive talked on those forums and they said after 1 1/2 to 2 years if I havent shown symptoms to forget about it and move on not too mention that about 60% of the population has HSV1.
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Oh, also with syphilis, I would have known by now if I had it right? It usually takes no more than a few months correct?
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Yes, you would have known.
Becoming active sexually is exciting and it also commonly stirs up a lot of other feelings including fear and anxiety. As you are finding out. It's a very common response. But you might want to give some thought to talking with a counselor or other like professional to sort your feelings out a bit.
As long as you consistently use condoms for intercourse in terms of sexual activities you are pretty much covered as far as HIV is concerned.
If you surf the web I can guarantee you that you will find (mis)information to feed your worst fears on all counts.
Cheers,
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You're right. The nurse told me last November that if I had syphilis I would have known in 6 months, and it would have been very painful.
well scratch HIV and syphilis. All that remains is HSV1 which I may already have orally since most people have oral HSV1. Ive been to med help and they say to move on with my life.
I guess Im std free.
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Even with that smidgin of lingering doubt I read in what you've written I say GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE. Really.
Cheers,
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I know that. I'm not goin to test for this event, as Im negative, but if I ever do have sex Ill test annually or every 6 months.
I just got done reading a response to me on med help and they said that syphilis can go unnoticed and to test, but Andy says I would've known by now. In November 2006 a nurse told me the same thing that I would have known if I had syphilis. Should I just not test for syphilis and HIV and move one?
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613, DO NOT post in any other thread other than your own. Take the time and read the "Welcome" thread and the posting guidelines.
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613,
I removed your post from someone elses thread and put it here in your own thread, which is the only place you should post. As Rodneys suggests, read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0).
Ann
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Oh sorry. I guess I misread the post. My fault.
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I was at a concert last night and me and buddy of mine soaked our hands in a bucket of water. I did not know he was bleeding until he told me. I did not have any cuts or abrasions on my hand and I think that HIV dies in water but I'm afraid I may have risked contracting it. I then washed my hands with soap & water.
So what's my risk? it is zero?
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No Risk whatsoever.
Please read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) and read the lessons on how HIV is transmitted.
Jan
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6,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. You've already been asked to do this when you were here before - get reading. Thank you for your cooperation.
As for you question, no risk. Make sure you click on the Transmission Lesson link in the Welcome thread and read that as well as our posting guidelines.
Ann
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I should also mention this was a Halloween concert and there was fake blood on both of us.
I remember reading that water kills HIV not to mention that I used soap and water right after. But I also put my finger in my mouth after I washed my hands. Is it safe to say that there was no HIV on my fingers?
This is probably my OCD getting the better of me.
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6,
If you have OCD, you need to talk with a therapist about that. We cannot help you with your OCD here.
This is not even remotely an hiv situation. No risk whatsoever.
Ann
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OK... possibly my last post.
I do not recall actively bleeding but the next morning I saw a non bleeding nick on my finger with skin over it Not bleeding. I don't think I was bleeding for real. All I remember was the fake blood.
Now from what I know HIV doesn't survive in water, and theoretically speaking, even if I had an open nick, I would not get infected correct?
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613,
I'm fairly certain this might be your last post.
I don't know what your issue with fake blood is (presumably it contains fake HIV) but your needs are clearly well beyond the scope of our forum.
I'm sorry that you're plagued with OCD or whatever but you need to get yourself some serious psychiatric help.
MtD
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6,
You did not have a risk for hiv infection. This forum is not the appropriate place for you to work through your OCD. Please see your therapist.
If you've read the posting guidelines like you've been asked to, you'll know that we won't allow you to go on and on about your no risk incident. Please consider yourself warned.
Ann
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No you guys are not listening.
My friend really was bleeding. He cut his hand on his other friend's guitar string. He went to the bucket to wash his hands of the blood. So yes he was bleeding.
I wanted to know if water kills HIV. I do not remember actively bleeding the next day I saw a little non bleeding mark on my finger covered with skin.
So yeah, that's what I'm worried about. If HIV dies in water.
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Yes, we understood what you said and you didn't have a risk. PERIOD.. End of Story.
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No you guys are not listening.
My friend really was bleeding. He cut his hand on his other friend's guitar string. He went to the bucket to wash his hands of the blood. So yes he was bleeding.
I wanted to know if water kills HIV. I do not remember actively bleeding the next day I saw a little non bleeding mark on my finger covered with skin.
So yeah, that's what I'm worried about. If HIV dies in water.
Yes, HIV is rendered inactive in water. No, you didn't have a risk.
MtD
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About 6 months ago at capoeira practice when I was doin a hand stand one of my fingers touched wet blood on the floor. I didn't have any cuts on my finger but I couldn't wash it off so I wiped it on my pants.
You said that HIV can't survive on the floor so is my risk zero?
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Capoeira?
First it was fake blood on Halloween. Then it was a guitar string. Then it was blood in water and now it's blood on the capoeira floor?
For the record no, HIV cannot be transmitted from blood on a dance floor to your hand during capoeira practice.
I suspect you are having a bit of a laugh at our expense here.
MtD
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OK so a few hours ago a few friends of mine were practicing martial arts. At the time I had a cut on my foot. Not a deep one and not to serious. Well most of the dudes I sparred has open cuts too. I do not recall any globs of blood gettin on my foot, but what is my risk?
Or is this just OCD again?
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From the Welcome Thread that you obviously haven't read, if you had then you would know how HIV is trasmitted..as you have been told, several times, we can't help you with your OCD you need to see a therapist.
Please take note of the the paragraph below:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
Jan (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0)
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2 weeks ago I was at a concert and when I pushed a guy he spit somethin in my face. I don't know what as it was dark and a little got in my eyes. Hypothetically speaking, if it was blood the chances I would be infected are zero as HIV doesn't live outside the body correct?
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You better heed what Jan just posted or you will get a T.O. or Banned.
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I was practicing wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu with a friend of mine who was bleeding from his knee. His blood got on the mat while we were rolling.
I don't recall getting any blood on my body but I'm afraid that blood may have gotten on my face. I never tasted blood though.
I remember people saying HIV cannot be spread once it hits the floor. So am I at risk or is this OCD?
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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
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613,
Until the day you have unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse (which I would hope you won't do), I don't want to see you back here posting these nonsense transmission scenarios. Hiv cannot be transmitted once it is outside the body and on environmental surfaces. You have been told this repeatedly.
Come back with more environmental scenarios - or even reply to this post - and you'll be given that time out we've been promising you. No kidding.
Please seek counseling to help you get over your irrational fears. We cannot help you with that here.
Ann
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Hello everyone.
My concern is over receiving oral sex. In May 2006 I received unsafe oral sex from a girl and as far as I can remember no one was bleeding. In September of 2007 I went to the doctor and they said the only thing they check for in regards to oral sex is oral gonorhea. My concern is that while you all say there is no risk for oral sex, other doctors say there is a risk. I am asking to know whether the sources you all post are reliable and current sources that proves HIV cannot be spread from receiving oral sex.
sources and current data would be welcome and appreciated.
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No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States
Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228
AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men
Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.
Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:
Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;
Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.
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Preciate the sources, but since I'm heterosexual, would these apply to straight couples as well?
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Whether a penis is attached to a straight or gay guy, it does not get infected through being sucked. There's never been a case of transmission to a guy in that manner. You aren't going to make history by becoming the first.
Don't make the mistake of attempting to begin another cycle of what ifs or attempting to entangle us in what other doctors may have told you.
Just get on with your life.
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Ya know, I think you're right. I mean for the doctor to tell me himself that I am "looking for problems" and they only check for oral gonorrhea should give me all the assurance I need. Then again I suppose I should test to shut these fears out.
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Sort it out anyway you like. You didn't have a risk so testing is unnecessary.
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This will more than likely be my last question for quite some time.
4 years ago I at a concert I shook hands with a guy that cut himself. He had blood on his hands and I went to the bathroom to wash it. There was no soap but I used water.
What was my risk?
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This will more than likely be my last question for quite some time.
4 years ago I at a concert I shook hands with a guy that cut himself. He had blood on his hands and I went to the bathroom to wash it. There was no soap but I used water.
What was my risk?
Your risk of contracting HIV from shaking someone else's bloodied hand is nil.
You have been warned previously about posting questions about non risk situations. You would do well to ensure this is your last question of this kind.
MtD
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Seriously? What part of the Transmissions link failed to educate you about that?
HIV is an INFECTIOUS disease. It is not a CONTAGIOUS disease.
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Wow, given the scope of your postings (which I just perused) you have issues that have nothing to do with HIV. I truly wish you the best of luck, but think you would really benefit from counseling for your OCD issues. I for one will no longer be feeding your fears by replying to your postings.
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You were warned about coming back with more non-risk concerns. You've been given very thorough information about what is a risk (unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse) and what isn't. I'm going to give you that 28 day Time Out from the site which Ann warned you about.
Don't make the mistake of trying to get around the Time Out by creating a new name. We will spot that right off and it would get you permanently banned from the site.
HIV is not your problem. Get yourself the professional help that you need to deal with your OCD. We can't help you with that problem in this setting. Good luck to you.
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After over 4 years of contemplating I threw in the towel and got tested for the bj I received in 2006. The guy that tested me said I have an extremely low risk, being I am a male and I'll have my results back in a couple of weeks.
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After over 4 years of contemplating I threw in the towel and got tested for the bj I received in 2006. The guy that tested me said I have an extremely low risk, being I am a male and I'll have my results back in a couple of weeks.
The guy that tested you needs to learn about HIV transmission. Receiving a blowjob is not a risk for HIV transmission.
MtD
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He does HIV counseling so he is qualified. His words were "extreeeeemmmeeellly low risk."
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He does HIV counseling so he is qualified. His words were "extreeeeemmmeeellly low risk."
Which is "cover-my-ass" for no risk. But if you wanna get tested knock yourself out. We all know what the result will be.
MtD
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Just so you know, if you continue to come back here about a no risk situation such as yours is, you are very quickly going to find yourself getting another Time Out. Except this time it will be for 56 days.
HIV is not your problem at this point. You need to help from a therapist and as others have said, we cannot provide that for you in this setting.
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Quick question. If you finger a woman and subsequently rub her vaginal fluid on your penis, is there a risk?
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No.
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.
HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug abusers
Mother to child
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613,
Quick answer: NO.
I suggest you re-read your thread in full. The basics have already been repeatedly explained to you.
Ann