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I get so sick of all this mess, this happens about every 6 months it seems we go thru this.
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Where's all those crocadile tears from Boehner, knowing that he is responsible for shutting the govt down, and causing hardships on the American people.
Or maybe, he hasn't had enough scotch yet, to get into his crying jag,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDyt_qCCiTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmlKCtvRet8
Ray
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I hope the voters punish the republicans next year. Elections have consequences, and that is something they don't get. The president got healthcare passed. He was reelected. The Supreme Court upheld the law. Many government workers are living paycheck to paycheck, like most. It appears soldiers will still continue to get paid, after some legislation??
We are in the process of refinancing our FHA home loan. I have read this will effect new loans, but not sure about refinancing. This will just be a tiny, tiny pain for us. But, many will suffer.
And, the debt ceiling is coming up. Will they once again cause us to lose more of our credit rating? Rachel Maddow did a segment on this. She played audio and showed letters Reagan wrote to republicans about how irresponsible it is to play with the economy and our credit, with going to the wire with not raising the debt ceiling.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/53118951/
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Jon Stewart was good tonight, as usual. Tonight's clips aren't up yet. However, he played this clip from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It sounds like the president is telling repubs this.
http://youtu.be/ymPpIzaanhY
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A year, unfortunately, is a long enough time for the guilty parties to spin themselves as heroes. And our uneducated, complacent, and ignorant voting population will believe them.
Sorry for the cynicism.
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I don't know about the time heals everything argument. I mean the idea that the obstructionists are going to "spin" their way back to favorable ratings. I think there are plenty of people of voters who RIGHT NOW consider them heros. I think they themselves also genuinely believe they are doing something heroic.
Its just I sit way on the other side. And moderates also don't like these shenanigans. I think how people view the GOP obstructionists and fantasy dwellers, today, isn't going to change much. Well, at least I hope so.
The problem is with gerrymandered districts, perhaps the GOP obstructionists can be reelected because their odd little (minority) world view, nevertheless controls the district. ??? Or tell me thats not true. It worries me...
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The House Repubs have NOTHING TO FEAR FROM VOTERS. They are, for the most part, in nice, safe, comfy districts where the voters are cheering. Unfortunately this is the shit you get when you let politicians pick their voters instead of the other way around. I read 2 Letters to the Editor in my paper this morning cheering on Eric Cantor and wishing their were more like him in Congress. :o
Now, Senators have far more to fear, which is why they have far fewer members in support of the House's insatiable drive to kill Obamacare. How any state, even Texas, could have voted in the likes of Ted Cruz is beyond me.
Normally, I find a crisis like this as having people on each side involved, but in this one -- it is all the foolish far right republicans and the ball-less Boehner who refuses to put them down, because he knows it would be the end of his Speakership. There are enough moderate Republicans in the House that could band with the Dems and open the government back up.
My biggest fear -- the debt ceiling debacle that is fast approaching. That has the potential to bring the world economy back to 2008. I fear it is all hopeless at this point.
M
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Americans are stupid
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Americans are stupid
weez tiz ?
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>:( -_-
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yawn.
Wait till the debt ceiling debacle hits us in 16 days.
To quote my Gran-Gran.. "youz aint seen nuthin yet"
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yawn.
Wait till the debt ceiling debacle hits us in 16 days.
To quote my Gran-Gran.. "youz aint seen nuthin yet"
This actually does scare the shit out of me........ I fear we are in for a horrible fall/winter -- I just hope it doesn't turn into a multi-year economic nightmare.
Gerrymandering has taken so much power away from the people that only a few politicians really require the consent of reasonable Americans to govern. In fact, for US Reps to maintain their office, many/most must now pander to the far right or far left. So few elections matter once the primaries are over.
Somehow we must find a way to stop politicians from choosing their voters -- we need the Judicial branch to step in and stop the insanity of gerrymandering (which despite how it is currently slanted to the Repubs favor in the US House, is a Democrat animal).
Mike
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Every cloud has a silver lining.
KKK Rally At Gettysburg Canceled Because Of Government Shutdown
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/kkk-rally-canceled_n_4024192.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/kkk-rally-canceled_n_4024192.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037)
A Ku Klux Klan rally planned for Saturday, Oct. 5 has been canceled because of the government shutdown.
On Sept. 26, officials at Gettysburg National Military Park granted a special-use permit for a rally to a Maryland-based KKK group. According to NBC 10 Philadelphia, the event was canceled when park officials rescinded all permits for special events because of the shutdown, which began 12 a.m. ET on Tuesday. ...
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This actually does scare the shit out of me........ I fear we are in for a horrible fall/winter -- I just hope it doesn't turn into a multi-year economic nightmare.
Gerrymandering has taken so much power away from the people that only a few politicians really require the consent of reasonable Americans to govern. In fact, for US Reps to maintain their office, many/most must now pander to the far right or far left. So few elections matter once the primaries are over.
Somehow we must find a way to stop politicians from choosing their voters -- we need the Judicial branch to step in and stop the insanity of gerrymandering (which despite how it is currently slanted to the Repubs favor in the US House, is a Democrat animal).
Mike
This is a great article that illustrates your point. Dems had 1.1 million more votes, thus winning the popular vote in the House, but repubs kept control. Dems engage in this, too, but not nearly as successfully.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/us/politics/redistricting-helped-republicans-hold-onto-congress.html?pagewanted=all
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Unfortunately this is the shit you get when you let politicians pick their voters instead of the other way around.
THIS.
This a gazillion times. First thing these monsters did was redraw their districts to make sure they got the re-election locked down.
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STUPID GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
That's the only thing I have to say.
@Miss P--does our stupid government not wanting to do their job have any effect on the MAUDE thingy that I have for my meds?
Mchelle 8)
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This has very serious consequences. James Clapper, Director of National Intellegence, testified that 70% of intellegence agents have been furloughed. He said this puts us at great risk. The FBI has sent home half their employees, which they say will make it more difficult to track threats. The CDC is not tracking things like food poisoning, with less than a third on the job. I hope they are tracking more serious illnesses. The FDA is not testing food. WIC is shutting down, deemed as non-essential. Head Start is shutting down.
The one that hit me the most is the NIH has furloughed 73% of their staff. NBC News says that means 200 patients a week are being turned away for last-resort medical treatments, including 30 children-- most of them cancer patients. If that is true, that is unforgivable.
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STUPID GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
That's the only thing I have to say.
The Reign Of Morons Is Here
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues)
We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.
We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up to the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.
We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.
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weez tiz ?
Yes a government by the people has only the people to blame when it fails.
The Reign Of Morons Is Here
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues)
We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.
We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up to the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.
We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.
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I wish that they would enact legislation making it treason for member's of congress to spin the facts in such a way it becomes a lie .
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Once a week I go to the "we the people" site, to check out current petitions.
Well Damn, .... :
http://www.whitehouse.gov/we-the-people-temporarily-disabled
Ray >:(
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Adding one more thing to my earlier list-- the TSB will not investigate the deadly bus crash in TN from Tuesday. After all the charter bus crashes recently, they need investigated. Surely, if there was a plane crash, they would investigate that?
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The BBC interviewed a Banker from Chase Manhattan who had met with the dissenting Republican's. His conclusion was they had no idea off the consequences for the US and therefore the worlds economy. He was calm and sober but was clearly shocked at how little these people understood fiance.
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The grants world is slowing down a bit too...
The website where we submit our National Science Foundation (NSF) grants is down:
https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/
This may impact submission dates and will also delay payments to those organizations that currently have open grants.... No money coming in could quickly cause some smaller organizations to have cash flow issues (translation: layoffs, suspension of services, etc.)
We have already been bitten by delays in release of funding oppotunity applications due to continuing resolutions and cutbacks in funding due to sequestration....
At the end of the year, when the bottom line begins to shrink, many organizations, including mine, will have to look for ways to cut costs even more and do even more with less (this means students will have less access to college, employees may be laid off - including in our department, and employers who are already saying that they don't have the skilled workers needed to fill some positions will have even less of those skilled workers).... and these are just the more pronounced effects....
In the long run, the long-term (and even short-term cost) of shutting down the government to try to get rid of Obamacare or cut spending, is going to cost the government several times more than what it would have cost to pass a clean bill and fund those programs that help avoid or diminish much more significant downstream costs.
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This congressman from Texas, needs to get his head examined.
This congressman tries to get the park ranger to apologize, for the shutdown, when he voted for the shutdown. Insanity I tell ya,..
http://gawker.com/gop-congressman-makes-park-ranger-apologize-for-shutdow-1440577868
Ray
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My senators were caught on a hot mic discussing strategy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-hot-mic_n_4036591.html
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This congressman tries to get the park ranger to apologize, for the shutdown, when he voted for the shutdown. Insanity I tell ya,..
http://gawker.com/gop-congressman-makes-park-ranger-apologize-for-shutdow-1440577868
Ray
I saw that too and was trying to come up with of an analogy based on the thinking process of a 5 year old kid. Sorry, couldn't do it. A 5 year old makes more sense.
Edited to add:
Is your congressman smarter than a 5 year old?
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There is a hidden message in this weather report. Can you find it? If you already saw this, let's see who can find it.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv22/tedunk/2013-10-04190808_zps16387565.png)
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There is a hidden message in this weather report. Can you find it? If you already saw this, let's see who can find it.
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I dont know, but for some reason I get horny when I read it.
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Is your congressman smarter than a 5 year old?
We all know who my congressman is.......... No, no he is not!
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There is a hidden message in this weather report. Can you find it? If you already saw this, let's see who can find it.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv22/tedunk/2013-10-04190808_zps16387565.png)
Look at the far left column of first letters, in the words. They spell out "PLEASE PAY US."
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@Miss P--does our stupid government not wanting to do their job have any effect on the MAUDE thingy that I have for my meds?
Mchelle 8)
It's called M.A.W.D. (Medical Assistance for Workers with Disabilities) and it's a state run program, not federal. So the answer would be no.
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By the way, this is what happens (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/us/politics/boehner-urges-gop-unity-in-epic-battle.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) when there's an alcoholic as Speaker of the House:
The overarching problem for the man at the center of the budget fight, say allies and opponents, is that he and his leadership team have no real idea how to resolve the fiscal showdown.
They are only trying to survive another day, Republican strategists say, hoping to maintain unity as long as possible so that when the Republican position collapses, they can capitulate on two issues at once — financing the government and raising the debt ceiling — and head off any internal party backlash.
Everything else is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
But read the entire article as it's a real hoot.
Also, cocks (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/01/grayson_blames_shutdown_on_gop_literally_drinking_on_the_job/?source=newsletter)
PS: ONLY EIGHT MORE HOURS UNTIL WE CAN WATCH DONATELLA SNORT COKE!
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Look at the far left column of first letters, in the words. They spell out "PLEASE PAY US."
Ding, ding, ding! Vanna, tell her what she's won. Wait, she only flips letters and rarely speaks.
I thought that was pretty clever. I heard the Washington Post first figured it out, but I think they must have been tipped off, if true. Who goes looking for hidden messages in weather reports?
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Brian is at the firefighter memorial in Maryland this weekend. Due to the shutdown, they had to hold the ceremony offsite, because the memorial is on federal land. That's unfortunate. They did allow the families of the fallen to go to the actual memorial site, but no one else. That was good for the families, as they are the most important ones. But, the firefighters also want to go to the site, especially those who worked with the fallen.
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Gawker led me to a NYT article tracing the shutdown through the Koch Brothers agenda to the source, Citizens United. Which allowed.....
200 Million in Koch funding last year to block Affordable Care Act. Months of planning for this shut down leading to a "tool kit" issued to legislators, for how it will work, in September.
This is some horror show of puppets performing government, at the moment, but the shutdown may have been the plan for months.. Can't make this shit up, but you'd like to think this isn't happening...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?pagewanted=1&hp&_r=0
A defunding “tool kit” created in early September included talking points for the question, “What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?” The suggested answer was the one House Republicans give today: “We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.”
The current budget brinkmanship is just the latest development in a well-financed, broad-based assault on the health law, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative initiative. Groups like Tea Party Patriots, Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are all immersed in the fight, as is Club for Growth, a business-backed nonprofit organization. Some, like Generation Opportunity and Young Americans for Liberty, both aimed at young adults, are upstarts. Heritage Action is new, too, founded in 2010 to advance the policy prescriptions of its sister group, the Heritage Foundation.
The billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David, have been deeply involved with financing the overall effort. A group linked to the Kochs, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, disbursed more than $200 million last year to nonprofit organizations involved in the fight. Included was $5 million to Generation Opportunity, which created a buzz last month with an Internet advertisement showing a menacing Uncle Sam figure popping up between a woman’s legs during a gynecological exam.
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This is being called the saddest photo of the shutdown. People not getting paid is pretty sad.
Polls are showing repubs are taking a big hit. 53% blame them, which is higher than under Clinton. Repubs have 27% favorability now. 47% to 39% say Dems should control Congress. That is a big change. 70% say repubs are doing this for political reasons, and that included many registered repubs. These are from the NBC/WSJ poll. Many say this won't hurt tea-party repubs, but I'm hearing many other repubs are worried it will hurt their reelections.
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A taser would get him to step back .
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A taser would get him to step back .
lmao!!
Alert! Alert! Code-2 on the fence! prepare to fire
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Song "We Can Work It Out": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uznnHd5thXE
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The House repubs changed the rules on who can call for an end of the shutdown. Not sure whether it is "creepy," though.
http://www.upworthy.com/congress-did-something-so-spectacularly-creepy-that-its-too-unbelievable-to-make-up?c=ufb1
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They are creeps for quietly passing that measure that said only Eric Cantor can call for the shutdown to end right before they had the shutdown. This way any congress person who actually gets some sense to call for a vote can't anymore....in a nation based on democracy that is a pretty creepy move.
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And the Tea Baggers were really at it again yesterday in Washington :
http://americablog.com/2013/10/tea-partyers-shout-racist-slurs-white-house-cops-looks-like-something-kenya.html
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/13/d_c_protestors_wave_confederate_flag_tell_obama_to_put_the_quran_down/singleton/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/larry-klayman-obama-quran_n_4094589.html
Ray
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Maybe I'm a sap, but I find it hard to believe that Sarah Palin, with all her faults, is stupid enough to march on the White House with a gang of racists carrying Confederate Flags... Well finally the blog post seems to be talking about two different events. Its sloppy as hell writing....
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/10/14/ugly-rebel-yell-in-front-of-the-white-house/
Ray
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Gee I find myself oddly defending Sarah Palin... The Washington Post article is a bit clearer. But I can read. It was 2 different sites, and only some of the same participants.
Those flags and what went on at the White House is horrific. I just hope no former or present elected officials were standing there amid the flags participating...
The War Memorial "Freedom" rat fuck was just another dumbass bombastic idiocy. Weekly partisan routine. The White House protest seems really bottom feeder, a gross harbinger of American decline...
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The House repubs changed the rules on who can call for an end of the shutdown. Not sure whether it is "creepy," though.
http://www.upworthy.com/congress-did-something-so-spectacularly-creepy-that-its-too-unbelievable-to-make-up?c=ufb1
A little more on that:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/10/1246004/-How-House-Republicans-guaranteed-a-nbsp-shutdown?detail=email
Ray
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I'm confused by some of the reporting. I have been hearing a large number of veterans were upset that Cruz and Palin turned it into a political rally against the president. I didn't see any interviews of veterans saying that-- just reports of that.
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A lot of people are spinning a lot of information and throwing rumours and lies into the soup.
Also make a point to note - is the "reporting" actually by a reporter/journalist? Or a blogger? Or a pundit?
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A lot of people are spinning a lot of information and throwing rumours and lies into the soup.
Heavens no --- the media would NEVER do anything like that (except for Fox News of course).
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It looks like those crazy repubs are going to take us into default . How can they claim to be conservative and do such a harmful thing to the worlds economy .
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They're stuck on "getting something out of it"
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It looks like those crazy repubs are going to take us into default...
Here we go folks... as we should... President Obama cannot give into these people, otherwise "hostage taking" will become the new normal in DC. It appears that America is going to pay a very dear price, to teach some Republicans that elections do have consequences.
Joe
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Revolution
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Wonderful,! As of about 4:30 this afternoon, our triple AAA rating, is on "rating watch negative"..
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/press_releases/detail.cfm?pr_id=805079&origin=home&cm_sp=homepage-_-Featured_Content_Archive-_-Fitch%20Places%20United%20States%27%20%27AAA%27%20on%20Rating%20Watch%20Negative
Ray
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They're stuck on "getting something out of it"
While the teabaggers own this cluster fuck, the Dems have also tried "getting something out of it". When they saw the polls blaming the Repubs, they started pushing for increased spending. Not a way to get the country going again.
ALL pols in DC are all about party and self, not us. There is not a single statesmen amongst them.
And before I get called for "fence sitting" again...... Read the Esquire/NBC poll on the 51% in the middle.... The ones who don't fit left or right. The pragmatic, nuanced ones........ It explains my position perfectly.
M
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The Daily Show did a good interview segment on why people feel the need to take hostages. You can watch below.
http://www.upworthy.com/see-this-daily-show-reporter-loses-his-cool-when-hes-confronted-with-stupidity-naturally?c=ufb1
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Here is hoping some semblance of sanity strikes today.
As one of his constituents, I felt obligated to rip into Cantor yesterday. I told him he needed to start doing the job that we are paying him to do and stop the fucking insanity. His desire for power should not be his primary objective, that his current tantrum was impacting my retirement savings, had the potential to hurt my mother who relies, almost exclusively on SS to live, etc. etc.......
I was asked if I'd like a response -- I checked, "Yes", but I doubt that I will hear anything...................
M
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BREAKING!!
Senate close to deal: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/senate-update-debt-ceiling-government-shutdown-98368.html
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BREAKING!!
Senate close to deal: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/senate-update-debt-ceiling-government-shutdown-98368.html
The Senate can make deals all day long. Will Boehner bring it to a vote in the House, and will it pass?
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Here is hoping some semblance of sanity strikes today.
As one of his constituents, I felt obligated to rip into Cantor yesterday. I told him he needed to start doing the job that we are paying him to do and stop the fucking insanity.
M
Great !! :) Cantor always looks as though he's just smelled shit. Always the same blank, shit smelling expression on his face ! :-*
Ray 8)
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I've been reading our credit rating could get lowered anyway even if they make a deal, in order to send a message that these crises have to stop.
What was the point of all this? I could see going this route for something big, such as legislation to sell off all national parks for resources, for example. I mean, something with so many immediate consequences, that you had to act now. Other than that, you get your party back into power and you pass your own legislation to change a law. But, they know the healthcare law will become as popular as Medicare, so they will have a hard time changing it.
I wasn't following politics much back in the mid-90's, but I remember this cartoon. Newt felt snubbed for sitting at the back of the plane and that Clinton never talked to him during the trip. Most accounts say Clinton was genuinely grieving the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin.
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http://www.cnn.com/US/9511/debt_limit/11-16/budget_gingrich/
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What was the point of all this? I could see going this route for something big, such as legislation to sell off all national parks for resources, for example. I mean, something with so many immediate consequences, that you had to act now. Other than that, you get your party back into power and you pass your own legislation to change a law. But, they know the healthcare law will become as popular as Medicare, so they will have a hard time changing it.
Honestly, I don't think there is ever a time to do this. It subverts the entire design of our government. Trying to get what you want via blackmail should never happen. Sending the economy to the brink seems, to me, to be going against the oath they all took. I just heard a story where an economist said that all the many financial crises of the last few years have cost 800,000 - 1,000,000 jobs in the US. Not sure where that is sourced from, but one has to believe that all this uncertainty is making business hold back on some hiring.
I hope, although I'm sure I will be disappointed, that between now and January, we get an actual budget that cuts spending and reforms the tax code. (assuming this deal passes today)
M
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Honestly, I don't think there is ever a time to do this. It subverts the entire design of our government. Trying to get what you want via blackmail should never happen. Sending the economy to the brink seems, to me, to be going against the oath they all took. I just heard a story where an economist said that all the many financial crises of the last few years have cost 800,000 - 1,000,000 jobs in the US. Not sure where that is sourced from, but one has to believe that all this uncertainty is making business hold back on some hiring.
I hope, although I'm sure I will be disappointed, that between now and January, we get an actual budget that cuts spending and reforms the tax code. (assuming this deal passes today)
M
Agree and I applaud Obama for trying to put an end to these constant threats by not giving into them. What a total waste. This nonsense needs to be stopped. The harm done to our economy is only part of the picture. It harmed people. And for what?
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What a total waste. This nonsense needs to be stopped. The harm done to our economy is only part of the picture. It harmed people. And for what?
And guess what, we get to do it all over again January 15th, when the Govt could shut down again, and the treasury is only authorized to borrow until Feb 7th, until another debt limit is needed. uggghhhh ! >:(
Ray
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THE SHUTDOWN ENDS!!
http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/16/end-to-government-shutdown-senate-house-vote-obama-deal/
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Stenographer escorted from US House Chambers for speaking out on vote:
Audio: https://soundcloud.com/toddzwillich-1/floor1-101612-wav
Video: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/16/house-stenographer-shutdown-vote/2998607/
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I know I am probably the only person here that feels this way, but I'm a bit saddened at Obama's speech he gave earlier today. Instead of taking the GREAT opportunity to try to unite he lectures and talks about how bad "the republicans are for tearing down 200 years of work", etc..., etc...
It would have been refreshing to have a speech given entirely about how Congress and the Admin will immediately start working on uniting and trying to overcome differences in preparation for the January deadline, and say maybe something like "I ahve invited leaders of both houses over to the White House immediately for a beer social" or something along those lines.
Then here comes Pelosi on his heels trotting out charts talking about how Republican temper tantrums have cost the US some-odd billion dollars. Which may all be true, but aren't we tired of this diviseness? I know I am.
So get ready for 6 more weeks of name calling.
Btw, I feel entirely alienated by my Congress (Repubs and Dems) and my President. It's shameful.
-W
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Hey Will,
No, you are not the only person who feels disenfranchised over the mess in DC. For me, it appears that the age of reasonable representatives, on both sides of the aisle, is but a distant memory. Politics and governing will always involve acrimony, however, the level has reached epic proportions and has been replaced by actual hatred for the other side.
The display of the confederate flag, in front of the White House, saddened me to no end. The open displays of racial hatred tell me that America has decades to go, before the Civil War will "officially" be over. Political pundits no longer promote policies, they denigrate the opposition, often personally, which tends to break any common bonds and we have just witnessed another spectacle of the results.
What I believe would change the political landscape of America is for both Congress and the Supreme Court to have term limits. Maybe, if members of Congress knew that their political life had a finite end, they may actually work at representing their constituents. SC justices are not crowned as monarchs, yet many act as such and maybe term limits, would allow for justices to be chosen on their judicial merits alone.
I always found it strange that the president is limited to two terms, but no one, in the other two branches face such restrictions. If we could make both Congress and the SC be more like a fixed term to serve America, the influence and lobbying could be reduced.
Sadly none of this will ever happen, until Americans stop hating Americans.
Joe
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I used to think that what we needed in DC was regular people who were not career politicians , then came Sara Palin .
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I know I am probably the only person here that feels this way, but I'm a bit saddened at Obama's speech he gave earlier today. Instead of taking the GREAT opportunity to try to unite he lectures and talks about how bad "the republicans are for tearing down 200 years of work", etc..., etc...
It would have been refreshing to have a speech given entirely about how Congress and the Admin will immediately start working on uniting and trying to overcome differences in preparation for the January deadline, and say maybe something like "I ahve invited leaders of both houses over to the White House immediately for a beer social" or something along those lines.
Then here comes Pelosi on his heels trotting out charts talking about how Republican temper tantrums have cost the US some-odd billion dollars. Which may all be true, but aren't we tired of this diviseness? I know I am.
So get ready for 6 more weeks of name calling.
Btw, I feel entirely alienated by my Congress (Repubs and Dems) and my President. It's shameful.
-W
Funny , that is what I heard him say . I was stunned when people criticized the president after his speech . I heard him talk about coming together . Its a case of no matter what he said its fodder for those who dislike him .
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I'm tired of the need in this country to spread the blame. Whenever the republicans throw a temper tantrum someone from the media usually says how both the republicans and democrats are at fault and how both sides need to come together.
Well not this time. It's about time the media names names. The republicans and The Senator from Texas coast this country 24 billion dollars and almost ruined the global economy.
I'm sick of Republicans and the idiots who vote for them and the media for not calling them out.
My personal opinion, and yes I'm in a mood.
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Did anyone else see the op ed the government of China wrote in their major newspaper about this? They made a compelling case that the world needs to shift their economies to a more "deamericanized" model. They say this because the US government is so fucked up we risk bringing the entire planet down with us. It was ..... true.
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I'm sick of Republicans and the idiots who vote for them and the media for not calling them out.
Yep -- THIS is how we improve government. Call the voters idiots. The fact of the matter is, just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean that the voters are idiots. The vote for folks who spout off what they believe it (whether the politician truly believes it is another story).
This is an example of what Joe mentioned earlier -- name calling and hatred of the "other side". It is why we are where we are today.
To be clear -- I do believe that the Tea Party is responsible for the manufactured crisis we just endured -- as well as the Republican leadership who was more concerned with their position then doing what was right. However, vilifying the other side isn't helpful -- because they think you are the idiot for not wanting to stop the runaway spending (whether that is true or not).
Politics are and have always been about compromise. While I agreed with the President's stance to not give in to blackmail here -- the time now is for both sides to come and do the give and take thing on the budget. That WILL NOT happen if acrimony rules the day.
BTW -- I agree with Jeff -- I heard the President talk about coming together to solve our issues, yes, he pointed out the obvious too, but that wasn't what most struck me. I missed Pelosi -- but if that is what she did -- it shows that BOTH SIDES (sorry Bug, but it's true) will not miss an opportunity to "lift their side" rather than talk about how we move forward from here.
Oh and one last point -- the Tea Party members were, for the most part, doing the will of their constituents. Unfortunately, as I've repeated ad nauseum, they PICKED THEIR VOTERS. Few if any House members will pay any political price for this. I'm sure the Ted Cruz is a hero to a huge chunk of Texas.
M
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Brinksmanship is a sophisticated and delicate game it can bite both of you in the ass at the same time.. this was badly played...Repubs had no chance of actually defunding Obamacare...they picked the wrong "brink" the Budget is a good "Brink" it has serious probability of happening when either side blinks
I think we just need to hold on for another major round of Brinksmanship... all the hoopla we have seen so far is just a prelude...there will have to be serious concessions made on both sides
Nick
BTW Pelosi's Charts were just an introduction to the campaign strategy coming our way soon, sort of a trial Balloon sort of a rebuke to the "tax and spend" cry from repubs against Dems.....this will be "just wasting tax Money" by Repubs for no good reason
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Funny , that is what I heard him say . I was stunned when people criticized the president after his speech . I heard him talk about coming together . Its a case of no matter what he said its fodder for those who dislike him .
Funny, I guess I just heard stuff like this.."And had one side not decided to pursue a strategy of brinksmanship",..."make government work better instead of treating it like an enemy or purposely making it work worse"
I'll give you that these ^ statement are TRUE, but really was this necessary in his first speech after the re-opening?
Edited to add: he did call for coming together, but would have been nice to hear only that and not the other. And maybe say that he will host weekly dinners with the leaders...i think it would make for better negotiations down the road when you've sat with each other and broke bread often . How refreshing would that be?
Im not an Obama hater I voted for him, so its no fodder for me. I actually dont care for any of them.
Well not this time. It's about time the media names names. The republicans and The Senator from Texas coast this country 24 billion dollars and almost ruined the global economy.
I'm sick of Republicans and the idiots who vote for them and the media for not calling them out.
My personal opinion, and yes I'm in a mood.
Nice. You would fit right in with those in DC.
This is an example of what Joe mentioned earlier -- name calling and hatred of the "other side". It is why we are where we are today.
This... a thousand times yes.
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The amount of money that America lost during the shutdown ($24 billion) is comparable to running the international space station for 8 years, funding NASA for a year, buying 83 Boeing Dreamliner jets, or paying the Yankees payroll (100 times over) or buy 6300 Super Bowl ads.
Considering Republicans are supposed to be the "conservative" ones you would expect them to also be conservative with the economy. Guess throwing a fit is more important.
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Here is hoping some semblance of sanity strikes today.
As one of his constituents, I felt obligated to rip into Cantor yesterday. I told him he needed to start doing the job that we are paying him to do and stop the fucking insanity. His desire for power should not be his primary objective, that his current tantrum was impacting my retirement savings, had the potential to hurt my mother who relies, almost exclusively on SS to live, etc. etc.......
I was asked if I'd like a response -- I checked, "Yes", but I doubt that I will hear anything...................
M
UGH!!! I now wish I've never emailed this man........ I am now on his email list and am being inundated with messages. Today, I was invited for free pizza at a local "volunteer fair" -- to allow teenagers to "get their community service hours in"?? I have no idea what that is about, but I don't like being on his list.
Of course, NONE of the messages thus far have responded to my message to him. ::)
M
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UGH!!! I now wish I've never emailed this man........ I am now on his email list and am being inundated with messages. Today, I was invited for free pizza at a local "volunteer fair" -- to allow teenagers to "get their community service hours in"?? I have no idea what that is about, but I don't like being on his list.
Of course, NONE of the messages thus far have responded to my message to him. ::)
M
As far as I can tell trying to opt out of political email list doesn't accomplish Jack . I gave money to the Prez during his campaign and I get 3 or 4 emails a day and have opted out every single time before sending them to my unsubscribe folder . The free unsubscribe service really works for most spam but not for spam the chosen ones in DC send .
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This speaks volumes as to why we are where we are. Sarah Palin was on the Fair and Balanced, "FOX and Friends" this morning to stir the pot and create fake outrages over liberals trying to take away Christian holidays. She says Jesus celebrated Easter. Besides being so utterly ridiculous and so very scary how close she came to being a heartbeat away from nuclear codes and being the most powerful person in the world, she has nothing to offer, except to polarize.
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-easter/
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This speaks volumes as to why we are where we are. Sarah Palin was on the Fair and Balanced, "FOX and Friends" this morning to stir the pot and create fake outrages over liberals trying to take away Christian holidays. She says Jesus celebrated Easter. Besides being so utterly ridiculous and so very scary how close she came to being a heartbeat away from nuclear codes and being the most powerful person in the world, she has nothing to offer, except to polarize.
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-easter/
Never mind finding a cure for aids, I wish someone would find a cure for stupid!!!
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Never mind finding a cure for aids, I wish someone would find a cure for stupid!!!
There is a problem with that idea.
http://www.cafepress.com/mf/31093109/pill-to-cure-stupid_bumper-sticker
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Sarah Palin was on the Fair and Balanced, "FOX and Friends" this morning to stir the pot and create fake outrages over liberals trying to take away Christian holidays. She says Jesus celebrated Easter. .
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-easter/
Come on Tedderz, do you even realize what that site (Daily Currant) is? It's satirical, it even says it in header ::) All I had to do was actually click on their homepage to see that. The next story after Palins is "Nancy Grace charged with Murder".
Look I'm no fan of Palins, but when people post stuff like this, on either side, and spread it as fact...yes "This speaks volumes as to why we are where we are"
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So Nancy Grace strangled her college roommate with chicken wire. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Thanks Willy . You heard it here , Willy sez Nancy Grace is a chicken wire murderess .
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Political satire is nothing new so the dainty ladies here need to stop clutching their pearls. And I don't mean BennieBen Franklin this time either, I mean Horace the Roman (65-8 BCE).
However, there's a difference between obvious satire (The Onion) and a legitimate news source (Fox) which isn't really satire at all, but simply disinformation. There is a fine line, one which inhabitants of trailer parks aren't sharp enough to get.
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My brother in Law listens to Mrs Michael Strange on the radio, it took me a couple off hours listening for the awful truth to dawn.
The program was not Satire.
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Here is hoping some semblance of sanity strikes today.
As one of his constituents, I felt obligated to rip into Cantor yesterday. I told him he needed to start doing the job that we are paying him to do and stop the fucking insanity. His desire for power should not be his primary objective, that his current tantrum was impacting my retirement savings, had the potential to hurt my mother who relies, almost exclusively on SS to live, etc. etc.......
I was asked if I'd like a response -- I checked, "Yes", but I doubt that I will hear anything...................
M
OK -- I did finally hear from Cantor's office. Got a letter in the mail. "Thank you for writing and sharing your views with me........." It goes on to explain what a Continuing Resolution is and that the one did pass and debt ceiling raised (thank goodness that I have his office to keep me abreast of recent news).
He ends with "please let me know if you would like us to keep you up to date on what is happening in Congress" (NOW I understand why newspapers are struggling -- Congressional aides have taken over as news providers.
No real response to my points, which is not at all surprising. However, I was surprised that he took the time to have an aide print out a form letter and mail it to me.
M
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OK -- I did finally hear from Cantor's office. Got a letter in the mail. "Thank you for writing and sharing your views with me........." It goes on to explain what a Continuing Resolution is and that the one did pass and debt ceiling raised (thank goodness that I have his office to keep me abreast of recent news).
He ends with "please let me know if you would like us to keep you up to date on what is happening in Congress" (NOW I understand why newspapers are struggling -- Congressional aides have taken over as news providers.
No real response to my points, which is not at all surprising. However, I was surprised that he took the time to have an aide print out a form letter and mail it to me.
M
I email Senator Jeff Sessions and he always writes back and I hate it , it actually pisses me off more when I hear what he has to say .