New numbers! Video update coming soon.

[Etay1207]

Hello everybody. I just got off the phone with my nurse and she gave me my new numbers. My VL is half what it was last July. My tcells dropped a little.  VL: 322,000.   CD4: 52.  CD4%: 5.8   I will make another video when I recieve my WBC. That was really low last Nov. when I last got bloodwork done. It dropped to 1.8 in the beginning of Nov. Retested a week later and it was 2.9. No illness to speak of. I went to a cardiologist for chestpains and he couldn't find anything wrong. Told me I had gas and to try and antacid. WOW! what a difference!!! I'm a truck driver so I don't move around as much as I use to.

[skeebo1969]

   You should do a video of you driving your truck while eating rolaids.  Thanks for the update!

[skeebo1969]

   You should do a video of you driving your truck while eating rolaids.  Thanks for the update!

  I agree with Skeebo.

[Inchlingblue]

LOL, I love it how you use an exclamation point when you write "New numbers!" implying that you're excited or happy about it.

Most people with those numbers would be wringing their hands with fear and worry—more power to you! I guess?

  I agree with Skeebo.

Skeebo you crack me up.

[leatherman]

VL: 322,000.   CD4: 52.
WOW!

wow is right. my partner had a vl of 300,000 and cd4 of 119 when they found 3 tumors of non-hodgkins lymphoma in him. He was dead 60 days later 

Out of curiosity, how much damage are you going to allow to happen to your immune system before you "try" to do something about it? Regardless of how you "feel", the science clearly shows that your immune system is terribly compromised. Do you have a point where you will take meds and hope that they are able to bring you back from the brink? cd4s at 20? 10? 0?!?! Do you not believe in preventative medicine? Or are you just planning to wait until it's totally destroyed before doing anything? Inquiring minds would like to know 

[Matty the Damned]

Does anyone else here have problems with the audio in Etay's videos? For Matty the Damned it's always garbled beyond intelligibility.

For a while I suspect my flash plugin, but his videos are the only ones I have this problem with.

MtD
(Who thinks Etay is a handsome chap but has no idea what he's saying)

[john33]

no i have the same probleme too, thought it was just my hearing or something.

John
(who's gran used too say God helps them that help themselves)

[aferstilo]

WHy is he being allowed to come back here all he is doing is making people question HIV i know he did with me, he had me reading fo rhours and hours and im not going to lie it really confused me. I had to stop reading before i started thinking stupid.

[Hellraiser]

Does anyone else here have problems with the audio in Etay's videos? For Matty the Damned it's always garbled beyond intelligibility.

For a while I suspect my flash plugin, but his videos are the only ones I have this problem with.

MtD
(Who thinks Etay is a handsome chap but has no idea what he's saying)

Matty try playing it backwards.  Everything is backwards in Australia.

[john33]

  Everything is backwards in Australia.

I hate to say this as a northener, but Matty might think the same about us it's all in the perspective lol

[Matty the Damned]

Matty try playing it backwards.  Everything is backwards in Australia.

Upside down, honey. These be the antipodes.

MtD

[john33]

ooooops!
i have to say my diction is getting improved tonight

[Matty the Damned]

VL: 322,000.   CD4: 52.  CD4%: 5.8

For the record, this is a terrible set of numbers - "trends over time" notwithstanding.

Etay, your health is in enormous peril. The damage that is being done to your cell mediated immune system is not just considerable but may be (in some respects at least) irreversible.

Continue along this path and you are doomed to die a dreadful, gruesome and wholly avoidable death

So good luck with that. I am not here to beseech you to change your ways. May you serve as an example to others of how you shouldn't manage AIDS.

MtD

[Inchlingblue]

VL: 322,000.   CD4: 52.  CD4%: 5.8

For the record, this is a terrible set of numbers - "trends over time" notwithstanding.

Etay, your health is in enormous peril. The damage that is being done to your cell mediated immune system is not just considerable but may be (in some respects at least) irreversible.

Continue along this path and you are doomed to die a dreadful, gruesome and wholly avoidable death

So good luck with that. I am not here to beseech you to change your ways. May you serve as an example to others of how you shouldn't manage AIDS.

MtD

Duly noted but: was his previous thread during your exile? Are you familiar with the expression "falling on deaf ears"?

LINK:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=30815.msg376563#msg376563

[Matty the Damned]

Duly noted but: was his previous thread during your exile? Are you familiar with the expression "falling on deaf ears"?

LINK:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=30815.msg376563#msg376563

In fact I commented in that thread, so no, it was not during in my sojourn in the Underworld. But your pointy tone indicates you knew that.

My comments which you have quoted are not really directed at Etay, but rather to another audience.

MtD

[Inchlingblue]

In fact I commented in that thread, so no, it was not during in my sojourn in the Underworld. But your pointy tone indicates you knew that.

My comments which you have quoted are not really directed at Etay, but rather to another audience.

MtD

Not pointy, never pointy

Just trying to avoid deja vu all over again, as it were.

The "Etay Paradox" vis a vis these forums is that if (or rather, when) he, ahem, succumbs, no one here will be the wiser. It's like a train wreck but in another dimension.

[Matty the Damned]

Not pointy, never pointy

Just trying to avoid deja vu all over again, as it were.

The "Etay Paradox" vis a vis these forums is that if (or rather, when) he, ahem, succumbs, no one here will be the wiser. It's like a train wreck but in another dimension.

Pointy has its place. Never underestimate the value of a pointy tone. 

In a perverse way I think Etay (on his current trajectory) could be a most instructive figure. That said, I hope he alters course.

MtD

[skeebo1969]

Retested a week later and it was 2.9. No illness to speak of. I went to a cardiologist for chestpains and he couldn't find anything wrong. Told me I had gas and to try and antacid. WOW! what a difference!!! I'm a truck driver so I don't move around as much as I use to.

YouTube.com/etay1207 

With his happy go lucky title and this section above, Etay is coming here gently spewing his denialist stance.  He is also a member of a denialist forum which denounces much of what we all know here.  Fuck Atripla, just pop antacids and you'll be fine or "wow what a difference"...  low Cd4's, big deal never felt better.... and don't forget the classic, " I was so happy to get my AIDS diagnosis" .  

I guess everyone has a right to get their message out.

[Inchlingblue]

In a perverse way I think Etay (on his current trajectory) could be a most instructive figure. That said, I hope he alters course

I agree but my point, above, is how can he be instructive if there's no one around to tell the tale? If he were to disappear from the forums what are we to assume? For all anyone knows he and his 50 Tcells could be vacationing in Hawaii.

Fuck Atripla, just pop antacids and you'll be fine or "wow what a difference"... 

I love it, "fuck Atripla, where's my Rolaids?" LOL

[Matty the Damned]

I agree but my point, above, is how can he be instructive if there's no one around to tell the tale? If he were to disappear from the forums what are we to assume? For all anyone knows he and his 50 Tcells could be vacationing in Hawaii.

Absolutely. Though I'm sure we will get "I've just been diagnosed with <insert catastrophic OI or neoplasm here> but I'm confident the Lord will deliver me" updates.

Admittedly not as instructive as a "My friend Etay lost his battle with AIDS yesterday . . . " update but of some value nonetheless.

MtD

[skeebo1969]

Admittedly not as instructive as a "My friend Etay lost his battle with AIDS yesterday . . . " update but of some value nonetheless.

MtD

Yea, but they'll probably say something to effect of "Our heavenly Father has called on Etay to drive his rig on roads paved of gold"...  Doubt if AIDS would even be mentioned as a factor, actually it wouldn't surprise me if said friend blames the makers of Rolaids for Etay's demise. 

[Inchlingblue]

For anyone who might be confused about whether or not to take ARV meds if they have HIV (such as afterstilo, above):

Christine Joy Maggiore (July 25, 1956–December 27, 2008) was an HIV-positive activist who promoted the view that HIV was not the cause of AIDS.[1][2] She was the founder of Alive & Well AIDS Alternatives, an organization which questions the link between HIV and AIDS and encourages HIV-positive pregnant women to avoid anti-HIV medication.[3] Maggiore authored and self-published the book What If Everything You Thought You Knew about AIDS Was Wrong?

Maggiore's promotion of AIDS denialism had long been controversial, particularly since her 3-year-old daughter, Eliza Jane Scovill, died of Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia and untreated AIDS. Consistent with her belief that HIV was harmless, Maggiore had not taken medication to reduce the risk of transmission of HIV to her daughter during pregnancy, and she did not have Eliza Jane tested for HIV during her daughter's lifetime.[4][3] Maggiore hired a veterinary toxicologist (and AIDS denialist) to review the autopsy report. The toxicologist produced a report attributing Eliza Jane's death to an allergic reaction to amoxicillin, rather than AIDS.[4] Maggiore herself died on December 27, 2008 after suffering from several AIDS-related conditions.[5]

On December 27, 2008, Maggiore died at the age of 52. She was under a doctor's care and was being treated for what was originally reported as pneumonia. The Los Angeles County coroner's office stated Maggiore had been treated for pneumonia in the six months prior to her death as well.[27] A doctor familiar with the family noted that anti-HIV drugs could have prevented her death, but Maggiore's fellow AIDS denialists argued that her pneumonia was not related to AIDS and suggested instead that she died as a result of a toxic alternative medicine "holistic cleanse", or stress, or the cold and flu.[27][20] No autopsy or biopsy evidence was recorded.

Maggiore's death certificate states that the cause of death was disseminated herpes virus [disambiguation needed] infection and bilateral pneumonia, with oral candidiasis as a contributing cause, all of which are related to HIV infection. The death certificate also states there was no autopsy or biopsy performed.[5]

Continued . . .

LINK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore

[tednlou2]

I just can't figure this guy out.  Is he crying out for help or what?  He can do what he wants with his health.  As I said previously, ETay, can you designate someone to inform us of what happens to you when you're no longer able to do so?  I'm not being overly dramatic here.  I'm very serious.  We will be able to share his story with others who think you can ignore HIV.  When someone comes along thinking HIV is no big deal, we can tell them what happened to Etay.

Etay, the jury is in on what happens to HIVers with no meds.  You don't have to do your own personal medical study.  It has been done.  I said I wasn't going to respond again to this, but here I am doing it.   I will give you one thing:  If you are telling the truth about your HIV status and numbers, you must be one calm and anxiety-free person.  I worry everyday with my numbers.  I wish I had some of that worry-free personality.  However, you can keep your denialism.  

I wish ya the best in this journey you've chosen to take.  I hope you can prove science wrong and maybe you're actually Superman and just never knew it.  

[leatherman]

goodness. this thread has gone a bit off course, like the last one he posted. I bet Etay never responds much to this one either. Damn! I keep hoping he'll explain why he bothers to get tested for counts and exactly what his medical healthcare plan is. He obviously trusts the medical science far enough for the labs, but doesn't want to carry that over to trusting the science about the meds. However, he did tell us last time that he just wanted to post his "happy comments" and really didn't want to respond to our questions, so it was probably just a pipe dream thinking he'd say much more in this thread anyway. 

[PeteNYNJ]

Guys

He will never answer you unless you agree with him.

Not to be a bitch - but if someone in such poor health (YES your health sucks) drives a truck isnt it crazy for us to just smile about that?  Couldn't he stroke out and kill people with those numbes (I am thinking if maybe Taxo is attacking his brain).

Ugh, this dude drives me nuts.  He is a denialist who should be bannned!!!!! 

Ann...help?!?!?

[mecch]

Why do you go to a cardiologist for chest pains, but not an hiv specialist for destroyed immunity?
The cardiologist said nothing about your raging untreated HIV infection?

[Dachshund]

suckers

[veritas]

Etay seems to be using a type of philosophy called "logical positivism" in reverse (illogical positivism). Logical positivism seeks to credit verifiable scientific law as knowledgeable while dismissing unverifiable propositions as nonsense. Etay is flying in the face of science. Since his position can't be confirmed empirically, his action is nonsense and meaningless. I believe it is reasonable to not pursue it further.

Dachshund's post rings true.

v

[Rev. Moon]

suckers

tee-hee 

[Moffie65]

God, Roll AIDS brings back some gruesome memories for some of the membership in this forum, me being one of them!!!!

Etay, quit laughing in the face of God! and either get your shit together, or check out of here.  God gave you the gift of HIV and a brain, both at the same time.  Why did you place the brain on hold and leave it all up to an ignorant virus. ??  Most Christians I know would have already started to fight this thing, because God allowed this challenge into your life to give you something to do.   Do It!!

[Matty the Damned]

Etay seems to be using a type of philosophy called "logical positivism" in reverse (illogical positivism). Logical positivism seeks to credit verifiable scientific law as knowledgeable while dismissing unverifiable propositions as nonsense. Etay is flying in the face of science. Since his position can't be confirmed empirically, his action is nonsense and meaningless. I believe it is reasonable to not pursue it further.

Dachshund's post rings true.

v

Duzzn't matter if the Doxie is right. That ain't the point.

Pretty much everyone who posts here has to be taken at their word, Etay is no different.

MtD

[WillyWump]

Hello everybody. I just got off the phone with my nurse and she gave me my new numbers. My VL is half what it was last July. My tcells dropped a little.  VL: 322,000.   CD4: 52.  CD4%: 5.8   I will make another video when I recieve my WBC. That was really low last Nov. when I last got bloodwork done. It dropped to 1.8 in the beginning of Nov. Retested a week later and it was 2.9. No illness to speak of. I went to a cardiologist for chestpains and he couldn't find anything wrong. Told me I had gas and to try and antacid. WOW! what a difference!!! I'm a truck driver so I don't move around as much as I use to.

YouTube.com/etay1207 

*YAWN* ....back to my knitting.

[leatherman]

hey Etay!
where'e the new vid, man? Get with it. LOL

Here in 2010, if you announce something like that, you oughta get it online within 24 hrs. Better yet, post it first THEN announce it. You don't want to be one of those people who say they are going to do something and never come through, now do you? LOL

[veritas]

MTD,

Your quote: "Pretty much everyone who posts here has to be taken at their word, Etay is no different."

While I believe your statement to be true in general terms, Etay's actions seem to be born from an infantile need for security, the childish hope of escaping from time and chance. His postulation is dangerous because it caters to wishful thinking. The idea of wishful thinking ( hoping to defeat the virus , without therapy) could survive and spread. I, for one, certainly don't want newly infected to believe that his actions are viable. They're not !

v

[Rev. Moon]

hey Etay!
where'e the new vid, man? Get with it. LOL

I'll wait for the DVD.

[Matty the Damned]

MTD,

Your quote: "Pretty much everyone who posts here has to be taken at their word, Etay is no different."

While I believe your statement to be true in general terms, Etay's actions seem to be born from an infantile need for security, the childish hope of escaping from time and chance. His postulation is dangerous because it caters to wishful thinking. The idea of wishful thinking ( hoping to defeat the virus , without therapy) could survive and spread. I, for one, certainly don't want newly infected to believe that his actions are viable. They're not !

v

I'm not really reflecting on what makes this character do the things he's doing. He claims to be a pentecostal, so I feel pretty confident in asserting that he's not working off the most rational of bases.

The suggestion from a few here is that we're being taken for chumps by this fellow.  This is most likely true. There's a more than even chance we're being trolled.

But it don't matter.

There is always something instructive to be had from things like this. In this case it's an opportunity to show some newly diagnosed folks what you don't do when managing AIDS.

MtD

[PeteNYNJ]

Deleted because I was asked by the moderators to back off this guy and I am respectful of their decision.

Sorry if anyone took offense.

[veritas]

MTD,

Your quote: "There is always something instructive to be had from things like this. In this case it's an opportunity to show some newly diagnosed folks what you don't do when managing AIDS."

Although the potential learning experience to be derived here is a good one, the final act will never be played out as Inch said earlier. This lesson, if Etay is being truthful here, can only end with the inevitable conclusion ..... his demise, which we will never know about.. If he is playing us as chumps, then his postulations survive and possibly spread.
Either way, there is really no point to contiue this thread.

I agree with PeteNYNJ.  I don't see the good this is doing.

v

.

[Theyer]

Welcome back Etay, glad that you decided again to keep in touch with us, can we please have some pics off you driving your truck.

Could your next u-tube include your Doctor and you discussing your situation, now do not let those 80 hours off driving stop you posting.

[Grasshopper]

Moderators

Go to this guys youtube and you will see he is linked too denailists and almost all his comments (besides mine which was attacked) are from denailist

Ban this guy!!!

Pete

Come on Sir....you went to another website, picked a fight overthere by calling people douchebag; you then get bashed and come here screaming to ban the OP, ....here where he not once gave you an ounce of attention ??

I much rather prefer this line of thought:

There is always something instructive to be had from things like this. In this case it's an opportunity to show some newly diagnosed folks what you don't do when managing AIDS.

MtD

[anniebc]

suckers

I'll drink to that Dach ..it really does surprise me that so called Intelligent people get themselves dragged into utter BS from people like Etay...seriously guys ..when are you going to learn not to feed the idiots of this world..and before anyone decides to jump up and down on me i have to say...I don't care what his frigging God says..he is not going to make it.

Stop feeding him and let him go, there is nothing we can do for him..you guys have all tried, it's now time to say enough is enough.

Jan

[Alain]

Amen! And God bless him!

[skeebo1969]

   I swear I can hear the song Like A Bridge Over Troubled Watersplaying everytime I read this thread.  Can anyone else hear it?

[Rev. Moon]

   I swear I can hear the song Like A Bridge Over Troubled Watersplaying everytime I read this thread.  Can anyone else hear it?

Hmmm... no.  I didn't know you wanted to comfort Etay so badly.

I actually hear this song playing in my mind (well, the first verse for sure).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRZYprnuqNk

[Joe K]

This guy is a joke and the sooner you stop feeding the troll, the sooner he will go away. I hate watching all of you trying to help someone who is playing you. As I said in the other thread, this guy does not go to doctors, his numbers are fantasy and even if he is real, who cares? He believes that HIV will not kill him and so let's let him find out how that works out. If he wants to die, then fine, let him do it in silence.

[Theyer]

Skeebo1969---yes I hear it but then Just a Spoon full off Sugar helps the Medicine crashes in-------

[tokyodecadence]

In the words of a great man....suckers.

[Etay1207]

Sorry guys, I wasn't totally clear in my first post. I will be making a new video later this month. I have another appointment with the cardiologist on the 22nd. He's gonna do an echo and a stress test. He doesn't think anythings wrong with my heart but because of my family history of heart disease he wants to make sure everything's ok. Yes, he did give me a lecture about taking meds. I am also waiting to get my WBC numbers. Right now I'm still playing in this snow. What happened to global warming?

[skeebo1969]

  Etay,

    You forgot to mention that you are playing in the snow in nothing but your boxer briefs... ya know, like for added effect.

What happened to global warming?

 It's all a lie.. 

[tednlou2]

WHAT HAPPENED TO GLOBAL WARMING?

In my previous post, I was almost going to say I bet you don't believe in global warming either.  However, I didn't want to be too bitchy.  You may have said this as a joke as I've heard many do about all the snow storms, but I think it may tell more about you.  You are a denialist at heart.  You don't believe in science and rely on religious superstition. 

 

[mpositive]

Stealing the thread!

So, I was walking in the park the other day (yea right, me walking in the park), and I happened to notice a raccoon eating what appeared to be a lobster tail.  As I could simply walk away, I decided to further investigate this matter.  So, I proceeded to sneak up on the raccoon (is that possible?) to get a better view.  Indeed, this raccoon was having a surf and turf meal with extra butter.  I had to wonder if his parents ever explained to him the potential damage he was doing to his heart and arteries with such afatty meal?   I guess not. 
Comments......?    M

[skeebo1969]

Stealing the thread!

So, I was walking in the park the other day (yea right, me walking in the park), and I happened to notice a raccoon eating what appeared to be a lobster tail.  As I could simply walk away, I decided to further investigate this matter.  So, I proceeded to sneak up on the raccoon (is that possible?) to get a better view.  Indeed, this raccoon was having a surf and turf meal with extra butter.  I had to wonder if his parents ever explained to him the potential damage he was doing to his heart and arteries with such afatty meal?   I guess not. 
Comments......?    M

Someone must have picked up one of those special prescriptions yesterday.  

[Ann]

Etay, I removed the link to your video in your other thread and in this thread. As you have links on your page to denialist websites, do not post links to your You Tube page again. We do not allow members to link to denialist websites and it is a bannable offence. You are very close to being banned as it is.

Ann

[mpositive]

First....I love you Ann....you rock!

Second....Skeebo!!!  My brotha from anotha motha!   LOL.   Naaa...nothing too special...well, I did drink some really good Almond Milk, but other that that, the same ole toxic nuclear concoctions.   
M

[Rev. Moon]

Stealing the thread!

So, I was walking in the park the other day (yea right, me walking in the park), and I happened to notice a raccoon eating what appeared to be a lobster tail. 

A raccoon eating sea-food? His hair's gon' fall off like Skeebo's.

[Joe K]

I am having a very hard time understanding why this guy hasn't been banned. I fail to see how anything is gained by allowing this denialist to post made up numbers and suggest that he is doing fine, with HIV and his "supposed" numbers. I always thought that this site shunned such posters and I am really trying to understand how he is allowed to continue posting. His posts prove nothing, as he cannot even be honest with himself, let alone all of us here. I believe you are actually giving him some credibility, by allowing his drivel to be posted in this respected forum.

Can someone please enlighten me on why his threads and are not locked and he is not banned.

[Hellraiser]

I am having a very hard time understanding why this guy hasn't been banned. I fail to see how anything is gained by allowing this denialist to post made up numbers and suggest that he is doing fine, with HIV and his "supposed" numbers. I always thought that this site shunned such posters and I am really trying to understand how he is allowed to continue posting. His posts prove nothing, as he cannot even be honest with himself, let alone all of us here. I believe you are actually giving him some credibility, by allowing his drivel to be posted in this respected forum.

Can someone please enlighten me on why his threads and are not locked and he is not banned.

I have worse numbers than him.  I look and feel fine.  You can't judge a book by it's cover.  You can however judge a denialist by it's youtube links.  Don't feed the troll.

[mpositive]

Ok...that was the point of me stealing the thread.       LET ME HAVE IT BACK!     

[Ann]

Ok...that was the point of me stealing the thread.       LET ME HAVE IT BACK!     

Well, knock it off already. If some of you don't like this thread, why do you keep pulling it back up to the top of the page?

[sdguyloveslife]

Etay, I removed the link to your video in your other thread and in this thread. As you have links on your page to denialist websites, do not post links to your You Tube page again. We do not allow members to link to denialist websites and it is a bannable offence. You are very close to being banned as it is.

Ann

Well, it's about time!  It's not a ban, but at least one step closer.  Welcome back Ann!   

[Joe K]

Hey Etay,

I wish to apologize for asking that you be banned. After thinking about your situation and with the help of a very good friend, I believe I have mis-judged your intentions in posting here. No matter what anyone tells you, HIV can and will kill you, if you leave it untreated. This is scientific fact, that has been established for decades and I have lost hundreds of my friends and loved ones to HIV. I urge you to read the posts in the forums, from real people living with HIV, you will begin to see how you must take charge of your own health. Many of the people who spread mis-information regarding HIV, have never lived with the disease, nor are they qualified to speak to the realities of living with HIV.

I hope you stay and I invite you to ask questions, even the tough ones and we will do the best we can to answer you. I think I speak for many forum members, when I say that we are afraid that you are confused on what it means to be HIV positive. We know that you can live with HIV and have a long and fulfilling life, but we also know that to do that, you must treat your health and that includes your HIV. I fear that you will wait too long, without treatment and one day, a disease will hit you, but your immune system will be so destroyed, that you will have no chance to recover. I promise you that such a death will be horrible, as I have witnessed many of them.

I hope through extending my hand to you, that you will not become one of them.

[skeebo1969]

  Aww man, I can't take this... this is a great excuse to roll a blunt right now.

[mpositive]

<><><><>   confusion sets in <><><><>   

[WillyWump]

Hey Etay,

I wish to apologize for asking that you be banned. After thinking about your situation and with the help of a very good friend, I believe I have mis-judged your intentions in posting here. No matter what anyone tells you, HIV can and will kill you, if you leave it untreated. This is scientific fact, that has been established for decades and I have lost hundreds of my friends and loved ones to HIV. I urge you to read the posts in the forums, from real people living with HIV, you will begin to see how you must take charge of your own health. Many of the people who spread mis-information regarding HIV, have never lived with the disease, nor are they qualified to speak to the realities of living with HIV.

I hope you stay and I invite you to ask questions, even the tough ones and we will do the best we can to answer you. I think I speak for many forum members, when I say that we are afraid that you are confused on what it means to be HIV positive. We know that you can live with HIV and have a long and fulfilling life, but we also know that to do that, you must treat your health and that includes your HIV. I fear that you will wait too long, without treatment and one day, a disease will hit you, but your immune system will be so destroyed, that you will have no chance to recover. I promise you that such a death will be horrible, as I have witnessed many of them.

I hope through extending my hand to you, that you will not become one of them.

I have to agree with Killfoile. The more we ridicule Etay (and I was one of them) the more we are pushing him away from possibly "seeing the light" about the necessity of HAART. I'm not certain what his intentions are for being a part of these forums, or what he is looking for here...perhaps he's confused, maybe he is looking for information, maybe it's an attention grab "look at me, I have horrible numbers and I am not on Meds" or maybe he does intend to have some of us question the use of HAART. But until he directly advocates denialism in these threads, and is banned for doing so, I think we have an opportunity to show him how he has made a bad decision to forego Meds. I applaud the Mods decision to warn him and remove his reference to a denialist website. Now we are on more of an even playing field.

Yes, it boils my blood to see some of his posts, but I will try to be open to discourse with him. In my opinion there is still hope that some day Etay will make the good choice to begin HAART, yes, I am an eternal optimist.

Etay, I know you dont post often, but I hope you have spent alot of time reading in the Forums and I hope you might have gained a better understanding of HAART, and what it can do for you. I will try not to shut you out if you chose to open up some more, all denialism aside.

-Will

[skeebo1969]

   Etay,

    I'm with Joe and Willy on this.  I apologize for my lack of compassion for a fellow pozzie.  I think I can in confidence say that many of us here are extremely concerned for you, and from what I can tell you are a very likeable guy.  Those two things alone may be the reason so many of us were coming out of left field at you.  I hope you understand.

[Dennis]

LOL! Funny how it took over 200 posts for you all to finally realize the benefits of not banning or ridiculing a fellow member and to keep the discussion open; even for those who happen to go against groupthink. Isn't this what mech, I and few others have been stating since etay started posting?

Amazing! All that wasted time talking about banning and overall negative energy for nothing.

[skeebo1969]

LOL! Funny how it took over 200 posts for you all to finally realize the benefits of not banning or ridiculing a fellow member and to keep the discussion open; even for those who happen to go against groupthink. Isn't this what mech, I and few others have been stating since etay started posting?

Amazing! All that wasted time talking about banning and overall negative energy for nothing.

Well Dennis as you very well know, being the planner of past AMG events and all, you stand on a different planetary plane than the rest of us.  You are almost God like and in your avatar I can make out a faint halo.  I meant to tell you about it earlier, but I figured I would wait till you made some incredible revelation.

You should change your name to something more fitting like Joseph or Ezra...

[mpositive]

[WillyWump]

LOL! Funny how it took over 200 posts for you all to finally realize the benefits of not banning or ridiculing a fellow member and to keep the discussion open; even for those who happen to go against groupthink. Isn't this what mech, I and few others have been stating since etay started posting?

Amazing! All that wasted time talking about banning and overall negative energy for nothing.

Yes Dennis, I may have strayed, but in the end I see the light and am humbled as I kneel before you in all your glory

-Will

[Basquo]

Well Dennis as you very well know, being the planner of past AMG events and all, you stand on a different planetary plane than the rest of us.  You are almost God like and in your avatar I can make out a faint halo.  I meant to tell you about it earlier, but I figured I would wait till you made some incredible revelation.

You should change your name to something more fitting like Joseph or Ezra...

Okay, Skeebs, I gotta say that was a little much! 

You, too, Will.


Dennis is very God-like but it has nothing to do with AMG.

Nothing.

The God-like thing is because he's cute.

[skeebo1969]

Okay, Skeebs, I gotta say that was a little much! 

Because it's you sir I will apologize profusely... 

I am so sorry Mr. Dennis!

[PeteNYNJ]

I think we should go one better and give Etay his own forum on here.  He is obviously the most interesting person on here and has to be handled with kid gloves.  You can all go worship over there.

My last post was about barfing up my Kaletra and should I retake the dosage.  That brought about 2 people out to respond.  Maybe I should have made a video of this - some people are more visual.

Better yet i should have named the thread "Vomited after taking Kaletra (which doesn't work anyway because only the power of prayer cures HIV).  I might have gotten everyone to come running to offer there advice
 

[Dennis]

Yes Dennis, I may have strayed, but in the end I see the light and am humbled as I kneel before you in all your glory

-Will

And while you're down there...

[GNYC09]

I think we should go one better and give Etay his own forum on here.  He is obviously the most interesting person on here and has to be handled with kid gloves.  You can all go worship over there.

My last post was about barfing up my Kaletra and should I retake the dosage.  That brought about 2 people out to respond.  Maybe I should have made a video of this - some people are more visual.

Better yet i should have named the thread "Vomited after taking Kaletra (which doesn't work anyway because only the power of prayer cures HIV).  I might have gotten everyone to come running to offer there advice
 

so what's the issue - that people are still posting here or that you think people didn't pay enough attention to your post?   Just trying to get at the root of what you're really upset about...

[Dennis]

Well Dennis as you very well know, being the planner of past AMG events and all, you stand on a different planetary plane than the rest of us.  You are almost God like and in your avatar I can make out a faint halo.  I meant to tell you about it earlier, but I figured I would wait till you made some incredible revelation.

You should change your name to something more fitting like Joseph or Ezra...

Aahhh...the ever popular attack on Dennis through an AMG correlation. How AMG fits into this thread, I'll never know. But if that's all you got, go with it I guess. 

[Matty the Damned]

And now some begin to get it.

For the record Etay wouldn't be the first proto-denialist who rocked up here only to change his tune later when exposure to the cold hard facts did its work.

MtD

/edit: clarification/

[skeebo1969]

Aahhh...the ever popular attack on Dennis through an AMG correlation. How AMG fits into this thread, I'll never know. But if that's all you got, go with it I guess.  

Dear Terminator, I would like to request permission to rescind my apology.  To be honest I was just poking fun at you, I forgot how delicate of an issue the AMG was for you.  Actually since I never attend, I never realized the magnitude of misfortune my above post must have caused you.  I hope you are OK, but I am still taking back my apology.

[Hellraiser]

I think we should go one better and give Etay his own forum on here.  He is obviously the most interesting person on here and has to be handled with kid gloves.  You can all go worship over there.

My last post was about barfing up my Kaletra and should I retake the dosage.  That brought about 2 people out to respond.  Maybe I should have made a video of this - some people are more visual.

Better yet i should have named the thread "Vomited after taking Kaletra (which doesn't work anyway because only the power of prayer cures HIV).  I might have gotten everyone to come running to offer there advice
 

I would've responded but I didn't know what to tell you.  I had been wondering the same thing because every once in a while I'll wake up in the middle of the night kind of nauseous but I haven't vomited my meds up yet.  I was thinking just stick to your regular med schedule, maybe go a little early.  A little early won't hurt you too bad, a little short potentially might?  I dunno man.

[Joe K]

Thank you Dennis for that "I told you so" moment.  Next time, why don't you start your own thread to take swipes at people.  Pete, what the hell do you want? You posted about your barfing your meds, we took care of you, so why are you so pissed at this poor guy, who obviously needs much more guidance that you do? I came back to this thread, to apologize, because matty had it right: we need to take each poster at face value, until they actually do something that is against the forum rules.

I don't see how hijacking his thread is going to encourage him to respond.

[PeteNYNJ]

Quote from: PeteNYNJ on Today at 10:33:55 pm
I think we should go one better and give Etay his own forum on here.  He is obviously the most interesting person on here and has to be handled with kid gloves.  You can all go worship over there.

My last post was about barfing up my Kaletra and should I retake the dosage.  That brought about 2 people out to respond.  Maybe I should have made a video of this - some people are more visual.

Better yet i should have named the thread "Vomited after taking Kaletra (which doesn't work anyway because only the power of prayer cures HIV).  I might have gotten everyone to come running to offer there advice
 


so what's the issue - that people are still posting here or that you think people didn't pay enough attention to your post?   Just trying to get at the root of what you're really upset about.../quote]

I was being more sarcastic than angry.  I just find it silly that people really only seem to respond to this when they are ridiculous in nature (myself included).  

The thing I don't really like is told how to respond to Etay because I guess he is too 'delicate' for tough love.     I wish him luck but I think he kinda gets a kick out of pushing people's buttons.  

And Killfoile, I appreciated the help I got from you and skeebo but I am not here to encourage him to respond.  I don't really care because I think he is full of it.

Sorry if this is considered a hijack (also sorry that I can't seem to figure out how to get my response out of the darker shadow part on here).

[tednlou2]

I see both sides of the argument.  To keep responding to Etay or not?  On the one hand, it is like Dr. Bob on thebody answering question after question about whether you can give yourself HIV or whether your cat gave ya HIV or whether you can catch HIV from a fart--no joke, real question.  He answers so many stupid questions that I'm sure he can't answer serious questions--people in need of advice about PEP.  I know this happened to someone who needed advice about PEP.  Dr. Bob finally responded a week later--well after PEP would work.  In the meantime, he was answering one stupid question after another.  They say there is no such thing as a stupid question, but many of these are.  Can you give yourself HIV??  WTF!

On the other hand, I guess he is educating those people.  So maybe we should keep trying to educate Etay with the truth.  It seems obvious he has been brainwashed by the deniers.  It is almost the exact same thing with my former partner.  He turned into a big religious nut and thinks God will heal him.  I'm not saying all religious people are nuts--just the ones who think God will cure a disease or you are somehow different than everyone else because you have a special relationship with God. 

[Dennis]

Dear Terminator, I would like to request permission to rescind my apology.  To be honest I was just poking fun at you, I forgot how delicate of an issue the AMG was for you.  Actually since I never attend, I never realized the magnitude of misfortune my above post must have caused you.  I hope you are OK, but I am still taking back my apology.

Yes, Skeebs. I think I'll be O.K. Thanks for your concern. And by all means, feel free to retract your apology. I wouldn't want you to feel pressured by another member to post something you simply don't feal. An apology to me would simply open you up to a witch hunt because it probably goes against the groupthink of AM members.

Dennis (who's know you're just poking fun)

Beside, how can I take someone seriously who's hair is drenched in motor oil? 

[Dennis]

Thank you Dennis for that "I told you so" moment.  Next time, why don't you start your own thread to take swipes at people.  Pete, what the hell do you want? You posted about your barfing your meds, we took care of you, so why are you so pissed at this poor guy, who obviously needs much more guidance that you do? I came back to this thread, to apologize, because matty had it right: we need to take each poster at face value, until they actually do something that is against the forum rules.

I don't see how hijacking his thread is going to encourage him to respond.

Please! This thread was dead long before my "I told you so post." I believe it died once the witch hunt started 70 something or so posts ago. It wasn't I who closed the dialogue with Etay. He has continuosly been attacked for his personal views and choices, as well as an all out request for him to be banned (despite not breaking any rules of AM other than having reference to denialist info on his "personal" website, which he was applicably warned about). Some have even made horrible remarks about his supposed death. And we question why Etay doesn't participate more?

[Ann]

I give up. I'm locking this thread.

Etay, please feel free to start a new thread. I'm not locking this thread on your account, I'm locking it because some people just don't know how to stop hijacking a thread.