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Title: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 10:47:53 pm
more to come...
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 10:49:19 pm
We're soon getting special live broadcast from the President. Bin Laden's been killed by US forces in an "incident" which is to be described shortly. Result of a US action. And the US has his body.
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: OneTampa on May 01, 2011, 10:50:06 pm
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/obama-to-announce-osama-bin-laden-is-dead-cbs-news_100532413.html
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 10:51:47 pm
Thanks One Tampa! Our Prez will be on momentarily.
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 01, 2011, 11:13:37 pm
So, I'm watching Brother's and Sister's and then a Special Report comes on.  I was shocked by this.  I will be very interested to hear whether this president was pushing hard to get this done and that is why it happened, or just by chance.  Bin Ladin can no longer be the boogy-man out there. 
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 01, 2011, 11:15:17 pm
President Obama 4 life! HOLLA!
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:16:11 pm
This TRUMPS a fucking birth certificate presentation don't it?
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 01, 2011, 11:17:57 pm
CNN is saying it was a human asset (I'll assume CIA or similar) and not a drone attack, in a mansion in or near Islamabad, Pakistan.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 01, 2011, 11:26:59 pm
I'm also reading that this actually happened a week ago.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:30:51 pm
Say what? A week ago?


Anchor Brian Williams just asserted that this is one of those moments that people will remember where they were when they heard of his death.

Yup, I can imagine (not) saying at a ladies luncheon, " Well, Barbara, I was on the AIDSmeds forum when I heard the news interrupt Donald Trump's " Celebrity Apprentice! Imagine I was waiting to learn if Nene Leakes or Starr Jones was the team member heading for a firing! Oh girl, how ironic, you know, listening to Trump's program when the President interrupted."  

Apparently, a bundle of calls must be made to a slew of committees before it can be announced live.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: JeffInNYC on May 01, 2011, 11:33:29 pm
I'm also reading that this actually happened a week ago.

They have his body in custody and it took this long to announce because they had to do the DNA testing.  Pres Obama did not want to announce anything until there was no doubt that Osama was indeed killed.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 01, 2011, 11:34:49 pm
They have his body in custody and it took this long to announce because they had to do the DNA testing.  Pres Obama did not want to announce anything until there was no doubt that Osama was indeed killed.


You think my college degree prevented me from figuring that out?
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: wolfter on May 01, 2011, 11:35:23 pm
This TRUMPS a fucking birth certificate presentation don't it?

It's even funnier that the apprentice was pre-empted for the announcement.  I didn't get to see who was fire though.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: JeffInNYC on May 01, 2011, 11:36:57 pm
You think my college degree prevented me from figuring that out?

not at all..Im sure we all figured that out...just repeating what Im hearing live.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:39:50 pm
Prez says the action happened today, not last week.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 01, 2011, 11:40:42 pm
Now OBAMA THE SECRET MUSLIM is saying the operation happened today  :P
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:41:37 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 01, 2011, 11:42:11 pm
President Obama had been following this lead and ordered the mission.  I don't want to hear about a fucking birth certificate and how this President doesn't have our best interests at heart.  
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 01, 2011, 11:42:24 pm
Prez says the action happened today, not last week.

fyi I got the "last week" thing from Associate Press (click now before they change it!)

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20110501/BREAKINGNEWS/110501011/Update--AP-sources-say-Osama-bin-Laden-killed-last-week-in-Pakistan
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:44:51 pm
I don't doubt it, Miss P.

And Ted, while no president is perfect, I still like this one plenty and both he and we needed this victory.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 01, 2011, 11:45:53 pm
Just hear the part about equal rights for all citizens in this speech about Osama and defending liberty?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:49:02 pm
Just hear the part about equal rights for all citizens in this speech about Osama and defending liberty?

Not following you...do you mean tonight's speech, or did you omit a link?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:50:46 pm
fyi I got the "last week" thing from Associate Press (click now before they change it!)

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20110501/BREAKINGNEWS/110501011/Update--AP-sources-say-Osama-bin-Laden-killed-last-week-in-Pakistan

they still haven't edited their breaking news article -- probably absorbed in lots of other action at the moment
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 01, 2011, 11:55:51 pm
It's even funnier that the apprentice was pre-empted for the announcement.  I didn't get to see who was fire though.

I was watching, too, I wasn't joking around. Now I'll have to go hunting online for who was canned.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 01, 2011, 11:57:45 pm

   I think I just found a photo of Obama posing with Osama's dead body.

   (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxbreXmKfaQcxjtDnLTmpQ2Et4o2ziSEAzgZTy6GCGTazkmqQk)

 
    God I hate it when people die with their eyes open.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on May 01, 2011, 11:59:39 pm
I'm also reading that this actually happened a week ago.

I saw this (from the AP) before I listened to Barry speak, after initially hearing the news on NPR

WASHINGTON – Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind the Sept. 11 attacks against the United States, is dead, and the U.S. is in possession of his body, a person familiar with the situation said late Sunday.

President Barack Obama was expected to address the nation on the developments Sunday night.

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official said bin Laden was killed in a ground operation in Pakistan, not by a Predator drone. The official said it happened last week.

Officials have long believed bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world, was hiding a mountainous region along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak ahead of the president.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 02, 2011, 12:00:32 am
Not following you...do you mean tonight's speech, or did you omit a link?

It was at the end of tonight's briefing/speech.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:01:11 am
OMG -- Skeebs -- where did you find this? I'm howling! Is this new or old?

I predict a lot of flag waving tomorrow!!! I think our country's going to spaz over this.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:02:29 am
It was at the end of tonight's briefing/speech.

Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 02, 2011, 12:06:30 am
"...whether it is prosperity for our people, the struggle for equality for all our citizens...we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because who we are.  One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all."
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:09:08 am
"...whether it is prosperity for our people, the struggle for equality for all our citizens...we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because who we are.  One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all."

Thank you, Ted.

The live footage of folks celebrating outside the White House is just a taste of what's to come once the East Coast wakens to this news tomorrow.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 12:13:25 am
OMG -- Skeebs -- where did you find this? I'm howling! Is this new or old?

I predict a lot of flag waving tomorrow!!! I think our country's going to spaz over this.

old picture....

Wave the flags!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:13:55 am
 I wanna see a DEAD body, like Saddam  then I'll believe it  ???
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:16:29 am
Hey Skeebs,
I found it on Google Images (like the one with Bert, too). How do you insert an image? I just tried and failed. I don't think I've ever uploaded one successfully into a post. I went to the insert image icon, clicked it and it doesn't enable an upload option.
Em
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: leatherman on May 02, 2011, 12:20:33 am
Hey Skeebs,
I found it on Google Images (like the one with Bert, too). How do you insert an image? I just tried and failed. I don't think I've ever uploaded one successfully into a post. I went to the insert image icon, clicked it and it doesn't enable an upload option.
Em
you can't upload images here anymore. You have to get the url to the image and paste it in between the image tags. see this link for more info http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=32457.msg459476#msg459476
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 12:23:35 am
Hey Skeebs,
I found it on Google Images (like the one with Bert, too). How do you insert an image? I just tried and failed. I don't think I've ever uploaded one successfully into a post. I went to the insert image icon, clicked it and it doesn't enable an upload option.
Em

Right click on the picture if it's on the internet and go to properties.  Copy the URL address and insert it between the image link.   That's one way however, it is slightly frowned upon (I still do it sometimes).  The other way is to save it to something like photobucket and paste the direct image link given for your picture.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:26:48 am
okay, I've done what you two advised and have had two failures, back to back. Hmmph. I'll try one more time. (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIO-Q0mReO92y9j0tz-Fp6FJWbz6dX2gLvuw4vHtmQJnrDIiV9)

Yeah, I did it. Thanks Skeebs and Mikie!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 12:28:36 am
This is interesting:

Pakistani press report from several hours ago, and in the town where Obama was captured (http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=5697&Cat=13&dt=5/2/2011)

ABBOTTABAD: Three loud blasts were heard near the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul Road late Sunday night and a military helicopter also crashed. Sources told Geo News that heavy firing was heard in the area before the chopper crashed.

Windowpanes of the nearby buildings and houses were smashed due to the intensity of the blasts, the sources said. Eyewitnesses said first sound of heavy firing was heard and then there was a huge blast. Fire erupted at the scene of the occurrence and according to latest reports police and fire brigade teams were rushing towards the blast scene. Security forces cordoned off the entire area and military helicopters were also hovering over the area.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:30:27 am
Hope we didn't lose any of our guys in this.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:34:45 am
Hope we didn't lose any of our guys in this.

I don't think so, our NAVY SEALS are very good  @ what they do ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 12:35:26 am
(http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 12:36:25 am
This is interesting:

Pakistani press report from several hours ago, and in the town where Obama was captured (http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=5697&Cat=13&dt=5/2/2011)

ABBOTTABAD: Three loud blasts were heard near the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul Road late Sunday night and a military helicopter also crashed. Sources told Geo News that heavy firing was heard in the area before the chopper crashed.
   
I wonder if the helicopter did a Vic Morrow number on ole Osama...  that would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 12:37:47 am
Love the pic, Miss P. Did you create it or find it this swiftly online? I'm going to forward to some folks. If you did it, I want to give credit.
Title: Re: For those in non-US time zones - Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 02, 2011, 01:10:58 am
It's even funnier that the apprentice was pre-empted for the announcement.  I didn't get to see who was fire though.

Well, here's the important bit that some of you missed:  the one who got fired after all the Nene Leakes vs. Star jones drama was the cute but useless Hope Dworaczyk.  She will not be missed.  I'm just glad that Latoya is back  ;D

And now back to our regular Osama programming. 

Ps./ Philicia, that pickchah is FULLAWIN.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 01:14:50 am
  (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgfYL8ZuS8WjHlYIe5eKVCNQzReSr4FLJBi-liKQMtd_juszqDjQ)

  He doesn't look all that bad for someone who has rotted in the desert for a week.....  They took his eyes out so he can't wire bombs in the after life.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 02, 2011, 01:17:48 am
(http://i52.tinypic.com/20a7578.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 02, 2011, 01:27:08 am
 (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgfYL8ZuS8WjHlYIe5eKVCNQzReSr4FLJBi-liKQMtd_juszqDjQ)

  He doesn't look all that bad for someone who has rotted in the desert for a week.....  They took his eyes out so he can't wire bombs in the after life.

Is this a real pic that has been either leaked or sent out, or just quick work by someone with photoshop?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Robert on May 02, 2011, 02:20:03 am
Quote
I wonder if the helicopter did a Vic Morrow number on ole Osama...  that would be pretty cool
(skeebo1969)

lol.....ta da..... ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: randym431 on May 02, 2011, 02:43:48 am
What? No more videos? Just think... killed and canceled all in one night. I hear Bin was having a bad hair day too...
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: randym431 on May 02, 2011, 02:48:48 am
Guess Donald Trump is already claiming credit for the kill. Says his forces looking for Obama's birth cert came across Bin Laden hiding. Contacted Donald, and Donald flew in and did the hit job. Details on Fox news later today.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 02, 2011, 03:15:37 am
I've been seeing people on the news saying Hitler died on May 1st.  And, this was the anniversary of "Mission Accomplished."  There have been other coincidences.  There was a commission looking into Al Qaeda that held their meeting on Sept 11, 1999--not sure about year.  The Pentagon either broke ground or was opened on Sept 11, 1940--something.   Think broke ground?  A conspiracy theorists would have a field day.

Now they are reporting Bin Laden's body may have already been buried at sea in order to prevent a shrine with a ground burial.  If true, this is going to really lead to conspiracy theories. 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: poz1970 on May 02, 2011, 03:54:54 am
I wonder who the CIA/arms company backers will trick the US into attacking next, and spending another $14trillion dollars

I'm sorry if this isn't popular, but I'm a firm believer that the towers were controlled demolitions... and that it was a setup to get the US to go to war

Apologies if this opinion offends
J
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: carousel on May 02, 2011, 04:06:07 am
Do we really need to show the picture in this thread of Bin Laden's dead body?

I'm glad as anybody he's gone.  But I don't want to look at photos of his body being exhibited.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 02, 2011, 04:06:15 am
I wonder who the CIA/arms company backers will trick the US into attacking next, and spending another $14trillion dollars

I'm sorry if this isn't popular, but I'm a firm believer that the towers were controlled demolitions... and that it was a setup to get the US to go to war

Apologies if this opinion offends
J

Awww J. You're a troofer? :(

Do we really need to show the picture in this thread of Bin Laden's dead body?

I'm glad as anybody he's gone.  But I don't want to look at photos of his body being exhibited.

Then shut your eyes, oh delicate one. ::)

MtD
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Cliff on May 02, 2011, 04:13:12 am
I just woke up to the news.  Good news and finally relief.   :)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 04:24:53 am
When I heard he had been killed and already buried at sea, I worried a bit about conspiracy theories.  (Hitler escaped the bunker, etc etc etc - but everyone profitted by declaring him dead...)

So even though I don't want to look at the dead body, its very important there are pictures and proof that the guy is dust.

I guess he was chucked in the sea as a strategy to avoid a pilgrimage site with his burial place?

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 02, 2011, 06:31:02 am
Ding, dong, the witch is dead....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: anniebc on May 02, 2011, 07:00:58 am
Ding, dong, the witch is dead....

Yes and good riddence, but unfortunately the Winged Monkeys are still around, and that worries me.

Aroha
Jan :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: hope_for_a_cure on May 02, 2011, 07:34:50 am
May 1st will now be remembered for this!  Its a red letter day for sure.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 02, 2011, 07:35:56 am
Yes and good riddence, but unfortunately the Winged Monkeys are still around, and that worries me.

Aroha
Jan :-*

Yeah, that worries me too. My daughter is flying back to the UK today - she's at the airport right now - and she's worried. There are going to be attacks, no doubt about it.



But on the lighter side, for those of us of a certain age....

Is Abbottabad anywhere near Costellobad?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 02, 2011, 07:38:36 am
Great news to wake up to, for sure.

Imagine - almost 2 full terms for Bush and no Osama -- 2 yrs for Obama and he's now dead.

M
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 02, 2011, 07:49:18 am
I wonder who the CIA/arms company backers will trick the US into attacking next, and spending another $14trillion dollars

I'm sorry if this isn't popular, but I'm a firm believer that the towers were controlled demolitions... and that it was a setup to get the US to go to war

Apologies if this opinion offends
J

Offended?  No.

Astounded?  Yes -- astounded that any individual could display this amount of stupidity. 

Perhaps that aluminum foil hat of yours is overheating the brain.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: J.R.E. on May 02, 2011, 07:57:53 am
Share your Newspapers front page :

See if I can do this right .  This is this mornings St.Petersburg times front page:

Da....  Having trouble getting the pic from photobucket


(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b473/exrrje/HPIM0536.jpg?t=1304339385)



Finally !!!!  I was ready to give up.

Ray


Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: NycJoe on May 02, 2011, 08:35:43 am
I'm sorry if this isn't popular, but I'm a firm believer that the towers were controlled demolitions... and that it was a setup to get the US to go to war

Apologies if this opinion offends
J

Wow.  Here is a little lesson to help you understand why the World Trade Centers collapsed.  I hope this helps educate you a little.   There are many more to be found on there as well.  Unless of course you can show me proof of controlled demolition?  Yeah I didn't think so.

J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w

Edited to add I have not had my coffee yet and I get bitchy when I read stupid shit like that.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 10:21:13 am


So even though I don't want to look at the dead body, its very important there are pictures and proof that the guy is dust.




PLEASE I've seen more DEAD bodies in the Sheriff's Connor's office then I' could ever count, dead people can't hurt you Mecchie, it's the LIVE one's you gotta watch for  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 10:25:21 am
So even though I don't want to look at the dead body, its very important there are pictures and proof that the guy is dust.

If that pic is really him? humm I wonder  :o
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 10:29:32 am
Bin Laden was introduced to Obama when Obama was a CIA operative in Pakistan and Afghanistan, instead of actually being at Columbia, which was a sham.  The irony is that the Bushes help set up Bin Laden and also Obama.  Obama changed his name back to something Muslim because he was inspired by pan-african nationalist Marxist movements his father dedicated his life to, under the guise of failed alcoholic academia.  In fact, Obama was selected by the Illuminati to become President as the Illuminati are still very angry about the Bush dynasty's bungling of numerous world domination plans.  Knowing that Obama was so intimate with Bin Laden, they put Obama in power to finish a job that the Bushes refused to do.  Bin Laden knew about this plan for the rise of Obama years in advance, and made secret alliances with the Israelis.  Al Qaeda and Mossad hatched the plan to bring down the towers together.  Many mutual interests were served - Al Qaeda terrorist jihad agenda, and Mossad, both hoping to weaken Saudi Arabia in order to dispose the Monarchy and loot the treasury, and with Bush family interests in the Military Industrial Complex.  Politics makes strange bedfellows and Mossad and Al Qaeda have been working together for years. This is of course why not a single "real" jew was killed in 9/11, though some fake ones were, to throw off suspicion.   Bin Laden and Obama have been, thus, double agents, warring over the last 15 years.  
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 10:35:14 am
 ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: aztecan on May 02, 2011, 10:40:24 am
Bin Laden was introduced to Obama when Obama was a CIA operative in Pakistan and Afghanistan, instead of actually being at Columbia, which was a sham.  The irony is that the Bushes help set up Bin Laden and also Obama.  Obama changed his name back to something Muslim because he was inspired by pan-african nationalist Marxist movements his father dedicated his life to, under the guise of failed alcoholic academia.  In fact, Obama was selected by the Illuminati to become President as the Illuminati are still very angry about the Bush dynasty's bungling of numerous world domination plans.  Knowing that Obama was so intimate with Bin Laden, they put Obama in power to finish a job that the Bushes refused to do.  Bin Laden knew about this plan for the rise of Obama years in advance, and made secret alliances with the Israelis.  Al Qaeda and Mossad hatached the plan to bring down the towers together.  Many mutual interests were served - Al Qaeda terrorist jihad agenda, and Mossad, both hoping to weaken Saudi Arabia in order to dispose the Monarchy and loot the treasury, and with Bush family interests in the Military Industrial Complex.  Politics makes strange bedfellows and Mossad and Al Qaeda have been working together for years. This is of course why not a single "real" jew was killed in 9/11, though some fake ones were, to throw off suspicion.   Bin Laden and Obama have been, thus, double agents, warring over the last 15 years.  

Honey, I hope you're just putzing around here.

On another topic, to paraphrase Mark Twain, "While I have never wished for the death of another person, I have been gratified to read some obituaries."

HUGS,

Mark
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: OneTampa on May 02, 2011, 10:43:19 am
Hello Sir. What was your order?

An osama bin laden, extra dead, and a side of crispy fries.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 10:53:38 am
USA!

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/osama.jpg)


USA!

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/osama1.jpg)


USA!
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Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 10:57:11 am
click to see Osama's bed and sheets (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/REFILE---CORRECTING-HEADLINEThis-video-frame-grab-obtained-ABC-News/photo//110502/ids_photos_wl/r723308681.jpg//s:/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden;_ylt=ArPHg9.KuErfDxUCSMJqoJ5H2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTFibWxpM3JnBHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDeW5fcl9qdW1wX3Bob3RvBHNsawN0aGlzdmlkZW9mcmE-) -- I wonder what the thread count is.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 11:00:49 am


Is Abbottabad anywhere near Costellobad?

ROFLMAO! ..."Who's on first?"
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: woodshere on May 02, 2011, 11:07:08 am
At the risk of being called everything from un-American to plain stupid, I must admit I struggle with my feelings on this.  On the one hand I am glad he is gone.  What he has done to people all over the world is hideous.  But on the other hand being an avid opponent of the death penalty I do struggle with killings sanctioned by the government.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on May 02, 2011, 11:13:26 am
Share your Newspapers front page :

(http://f.cl.ly/items/3s062A173t0Q1g0i3c38/NYT%20front.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 11:13:26 am
At the risk of being called everything from un-American to plain stupid, I must admit I struggle with my feelings on this.  On the one hand I am glad he is gone.  What he has done to people all over the world is hideous.  But on the other hand being an avid opponent of the death penalty I do struggle with killings sanctioned by the government.

Oh gee woodsie -- look at it in the same light as an FBI firefight with Al Capone.  That's basically all this was, except in another country.  And keeping in mind that this "other country" is one where half of their ISI intelligence service is in the back pocket of Islamist radicalism. 

How in the world could nobody notice a high-security "mansion" with 18-ft walls in a large town populated mainly by retired military generals?  Seems quite possible that rogue elements in the Pakistani government (specifically the non-civilian portion) were shielding Osama.

So, uh -- yeah... I don't see any other option but to do an operation like was done.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on May 02, 2011, 11:17:32 am
Ding, dong, the witch is dead....

http://youtu.be/j7GJcKuVGm8

 ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: weasel on May 02, 2011, 11:23:49 am

     I am GLAD he has been CROAKED   :o

             That is all ,
                                               Carl

         
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 11:27:35 am
click to see Osama's bed and sheets (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/REFILE---CORRECTING-HEADLINEThis-video-frame-grab-obtained-ABC-News/photo//110502/ids_photos_wl/r723308681.jpg//s:/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden;_ylt=ArPHg9.KuErfDxUCSMJqoJ5H2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTFibWxpM3JnBHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDeW5fcl9qdW1wX3Bob3RvBHNsawN0aGlzdmlkZW9mcmE-) -- I wonder what the thread count is.

That looks like my bedroom minus all the blood  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 11:32:17 am
The beach ball being bounced around cracks me up (crowd in front of White House)

I mean, who "just happened" to have a beach ball at 11:30pm last night... Only in America


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jg5Ia8gy2w
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 11:33:02 am
Oh come on... we want to see it (http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-webs-bin-laden-death-photo-just-the-photo-is-fake)

A senior U.S. official says that they are still deciding whether to release a still photo of dead bin Laden.
"It is really, really graphic," the official said, adding that U.S. officials are trying to decide whether it is just too graphic to put out.


Also, here are some good, large photos (http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6569239-osama-bin-ladens-hideout-revealed) of the "hideout" as well as that one crashed US helicopter.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 11:34:00 am
Honey, I hope you're just putzing around here.
Oh Honey I don't know who the frigging "illuminati" are.  The glitterati, OK.  That's it, it's all Bianca Jagger's doing.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 11:35:47 am
The beach ball being bounced around cracks me up (crowd in front of White House)

I mean, who "just happened" to have a beach ball at 11:30pm last night... Only in America




 :D :D :D and you know dam well there wasn't anyone in that crowd that looked over the age of 25, they looked like a bunch of DRUNK ass frat kids to me  :D Oh PLEASE everyone has a flag that they can wave @ 11:35PM on a Sunday night in DC  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: woodshere on May 02, 2011, 11:45:16 am

So, uh -- yeah... I don't see any other option but to do an operation like was done.

I am sure they did it the only they could and did so without the lose of an American life.  I suppose my struggle occurs due to my faith.  I think this sums it up for me:

Quote
New York May 2, 2011,
-- In the wake of the official announcement that Osama Bin Laden, alleged leader of Al Qaeda has been killed,
September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows released the following statement:

As we consider the killing of Osama Bin Laden, our thoughts turn not only to our family members who were killed on September 11th, but to all of the innocent people around the world who have died, and continue to die, as a result of the events of September 11th, 2001

It is our hope that the rule of law, underpinned by our Constitution, that was so terribly strained in the name of September 11th will again become the guiding light of our policies at home and abroad. One person may have played a central role in the September 11th attacks, but all of us have a role to play in returning our world to a place of peace, hope and new possibilities. We hope that process will begin today.

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows is an organization founded by family members of those killed on September 11, 2001. Currently comprised of over 200 families, the group advocates nonviolence and adherence to the rule of law in the pursuit of justice and accountability
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 11:47:34 am
I am sure they did it the only they could and did so without the lose of an American life.  I suppose my struggle occurs due to my faith.  I think this sums it up for me:
 

And just what do you have faith in HONEY  :D I wants to know  ;D if you have faith in another man with a swinging dick, then i'd believe you  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 11:51:46 am
Thanks to Googlemaps (http://www.jaunted.com/story/2011/5/2/11955/95004/travel/Osama+Bin+Laden%27s+Compound+in+Abbottabad+Has+Tourist+Destination+Potential) you can zoom down on Osama's compound today :)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 02, 2011, 11:54:41 am
Oh come on... we want to see it (http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-webs-bin-laden-death-photo-just-the-photo-is-fake)

A senior U.S. official says that they are still deciding whether to release a still photo of dead bin Laden.
"It is really, really graphic," the official said, adding that U.S. officials are trying to decide whether it is just too graphic to put out.



My daughter and her father were here when I first read this thread today and I showed them the photo posted earlier. We all decided that no way could that be Osama - the beard is too black and the nose is wrong too. Then a little while later they said on BBC News that the photo circulating on the internet was a fake.

I think they should publish the photo - with him being buried at sea so quickly, there's bound to be people saying he's still alive. Like with Elvis and John Lennon.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: woodshere on May 02, 2011, 11:56:59 am
And just what do you have faith in HONEY  :D I wants to know  ;D if you have faith in another man with a swinging dick, then i'd believe you  ;D

Nice bringing dick into the conversation.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 11:59:46 am

I think they should publish the photo - with him being buried at sea so quickly, there's bound to be people saying he's still alive. Like with Elvis and John Lennon.

I'm sure almost every second is documented with both photos and videos.  They'll probably drip stuff out after the fact as needed.  Then 50 years from now people will get to see everything, but you and I will be dead.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 02, 2011, 12:01:55 pm
I'm against the death penalty but sometime doesn't it just feel damn good to see someone get what they deserve ? Its easy to look the other way in some cases for me , like when someone is guilty of harming children like Timothy McVeigh .  

Since Bin Laden declared war on the United States this is not a death penalty case anyway to my thinking and although I don't make the rules I'm willing to let my convictions slide with this one , after all Bin Laden was pretty flexable with who he was willing to harm for his convictions , all is fair .      
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 02, 2011, 12:02:19 pm
Then 50 years from now people will get to see everything, but you and I will be dead.

Speak for yourself, sweetie. I plan to live to 125. :)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:05:22 pm
Nice bringing dick into the conversation.

Oh you know you love it, you wouldn't be queer if you didn't, I sure do  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 02, 2011, 12:05:28 pm
Speak for yourself, sweetie. I plan to live to 125. :)

You do realize your furniture will be worth a fortune being antiques and all  :D  
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 12:06:38 pm
Our Usurper Kenyan President is about to speak again on the teeeeveeee
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:09:15 pm
You do realize your furniture will be worth a fortune being antiques and all  :D  

 :D :D :D Ann Dear, I'm signing my Life Ins and all of my worldly possessions over to you, if your gonna live that long , you can go into the antiques business, and become well kept women for the rest life  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 12:16:40 pm
Then a little while later they said on BBC News that the photo circulating on the internet was a fake.

I think they should publish the photo - with him being buried at sea so quickly, there's bound to be people saying he's still alive. Like with Elvis and John Lennon.

The photo released earlier is clearly a fake as the beard is exactly the same as his beard in a 5 year old photo, there are certain stray strands of hair that are identical in both photos. Portions of the wounds appear to have been taken from the photos of the pics of Saddams sons photos that were released by the Bush Admin.

This fake photo has already been released on Iraqi news channels. Which will already fuel talks of conspiracies.

For most of us in the US we do not need a photo to confirm to us that Bin Laden is dead, however in other parts of the world such as afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq people need photographic proof in order to believe he's dead. They are not on board with news reports and DNA evidence, they want to see it with their own eyes. So yes, I agree the photo should be released.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: woodshere on May 02, 2011, 12:21:08 pm
 

Since Bin Laden declared war on the United States this is not a death penalty case anyway to my thinking and although I don't make the rules I'm willing to let my convictions slide with this one , after all Bin Laden was pretty flexable with who he was willing to harm for his convictions , all is fair .      

The more I think about I am kind of leaning this way.  I think what bothers me most are all these people celebrating like New year's Eve.  I saw a picture that I probably will never find of a couple at the 9/11 Pentagon Memorial and some people with candles at the World Trade Center.  That form of acknowledgement appeals to me more.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 02, 2011, 12:23:54 pm
You do realize your furniture will be worth a fortune being antiques and all  :D 

Most of my furniture is antique already - but not the nice kind - they're the second-hand/junk-shop/charity-shop kind. :D


become well kept women for the rest life  ;D

I like that idea! :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:26:01 pm
Most of my furniture is antique already - but not the nice kind - they're the second-hand/junk-shop/charity-shop kind. :D

Nothing wrong with that, all my  furniture came from WalMart & Big-O-Lots, I know, I know, I told ya'll I was CHEAP, now do you believe me   :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 02, 2011, 12:26:22 pm
The more I think about I am kind of leaning this way.  I think what bothers me most are all these people celebrating like New year's Eve.  I saw a picture that I probably will never find of a couple at the 9/11 Pentagon Memorial and some people with candles at the World Trade Center.  That form of acknowledgement appeals to me more.

I really do respect your opinion Woods ... I'm a pacifist at heart but realize that will get you killed in the world we live in , thank god for diffrent opinions and point of views , I bet our diversity plays a role in our survival .  
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:35:22 pm
I really do respect your opinion Woods ... I'm a pacifist at heart but realize that will get you killed in the world we live in , thank god for diffrent opinions and point of views , I bet our diversity plays a role in our survival .  

DEATH & WAR is nothing really to celebrate, let's face it, it's UGLY & it SUCKS  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 12:36:53 pm
I bet our diversity plays a role in our survival .  

and this is what makes America great! We are free to celebrate how we wish, whether it be with candles and prayers, or flag waving, singng the National Anthem and bouncing beach balls. I acknowledge and respect both avenues.

-Will
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 02, 2011, 12:39:54 pm
and this is what makes America great! We are free to celebrate how we wish, whether it be with candles and prayers, or flag waving, singng the National Anthem and bouncing beach balls. I acknowledge and respect both avenues.

-Will

Oh did I say diversity , I meant perversity ... and our willingness to laugh helps as well . 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 12:43:03 pm
Also, here are some good, large photos (http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6569239-osama-bin-ladens-hideout-revealed) of the "hideout" as well as that one crashed US helicopter.

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110502-osama-compound-5.photoblog900.jpg)

I swear I copped crack from this spot back in the day.  That's the 100% hole located in Opa Locka, Florida.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:46:22 pm

I swear I copped crack from this spot back in the day.  That's the 100% hole located in Opa Locka, Florida.

 :D Tomas, that looks like the back of that Gay Leather Bar called the AMBUSH in SOMA where I scored some smack, or at least it sure looks like it  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 12:52:14 pm
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110502-osama-compound-5.photoblog900.jpg)

I swear I copped crack from this spot back in the day.  That's the 100% hole located in Opa Locka, Florida.

I can take you to some shooting galleries in North Philly or Camden, NJ if you want to see worse.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 12:56:12 pm
I can take you to some shooting galleries in North Philly or Camden, NJ if you want to see worse.

miss p what was the name of that Bath House in PHILLY, it was where all the Sailors went, I forget the name
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 12:59:25 pm
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110502-osama-compound-5.photoblog900.jpg)



If this is a Pakistani "Mansion", I'd hate to see their slums.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 01:07:30 pm
Breaking news:

Obama's last words were "Shut up you skank bitch", after his wife inadvertentaly ID's him during the raid by yelling "Run Osama, Run!"
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 02, 2011, 01:10:04 pm
I'm kinda with woods but for a different reason.  We've been hunting a 70 year old man on dialysis for almost 10 years now and we finally killed him.  I'm glad he's gone and if you doubt for a minute we should've killed him just drudge up some 9/11 sentiment and it should be easy.  It just doesn't feel like this great accomplishment anymore it barely feels retaliatory.  I am however extremely glad this president got credit for it and not the last one.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 01:10:28 pm


  Notice the low profile kept by the architects of these abodes...  the design makes it difficult for your enemies to fly a jumbo jet into your living room.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 01:12:09 pm
miss p what was the name of that Bath House in PHILLY, it was where all the Sailors went, I forget the name

Sweets, I've only lived here for five years.  Currently there are two bath house/sex clubs (Club Body Center and the Samson Gym) and two video mini-theaters with booths.

The Philadelphia Naval Yard closed 16 years ago... you're like so behind the times.  They're in the process of converting it to a modern research lab/office park type place:

http://navyyard.org/
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: wolfter on May 02, 2011, 01:12:13 pm
click to see Osama's bed and sheets (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/REFILE---CORRECTING-HEADLINEThis-video-frame-grab-obtained-ABC-News/photo//110502/ids_photos_wl/r723308681.jpg//s:/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden;_ylt=ArPHg9.KuErfDxUCSMJqoJ5H2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTFibWxpM3JnBHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDeW5fcl9qdW1wX3Bob3RvBHNsawN0aGlzdmlkZW9mcmE-) -- I wonder what the thread count is.

Kinda reminds my of my college bedroom after a really hot night of drinking and .....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 01:13:58 pm
We've been hunting a 70 year old man on dialysis

1) he wasn't 70, he was 54

2) he had kidney stone issues, he wasn't on dialysis... or that's the suspicion as if he'd needed dialysis for a decade he probably would have already died.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 02, 2011, 01:14:55 pm
1) he wasn't 70, he was 54

2) he had kidney stone issues, he wasn't on dialysis

54, 70 same difference *ducks*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 01:16:06 pm
54, 70 same difference *ducks*

If you can't get simple facts straight on an internet message board maybe you should stick to threads about Jake Gyllenhaal.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 01:17:05 pm

  Notice the low profile kept by the architects of these abodes...  the design makes it difficult for your enemies to fly a jumbo jet into your living room.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t237/mosaiah/Gold_Star.gif)

 ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 01:20:28 pm
Sweets, I've only lived here for five years.  Currently there are two bath house/sex clubs (Club Body Center and the Samson Gym) and two video mini-theaters with booths.

The Philadelphia Naval Yard closed 16 years ago... you're like so behind the times.  They're in the process of converting it to a modern research lab/office park type place:

http://navyyard.org/

Yeah, I kinda figured that, you probably were only 1O or 11 yrs old back then 77 thur 80, you know I'm an old FART  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 01:23:07 pm
54, 70 same difference *ducks*

 Trey, U mean u can't tell the difference between a 54 yr old man and a 70 yrs old one  :D :D :D
ok * ducks* I'll go w/ dat  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 02, 2011, 01:23:51 pm
Trey, U mean u can't tell the difference between a 54 yr old man and a 70 yrs old one  :D :D :D
ok * ducks* I'll go w/ dat  :-*

Of course I can, 70 year olds have that sexy walker as an accessory.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 01:28:24 pm
Of course I can, 70 year olds have that sexy walker as an accessory.

Trey, honey u do realize that a man is still viable sexually way into his 80's & 90  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 02, 2011, 01:29:14 pm
Trey, honey u do realize that a man is still viable sexually way into his 80's & 90  :-*

Let's not make this thread about Philly, ok?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 01:31:52 pm
Let's not make this thread about Philly, ok?

Ok well I'm NOT going there, exit stage-right  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 02, 2011, 01:38:10 pm
When I heard the news, two thoughts came to me immediately. The first centered on the relatives and children of Bin Laden, because no matter what the world thinks, to them, he was someone they loved, no matter how misguided his intentions. The second is that somebody is going to pay a very dear price for his death. While we may have removed one head of the hydra, soon, two or more will grow to take its place. I wish I could feel better about him being gone, but I cannot. I really fear the hatred that his death will generate in many parts of the world.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 01:52:58 pm
The first centered on the relatives and children of Bin Laden, because no matter what the world thinks, to them, he was someone they loved,


Agreed, and no doubt this is how the relatives of the 3,000 Americans he killed on 9/11 felt about their loved ones.

You cannot be responsible for flying planes into the twin towers, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville and not expect to have a target on your head for the rest of your life.

The second is that somebody is going to pay a very dear price for his death. While we may have removed one head of the hydra, soon, two or more will grow to take its place.

Unfortunately I believe this is true. Time will only tell what happens in response to the killing. I pray it is minimal.  But at the same time is it possible that Osama was planning another mass casualty attack? Maybe yes, maybe no, we just dont know. However by killing Osama perhaps some of his millions will cease to flow to the already scattered Al Queada organization, mitigating future attacks.

-Will
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 01:53:12 pm
When I heard the news, two thoughts came to me immediately. The first centered on the relatives and children of Bin Laden, because no matter what the world thinks, to them, he was someone they loved, no matter how misguided his intentions. The second is that somebody is going to pay a very dear price for his death. While we may have removed one head of the hydra, soon, two or more will grow to take its place. I wish I could feel better about him being gone, but I cannot. I really fear the hatred that his death will generate in many parts of the world.

Yeah kinda like wack-a-mole  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 01:55:55 pm
Will help me out here Will, in yout tag-line what exactly do you want them to suck (suck it bitches) could you be more specific  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Cliff on May 02, 2011, 01:57:08 pm
Judging by the photos, inside and out, a million bucks doesn't go very far in Pakistan.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 02:01:36 pm
Judging by the photos, inside and out, a million bucks doesn't go very far in Pakistan.

SHit what u talkin about willis? for a million bucks I'd be outta poverty @ least for good while  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 02:02:25 pm
Forget the Birthers -- so last year!  Meet the Deathers (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/breitbart-bin-laden-deathers/)! ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Cliff on May 02, 2011, 02:03:28 pm
SHit what u talkin about willis? for a million bucks I'd be outta poverty @ least for good while  ;D
Yes, but you don't live in Pakistan.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 02:04:14 pm
Yes, but you don't live in Pakistan.

nor would I want too  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 02:05:45 pm
Forget the Birthers -- so last year!  Meet the Deathers (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/breitbart-bin-laden-deathers/)! ::)

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 02:28:03 pm
Forget the Birthers -- so last year!  Meet the Deathers (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/breitbart-bin-laden-deathers/)! ::)

Awwwrighty then.


The second is that somebody is going to pay a very dear price for his death. While we may have removed one head of the hydra, soon, two or more will grow to take its place. I wish I could feel better about him being gone, but I cannot. I really fear the hatred that his death will generate in many parts of the world.

Keep in mind for them this is not about Osama Bin Laden, or his call to arms even.  The danger exists, don't get me wrong, but it won't be any more or any less of an issue with us killing him.  If anything, I would like to believe this shows once again efforts to find people that commit terrorist acts on American soil will not go unabated, we will find you-- no matter how long it takes.

Some reports suggest Osama Bin Laden had really become a non factor in all this, don't know if that's true or not.  But it makes sense in a way-- them not wanting to be around the most wanted man in the world.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: OneTampa on May 02, 2011, 02:32:40 pm
Clever sign in story pic:

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/moving_america_news/28065
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 02:41:17 pm
Clever sign in story pic:

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/moving_america_news/28065


I find THIS very disturbing to say the least, down in the comment section of it it says THIS:

by   
Jimmyg
May 2, 2011, 9:25 am
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I hope Blacks worldwide do not get too caught up in the hype. They were hanging us high, throwing us in the rivers and oceans, rapping our women and probably men 2, and stealing our human and natural resources long before bin Laden was ever born. So whose the real terrorists. Again, just don't get too caught up in all the madness Black America, remember what PICNIC really means.

  Now that's pretty scary isn't it  ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 02, 2011, 02:45:19 pm
Forget the Birthers -- so last year!  Meet the Deathers (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/breitbart-bin-laden-deathers/)! ::)


I knew this would happen sooner or later.  You know that mofo Donald Trump will be joining their cause very soon.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 03:03:15 pm
Forget the Birthers -- so last year!  Meet the Deathers (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/breitbart-bin-laden-deathers/)! ::)

We are entitled to know for a fact that the witch is dead. No shroud for dignity’s sake, please – bin Laden’s naked, bullet-riddled corpse should be put on display in lower Manhattan for all the world to see.

uhhhh.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 03:09:52 pm
But its only wishful thinking, this fetish for the corpse.  Since they say clearly its shark snack and long gone.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 03:23:33 pm
But its only wishful thinking, this fetish for the corpse.  Since they say clearly its shark snack and long gone.

fetish, child PLEASE, what are talking about, we want proof, put it on display  :) I'm having a very hard time understanding any of your post on this Topic  ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 03:57:02 pm
We are entitled to know for a fact that the witch is dead. No shroud for dignity’s sake, please – bin Laden’s naked, bullet-riddled corpse should be put on display in lower Manhattan for all the world to see.

uhhhh.

I'm sure that statement would apply to 95% of the residents of Texas.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 04:02:14 pm
Ok, so Osama is dead. Whoop.

Can we get on to more important stuff....Since my Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted, can anyone tell me whether it was Neenie or Star that got fired? Where can we find this info?

-W
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 04:29:42 pm
Ok, so Osama is dead. Whoop.

Can we get on to more important stuff....Since my Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted, can anyone tell me whether it was Neenie or Star that got fired? Where can we find this info?

-W

Why do ya''ll watch such TRASH on T.V.  ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: wolfter on May 02, 2011, 04:36:31 pm
Ok, so Osama is dead. Whoop.

Can we get on to more important stuff....Since my Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted, can anyone tell me whether it was Neenie or Star that got fired? Where can we find this info?

-W

Ha, I love that show.  I still think it was intentional that it was pre-empted.  Anyways, it was neither of them...surprise, surprise.  It was Hope.  You know, The Donald likes the drama.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 05:27:22 pm
Meet Gary Weddle from East Wenatchee (http://www.dailyastorian.com/free/teacher-who-vowed-not-to-shave-until-bin-laden-was/article_a8860868-74d2-11e0-afbf-001cc4c03286.html)  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 05:28:19 pm
Meet Gary Weddle from East Wenatchee (http://www.dailyastorian.com/free/teacher-who-vowed-not-to-shave-until-bin-laden-was/article_a8860868-74d2-11e0-afbf-001cc4c03286.html)  :D

SHIT  ??? I like him before  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 06:10:44 pm
fetish, child PLEASE, what are talking about, we want proof, put it on display  :) I'm having a very hard time understanding any of your post on this Topic  ::)

The corpse was buried at sea. Nobody can say "we need to see the corpse."

It is gone, my dears. You can only regret - you have to use the conditional - hypothetical. 

"If we could have seen the corpse....."

You can't say, let's see the corpse now.  Its too late.  Get it?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 02, 2011, 06:22:39 pm
Ok, so Osama is dead. Whoop.

Can we get on to more important stuff....Since my Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted, can anyone tell me whether it was Neenie or Star that got fired? Where can we find this info?

-W

Bitch, y'all need to read.  I responded to Wolfter earlier in this thread. It is also updated on Shittypedia.  It wasn't either one of them; Playboy's Hope was the one to get the boot.  Too bad; she could have used the money to buy herself some personality. 

Oh, and you should be able to find the entire episode on Hulu.  Get with the times, Willehmina  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 06:27:27 pm
Bitch, y'all need to read.  I responded to Wolfter earlier in this thread.


oh noes, how did I miss your post? I usually catch all of them as I'm a big Revvy fanz.

and yes, I found out it was Hope after an unnamed member PM'd me and told me "to Google it you shithead", LOL!

-Will
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 02, 2011, 06:30:25 pm
oh noes, how did I miss your post? I usually catch all of them as I'm a big Revvy fanz.

and yes, I found out it was Hope after an unnamed member PM'd me and told me "to Google it you shithead", LOL!

-Will

 :-* :-* :-*

That PM sounds as though it came from my evil sister in Philadelphia  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 06:50:46 pm
This is for Woodsie:

Seem that there's science backing it up -- if you're not enthusiastic about the celebrations about offing Osama then you're lacking a penis (http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/05/02/joy-over-osama-the-science/).
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: leatherman on May 02, 2011, 06:56:39 pm
Quote
"if you're not enthusiastic about the celebrations about offing Osama then ..."
or you might be a little bit  religious (http://revjameshowell.blogspot.com/2011/05/cheering-bin-ladens-fall.html)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 07:02:18 pm
or you might be a little bit  religious (http://revjameshowell.blogspot.com/2011/05/cheering-bin-ladens-fall.html)

Thanks for showing me The Way, Mikie.  I'll try and pick up a sense of humor tomorrow when I go shopping at Walmart.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 07:08:46 pm
Thanks for showing me The Way, Mikie.  I'll try and pick up a sense of humor tomorrow when I go shopping at Walmart.

Shit I swear by Kmart, Walmart, and Big-O-lots, as cheap as I'm, I can make dollar go FAR  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 07:10:50 pm
I still dont get how Osama could just be chillin in Pakistan and not be noticed...I mean here he is 2 weeks ago shopping in Islamabad..


(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/Osama20Bin20Shoppin.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 02, 2011, 07:11:55 pm
Shit I swear by Kmart, Walmart, and Big-O-lots, as cheap as I'm, I can make dollar go FAR  :D

You know Philicia doesn't visit Wal-Mart.  She's too Paris Hilton for that.

I myself hate that place, but I don't mind Target and Big Lots.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 07:13:32 pm
You know Philicia doesn't visit Wal-Mart.  She's too Paris Hilton for that.

I myself hate that place, but I don't mind Target and Big Lots.

Actually when I went to visit my parents for Easter I accompanied my mother into the local Walmart -- first time in probably five years.  I even bought two tubes of Biotene (http://www.biotene.com/Products/Toothpaste.aspx).
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 07:16:39 pm
You know Philicia doesn't visit Wal-Mart.  She's too Paris Hilton for that.

I myself hate that place, but I don't mind Target and Big Lots.

Well I've had 12 yrs. to learn how to be poor, I think I'm good at it by now , my other-half calls me a cheap son of a bitch on daily basis  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 07:23:53 pm
I still dont get how Osama could just be chillin in Pakistan and not be noticed...I mean here he is 2 weeks ago shopping in Islamabad..

Willy, shit that looks like one of my ex BF's  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 07:33:36 pm
*sigh* (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mis/2357469103.html)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 07:37:39 pm
*sigh* (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mis/2357469103.html)

miss p, you don't seem like you would like the artsie crafsie  types at all, you seem much more sophisticated for that  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 07:38:52 pm
miss p, you don't seem like you would like the artsie crafsie  types at all, you seem much more sophisticated for that  ;)

artsie crafsie?  Care to illustrate that one for me?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 07:41:50 pm
*sigh* (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mis/2357469103.html)

SEE! Putting a bullet in Osama's eye is bringing people together. So Sweet  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 07:42:38 pm
artsie crafsie?  Care to illustrate that one for me?

Pierced lip/shoulder tattoo, you seem to be more into a man with a six-figure-income, guess I really don't know you that well  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 08:18:50 pm
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2d9wsd5.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 08:26:59 pm
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2d9wsd5.jpg)

 ??? well there one in every bunch, now isn't there  ???
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 02, 2011, 08:50:28 pm
Could it be Pakistan hasn't been completely honest with us ( and yes this is sarcasm ) .

I was thinking about this last night ... either Pakistan knew he was there or they didn't , either way that stinks up the smell test . A fortified concrete monster house in a a military neighbor hood and they never suspected something wasn't right . I do not buy it .     
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 08:56:48 pm
Could it be Pakistan hasn't been completely honest with us ( and yes this is sarcasm ) .

I was thinking about this last night ... either Pakistan knew he was there or they didn't , either way that stinks up the smell test . A fortified concrete monster house in a a military neighbor hood and they never suspected something wasn't right . I do not buy it .     

Jeff, they all probably FEARED for there life, why would they say anything about it, even if they did know?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 09:10:15 pm
Jeff, they all probably FEARED for there life, why would they say anything about it, even if they did know?

Read it and weep, Denby
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1243928

Of course I made up a crazy conspiracy to comment on the poster who thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

But the truth is regional power politics makes for unusual bedfellows.  Do you need a certain kind of "friend" more than you need to destroy an enemy.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 09:17:26 pm
Well meehie, it's no secret that Osama's family were all good friends of GW BUSH , that's a known fact and NOT a conspiracy , throw in the US and it's short term memory on a lot of things and there ya go ;) voters just don't remember SHIT anymore, it's only limited to maybe a few yrs. @ the very least  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: ds4146 on May 02, 2011, 09:21:08 pm
You think my college degree prevented me from figuring that out?
Not sure whether you went to a really bad community college or have recently signed up to work at Fox.
If you can't get simple facts straight on an internet message board maybe you should stick to threads about Jake Gyllenhaal.
And therefore this is really kinda of calling the kettle black.

And actually it has been reported by more than one news group that the guy actually did have a need for dialysis treatments. As Joan Rivers famously said, how fucking difficult could it have been to follow that cord to the plug.  But more importantly, if only "We Need to Be Committed" in Mental Health got as much attention as this ten year chase. Maybe now be can put out attention and money to more worthwhile venues.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: woodshere on May 02, 2011, 09:33:17 pm

Seem that there's science backing it up -- if you're not enthusiastic about the celebrations about offing Osama then you're lacking a penis (http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2011/05/02/joy-over-osama-the-science/).

Well punishment does excite me, but only when I am the one being punished...:)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 09:33:21 pm
Not sure whether you went to a really bad community college or have recently signed up to work at Fox. And therefore this is really kinda of calling the kettle black.

And actually it has been reported by more than one news group that the guy actually did have a need for dialysis treatments. As Joan Rivers famously said, how fucking difficult could it have been to follow that cord to the plug.  But more importantly, if only "We Need to Be Committed" in Mental Health got as much attention as this ten year chase. Maybe now be can put out attention and money to more worthwhile venues.

reported, yes; confirmed, no

hence, you FAIL
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 09:34:59 pm
Well punishment does excite me, but only when I am the one being punished...:)

YES woody, I know you love abuse & punishment, done by the right person that is  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: ds4146 on May 02, 2011, 09:47:44 pm
2) he had kidney stone issues, he wasn't on dialysis... or that's the suspicion as if he'd needed dialysis for a decade he probably would have already died.
All CAPS and the word fail in one sentence, so hurtful. But I would imagine that your your source is as good as mine..HENCE...you are either getting your trash from FOX or your Community College. FAIL!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 09:52:28 pm
All CAPS and the word fail in one sentence, so hurtful. But I would imagine that your your source is as good as mine..HENCE...you are either getting your trash from FOX or your Community College. FAIL!

So prove he was on dialysis then, Mr. Community College.  I need not prove a negative.  I shall decide your level of FAIL (which should always be in all caps, so you also FAIL teh intranetz).
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 10:00:13 pm
So prove he was on dialysis then, Mr. Community College.  I need not prove a negative.  I shall decide your level of FAIL (which should always be in all caps, so you also FAIL teh intranetz).

puhleaze, you both fail. No one could prove that he had dialysis or kidney stones up until his capture. Doing so would mean relying on 2nd hand information which 1) was from some informant who's veracity would be in question or 2) from an inmate at gitmo, again who's veracity is questionable. Unless of course if such inmate was water boarded when the info came out, in which case such info would be 100% acurate  ::) (<--sarcastic smiley face)

Now I suppose it could be proven he was on Dialysis if when the GI's busted into his bedroom and shot him in the eye he was hooked up to a dialysis machine.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 10:02:50 pm
puhleaze, you both fail. No one could prove that he had dialysis or kidney stones up until last night. Doing so would mean relying on 2nd hand information which 1) was from some informant who's veracity would be in question or 2) from an inmate at gitmo, again who's veracity is questionable. Unless of course if such inmate was water boarded when the info came out, in which case such info would be 100% acurate  ::) (<--sarcastic smiley face)

 :D :D :D YES, water boarding is like a modern day truth serum isn't it young man  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 10:14:13 pm
puhleaze, you both fail. No one could prove that he had dialysis or kidney stones up until his capture.

Maybe he just had teh AIDS and also had shrunken testicles.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 10:16:31 pm
Well before they dumped him into the sea, the Navy could have autopsied the corpse on some medical ship.

Arafat was the one with the AIDS.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 10:16:49 pm
had teh AIDS and also had shrunken testicles.

:(

But huge guns.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 10:19:08 pm
:(

But huge guns.



Well you know what they say, you cannot have the cake & the icing too  ;) you get one or the other huge guns or a small penis, pick your poison  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 02, 2011, 10:24:34 pm
Well there are several supposed Raspustin cocks, but then they cut it off him because he was such a spell-binding lover.  Never heard any rumors about Bin Laden being a stud.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 10:27:21 pm
Well there are several supposed Raspustin cocks, but then they cut it off him because he was such a spell-binding lover.  Never heard any rumors about Bin Laden being a stud.

for every lbs you loose you gain an inch of cock  :D when u get old it's all about gravity 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 02, 2011, 10:28:54 pm
Well there are several supposed Raspustin cocks, but then they cut it off him because he was such a spell-binding lover.  Never heard any rumors about Bin Laden being a stud.

No doubt Bin Laden was hung, I mean look at his Nose and hands.

@Denny - my peen hasnt shrunken, it's still big as a babies arm. Only my nuts have vacated the premises.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 10:35:33 pm
No doubt Bin Laden was hung, I mean look at his Nose and hands.

@Denny - my peen hasnt shrunken, it's still big as a babies arm. Only my nuts have vacated the premises.

Sounds like a personal problem to me, or maybe you might wanna get those boys checked out, you might  have super gonad-ism and you might want to refrain form using them steroids  young man ;D  that baby arm of a cock aint gonna do a bit of good, if you aint the nuts to back that up  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 11:02:24 pm


   This was just posted by one of my brother's spawn on facebook:

   Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!! REPOST IF YOU AGREE!!


   Hmmm...  And I wonder why they never invite my family and I over for Christmas dinner?
   
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 11:08:55 pm

   This was just posted by one of my brother's spawn on facebook:

   Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!! REPOST IF YOU AGREE!!


   Hmmm...  And I wonder why they never invite my family and I over for Christmas dinner?
   

 Tomas ,@ this point, I think the Obama Administration just got lucky, found him, and took him out  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 02, 2011, 11:15:48 pm

   This was just posted by one of my brother's spawn on facebook:

   Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!! REPOST IF YOU AGREE!!


   Hmmm...  And I wonder why they never invite my family and I over for Christmas dinner?
   

I thought Navy SEALS qualified as sailors, not soliders. :)

MtD
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: leatherman on May 02, 2011, 11:17:23 pm
who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY
I thought it was Congress, via the TEA party, that wasn't passing a budget and was going to shut down the gov't and not pay the soldiers. ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 11:22:30 pm
I thought Navy SEALS qualified as sailors, not soliders. :)

MtD

YES, those NAVY SEALS are the best of the best the Navy has to offer, they are Sailors & Jar-heads all warped into one, you know The Marines are a part of the US Navy..........right? I'm an ex sailor ya know  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 02, 2011, 11:24:59 pm
Tomas ,@ this point, I think the Obama Administration just got lucky, found him, and took him out  ;D

I agree with you on that...

But there is a little deeper message in her post, and it's that same quiet hate that we hear from those who are not so open with their racist views.  Let's just say she's one of those who still can't get over the fact we have a black president.



Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 02, 2011, 11:28:37 pm
My repub friends have been posting those remarks on Facebook about how Obama just happened to be in office when the soldiers found and killed Osama, and Pres Obama deserves zero credit.  Well, it is hard to argue that the troops shouldn't get the credit for this.  However, they are totally ignoring or just ignorant that Pres Obama asked for a plan in June 2009 to get Osama.  There are consequences when we have an incompetent president vs a competent one.   After all due to Bush, Osama has gotten everything he said he wanted.  Osama said he wanted to get us into a war in the Middle East (Iraq) where we drain our treasury and lives.  We've lost over 6,000 now and have spent over $1Trillion in Iraq and a quarter Trillion in Afghanistan.  We gave up freedoms and became afraid.  So, Osama got more than those 3,000 lives on 9/11.    

Now, repubs are pushing the idea that we got the intelligence from prisoners at Gitmo, who gave info about the couriers.  Now, how in the hell did anyone captured 5, 6, or 8 years ago know anything about what was currently happening?  I think it is time to completely come home from Afghanistan and close Gitmo.  Even after the 2000 election, I got behind Bush after 9/11--until it was obvious he wanted to go into Iraq.  But, it appears many repubs will not give Pres Obama any credit or reach out a hand.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 02, 2011, 11:30:56 pm
Where do you get all of these Republican friends from Teddy?  I don't have any.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 02, 2011, 11:32:52 pm
I agree with you on that...

But there is a little deeper message in her post, and it's that same quiet hate that we hear from those who are not so open with their racist views.  Let's just say she's one of those who still can't get over the fact we have a black president.





 Well, some people aren't EVER gonna get over that, such shame ya know  ???
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 02, 2011, 11:34:42 pm
Oh, just another thought, but about media coverage.  NBC News is still saying Osama was outside when he was shot and they use animation to show this.  ABC shows animation of Osama in a bedroom and was shot.  ABC also obtained video of the house showing all the blood in the bedroom.  NBC shows animation showing both choppers landing inside the compound.  ABC shows one landing outside the compound--the one that had mechanical problems.  And, we keep hearing about 18ft walls.  But the video ABC shows would suggest the walls were barely 12 feet.

Splitting hairs maybe, but interesting how different news sources give different info.  It is easy to see how misinformation gets spread around.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 02, 2011, 11:39:26 pm

   This was just posted by one of my brother's spawn on facebook:

   Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!! REPOST IF YOU AGREE!!


   Hmmm...  And I wonder why they never invite my family and I over for Christmas dinner?
   

I deactivated my facebook account today because of what people I know were saying about the president . I have had enough LOL .   
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 02, 2011, 11:44:56 pm
As a former member of the Armed Forces, I took orders from those appointed over me and the Command In Chief. Regardless of how anyone feels, politically or otherwise, Barack Obama IS the Commander In Chief and HE made the call. Yes, those Special Forces members deserve ALL the credit but to somehow paint Obama as less is grossly unfair. Congratulations Special Forces and the U.S.A!

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2afbf28.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on May 02, 2011, 11:46:02 pm
for every lbs you loose you gain an inch of cock  :D when u get old it's all about gravity 

spoken like a true expert   8)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 02, 2011, 11:47:43 pm
Ok, so Osama is dead. Whoop.

Can we get on to more important stuff....Since my Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted, can anyone tell me whether it was Neenie or Star that got fired? Where can we find this info?

-W

My sister told me her daughter found online somewhere that it was Hope who was fired!!! A cat could have modelled the hair care products better---but she tried to forewarn she's a still shot gal, not a runway pro.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 03, 2011, 12:22:43 am
 ;) drewm  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 03, 2011, 12:38:46 am
I know it seems like a double standard to expect repubs to give Pres Obama credit when I won't give Bush credit.  As I said, I did after 9/11.  But after I learned how they ignored warning after warning about 9/11, I just find it hard to do so.  I find it hard to agree that he kept us safe when 3,000 died on 9/11 and then we had the anthrax deaths.  It seems like saying I bought a gun after being robbed and haven't been robbed since.  Buying the gun doesn't mean that is why I have not been robbed again. 

Perhaps Bush deserves credit for some things after he failed on 9/11, but I'm trying to think of what they are.  Perhaps there are things he did that we don't know about.  I doubt it, because they would have publicized it.  There was never another attack planned that was stopped by Bush, right?  There was that plan with airplanes in the UK that were headed for here, right?  But, it was the UK that stopped that.  My memory is fuzzy on that.  I'm seriously trying to think of ways he kept us safe.  Perhaps tighter security at airports?  They did capture some Al Qaeda members.     
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 03, 2011, 12:46:02 am
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Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: komnaes on May 03, 2011, 12:59:00 am
Not that I would ever have a chance but I don't ever want to play poker with President Obama..

Any serious repugs with presidential aspiration should think twice before running.. this guy is full of surprises. Just let him serves out the two terms and the world will be just fine.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 03, 2011, 01:12:14 am
This is real from ABC's website where viewers posts comments:

"thank God he is dead.  However you could of waited 15 minutes for Brothers and Sisters be over.  You could of anounced his death and then returned to the regular programing."

Now, what kind of person watches that show and can't spell and says "could have" as "could of?"  Too funny.   
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Cliff on May 03, 2011, 01:52:03 am
The corpse was buried at sea. Nobody can say "we need to see the corpse."

It is gone, my dears. You can only regret - you have to use the conditional - hypothetical. 

"If we could have seen the corpse....."

You can't say, let's see the corpse now.  Its too late.  Get it?
I think they are referring to pictures taken of the corpse before it was buried at sea.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 03, 2011, 07:39:52 am
This is real from ABC's website where viewers posts comments:

"thank God he is dead.  However you could of waited 15 minutes for Brothers and Sisters be over.  You could of anounced his death and then returned to the regular programing."

Now, what kind of person watches that show and can't spell and says "could have" as "could of?"  Too funny.  
Ted--
Ask anyone in the business world, all sorts of people (some very bright) don't write or spell well. One of my lawyer friends who was a piss-poor speller admitted that in himself and noted it was true of many lawyers/judges. It did not diminish their ability in the courtroom. You'll note programming (above) is also misspelled -- could be a quote, could be yours---I don't know. What's important, especially nowadays with texting, tweeting, acronyms galore, is that you got the intended message. And, I'd say, in this instance, you did. Language is fluid. Remember, irregardless is now in the dictionary after years of misuse it was accepted as a word.  So, back to your question..."what kind of person?..." -- could be (or could of been) anyone!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 03, 2011, 07:50:02 am
Ted--
Ask anyone in the business world, all sorts of people (some very bright) don't write or spell well. One of my lawyer friends who was a piss-poor speller admitted that in himself and noted it was true of many lawyers/judges. It did not diminish their ability in the courtroom. You'll note programming (above) is also misspelled -- could be a quote, could be yours---I don't know. What's important, especially nowadays with texting, tweeting, acronyms galore, is that you got the intended message. And, I'd say, in this instance, you did. Language is fluid. Remember, irregardless is now in the dictionary after years of misuse it was accepted as a word.  So, back to your question..."what kind of person?..." -- could be (or could of been) anyone!

 :D  when I was a Sheriff's Deputy I was a horrible speller, but I wasn't alone, most of my peer's weren't all that great at it,  I went out and bought one of them Franklin-spellers, so that at the end of my shift I could write crime reports, as long as I got a conviction for a crime committed in the courts, and the DA could read it, I didn't worry much about it, I too often EDIT my post for spelling errors a lot in here  :D

ya see look at the bottom of the post, EDITED, I just couldn't help myself  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 03, 2011, 08:46:05 am
Obama made a gutsy call. His other option was to send Stealth fighters over and bomb the compound to smitherenes, keeping our soldiers out of harm, but we would prob not be able to confirm that we killed OBL. He opted for the more dangerous approach of sending in special ops and killing and retrieving the body. If this option had gone wrong, Obama would have paid dearly. something akin to Carter and the failed hostage rescue. A Gutsy call from a Gutsy guy

Whether you are repub or Dem you ahve to give him credit. I saw clips of Glen Beck, Rep King giving high praise to Obama...so there are some that are seeing it as it is...a win for all Americans.

One of the most poignant things I saw in the crowd gathered in front of the white house was a man in a Bush/Cheney shirt arm in arm with a guy in an Obama shirt swaying back and forth and singing God Bless America :)

-W
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 03, 2011, 10:53:56 am
Artist Rendering of OBL Death photo to be released later today..

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/osamabin.jpg)


*PLEASE NOTE- This is NOT the Actual Photo.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 03, 2011, 11:34:47 am
It sure is a good thing that ole Osama wasn't a hypocrite and believed in hatred of America! (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-03/bin-laden-aides-bought-big-orders-of-pepsi-and-coke-grocer-says.html)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Dachshund on May 03, 2011, 11:53:32 am
Corpse dragging is so de classe.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 03, 2011, 12:22:11 pm
It sure is a good thing that ole Osama wasn't a hypocrite and believed in hatred of America! (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-03/bin-laden-aides-bought-big-orders-of-pepsi-and-coke-grocer-says.html)

chose major brands and equally favored Pepsi and Coke

Well I guess he failed to solve the age old question of "Coke or Pepsi" :(

Dammit
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 03, 2011, 01:14:37 pm
Living in Canada, I have to tell you, the view from here is very different. While watching US news and the revelers cheering OBL's demise, I cannot help but to remember the scenes of Muslims rioting over the burning of a Koran. I'm not saying that America should not rejoice that an evil man is gone. However, just think of the message we could have sent the world, if instead of cheering because we killed a maniac, we had honored all the American lives lost to this man and his form of radicalism. It seems to me that America continues to promote this image of violence, by concentrating on who will killed, as opposed to trying to finally find some closure for all of those Americans so brutally murdered by OBL and his minions.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 03, 2011, 01:55:51 pm
Living in Canada, I have to tell you, the view from here is very different. While watching US news and the revelers cheering OBL's demise, I cannot help but to remember the scenes of Muslims rioting over the burning of a Koran. I'm not saying that America should not rejoice that an evil man is gone. However, just think of the message we could have sent the world, if instead of cheering because we killed a maniac, we had honored all the American lives lost to this man and his form of radicalism. It seems to me that America continues to promote this image of violence, by concentrating on who will killed, as opposed to trying to finally find some closure for all of those Americans so brutally murdered by OBL and his minions.

If I had children I would not want them seeing a death celebrated in this way ... I kinda gag when I say it like this but context is everything and my fear is that may be lost on some , especially the young .
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 03, 2011, 02:47:21 pm
Gee, you think maybe he drank way too much coke or Pepsi, maybe that's why he's DEAD  :D kudos on buying American tho  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 03, 2011, 04:13:29 pm
It sure is a good thing that ole Osama wasn't a hypocrite and believed in hatred of America! (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-03/bin-laden-aides-bought-big-orders-of-pepsi-and-coke-grocer-says.html)

Yeah, they showed this earlier today on Bloomberg.  Apparently he was also a fan of some luxury hair products made in Europe and America.


USA #1!!!!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 03, 2011, 04:45:47 pm
Yeah, they showed this earlier today on Bloomberg.  Apparently he was also a fan of some luxury hair products made in Europe and America.


USA #1!!!!

La Prairie Skin Caviar Luxe? How Donatella!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 03, 2011, 05:11:18 pm
This just in: YOUNG PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

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(Via Sean Bonner (http://seanbonner.tumblr.com/post/5153568939/mbyhoff-peterfeld-tanya77-hats-off-to-ned))

MtD
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 03, 2011, 05:17:21 pm
Not a good thing . My 25 year old niece asked me once who Hitler was .
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 03, 2011, 05:19:18 pm
Not a good thing . My 25 year old niece asked me once who Hitler was .

Most young folks don't know jack about anything, nor do they care
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 03, 2011, 06:22:39 pm
Living in Canada, I have to tell you, the view from here is very different. While watching US news and the revelers cheering OBL's demise, I cannot help but to remember the scenes of Muslims rioting over the burning of a Koran. I'm not saying that America should not rejoice that an evil man is gone. However, just think of the message we could have sent the world, if instead of cheering because we killed a maniac, we had honored all the American lives lost to this man and his form of radicalism. It seems to me that America continues to promote this image of violence, by concentrating on who will killed, as opposed to trying to finally find some closure for all of those Americans so brutally murdered by OBL and his minions.

I suspect that if it had been two towers in Toronto that fell and 3,000 Canadians that were murdered things might look different up there.  I, for one, am spending no time wringing my hands over how this "looks" to the world.  I'm sure there were folks in many nations celebrating the death of Hitler back in the 40's.

At any rate -- I suspect that the celebrations were not so much about Osama's death as they were about the "victory" his demise represented.  Had we simply captured him -- I am sure the same celebrations would have taken place.  So -- remember, HE declared war on us, this is a victory that should be celebrated (again, not necessarily his death, but the fact that we removed him from the field).  We still have others to deal with, but this was certainly something to be celebrated.

Mike
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 03, 2011, 06:29:12 pm
 instead of cheering because we killed a maniac,


 I understand that celebration is not for everyone. I appreciate that and respect that. Some people choose to light candles, or pray in silence (I've prayed over this), some people choose to ignore the whole situation. We each react in our own way.

I applaud the killing, I am happy that he was killed, No I am elated that he was killed. It does my heart good to know that the last thing he saw on this earth was an American coming at him with a gun. I make no apologies, I hope the shot to his stomach occured first so that he suffered, if only for a second.

Call me abrasive, call me uncaring, call me what you want, It is what it is.

Took a look at a partial resume for Al Quead, headed by and funded by Bin LAden:

Early 90's2 hotels in Aden yemen 75 civilians killed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks)

1997 Funded the Luxor Massacre in Egypt killing 62 civilians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks)

1998 bombed 2 US embassies in East Africa, Killing 200 people

2000 bombed USS Cole (act of war) killing 17 americans

American Nick Berg beheaded 2004

Daniel Pearl of the wall Street Journal Beheaded in 2002 (There are hundreds more beheadings)

2007 - Al Queada in Iraq was responsible for killing 3800 civilians.http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

2009 - Attempted to biing down American Airliner over Detroit, 290 people aboard.

1996 - Declared war on America and instructed his Alqueada network to "kill the Americans and their allies - civilians and military,” wherever they may be. " See the above, he followed through with these threats.


But most of all -
Sept. 2001 -  3000 Mothers, fathers, brothers and children killed. 343 of them Firefighters (my son is a firefighter in a large Texas City). 8 Young Children were killed on 9/11 ranging in age from 3 to 11. (I have a 12 year old son).

The resources of 3 different presidents were put into Killing Bin LAden, beginning with Clinton and ending with Obama.

This is why I choose to celebrate.

-Will
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: anniebc on May 03, 2011, 06:35:02 pm
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate"
-Martin Luther King, Jr.”


I'm also glad he is dead, the mere mention of what happened on 9/11 still sends shiver up my spine, but Victory can only be claimed when a war ends..sadly I fear this war is far from over.

In sadness for those who have died because he lived and for those who will die becaue of his demise.
Jan :'(
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 03, 2011, 06:52:31 pm

I'm also glad he is dead, the mere mention of what happened on 9/11 still sends shiver up my spine, but Victory can only be claimed when a war ends..sadly I fear this war is far from over.

In sadness for those who have died because he lived and for those who will die becaue of his demise.
Jan :'(

Yes Jan I agree.

I am not celebrating absolute Victory here, I am celebrating the death of a Tyrant who intentionally killed innocent civilians. I am under no illusions that the senseless killings will suddenly stop, however I believe this is the beginning of the end. At least I pray it is.

-Will
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 03, 2011, 07:41:48 pm



   I'm glad he was brutally killed.  I wish they could have revived him so they could kill him once more.  Personally, I think we did the guy a huge favor by burying him in the sea.  Because he's gonna need a lotta water where he's going.  Burn in hell Osama Bin Laden....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 03, 2011, 07:52:44 pm


   I'm glad he was brutally killed.  I wish they could have revived him so they could kill him once more.  Personally, I think we did the guy a huge favor by burying him in the sea.  Because he's gonna need a lotta water where he's going.  Burn in hell Osama Bin Laden....

For REAL what's with all this koombayah SHIT I'm glad the motherfucker is DEAD too  ;D I'm an ex cop, and we used to shoot & kill douche bag criminals just to save the tax payer's the money........
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: NycJoe on May 03, 2011, 08:12:34 pm
I think Americans have been celebrating because finally after almost 10 years he was found and eliminated.  It was a much needed “win” for us.  It took a hell of a long time, but we accomplished what we set out to do.  I don't wish death on most people.  Someone like OBL though?  A mastermind of an event that killed thousands of innocent people including children?  Sorry, I am glad he is gone.  He was the definition of evil.  Also I agree that any country that this had occurred in would feel the same.  It is very personal the United States just as it would have been to Canada if it had happened there.  I know slamming the US has been in vogue for a while, and while it is an imperfect place, I love it, I'm proud to call it home.  I can't imagine living anywhere else.   With the bad there is much good.  I am sure most people feel that way wherever they live though.  We will never be completely out of danger, but for now, I must join in the chorus…..USA!

Joe

P.S. Even though it is nice in theory, as Denb45 said, sometimes you have to say fuck the kumbaya shit. 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: woodshere on May 03, 2011, 08:14:50 pm
I'm an ex cop, and we used to shoot & kill douche bag criminals just to save the tax payer's the money........

So much for innocent until proven guilty, huh?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 03, 2011, 08:30:14 pm
So much for innocent until proven guilty, huh?
  SHit the jail is full and so is the prison system, there aint no fucking room  for nobody
go ahead and kill, lie & steal, you be justified in the END  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 03, 2011, 08:35:13 pm
I was just having the conversation about how celebrating his death looks---just like when many Muslims celebrated the towers falling.  They see things from their perspective and we see things from ours.  Many would say Pres. Bush is THE NUMBER ONE terrorist and is responsible for so many innocent lives in a war started under false premises.  They see him as enemy number one.  Is it really that much different?  Sure, Bush can say he didn't purposely target civilians and fly planes into buildings.  But, he is responsible for more than 3,000 innocent deaths.  Conservative estimates are between 50-100k in Iraq, right?  But, that is done in the name of freedom.

About my remark on spelling....I was making a joke about how people who watch Brothers and Sisters are thought to be more educated--East Coast and West Coast thang.  Plus, the comment was just stupid that they should not have cut into the show.  My mom only has a 3rd grade education and can't spell well at all.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 03, 2011, 09:05:48 pm
I did not realize President Obama's breaking announcement broke into the "Celebrity Apprentice" Sunday night.  That is so good it has to be fattening.  Jon Stewart is so funny in Monday night's "The Daily Show."  He talks about being apprehensive about celebrating the death of a human being, but he can't help feeling the way he does.  This was a good show.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/big-deady

This video is from "Jimmy Kimmel Live" where Jimmy does a side-by-side comparison of what Trump was saying and doing Sunday night and what Pres. Obama was doing and saying.  I doubt the news media will give Trump more attention after this, but I've been surprised before. 

http://abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video-detail/clips/pl_PL5520978/vd_VD55124827
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 03, 2011, 09:45:47 pm
and we knew this was coming..


Taliban: Reports of bin Laden's death greatly exaggerated

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/03/2199264/taliban-reports-of-bin-ladens.html
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 03, 2011, 10:28:24 pm
I was just having the conversation about how celebrating his death looks---just like when many Muslims celebrated the towers falling.  They see things from their perspective and we see things from ours.  Many would say Pres. Bush is THE NUMBER ONE terrorist and is responsible for so many innocent lives in a war started under false premises.  They see him as enemy number one.  Is it really that much different?  Sure, Bush can say he didn't purposely target civilians and fly planes into buildings.  But, he is responsible for more than 3,000 innocent deaths.  Conservative estimates are between 50-100k in Iraq, right?  But, that is done in the name of freedom.

Look -- I am NO FAN of Bush, he never should have been installed as President in 2000, nor elected in 2004.  His war in Iraq was unnecessary and inexplicable, but to equate him with bin Laden is ridiculous.  Why?  you answered it -- Osama plans were all about hitting innocent civilian and if he had been able to get his hands on a nuclear device, well, the 50-100k you mentioned would be small potatos.
I am simply not understanding all the sudden concern for Osama, his demise or the "unseemly" American reaction -- he certainly didn't have any concern for you, nor would he have concern if he caused your demise or the "unseemly" reactiions from his supporters after he blew your ass up while riding the subway home from work.  He was a butcher who brainwashed folks into believing that they were doing the work of Allah.  His "equals" are more the Hitler's or Pol Pot's of history.
Quite frankly, I'd love to see everyone stop even mentioning his name -- that is actually what he deserves -- to disappear and have no legacy at all.

M
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: leatherman on May 03, 2011, 11:21:22 pm
I'd love to see everyone stop even mentioning his name -- that is actually what he deserves -- to disappear and have no legacy at all.
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Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 03, 2011, 11:31:37 pm
For REAL what's with all this koombayah SHIT I'm glad the motherfucker is DEAD too  ;D I'm an ex cop, and we used to shoot & kill douche bag criminals just to save the tax payer's the money........

I'm sorry Dennis but that's just appalling. As someone who has been the subject of physical abuse and harassment by the police for the outrageous crime of being gay I find that stuff pretty offensive.

It's why I think police, all police, are utter scum. In my 'pinion the only good copper is a dead copper.

But let me say that I think you're just mouthing off. Being a bit of an internet hero. My guess is that during your uniformed career you never fired a shot outside of the range.

MtD
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 03, 2011, 11:56:18 pm
It's why I think police, all police, are utter scum. In my 'pinion the only good copper is a dead copper.
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Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 04, 2011, 12:19:06 am
I suspect that if it had been two towers in Toronto that fell and 3,000 Canadians that were murdered things might look different up there.  I, for one, am spending no time wringing my hands over how this "looks" to the world.  I'm sure there were folks in many nations celebrating the death of Hitler back in the 40's.

At any rate -- I suspect that the celebrations were not so much about Osama's death as they were about the "victory" his demise represented.  Had we simply captured him -- I am sure the same celebrations would have taken place.  So -- remember, HE declared war on us, this is a victory that should be celebrated (again, not necessarily his death, but the fact that we removed him from the field).  We still have others to deal with, but this was certainly something to be celebrated.

Mike

It's not Canadians I was talking about, only me. I should have been clearer, but there are many unanswered questions, with the biggest one, being what gives the US the right to murder someone, without due process of law. Another is how is celebrating the death of someone, any different that assembling for a public hanging in many countries? My point was when we start acting like those whom we believe to be our enemies, we become them and then what is left for us to defend? Within the last 10 years America has condoned torture and who knows what else all in the name of national security, but are we not a country founded on a strong sense of justice?

Pakistan, as untrustworthy as they are, had a point in why didn't Washington at least let them know they were going to do an unauthorized raid within their country. When I reference living in Canada it means I do not get exposed to the hubris of Congress or these folks that think the only good Muslim, is a dead one. I see a very different America, on the outside looking in and some of what I see, is not very pretty. I just cannot see how celebrating the death of someone, is in our best national interest.

I will never understand how such a celebration extols any true American values at all. And if you do not think that other countries are not watching how America reacts, you are very mistaken. To millions upon millions of Muslims, George Bush is no different that Osama. While their professed goals may be very opposite, the price of those goals is hundreds of thousands of Muslim dead, at American hands and for what? Oil.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 04, 2011, 12:36:31 am
Bocker, I understand the joy and emotions from seeing him killed.  I was one of them and found the gathering outside the White House emotional.  My friends and I weren't feeling all sad for Osama.  We were having debates, which is good to do sometimes.  Many Muslims see America as murderers of innocent people.  Many of them also believe this is a Christian war against Islam.  And, many radical Muslims are more than willing to push that thinking due to their perverted interpretation of Islam--although many say it isn't that perverted from what the Koran says.  But, Bush even referred to it as a Crusade.  He is not very bright, so I'm sure Bush didn't even realize the implications of that word.  Muslim youth in Osama's generation saw us back one bad dictator after another instead of standing for democracy.    

I'm certainly not saying I feel sorry for him or believe in that "we brought it on ourselves" thinking.  No matter what our gov't has done, our citizens did not deserve being crushed by 110 stories of steel.  I was saying how they can easily see us as terrorists--in their point of view.  Not saying they are correct in that view.  Most people in Pakistan hate us.  However, I think opinions are changing in other parts of the world for the better and we're seeing that play out now.  But, let's get real.  Bush should have been tried for war crimes.  As an American president, that won't happen.  Osama claims this all started because we came into Iraq the first time in 1991 and used Saudi Arabia as a base--so-called Muslim Holy Land.  Well, I don't remember many non-military Iraqis being killed by us then, were they?  I know Saddam killed many of his people after we said we would protect them but didn't.  I don't think that made us terrorists.  But, I can see how many would see us as terrorists from this journey into Iraq from all the innocent lives and all the torture in Abu Graib and those secret torture sites.  Isn't that the definition of terror?

I do feel bad for Osama's 19 year-old son who was killed with him.  At that age, he was brainwashed for sure and still not old enough to see how wrong his father was and make his own conclusions.  If I were to learn he was killing people, then I would change my view on that.      
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 04, 2011, 01:06:29 am


   I hope they have the SEAL that put the round through Osama's frontal lobe on Good Morning America.  It must be cool to be him.   Can you guys imagine the call home to mom and pop?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 04, 2011, 01:37:07 am
Awwwwww... All the motherfuckers  now have something nice to say about Obama (Trump, Glenn Beck, and even Limbaugh --well the last one maybe not so much).   It must really hurt.

Bin Laden News Finds Pundits Forsaking Usual Comfort Zones (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110503/bs_yblog_upshot/bin-laden-news-finds-pundits-forsaking-usual-comfort-zones)

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: NycJoe on May 04, 2011, 08:03:07 am
I'm glad he is dead, can no longer plan any more attacks.  Over 3,000 innocent lives were more than enough.  There are some people that do not deserve due process.  People like Hitler and Osama.  OSB was 100% guilty, he is on tape admitting to it.  Should we have put him on trial with a jury of sympathetic peers?  Get real.  Someone mentioned why didn't we warn Pakistan we were going in?  Well maybe because more than likely they were protecting him and would have helped him out.  I mean come on.  Again, I am not saying people should be celebrating death, but they should be celebrating that he is gone and can do no more harm. 

Again, it is popular to bash America.  We are imperfect.  There are good and bad people here.  But I wouldnt trade living here for anywhere else.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 04, 2011, 08:12:19 am
I'm glad he is dead, can no longer plan any more attacks.  Over 3,000 innocent lives were more than enough.  There are some people that do not deserve due process.  People like Hitler and Osama.  OSB was 100% guilty, he is on tape admitting to it.  Should we have put him on trial with a jury of sympathetic peers?  Get real.  Someone mentioned why didn't we warn Pakistan we were going in?  Well maybe because more than likely they were protecting him and would have helped him out.  I mean come on.  Again, I am not saying people should be celebrating death, but they should be celebrating that he is gone and can do no more harm. 

Again, it is popular to bash America.  We are imperfect.  There are good and bad people here.  But I wouldnt trade living here for anywhere else.

Joe,

You're right.

The world is a better place because OBL is dead. And the USA had a perfect right to ice his fundamentalist ass.

Moreover freedom loving people everywhere are grateful that his ass was iced.

We welcome the news of his death. We're grateful it was quick and clean. Muslims should be grateful that the USA had the good taste to dispose of OBL's odious corpse in accordance with their bronze age traditions.

It's easy to score cheap points off the USA. It's not very intelligent, but it's very easy. (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=1062.0)

MtD

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 09:07:38 am
I'm sorry Dennis but that's just appalling. As someone who has been the subject of physical abuse and harassment by the police for the outrageous crime of being gay I find that stuff pretty offensive.

It's why I think police, all police, are utter scum. In my 'pinion the only good copper is a dead copper.

But let me say that I think you're just mouthing off. Being a bit of an internet hero. My guess is that during your uniformed career you never fired a shot outside of the range.

MtD

Well, I'm sorry you were harassed for being gay, that's too bad it happened to you that way, but not everyone thinks this way and does this type of thing, that was just a job for me, it didn't define who & what I was and who I'am today...

and to answer you question about ever shooting @ someone outside of a shooting range YES I have, but I didn't kill them, and as for being harassed on the fob as being gay/bi
they knew about me, and I was somewhat out, but, nobody really cared about that....

 I was liked for doing my job and NOT my sexually, in the jail I was the one who was put with all of the gays, cause I was able to talk to them, and guess what, they listened to me, no other officers would ever dare do any of this, but they had to do it, as they found out I was good@ THIS  ;)

You must never assume that everything is one way or that black & white, cut & dry, what happened to you SUCKED, so I can understand your feeling about all of this, keep in mind tho, everyone is different in
the way they think, act & feel about stuff at any giving time, again I'm sorry if I somehow offended you
and I do hope that you take this as such  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 04, 2011, 09:19:56 am
Well, I'm sorry you were harassed for being gay, that's too bad it happened to you that way, but not everyone thinks this way and does this type of thing, that was just a job for me, it didn't define who & what I was and who I'am today...

and to answer you question about ever shooting @ someone outside of a shooting range YES I have, but I didn't kill them, and as for being harassed on the fob as being gay/bi
they knew about me, and I was somewhat out, but, nobody really cared about that....

 I was liked for doing my job and NOT my sexually, in the jail I was the one who was put with all of the gays, cause I was able to talk to them, and guess what, they listened to me, no other officers would ever dare do any of this, but they had to do it, as they found out I was good@ THIS  ;)

Fucking words.  >:(

You're like every gutless coward copper I've ever met. Once isolated and held to his words he blubbers like the great sack of shit that he is.

For the benefit of the record you said:

Quote
For REAL what's with all this koombayah SHIT I'm glad the motherfucker is DEAD too   ;D I'm an ex cop, and we used to shoot & kill douche bag criminals just to save the tax payer's the money........

Account for what you said. Prove you're a man. To me it seems like you're a murdering prick.

But let us not sully this thread with a hijack.

If you want to defend your words, why don't we start another thread and have this out?

Stop hiding behind your uniform.

MtD
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 09:27:54 am
Fucking words.  >:(


For the benefit of the record you said:

Account for what you said. Prove you're a man. To me it seems like you're a murdering prick.

But let us not sully this thread with a hijack.

If you want to defend your words, why don't we start another thread and have this out?

Stop hiding behind your uniform.

MtD

That is what we used to say, as a joke, we never really did this or thought this way, it was locker room & shower humor, you of all people should know this Matty, yes let's not hijack this thread, I agree, I don't need to defend myself to anyone here, it's all good to me  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Matty the Damned on May 04, 2011, 09:45:40 am
That is what we used to say, as a joke, we never really did this or thought this way, it was locker room & shower humor, you of all people should know this Matty, yes let's not hijack this thread, I agree, I don't need to defend myself to anyone here, it's all good to me  ;)

You think joking about shooting people is "locker room humour"?

You vile thing.

Don't you ever presume to tell me what I should know.

You're a fucking disgrace. Not just to gay kind. Not just to positive folks.

You're a disgrace to the species.

And, for what it's worth, I wouldn't piss down your throat if your lungs were on fire.

MtD
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Andy Velez on May 04, 2011, 09:55:41 am
OK, Matty. I get very clearly where you're at. And with very understandable reasons.

But you know we don't tolerate attacks here. Now that you have had your say, let's all continue on with what is clearly a powerful thread for so many.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 09:56:03 am
You think joking about shooting people is "locker room humour"?

You vile thing.

Don't you ever presume to tell me what I should know.

You're a fucking disgrace. Not just to gay kind. Not just to positive folks.

You're a disgrace to the species.

And, for what it's worth, I wouldn't piss down your throat if your lungs were on fire.

MtD

And your a train-wreck, but I must admit, I just can't look away form this  train-wreck, matty I do love your humor, it's too bad that you don't get any of mine, but yet you want everyone to get yours, can we all get along here   RODNEY KING  93   :-* you can hate me if you want , but I still love you tho  :-*


Thank you andy   :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 04, 2011, 10:31:01 am
And your a train-wreck, but I must admit, I just can't look away form this  train-wreck, matty I do love your humor, it's too bad that you don't get any of mine, but yet you want everyone to get yours, can we all get along here   RODNEY KING  93   :-* you can hate me if you want , but I still love you tho  :-*


Thank you andy   :-*

Den, you come back and call Matty a "train-wreck" after Andy just warned him about attacks? I know you saw Andy's warning because you thanked him.

And don't even think about saying the remark was a joke. Even if it was, it surely was not appropriate after Andy's warning.

Consider yourself warned too.

Ann
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 10:43:26 am
Den, you come back and call Matty a "train-wreck" after Andy just warned him about attacks? I know you saw Andy's warning because you thanked him.

And don't even think about saying the remark was a joke. Even if it was, it surely was not appropriate after Andy's warning.

Consider yourself warned too.

Ann

And what remark was this Ann  ::)   and NO I didn't see Andy's remark until after I posted it, and Thanked Andy for this, after the fact, again your so late to this party as always.......
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 04, 2011, 10:49:45 am
Can we PLEASE get back to celebrating Bin Laden's death!

Caution: Canadians and some Americans may be offended by the celebration of death in the following Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iseJJ5ogA&feature=related
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 10:54:00 am
Can we PLEASE get back to celebrating Bin Laden's death!

Caution: Canadians and some Americans may be offended by the celebration of death in the following Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iseJJ5ogA&feature=related

Oh WEEEEE I like this willy  :D :D :D Yes let's all get back on this wonderful topic  ;) but I think we need to change to working of this: ding dong Osama is DEAD  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 04, 2011, 10:55:40 am
And what remark was this Ann  ::)   and NO I didn't see Andy's remark until after I posted it, and Thanked Andy for this, after the fact, again your so late to this party as always.......

Dennis, either you saw Andy's post when you hit reply and went back and amended it before posting to include the thanks, or you edited it quickly enough so it did not show a edit stamp.

Either way, you saw the warning and should have edited out your snarky comments - the remark I was referring to was obviously where you called Matty a train-wreck as I clearly said in my warning.

Keep posting in this thread about this matter - drop it - or your warning will turn into a seven day time out.

Ann
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 10:56:53 am
Dennis, either you saw Andy's post when you hit reply and went back and amended it before posting to include the thanks, or you edited it quickly enough so it did not show a edit stamp.

Either way, you saw the warning and should have edited out your snarky comments - the remark I was referring was obviously where you called Matty a train-wreck as I clearly said in my warning.

Keep posting in this thread about this matter - drop it - or your warning will turn into a seven day time out.

Ann

I'm over it sweetheart  :-* it's all past-tense  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Andy Velez on May 04, 2011, 10:57:48 am
Ditto on Ann's remarks, Den.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 10:58:50 am
Can we PLEASE get back to celebrating Bin Laden's death!

Caution: Canadians and some Americans may be offended by the celebration of death in the following Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iseJJ5ogA&feature=related

Willy i like this one better  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McHyLKw5mHc&feature=related
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 11:00:18 am
Ditto on Ann's remarks, Den.


  dully noted Andy  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: J.R.E. on May 04, 2011, 11:04:40 am

The coroner's report for Ms Bin laden :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OzSNFcwziY
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: OneTampa on May 04, 2011, 11:41:30 am
@JRE: That Coroner's report gets the "SEAL" of approval.

 ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 11:42:14 am
@JRE: That Coroner's report gets the "SEAL" of approval.

 ;)

 :D :D :D  good one Ray  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 04, 2011, 12:02:49 pm


   Saudi police: al-Qaida member surrenders

   RIYADH, Saudi Arabia – Saudi Arabia says an al-Qaida member on the kingdom's most wanted list called from abroad and turned himself in.

Interior Ministry's spokesman Maj. Gen. Mansour Al-Turki said in a statement Wednesday that Khaled Hathal Abdullah al-Atifi al-Qahtani contacted the security authorities from an undisclosed country and expressed his wish to come home.

Al-Turki did not say when al-Qahtani was brought back to the kingdom, but many from the group fled to Yemen after a crackdown.

Al-Qahtani was reunited with his family and his surrender will be taken into consideration while looking into his case, Al-Turki said.

Al-Qahtani is apparently the first al-Qaida operative to surrender after its leader Osama bin Laden was killed on Monday.


Eh heh... the first patron to come forward declining the Blackhawk wake-up call, sweeeeet.......
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: lipoenvy on May 04, 2011, 01:32:18 pm
I shall toss in my traditional wet blanket.

Let's imagine a hypothetical situation.  There is a very powerful foreign country.  We'll call it Hubria.  Officially it is an ally of the United States, but most people in the United States hate Hubria and most Hubrians.  Hubria is much more technologically advanced than the United States, with a far more powerful military.

For the past few years the Hubrians have been using their advanced weaponry on people whom they have identified as criminals inside the United States.  The United States government condemns the attacks, but everyone knows it is cooperating with the Hubrians.  For each criminal the Hubrians manage to kill, they kill about ten Americans who had nothing to do with the criminals the Hubrians are targeting.

Now the Hubrians send a small invasion force into the United States to extract a particularly notorious criminal.  They succeed.  The United States government finds itself in the difficult situation of either admitting that it has been cooperating with operations that killed innocent Americans, or making a transparently dishonest show of indignation over the violation of our sovereignty.  Also, the US government has to decide how to handle the clear message that we couldn't be trusted to extradite a criminal or handle the situation on our own.

How would you, as a US citizen, feel about the Hubrians' action?  How would you feel about them exulting in its success?

This is the situation in which Pakistan finds itself.  This is the situation in which the people of Pakistan find themselves.  It's humiliating to know that a powerful foreign country can swoop into your neighborhood any time they choose to do so.  Humiliation generates a response, maybe delayed, but certain.

I'm not saying that the action which resulted in bin Laden's death wasn't the best option under the circumstances.  But this action will have consequences none of us can foresee.  We tend to think of a single bogeyman as the enemy ("Everything will be OK once Saddam Hussein is dead") and are perplexed when the death of a single bad guy doesn't solve more of the problem.  Things could on balance be better as a result.  Or not.  And this could be al-Qaida's best recruiting tool in years.

It will probably take decades to know, if we ever do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 04, 2011, 01:39:15 pm
I shall toss in my traditional wet blanket.

Let's imagine a hypothetical situation.  There is a very powerful foreign country.  We'll call it Hubria.  Officially it is an ally of the United States, but most people in the United States hate Hubria and most Hubrians.  Hubria is much more technologically advanced than the United States, with a far more powerful military.

For the past few years the Hubrians have been using their advanced weaponry on people whom they have identified as criminals inside the United States.  The United States government condemns the attacks, but everyone knows it is cooperating with the Hubrians.  For each criminal the Hubrians manage to kill, they kill about ten Americans who had nothing to do with the criminals the Hubrians are targeting.

Now the Hubrians send a small invasion force into the United States to extract a particularly notorious criminal.  They succeed.  The United States government finds itself in the difficult situation of either admitting that it has been cooperating with operations that killed innocent Americans, or making a transparently dishonest show of indignation over the violation of our sovereignty.  Also, the US government has to decide how to handle the clear message that we couldn't be trusted to extradite a criminal or handle the situation on our own.

How would you, as a US citizen, feel about the Hubrians' action?  How would you feel about them exulting in its success?

This is the situation in which Pakistan finds itself.  This is the situation in which the people of Pakistan find themselves.  It's humiliating to know that a powerful foreign country can swoop into your neighborhood any time they choose to do so.  Humiliation generates a response, maybe delayed, but certain.

I'm not saying that the action which resulted in bin Laden's death wasn't the best option under the circumstances.  But this action will have consequences none of us can foresee.  We tend to think of a single bogeyman as the enemy ("Everything will be OK once Saddam Hussein is dead") and are perplexed when the death of a single bad guy doesn't solve more of the problem.  Things could on balance be better as a result.  Or not.  And this could be al-Qaida's best recruiting tool in years.

It will probably take decades to know, if we ever do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan)



Pakistan most certainly knew that Bin Laden was within a half mile of they're version of West Point . If they got some hurt feelings over the " incident " I suspect they will recover in time .   
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 04, 2011, 02:03:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 04, 2011, 02:06:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ

 :D oh drewm I love you man  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 04, 2011, 02:27:26 pm
 ;D :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 04, 2011, 06:26:39 pm
I think Americans have been celebrating because finally after almost 10 years he was found and eliminated.  It was a much needed “win” for us.  It took a hell of a long time, but we accomplished what we set out to do.  I don't wish death on most people.  Someone like OBL though?  A mastermind of an event that killed thousands of innocent people including children?  Sorry, I am glad he is gone.  He was the definition of evil.  Also I agree that any country that this had occurred in would feel the same.  It is very personal the United States just as it would have been to Canada if it had happened there.  I know slamming the US has been in vogue for a while, and while it is an imperfect place, I love it, I'm proud to call it home.  I can't imagine living anywhere else.   With the bad there is much good.  I am sure most people feel that way wherever they live though.  We will never be completely out of danger, but for now, I must join in the chorus…..USA!

Joe

P.S. Even though it is nice in theory, as Denb45 said, sometimes you have to say fuck the kumbaya shit. 


I flat out reject the idea that I was proposing any type of kumbaya moment, instead what I was saying is we need to find new ways to live in an ever connected world. I take offense that the suggestion that maybe there is something that America could do differently, because we make mistakes all the time. When I mention this trend toward violence, it is because I have been away from America for almost four years and I have become re-sensitized to violence. Our headline news rarely involves murders, drive-by shootings, rapes, etc. and when a murder does occur, it rarely involves handguns. I'm not slamming anybody here, because no country is perfect. However, what your culture exposes you to, can greatly influence your view of the world and for us to ignore that fact is pure folly.

So when I see the celebrating in America, over the death of another human being, I am seeing it through Canadian eyes if you will and what I see is terrifying. However, what troubles me most is the idea that there are no new ways to promote American interests, or worse, that suggesting a new approach may be in order, is met with disdain. Instead of celebrating the death of one man, why not celebrate the death of his hateful philosophies? Folks across the Middle East are doing just that, showing the world that citizen driven regime change, is possible, through non violence, because that is the true miracle here. I realize that many of these people are being brutalized, but they started the change they seek, through non-violent means, which is the exact opposite of what OBL believed.

Many of these revolts have sought and received the support of Washington and I hope that President Obama will continue to change the dialog we have with the Arab world. The only reason I speak up, is that it is hard to see the "whole" America while living within it. It will always be a great country and a world leader and this death represents an opportunity to change how we deal with cultures that are different from our own. If I was living in Iraq, I may not understand the need to remove Saddam, just because he was a tyrant. At least under a dictator, I had more services than I do now, under American occupation. To many the awful truth is that America came to their country, pursing solely American goals, of removing Saddam and in the process they destroyed my cities, my town and my home.

There are so many victims here, in far too many countries and at some point, countries will need to find better ways to promote their own interests, while respecting the culture of others. I so hope that discussions like this are happening world wide, because wars solve nothing. Whether they are waged by individuals or countries, the only way to win, is to not play the game.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 04, 2011, 06:39:11 pm
I flat out reject the idea that I was proposing any type of kumbaya moment, instead what I was saying is we need to find new ways to live in an ever connected world. I take offense that the suggestion that maybe there is something that America could do differently, because we make mistakes all the time. When I mention this trend toward violence, it is because I have been away from America for almost four years and I have become re-sensitized to violence. Our headline news rarely involves murders, drive-by shootings, rapes, etc. and when a murder does occur, it rarely involves handguns. I'm not slamming anybody here, because no country is perfect. However, what your culture exposes you to, can greatly influence your view of the world and for us to ignore that fact is pure folly.

So when I see the celebrating in America, over the death of another human being, I am seeing it through Canadian eyes if you will and what I see is terrifying. However, what troubles me most is the idea that there are no new ways to promote American interests, or worse, that suggesting a new approach may be in order, is met with disdain. Instead of celebrating the death of one man, why not celebrate the death of his hateful philosophies? Folks across the Middle East are doing just that, showing the world that citizen driven regime change, is possible, through non violence, because that is the true miracle here. I realize that many of these people are being brutalized, but they started the change they seek, through non-violent means, which is the exact opposite of what OBL believed.

Many of these revolts have sought and received the support of Washington and I hope that President Obama will continue to change the dialog we have with the Arab world. The only reason I speak up, is that it is hard to see the "whole" America while living within it. It will always be a great country and a world leader and this death represents an opportunity to change how we deal with cultures that are different from our own. If I was living in Iraq, I may not understand the need to remove Saddam, just because he was a tyrant. At least under a dictator, I had more services than I do now, under American occupation. To many the awful truth is that America came to their country, pursing solely American goals, of removing Saddam and in the process they destroyed my cities, my town and my home.

There are so many victims here, in far too many countries and at some point, countries will need to find better ways to promote their own interests, while respecting the culture of others. I so hope that discussions like this are happening world wide, because wars solve nothing. Whether they are waged by individuals or countries, the only way to win, is to not play the game.


My Kumbaya video was not directed at anyone personally it was a reflection of the snarkyness (in general) of this thread.  :)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 04, 2011, 06:47:50 pm
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrnhgSTNBP50Iao6Q6-H2PwM8w44nFXwdBV4k8TbfJDLnD3lCNeg)


   
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 04, 2011, 07:06:25 pm
Something special for Matty:

Osama Bin Laden's Death is Pope John Paul's Miracle (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/05/02/president-osama-bin-ladens-death-pope-john-paul-iis-miracle/)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 04, 2011, 07:19:29 pm

Whether they are waged by individuals or countries, the only way to win, is to not play the game.


100% agreement with you here Joe. But until Human beings can evolve to a point where there are no wars, no terrorism, and the like....I want my leader to be saying this:

"We will never tolerate our security being threatened, nor stand idly by when our people have been killed. We will be relentless in defense of our citizens and our friends and allies." - Obama

"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority." - Barack Obama (2008 debate)

and I expect my leader to follow through...which he did.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 04, 2011, 10:18:23 pm
I flat out reject the idea that I was proposing any type of kumbaya moment, instead what I was saying is we need to find new ways to live in an ever connected world. I take offense that the suggestion that maybe there is something that America could do differently, because we make mistakes all the time. When I mention this trend toward violence, it is because I have been away from America for almost four years and I have become re-sensitized to violence. Our headline news rarely involves murders, drive-by shootings, rapes, etc. and when a murder does occur, it rarely involves handguns. I'm not slamming anybody here, because no country is perfect. However, what your culture exposes you to, can greatly influence your view of the world and for us to ignore that fact is pure folly.

So when I see the celebrating in America, over the death of another human being, I am seeing it through Canadian eyes if you will and what I see is terrifying. However, what troubles me most is the idea that there are no new ways to promote American interests, or worse, that suggesting a new approach may be in order, is met with disdain. Instead of celebrating the death of one man, why not celebrate the death of his hateful philosophies? Folks across the Middle East are doing just that, showing the world that citizen driven regime change, is possible, through non violence, because that is the true miracle here. I realize that many of these people are being brutalized, but they started the change they seek, through non-violent means, which is the exact opposite of what OBL believed.

Many of these revolts have sought and received the support of Washington and I hope that President Obama will continue to change the dialog we have with the Arab world. The only reason I speak up, is that it is hard to see the "whole" America while living within it. It will always be a great country and a world leader and this death represents an opportunity to change how we deal with cultures that are different from our own. If I was living in Iraq, I may not understand the need to remove Saddam, just because he was a tyrant. At least under a dictator, I had more services than I do now, under American occupation. To many the awful truth is that America came to their country, pursing solely American goals, of removing Saddam and in the process they destroyed my cities, my town and my home.

There are so many victims here, in far too many countries and at some point, countries will need to find better ways to promote their own interests, while respecting the culture of others. I so hope that discussions like this are happening world wide, because wars solve nothing. Whether they are waged by individuals or countries, the only way to win, is to not play the game.



Joe,

I get what you are saying and don't disagree with the ideas behind it.  However, I think you are reading way too much iinto the spontaneous celebrations that happened after the announcement of Osama's death.  I am sure that those SAME celebrations would have happened if the announcement had been that Osama had been captured.
And for clarity -- celebrating the death of a human being may be wrong -- I don't see Osama as human.  I also, don't tie it in to Muslims.  I tie to fundamentalists who think they know what their god wants -- fundamentalism exists in many religions and millions have died over the centuries because of it.
Is American culture filled with violence -- yeah.  Is this what caused those celebrations -- I say, NO.  It was simply the joy for this small victory.  Will there be consequences because of his death?  Probably -- but here is the rest of the statement that others aren't saying -- there would have been consequences with his continued living.  Given the two options -- I'll take what we now have to face.

Mike
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: poz1970 on May 05, 2011, 12:40:03 am
Yay,

he's dead.

Move on.

Take how many trillion from the US budget and spend it on food/clothing? ya know, helping people instead of killing them!
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 05, 2011, 12:46:31 am
I find it interesting that Osama was buying AMERICAN Pepsi everyday and other American products such as medications and toothpaste.  I would have thought if you hated America that much, you would boycott all U.S. products.  

Another interesting fact I didn't know-----Pres. Bush closed the CIA taskforce that was searching for Osama in 2005.  That compound was built in 2005.  Strange.  Osama obviously believed he was now fairly safe.  I also love these polls coming out.  Most repubs give more credit to Bush for killing Osama.  Now, how does that work?  

MODIFIED:

I just saw Native American leaders are criticizing the use of the code word "Geronimo" to signal Osama was killed.  The Senate Indian Affairs Committee will hold hearings on this, Thursday.  I thought that would cause trouble.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 05, 2011, 01:06:03 am
I find it interesting that Osama was buying AMERICAN Pepsi everyday and other American products such as medications and toothpaste.  

Take comfort in knowing he doesn't enjoy these products no more.  I'm sure he loved the American made M-16 round that parted his dome while wife number 67 tried to shot block.... 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 05, 2011, 09:55:49 am
You know it's gonna be a bad day when you see a German Shepard with body armor and night vision goggles being lowered from a Stealth Black Hawk into your back yard.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04/military-working-dog-used-bin-laden-compound-raid/

Among the commandos was a heroic canine – a bomb-sniffing dog who was attached to a team member as the SEALs were lowered from a Black Hawk.

The dogs are well-protected in these dangerous situations, armed with ballistic body armor, protective gear to shield against bullets and shrapnel, and infrared night-sight cameras that provide crucial feedback to troops and warn of potential ambushes

All this soldier wants is a doggie treat as his reward.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Jeff G on May 05, 2011, 10:21:41 am
You know it's gonna be a bad day when you see a German Shepard with body armor and night vision goggles being lowered from a Stealth Black Hawk into your back yard.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04/military-working-dog-used-bin-laden-compound-raid/

Among the commandos was a heroic canine – a bomb-sniffing dog who was attached to a team member as the SEALs were lowered from a Black Hawk.

The dogs are well-protected in these dangerous situations, armed with ballistic body armor, protective gear to shield against bullets and shrapnel, and infrared night-sight cameras that provide crucial feedback to troops and warn of potential ambushes

All this soldier wants is a doggie treat as his reward.


I would rather see them use the laser cats from snl but that's just my preference . When my bulldog farts she sometimes walks in circles to get a better whiff so I'm sure I could teach her to sniff bombs and like it . 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 05, 2011, 10:45:03 am
I would rather see them use the laser cats from snl but that's just my preference . When my bulldog farts she sometimes walks in circles to get a better whiff so I'm sure I could teach her to sniff bombs and like it . 

 :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 05, 2011, 01:04:34 pm
Out of curiosity how many of the people who are happy that OBL is dead are also against the death penalty?  To me this is a very extreme case of the death penalty.  I would gladly be the man that shot dead many a murderous bastard throughout history, and feel no remorse about it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 05, 2011, 03:13:47 pm
Out of curiosity how many of the people who are happy that OBL is dead are also against the death penalty?  To me this is a very extreme case of the death penalty.  I would gladly be the man that shot dead many a murderous bastard throughout history, and feel no remorse about it whatsoever.

He was leader of the Al-Qaeda with whom we are supposedly at war with.  There is no court on the battlefield.  See the problem is these radical fundamentalist groups don't fight your so-called traditional warfare.  So when we invade somebody's little gated casa located on a lush mountain side it just doesn't seem right.  But, make no mistake about it, it's still a war.   LOL I wonder if everyone thought the guy was going to make a valiant last stand like the Battle of the Bulge or something... 

This has been both humorous and disappointing at the same time.
 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: thunter34 on May 05, 2011, 05:10:13 pm
Out of curiosity how many of the people who are happy that OBL is dead are also against the death penalty?  To me this is a very extreme case of the death penalty.  I would gladly be the man that shot dead many a murderous bastard throughout history, and feel no remorse about it whatsoever.

I think to say the comparison is a stretch is to put it mildly.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 05, 2011, 05:14:57 pm
He was leader of the Al-Qaeda with whom we are supposedly at war with.  There is no court on the battlefield.  See the problem is these radical fundamentalist groups don't fight your so-called traditional warfare.  So when we invade somebody's little gated casa located on a lush mountain side it just doesn't seem right.  But, make no mistake about it, it's still a war.   LOL I wonder if everyone thought the guy was going to make a valiant last stand like the Battle of the Bulge or something...  

This has been both humorous and disappointing at the same time.
  


Yeah .....I was aroused & disgusted all @ the same time, it felt kinda odd, and didn't wanna to come back to this thread, so I just keep on lurking for a while.....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Dachshund on May 05, 2011, 06:04:15 pm
Out of curiosity how many of the people who are happy that OBL is dead are also against the death penalty?  To me this is a very extreme case of the death penalty.  I would gladly be the man that shot dead many a murderous bastard throughout history, and feel no remorse about it whatsoever.

Clear conscience or no conscience?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 05, 2011, 06:14:23 pm
Why do they keep changing this story about what really happened? does anyone know or have any thought about this  ::)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Dachshund on May 05, 2011, 06:15:14 pm
Watching the families of the victims of 9/11 being interviewed gives me the greatest sense of pride in Americans. Dignified is the word that comes to mind.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 05, 2011, 06:20:33 pm
Watching the families of the victims of 9/11 being interviewed gives me the greatest sense of pride in Americans. Dignified is the word that comes to mind.

Yeah Dach, I mean at least they will get some kinda belated closure......but on the flip -side it kinda makes you wonder @ what cost, and what will come outta all of this further down the road in the middle east?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 05, 2011, 06:21:11 pm
Why do they keep changing this story about what really happened? does anyone know or have any thought about this  ::)

Debriefing of the SEAL unit compounded by distance (they're at a base in Afghanistan and the information is being released in real time of sorts in Washington).
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 05, 2011, 06:22:31 pm
Forgive the article, but the portion in blue, is what I was trying to say. They just say it in a much clearer way.

New York Times May 5, 2011
In Europe, Disquiet Over Bin Laden and U.S.
By STEVEN ERLANGER

PARIS — No European government has condemned or criticized the killing of Osama bin Laden by American commandos, but the questions raised about the changing details of his death sharpened considerably after the White House revealed that he did not fire a weapon, was not armed and did not use a woman as a protective shield.

Some are questioning whether “justice” in fact was done, as President Obama portrayed the killing, and whether the American troops made any effort to capture Bin Laden alive or whether they simply executed him. And some think that the scenes of celebrating Americans — whether at the White House or at ground zero — are inappropriate responses that are indecorous at the least and at worst could incite more terrorism.

The disquiet is mostly among those on the left and among the elite in the news media, but it is reminiscent of the atmosphere during the Bush administration and the war against Iraq, when the United States was criticized for unilateralism, arrogance, disrespect for international law, triumphalism and a resort to overwhelming military force.

“We’re back, not to square one, but perhaps square four in anti-Americanism,” said Nicole Bacharan, a scholar of the United States at the Institute of Political Studies, or Sciences Po, in Paris. “Whatever happens, we need to prove we are different or better, that we are so much more refined and delicate and have such a respect for the law,” she said, characterizing the European stance. “It’s very silly.”

The reaction is limited, Ms. Bacharan said, adding that she believed that most Europeans and French were “glad he’s gone.”

“I think it’s a small world of journalists and political elites who are not quite sure they should be happy,” she said.

But as a sign of the sensitivity — which also goes to the heart of European concerns about the war in Afghanistan and terrorism sponsored by Al Qaeda in Europe itself — the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, found herself on the defensive when she said on Monday that she was “glad that it was successful, the killing of Bin Laden.”

Her comments were heavily criticized. A member of her own conservative Christian Democratic Union, Siegfried Kauder, said: “I wouldn’t have used those words. That is a vengeful way of thinking that one shouldn’t have; that’s medieval.” And her foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle of the Free Democrats, called on Wednesday for the West to temper its responses, to avoid undue celebration “that could again lead to incitement or the heroization of Al Qaeda.”

At the same time, in comments to the newspaper Die Welt, he said that the death of Bin Laden was “good news for the entire world,” and that “it is understandable to have a feeling of relief that this terrorist who had thousands of victims on his conscience cannot continue to spread his terror.” So long, apparently, as the relief is kept under control.

Nicolas Demorand, editor of the left-leaning French daily Libération, on Tuesday bemoaned the “toxic rhetoric” of the campaign against terrorism. From that rhetoric, he wrote, stems “this base, uncomfortable joy, unprecedented in a democracy, that blew yesterday over the streets of New York.”

Even the editor of the centrist weekly L’Express, Christophe Barbier, cautioned, “To victory one must not add provocation.” He added: “To desecrate the cadaver or the memory of Bin Laden is to revive him. To cry one’s joy in the streets of our cities is to ape the turbaned barbarians who danced the night of Sept. 11. It is to tell them the ghastly competition continues between them and us.”

But Le Monde praised Mr. Obama for his sober speech Sunday night, contrasting it with that of President George W. Bush in 2003, who dressed as a fighter pilot to land on an aircraft carrier and declare the end of combat operations in Iraq, with a banner carrying his “ridiculous ‘Mission Accomplished.’ ”

The Dutch foreign minister, Uri Rosenthal, said in a statement: “It would have been better if Bin Laden had been captured alive and forced to answer for his deeds in a court of law. Nevertheless, this is a historic event.”

For Justin Vaïsse, a French political scientist who is director of research for the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution, the different reactions to the rejoicing “simply reflects the difference in experiences, which you could also see in 2001 and 2002.”

“Nine-eleven happened there, not here. Europeans don’t understand why people would rejoice at ground zero, while it seems relatively easy to understand that in the United States.”

Leah Pisar, who worked at the White House during the Clinton years and wrote a book in French about French-American relations during the Iraq war, “Orage sur l’Atlantique,” or “Storm Over the Atlantic,” said that underlying the disquiet was Europe’s concern about Qaeda retaliation.

“It’s partly the fear of upsetting the Muslim community at home,” she said, adding, “there is an angst everyone is sharing over where Al Qaeda will hit back.”

Many European nations remain on a high state of alert after warnings last year that groups of European Muslims, especially Germans, had received training in Qaeda camps in Pakistan and had been sent back to Europe to commit “Mumbai-style” attacks on civilians. Some were killed and captured, but government officials say that the threat continues.

Ms. Pisar said that France was also worried about French hostages being held by Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the network’s North African branch, “and how this plays into the Arab Spring.”

She also noted that the tone of French foreign policy, under the Gaullist foreign minister, Alain Juppé, who opposed France’s full integration into NATO, has shifted away from the pro-Americanism of his predecessor, Bernard Kouchner.

Ms. Bacharan, who is working on a book on 9/11, agreed, saying that Mr. Kouchner “had a very hard time imposing that view on the Quai d’Orsay, and people were waiting for him to be gone.” Mr. Juppé, she said, spent his career in the Gaullist line of Jacques Chirac and Dominique de Villepin, who made opposition to United States positions a kind of cornerstone of French policy.

Mr. Vaïsse, however, noted that the criticism might have been slightly muted by the Libyan operation. “There, our planes are bombing Libya and tried to kill Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi and missed,” he said.

Mr. Obama has also brought about a tonal shift, he said, noting, “A couple of years ago, under the Bush administration, the reactions would have been ballistic, and far more pointed.”

There are also questions in Europe over whether the killing of Bin Laden was legal.

A columnist at the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, Heribert Prantl, asked, “Which law governs the execution of Bin Laden?” He said that American law required trials before the death penalty and concluded, “The decision to kill the godfather of terror was political.”

Geoffrey Robertson, a prominent human rights lawyer in Britain who is currently defending the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, was scathing in an interview on the BBC. Mr. Obama’s assertion that justice was done was “a total misuse of language,” Mr. Robertson said. “This is the justice of the Red Queen: sentence first, trial later.”

If it were clear that Bin Laden was “threatening to use a weapon to kill,” then his shooting is justifiable as self-defense, Mr. Robertson conceded. But if the order was to kill Bin Laden, he said, that would be illegal. And depriving Bin Laden of a trial leaves him “now as a martyr,” he said. “By killing him, you have ironically given him the death he most desired, a fast track to paradise. I think he died with a smile on his lips.”

Ms. Pisar said there was a double standard at work. “What was the legal basis for decapitating Daniel Pearl?” she asked, referring to the Wall Street Journal reporter kidnapped and killed by Al Qaeda in Pakistan in 2002.

European skepticism stems from the history of Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay, she noted. “But that’s what makes the democracy so strong,” she said. “It’s good that we can ask these questions, and the president has to go out there and be accountable.”

Mr. Vaïsse, like many Europeans, believes that the commandos had orders to kill Bin Laden. “That’s my one real doubt,” he said. “I think they had orders to shoot, quite frankly. It’s so complicated to deal with a living Osama bin Laden. I guess that’s my own conspiracy theory.”
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 05, 2011, 06:34:57 pm
Thanks for the artical Joe, but let me say this, you all know that the pictures & live-feed video of Osama demise will never see the light of day, that will be Classified for EVER....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: pozniceguy on May 05, 2011, 06:53:16 pm
there are  always  the  Wikileaks  folks  out there that will try to get this  stuff on the air........just let it  go  ..it is  over....move on...
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 05, 2011, 06:58:07 pm
there are  always  the  Wikileaks  folks  out there that will try to get this  stuff on the air........just let it  go  ..it is  over....move on...

They can try, but the FEDS will just shut-it-down.....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: NycJoe on May 05, 2011, 07:02:49 pm
I am glad he is gone.  He was a war criminal that killed THOUSANDS of people.   This was a proven fact.  He did not deserve the attention a trial would have given him.  That would have done even more harm.  I think people celebrated that that specific chapter is over.  Just a chapter but a big one.  Also the above article where someone compares Daniel Pearls murder to OBL in regards to legality.  REALLY?  Wow.. Just wow.  I worry sometimes about people. 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 05, 2011, 09:11:00 pm
Out of curiosity how many of the people who are happy that OBL is dead are also against the death penalty?  To me this is a very extreme case of the death penalty.  I would gladly be the man that shot dead many a murderous bastard throughout history, and feel no remorse about it whatsoever.

I am against the death penalty.  I did feel a lot of satisfaction at first, but then began wondering whether it is right to be judge, jury, and executioner even in war?  And, many dems have always said terrorism is more of a law enforcement issue than a military one, which would seem to mean even Osama should have his day in court.  Learning Osama was not armed and hearing his 13 year-old daughter claim he had surrendered for some time and then they killed him, made it obvious this was a kill mission only.  The Seals rushed in and killed his son and others who were holding their hands up to surrender.  Having said that, I understand they were under a lot of pressure and having to make split-second decisions-- knowing who they were dealing with.  And, seeing the video of Osama saying he thought the planes and fuel would only collapse the floors above and not the whole building made me think he deserved what he got.

Oh, how bought that secret chopper that has a skin that makes it quieter than most and makes it sound like it is flying away from you than toward you?  I guess that is why they blew it up.  However, they are concerned China will get their hands on this technology. 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: RapidRod on May 06, 2011, 08:34:34 am
I'm glad he's dead and I'm also glad in the way they did it.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: carousel on May 06, 2011, 09:48:15 am
I am glad he is gone.  He was a war criminal that killed THOUSANDS of people.   This was a proven fact. 

That's fine.  But we have courts to prosecute people, no matter how glaringly obvious the guilty verdict may be in your eyes.

If the intention was to assassinate him, then they should say that's what the plan was.  Or just do it, walk away and pretend you weren't involved, knowing you got your man.  Job done.

This playing around with facts, stumbling over their story and misinformation is making them look like fools.  It's like a bad episode of Judge Judy.

The growing disquiet is as always about the rule of law, the values that we should hold dear and sadly seem to being eroded.  The fact that it was possibly the easier and most expedient action to take him out, should not change the idea that if possible he should have been brought to justice. 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 06, 2011, 10:03:05 am
Osama was expecting his 72 virgins, instead he got 24 Virginians :)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 06, 2011, 10:25:43 am
That's fine.  But we have courts to prosecute people, no matter how glaringly obvious the guilty verdict may be in your eyes.

If the intention was to assassinate him, then they should say that's what the plan was.  Or just do it, walk away and pretend you weren't involved, knowing you got your man.  Job done.

This playing around with facts, stumbling over their story and misinformation is making them look like fools.  It's like a bad episode of Judge Judy.

The growing disquiet is as always about the rule of law, the values that we should hold dear and sadly seem to being eroded.  The fact that it was possibly the easier and most expedient action to take him out, should not change the idea that if possible he should have been brought to justice.  

You bring up a very interesting point here, this happens a lot in law enforcement, when facts of a criminal investigation get all messed-up, the wrong person get's shoot, get's arrested, or they went to the wrong place for a raid, yes misinformation can make things confusing, and a lot of law enforcement agencies sometimes get SUED

for Bad Acts, mistakes, and YES they do end looking like a bunch fools, also keep in mind, that it's a very political position to uphold, with that being said our Govt. isn't anywhere near as perfect as they would have us all believe they are......
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 06, 2011, 01:09:34 pm
He was leader of the Al-Qaeda with whom we are supposedly at war with.  There is no court on the battlefield.  See the problem is these radical fundamentalist groups don't fight your so-called traditional warfare.  So when we invade somebody's little gated casa located on a lush mountain side it just doesn't seem right.  But, make no mistake about it, it's still a war.   LOL I wonder if everyone thought the guy was going to make a valiant last stand like the Battle of the Bulge or something... 

This has been both humorous and disappointing at the same time.
 


Being at war with an organization is a bit of a stretch, there are no clearly defined boundaries, and no civilians.  He committed an act of terror and we decided unilaterally to kill him for it.  I don't think that decision was wrong at all.  I was just curious how others felt about it.  I say this because generally the more liberal a person is the more they are against the death penalty (clouded issue to say the least).
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 06, 2011, 01:12:29 pm
I am against the death penalty.  I did feel a lot of satisfaction at first, but then began wondering whether it is right to be judge, jury, and executioner even in war?  And, many dems have always said terrorism is more of a law enforcement issue than a military one, which would seem to mean even Osama should have his day in court.  Learning Osama was not armed and hearing his 13 year-old daughter claim he had surrendered for some time and then they killed him, made it obvious this was a kill mission only.  The Seals rushed in and killed his son and others who were holding their hands up to surrender.  Having said that, I understand they were under a lot of pressure and having to make split-second decisions-- knowing who they were dealing with.  And, seeing the video of Osama saying he thought the planes and fuel would only collapse the floors above and not the whole building made me think he deserved what he got.

Oh, how bought that secret chopper that has a skin that makes it quieter than most and makes it sound like it is flying away from you than toward you?  I guess that is why they blew it up.  However, they are concerned China will get their hands on this technology. 

You don't get to kill 3000 people unantagonized even "accidentally" and then surrender peacefully.  That's just not going to fly with anyone.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 06, 2011, 01:14:18 pm
Being at war with an organization is a bit of a stretch, there are no clearly defined boundaries, and no civilians.  He committed an act of terror and we decided unilaterally to kill him for it.  I don't think that decision was wrong at all.  I was just curious how others felt about it.  I say this because generally the more liberal a person is the more they are against the death penalty (clouded issue to say the least).

An eye for an eye, or a tooth for tooth? the death penalty as you well know is very controversial  as well as any Law enforcement or Military entity  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 06, 2011, 01:32:22 pm
Hoping this is not a duplication...just found this after reading a piece on the use of canine commandos on the mission.  This is about the use of feline commandos as well and, I just think that there are some here who will understand what a vital role they play not only in the military, but here, in the forums.

http://www.slate.com/id/2293232/slideshow/2293228/fs/0//entry/2293227/
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 06, 2011, 01:51:17 pm
Being at war with an organization is a bit of a stretch, there are no clearly defined boundaries, and no civilians.  He committed an act of terror and we decided unilaterally to kill him for it.  I don't think that decision was wrong at all.  I was just curious how others felt about it.  I say this because generally the more liberal a person is the more they are against the death penalty (clouded issue to say the least).

Sounds more like you're just trying to troll liberals -- what the motive is for this I won't dare guess. 

Regardless, in a legal context Bin Laden was a combatant and hence a capture/kill operation is entirely legal.  Congress authorized force specifically for those that were behind 9/11.  So both US and international law are covered.

Attempting to shift this thread into a discussion of the death penalty is a strawman.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: metekrop on May 06, 2011, 01:53:08 pm
Is this a real pic that has been either leaked or sent out, or just quick work by someone with photoshop?

Yea the source of this pic is the wekileak.  ;)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Hellraiser on May 06, 2011, 02:03:17 pm
Sounds more like you're just trying to troll liberals -- what the motive is for this I won't dare guess. 

Regardless, in a legal context Bin Laden was a combatant and hence a capture/kill operation is entirely legal.  Congress authorized force specifically for those that were behind 9/11.  So both US and international law are covered.

Attempting to shift this thread into a discussion of the death penalty is a strawman.

Why don't you let me speak for myself instead of trying to foist your opinions on me?  I said exactly what I meant to say and I wasn't attempting to steer the conversation.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 06, 2011, 02:08:01 pm
  Did congress declare war on Al Qaeda?

 They declared a so called Holy War against us, you're simply using a technicality over something that is no where near conventional Treybie.   And yes, we did declare war on terror which is what Al Qaeda represented when they took responsibilty for 9/11.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 06, 2011, 02:51:47 pm
The official stance of the United States Government is..

THIS-

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/tower.jpg)

EQUALS -

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/kill.jpg)
*photo substitued for Osama's

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: NycJoe on May 06, 2011, 03:24:07 pm
Wow Wump thanks for summing up my feelings about this whole thing in 2 pictures!  To the point and very effective.  Wish I had thought of it.  Those pictures say it all..end of story. 

Joe
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: thunter34 on May 06, 2011, 03:36:54 pm
Wow Wump thanks for summing up my feelings about this whole thing in 2 pictures!  To the point and very effective.  Wish I had thought of it.  Those pictures say it all..end of story.  

Joe

I am with you, Joe.  This whole subject stirs me up in such a way that I can hardly even post about it.  I've attempted replies for several days and couldn't get through it.  I don't know if you could call it a PTSD or simply a trigger for a pre-existing depression issue, but it literally causes me to cry.  I am crying right now typing this, dammit - and I wasn't when I started.    

But point blank:  I am glad he is gone.  I am glad for how they did it.

And sorry, Joe K:  I absolutely do not fault the crowds for cheering at all.  Not one bit.  Had I been there, I would have been bouncing a beach ball, too...with absolutely no sense of shame for it.

And yeah...I think people shouled get to see the photo if they want to.  Too gruesome?  Well, it was pretty gruesome to have to watch people swan dive to their deaths on the pavement below, but we didn't get much choice about that either, did we?  And may it inflame situations?  Probably.  But they are inflamed anyway.  A fucking comic strip can inspire death threats, so fuck it.  And it isn't like these certain fringe groups aren't already planning ways to blow us to smithereens anyway.  That's a fact that brought us to this point in the first place.

So there ya go.  I'm dried up now and done.  Take it how ya will.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 06, 2011, 05:36:25 pm
I am with you, Joe.  This whole subject stirs me up in such a way that I can hardly even post about it.  I've attempted replies for several days and couldn't get through it.  I don't know if you could call it a PTSD or simply a trigger for a pre-existing depression issue, but it literally causes me to cry.  I am crying right now typing this, dammit - and I wasn't when I started.    

It's ok TIM  :-* it really is man....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: BT65 on May 06, 2011, 05:40:12 pm
I have to say I'm happy he is gone also.  And I was reading earlier that military officials in Pakistan are pretty p.o.'d.  They're saying if there's another attack like that by the US, they want to "re-evaluate" the relationship between Pakistan-US.  Well, we could always cut their money, and not give them nothin.'  Let them eat cake and all that.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 06, 2011, 09:40:01 pm
And yeah...I think people shouled get to see the photo if they want to.  Too gruesome?  Well, it was pretty gruesome to have to watch people swan dive to their deaths on the pavement below, but we didn't get much choice about that either, did we?  And may it inflame situations?  Probably.  But they are inflamed anyway.  A fucking comic strip can inspire death threats, so fuck it.  And it isn't like these certain fringe groups aren't already planning ways to blow us to smithereens anyway.  That's a fact that brought us to this point in the first place.

Granted we had no option but to watch the horrors unleashed on Sept 11 and I am not suggesting that OBL didn't get what he deserved. I am glad that President Obama decided not to release any photos, because now we have a CHOICE of whether to inflame, or let OBL fade with memory. By not providing a photo, America showed that we do not stoop to the level of barbarians and savages and even though you came here and slaughtered our people, we will not react in kind. If you don't think that message is not being heard in many parts of the world you are wrong and it's a message that has been long in coming.

We are not at war with Muslims or Arabs, just terrorists and it's important to remember that distinction.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 06, 2011, 09:57:06 pm
Hillary Clinton said it best when she told Pakistan a couple of years ago to "help us in the war on terror or QUIT taking our money."

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2hx543t.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 07, 2011, 12:19:08 am
THAT'S THE WAY THEY ALL BECAME THE BIN LADEN BUNCH


(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv22/tedunk/binladenfamilyphoto-1.jpg)

Can you pick Osama out?  I think he is the 2nd to last on far right standing up.  It does look like a Middle-Eastern version of The Brady Bunch or The Partridge Family.  It is a shame what religion causes in the world--or what people allow religion to cause.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 07, 2011, 11:07:28 am
Why don't you let me speak for myself instead of trying to foist your opinions on me?  I said exactly what I meant to say and I wasn't attempting to steer the conversation.

Don't worry about it Trey, hey you can troll me anytime you want to young man  :-* I'll listen, hold you hand or whatever you like, troll away baby, shit, your 30 yrs. old enjoy it while it last  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: poz1970 on May 08, 2011, 06:57:49 am
Hillary Clinton said it best when she told Pakistan a couple of years ago to "help us in the war on terror or QUIT taking our money."


In reality, I believe the US will keep giving Pakistan money.  They want the nuclear armed islamic states on their side.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bmancanfly on May 08, 2011, 10:23:23 am
To those wringing their hands over OBL death and the subsequent reaction to it,  I think Maureen Dowd says it best here;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&hp
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: CaptCarl on May 08, 2011, 11:25:48 am

I think that Dowd is 100% correct in her views here. Personally, I am already tired of people whining that OBL should have had a trial, that we had no right to kill him without due proccess, blah blah, blah. The fact is that he did a lot of evil things and needed to be brought down. The likes of OBL will never have any respect for human life. Ever. With this in mind, why should we respect the life of someone like that by doing them a courtesy and allowing them to live? Even if we did stick him in jail, is there any doubt that he would conduct business as usual from behind bars? Mob bosses do this all the time, and OBL would be sure to do the same.

As far as I am concerned, all we did was flush another piece of shit down the toilet. I just hope he doesn't poison the fishies...

CaptCarl
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: newt on May 08, 2011, 01:14:50 pm
The 1,000s who died on 9/11 were his enemy, as were the 10,000s who died in Pakistan at the hands of AQ in the last decade, and the 5 dozen or so who died in London on 7/7 and others who died in Kenya and elsewhere. He was the enemy, he died. War is not about justice, it's about war.

- matt
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Joe K on May 08, 2011, 01:38:57 pm
This is an excellent article, that has forced me to reconsider some of my prior statements.

New York Times

May 7, 2011

Why We Celebrate a Killing
By JONATHAN HAIDT
Charlottesville, Va.

A MAN is shot in the head, and joyous celebrations break out 7,000 miles away. Although Americans are in full agreement that the demise of Osama bin Laden is a good thing, many are disturbed by the revelry. We should seek justice, not vengeance, they urge. Doesn’t this lower us to “their” level? Didn’t the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. say, “I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy”? (No, he did not, but the Twitter users who popularized that misattributed quotation last week found it inspiring nonetheless.)

Why are so many Americans reluctant to join the party? As a social psychologist I believe that one major reason is that some people are thinking about this national event using the same moral intuitions they’d use for a standard criminal case. For example, they ask us to imagine whether it would be appropriate for two parents to celebrate the execution, by lethal injection, of the man who murdered their daughter.

Of course the parents would be entitled to feel relief and perhaps even private joy. But if they threw a party at the prison gates, popping Champagne corks as the syringe went in, that would be a celebration of death and vengeance, not justice. And is that not what we saw last Sunday night when young revelers, some drinking beer, converged on Times Square and the White House?

No, it is not. You can’t just scale up your ideas about morality at the individual level and apply them to groups and nations. If you do, you’ll miss all that was good, healthy and even altruistic about last week’s celebrations.

Here’s why. For the last 50 years, many evolutionary biologists have told us that we are little different from other primates — we’re selfish creatures, able to act altruistically only when it will benefit our kin or our future selves. But in the last few years there’s been a growing recognition that humans, far more than other primates, were shaped by natural selection acting at two different levels simultaneously. There’s the lower level at which individuals compete relentlessly with other individuals within their own groups. This competition rewards selfishness.

But there’s also a higher level at which groups compete with other groups. This competition favors groups that can best come together and act as one. Only a few species have found a way to do this. Bees, ants and termites are the best examples. Their brains and bodies are specialized for working as a team to accomplish nearly miraculous feats of cooperation like hive construction and group defense.

Early humans found ways to come together as well, but for us unity is a fragile and temporary state. We have all the old selfish programming of other primates, but we also have a more recent overlay that makes us able to become, briefly, hive creatures like bees. Just think of the long lines to give blood after 9/11. Most of us wanted to do something — anything — to help.

This two-layer psychology is the key to understanding religion, warfare, team sports and last week’s celebrations. The great sociologist Émile Durkheim even went so far as to call our species Homo duplex, or “two-level man.” Durkheim was writing a century ago, as organized religion was weakening across Europe. He wanted to know how nations and civil institutions could bind people into moral communities without the aid of religion. He thought the most powerful glue came from the emotions.

He contrasted two sets of “social sentiments,” one for each level. At the lower level, sentiments like respect and affection help individuals forge relationships with other individuals. But Durkheim was most interested in the sentiments that bind people into groups — the collective emotions. These emotions dissolve the petty, small-minded self. They make people feel that they are a part of something larger and more important than themselves.

One such emotion he called “collective effervescence”: the passion and ecstasy that is found in tribal religious rituals when communities come together to sing, dance around a fire and dissolve the boundaries that separate them from each other. The spontaneous celebrations of last week were straight out of Durkheim.

So is collective effervescence a good thing, or an ugly psychological relic from tribal times?

Some of those who were disturbed by the celebrations fear that this kind of unity is dangerous because it makes America more warlike and prejudiced against outsiders. When celebrants chanted “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” and sang “God Bless America,” were they not displaying a hateful “us versus them” mindset?

Once again, no. Many social psychologists distinguish patriotism — a love of one’s own country — from nationalism, which is the view that one’s own country is superior to other countries and should therefore be dominant. Nationalism is generally found to be correlated with racism and with hostility toward other countries, but patriotism by itself is not.

The psychologist Linda Skitka studied the psychological traits that predicted which people displayed American flags in the weeks after 9/11. She found that the urge to display the flag “reflected patriotism and a desire to show solidarity with fellow citizens, rather than a desire to express out-group hostility.”

This is why I believe that last week’s celebrations were good and healthy. America achieved its goal — bravely and decisively — after 10 painful years. People who love their country sought out one another to share collective effervescence. They stepped out of their petty and partisan selves and became, briefly, just Americans rejoicing together.

This hive-ish moment won’t last long. But in the communal joy of last week, many of us felt, for an instant, that Americans might still be capable of working together to meet threats and challenges far greater than Osama bin Laden.

Jonathan Haidt, a professor of psychology at the University of Virginia, is the author of the forthcoming book “The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.”
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 09, 2011, 02:02:57 am
What's the 411?  Did torture bring this about?  I've been seeing one person after another saying torture is what intiated this lead.  First, it was the Bush and Company folks saying this.  Now, I'm hearing journalists saying it probably did.  Secretary Panetta said the same.

I still don't understand how someone in prison would have current info on Osama.  I've not heard anyone really explain this in detail.  Was the courier they were following known to Gitmo prisoners for years?  President Obama said this lead came last August.  So, are journalist once again just repeating what they are hearing, or is there something to this?  Please don't let Liz Cheney be right!  If she is correct, does that mean torture does actually work and we should continue to do it?  Of course, they call it enhanced interrogation techniques.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 09, 2011, 02:13:58 am
Oh, forgot to mention "60 Minutes" interview with President Obama about the mission, Pakistan, and related issues that aired tonight.  They gave him the whole hour, so this is broken up in a few parts.  You can watch below, if interested.  I knew Pres Obama came to Ft. Campbell, Kentucky last week.  However, I didn't realize that is where the Seals who conducted the mission where stationed, and they were already back here in KY.  He met with them privately here in KY.     

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7365396n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 09, 2011, 07:47:54 am
Ted

Of course torture works -- that is why it has been done as long as history has been tracked.  Doesn't make it right, doesn't mean we should do it, but make no mistake -- it does work.

Mike
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 09, 2011, 08:41:12 am
Ted

Of course torture works -- that is why it has been done as long as history has been tracked.  Doesn't make it right, doesn't mean we should do it, but make no mistake -- it does work.

Mike

So when a detainee being tortured doesn't really know something and yet to get you to stop torturing they just make something up... that's what you consider "working"?  Should we venture into the Spanish Inquisition since you're saying history can show us the way?  The Salem Witch Trials obtained plenty of confessions to being witches.  Sorry, but that comment of yours doesn't make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 09, 2011, 03:18:58 pm
source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal)

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 09, 2011, 03:43:23 pm
source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal)

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.


This Secret Deal wasn't really a deal at all. It was an ultimatum that the Bush Admin gave to Pakistan shortly after 9/11...to quote "We will bomb you back to the stone age if you do not cooperate with us". At which point Musharraf agreed to allow unhindered access to conduct strikes and raids..hence the thousands of drone strikes that have occurred in the last 10 years in Pakistan. Coincidentally this is the same ultiamtum Bush gave The Taliban in Afghanistan, Give up Bin LAden or we will bomb the shit out of you. The Taliban declined the offer obviously. So Musshareff upon hearing this ultimatum I am sure was scared that Bush very well would have bombed them if he didnt cooperate.

Another byproduct of this "deal" was that the US what start sending Billions of dollars annually to prop up the Pakistani Gov't, and help them purchases state of the art weapons to help fight the extremists in Pakistan, who btw are intent on overthrowing the Pakistani Govt (hell the extremists assassinated their P.M. Bhutto not long ago). And yes of course the Govt will denounce the US in public, they have to to keep a public revolt at bay and to avoid strengthening the pakististani extremists. But in private we are strange bedfellows.

Which brings up another point, many are saying "stop sending the money to Pakistan", which is a nice rallying cry, but it is a fantasy that I seriously doubt will ever happen. Ever. The simple reason for this, but not the only one, is that if we were to stop sending this money the current "quasi US allied" govt would fall, potentially into the hands of the extremists. Then that would mean that an extremist group would have control of the worlds 5th largest Nuclear arsenal. Not gonna happen, plan on your tax dollars going to Pakistan for a long long time, either overtly or covertly

-Will

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 09, 2011, 04:45:45 pm
So when a detainee being tortured doesn't really know something and yet to get you to stop torturing they just make something up... that's what you consider "working"?  Should we venture into the Spanish Inquisition since you're saying history can show us the way?  The Salem Witch Trials obtained plenty of confessions to being witches.  Sorry, but that comment of yours doesn't make a lot of sense.

Darling,

It makes a lot of sense actually, though I never said it was perfect -- AND I AM NOT ADVOCATING IT.  However, when someone has info, torture will often get it out.  Throw all your what ifs at that statement if you will -- but it won't change the fact that if you know something, you will likely spill it if pushed to the limit of physical endurance.  So, sorry -- it's your comment that isn't taking a full view.

Mike
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: OneTampa on May 09, 2011, 09:41:58 pm
Does anyone collect the $25mil?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: zach on May 09, 2011, 10:06:41 pm
Does anyone collect the $25mil?

How about we distribute that bounty to the orphaned children of the soldiers and tower victims that gave their lives over the last ten years to see this day come.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: poz1970 on May 09, 2011, 10:45:29 pm
Does anyone collect the $25mil?

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny-pictures-they-dont-know-who-betrayed-bin-ladin-to-the-cia-but-this-is-a-pic-of-his-cat-the-day-after.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 09, 2011, 11:32:26 pm
So, sorry -- it's your comment that isn't taking a full view.

Mike

no
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 10, 2011, 12:18:05 am
Does anyone collect the $25mil?

I never understood why only $25 Million.  I think we spent that much painting a bridge over the Ohio River.  But, I think many he would have contact with believed in his ideology and theology so much that no amount of money would have tempted them.  Plus, they may have been scared that they would give him up and we would send that person to be tortured, instead of giving them the money.

Back to the torture thang---- I'm sure if someone has info, torture would get it out of them.  But, we know many who didn't know anything would just say what they wanted to hear.  Why would one person need to be water-boarded 200+ times?  Putting that aside, I still don't understand how someone in prison for years would have current info on Osama.  I've read many of the people around him didn't even use names.  They just used words for what they did.  I'm sure this will become an issue during the 2012 campaign and maybe we'll get more details.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 10, 2011, 06:31:01 am
How about we distribute that bounty to the orphaned children of the soldiers and tower victims that gave their lives over the last ten years to see this day come.

Nobody says the widows and orphans of tower victims didn't experience a personal tragedy. But my NY friends tell me every single one of those families received millions, so I don' think they need any reward money.

I would say the first responders who are sick are the ones in need of cash.

Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 10, 2011, 08:42:56 am
Darling,

It makes a lot of sense actually, though I never said it was perfect -- AND I AM NOT ADVOCATING IT.  However, when someone has info, torture will often get it out.  Throw all your what ifs at that statement if you will -- but it won't change the fact that if you know something, you will likely spill it if pushed to the limit of physical endurance.  So, sorry -- it's your comment that isn't taking a full view.

Mike

Thanks for not answering my points, bocker.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: LabRat on May 10, 2011, 10:09:42 am
Great pic Poz1970! That cat has a guilty look on it's face!  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 10, 2011, 10:35:33 am
This just in...


The Pope Floats


(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/0509-pope-boat-credit.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 10, 2011, 11:39:15 am
This just in...


The Pope Floats


What, did the Poop shoot Osama? Or did he throw him into the ocean from that little boat? I'm confuzzled as to what the Poop has to do with Osama. ???
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: emeraldize on May 10, 2011, 12:06:59 pm
It's a thread non-sequitur or since it's amphibious-related perhaps we should dub it non-squirter.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 10, 2011, 12:31:30 pm
What, did the Poop shoot Osama? Or did he throw him into the ocean from that little boat? I'm confuzzled as to what the Poop has to do with Osama. ???

If he did I'm sure he prayed for his soul before he died  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 10, 2011, 01:20:48 pm
It's a thread non-sequitur or since it's amphibious-related perhaps we should dub it non-squirter.


Non-squirter? Think of all the wear and tear from washing bed sheets that would save. ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 10, 2011, 01:22:20 pm
Non-squirter? Think of all the wear and tear from washing bed sheets that would save. ;D

Non-squirting does not sound like fun Ann  :-\
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 10, 2011, 01:30:31 pm
Non-squirting does not sound like fun Ann  :-\

Both Hubby man and I are both shooters & squirting it's our male nature  and we just wouldn't have it any other way  ;D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 10, 2011, 01:36:59 pm
Both Hubby man and I are both shooters & squirting it's our male nature  and we just wouldn't have it any other way  ;D

Ain't that TMI?  ;D

I am not too fond of shooters and squirters; my ex was/is one of them and he had the uncanny ability (or gift) of targeted squirt; his seed hit me in the eye(s) a few times.  He thought it was funny.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: drewm on May 10, 2011, 01:39:13 pm
Jake 'the one eye'd trouser snake' has been known to hit the bullseye!  ;) :o
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Ann on May 10, 2011, 01:39:45 pm
He thought it was funny.

Ouch. Not funny at all.... but I wonder, did it save any tax-payer's dollars?
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 10, 2011, 01:58:50 pm
Jake 'the one eye'd trouser snake' has been known to hit the bullseye!  ;) :o

 @ Rev. Moon and @ drewm, ya know sometimes it just can't be helped  :D
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: phildinftlaudy on May 10, 2011, 02:01:03 pm
his seed hit me in the eye(s) a few times.  He thought it was funny.
That really makes the eyes burn and turns them  very red - but a little visine has always cured mine errr - can help take the red out, that's what I have heard anyway....
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 10, 2011, 03:19:52 pm
oops
wrong thread
Oh hey, did you all read the son's statement in the Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/binladen-statement.html?_r=1
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 10, 2011, 05:37:37 pm
oops
wrong thread
Oh hey, did you all read the son's statement in the Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/binladen-statement.html?_r=1

No, you have the right thread, I just thought it prudent to go off track after 340 posts in the thread :)


My response to the letter from the family is....Sue us.

-Will
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: bocker3 on May 10, 2011, 07:20:37 pm
Thanks for not answering my points, bocker.

I did answer your points, when I pointed out it wasn't a perfect "tool".  yes, torture will get bad answers, because if you are being tortured and have nothing of value to give, you will say anything.  However, what you didn't mention (and didn't answer in my message, I should point out), is that IF there is info to be had, torture is likely to get it out.  Not always, but probably often (no, I have no studies, just common sense).
I will repeat here though -- I don't condone torture, it is wrong and we should not be doing it.  However, I will stick by the fact that torture would not have survived for thousands of years if it didn't produce SOME results.

Mike
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 13, 2011, 12:45:15 am
I prefer experts and studies versus common sense... sorry :)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: tednlou2 on May 13, 2011, 01:55:18 am
Well, I think I have my question answered on the torture issue.  I've been disappointed with John McCain over the last several years for going against his own beliefs in order to be president.  However, I hold respect for him on the torture issue.  He gave a great fact check on the Senate floor today.  He said torture, or enhanced interrogation techniques, gave NO information that led to finding Osama.  In fact, he said torture led to many false leads.  So, these talking points are just that.  The Bush folks are trying to rewrite history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmQo917I6TQ
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: CaptCarl on May 13, 2011, 10:29:11 am
oops
wrong thread
Oh hey, did you all read the son's statement in the Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/binladen-statement.html?_r=1

My response the OBL bunch:

I hereby most cordially invite you to go fuck yourselves. Your father was a tremendously sociopathic piece of shit, on par with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and others like them.

Our country has spend trillions of dollars it doesn't have to try to find your father. We finally did, and we killed him as he deserved. Dear old dad decided to have over 3,000 people arbitrarily killed. He didn't seem to feel that those people desrved any kind of "trial" before being sentenced to death, so why should he be entitled to a respect he himself didn't show to others? As far as the women in the compund getting shot in the melee, well that's what happens when you knowingly spend your life with a mass murderer. If OBL was such a concerned husband, why did he allow women to be in a dangerous situation to begin with?

Last point, considering how much it would cost to keep OBL incarcerated, the only real solution was to plug him. We've wasted enough money on the bastard as it is already, and I doubt you would have ponied up the money to cover the costs of keeping him alive.

Please save your indignant bullshit for someone who cares. Which most of the world does not.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: skeebo1969 on May 13, 2011, 10:41:32 am
My response the OBL bunch:

I hereby most cordially invite you to go fuck yourselves. Your father was a tremendously sociopathic piece of shit, on par with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and others like them.

Our country has spend trillions of dollars it doesn't have to try to find your father. We finally did, and we killed him as he deserved. Dear old dad decided to have over 3,000 people arbitrarily killed. He didn't seem to feel that those people desrved any kind of "trial" before being sentenced to death, so why should he be entitled to a respect he himself didn't show to others? As far as the women in the compund getting shot in the melee, well that's what happens when you knowingly spend your life with a mass murderer. If OBL was such a concerned husband, why did he allow women to be in a dangerous situation to begin with?

Last point, considering how much it would cost to keep OBL incarcerated, the only real solution was to plug him. We've wasted enough money on the bastard as it is already, and I doubt you would have ponied up the money to cover the costs of keeping him alive.

Please save your indignant bullshit for someone who cares. Which most of the world does not.

Extremely well said......
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 13, 2011, 11:02:52 am
My response the OBL bunch:

I hereby most cordially invite you to go fuck yourselves. Your father was a tremendously sociopathic piece of shit, on par with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and others like them.

Our country has spend trillions of dollars it doesn't have to try to find your father. We finally did, and we killed him as he deserved. Dear old dad decided to have over 3,000 people arbitrarily killed. He didn't seem to feel that those people desrved any kind of "trial" before being sentenced to death, so why should he be entitled to a respect he himself didn't show to others? As far as the women in the compund getting shot in the melee, well that's what happens when you knowingly spend your life with a mass murderer. If OBL was such a concerned husband, why did he allow women to be in a dangerous situation to begin with?

Last point, considering how much it would cost to keep OBL incarcerated, the only real solution was to plug him. We've wasted enough money on the bastard as it is already, and I doubt you would have ponied up the money to cover the costs of keeping him alive.

Please save your indignant bullshit for someone who cares. Which most of the world does not.

(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv2/RestingMoth/gold_star.jpg)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Rev. Moon on May 13, 2011, 02:03:20 pm
My response the OBL bunch:

I hereby most cordially invite you to go fuck yourselves. Your father was a tremendously sociopathic piece of shit, on par with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and others like them.

Our country has spend trillions of dollars it doesn't have to try to find your father. We finally did, and we killed him as he deserved. Dear old dad decided to have over 3,000 people arbitrarily killed. He didn't seem to feel that those people desrved any kind of "trial" before being sentenced to death, so why should he be entitled to a respect he himself didn't show to others? As far as the women in the compund getting shot in the melee, well that's what happens when you knowingly spend your life with a mass murderer. If OBL was such a concerned husband, why did he allow women to be in a dangerous situation to begin with?

Last point, considering how much it would cost to keep OBL incarcerated, the only real solution was to plug him. We've wasted enough money on the bastard as it is already, and I doubt you would have ponied up the money to cover the costs of keeping him alive.

Please save your indignant bullshit for someone who cares. Which most of the world does not.

As I said before, I hearts ya. 
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: denb45 on May 13, 2011, 02:39:46 pm
As I said before, I hearts ya. 

Yes, it's true, Carl is a wonder guy, both him & Hubby Norm, I should know, I've met them before  :-*
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: Miss Philicia on May 13, 2011, 05:33:17 pm

Pornography found in Osama bin Laden hideout, US officials claim
 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/pornography-osama-bin-laden-hideout)
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: RapidRod on May 13, 2011, 06:25:27 pm
Thought you might like to know
"How to Recognize a Gay Terrorist"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/RHaines/cid_D0AFA262EDBD476B846CE59BF5C76E14JimPC.jpg)

His name is:
"YOMAMA  BIN SHOPPIN
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: mecch on May 13, 2011, 06:28:30 pm

Pornography found in Osama bin Laden hideout, US officials claim
 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/pornography-osama-bin-laden-hideout)

Hehehe

Hope it was gay porn from Israel.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: phildinftlaudy on May 13, 2011, 06:53:50 pm

Pornography found in Osama bin Laden hideout, US officials claim
 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/pornography-osama-bin-laden-hideout)
I've heard from a "reliable" source that some of the porn was of a South Floridian striking a nude ballerina type pose and requesting Osama wear soccer clothes ::)
And a second piece was a video or picture involving some type of butt vacuum...
Maybe the pics and/or video will be released under the Freedom of Information Act ----
I'm just sayin'.....
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Post by: CaptCarl on May 13, 2011, 07:08:51 pm
I've heard from a "reliable" source that some of the porn was of a South Floridian striking a nude ballerina type pose and requesting Osama wear soccer clothes ::)
And a second piece was a video or picture involving some type of butt vacuum...
Maybe the pics and/or video will be released under the Freedom of Information Act ----
I'm just sayin'.....


ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Post by: pozniceguy on May 13, 2011, 07:12:28 pm
Interesting article with a different point of view about  "why Bin Laden Lost"     Bloomberg Businessweek ,by  Brendan Greeley

couldnt  find a way to refer to it  electronically   May 9  edition  pg 7......   " He died because he was outgunned , He lost because he was wrong"  among other ideas he posts there...

Nick
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Post by: denb45 on May 13, 2011, 07:14:10 pm
Thought you might like to know
"How to Recognize a Gay Terrorist"


His name is:
"YOMAMA  BIN SHOPPIN


I swear Y'all that looks like one of my old BF's  when I was in my 20's ;D
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Post by: WillyWump on May 13, 2011, 07:29:53 pm
video or picture involving some type of butt vacuum...
Maybe the pics and/or video will be released under the Freedom of Information Act ----
I'm just sayin'.....

Please, God no! I really dont want to see anymore Butt vacuuming.

-W
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Post by: tednlou2 on May 14, 2011, 12:59:39 am
When I heard the news about the porn, I wished and wished it would be gay porn.  Can you imagine?  Straight porn would be one thing, but gay porn!  I think Al Qaeda would just give up.  But, many of his supporters believe this porn thing is a lie and a way to make Osama look bad.  So, porn would be the thing to make him look bad?  We have video of him watching TV.  Maybe there is a video of him watching the porn and jerkin it.  There would be a market for that video.

The porn doesn't surprise me at all.  It is another example of just about everyone who is a religious nut being hypocritical and having something to hide.
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Post by: frenchpat on May 14, 2011, 05:04:22 am
This edifying thread has the potential to beat the "I love porn" one.

just give it time...

Pat
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Post by: mecch on May 14, 2011, 05:59:13 am
Knowing fundamentalists' twisted views on women, it was probably German GGG, and some irresistible "made in the USA" big fake tits.

The spy agencies said it's common to find porn "in such settings".  Oh, big discovery!  Its common to find porn on any guy in the world's hard drive. Duh.
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Post by: Miss Philicia on May 15, 2011, 08:49:00 am
source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/john-mccain-to-bush-apologists-stop-lying-about-bin-laden-and-torture/2011/03/03/AF10AnzG_blog.html)

... just love quoting Sen. McCain:
Quote
“The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. We did not first learn from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the real name of bin Laden’s courier, or his alias, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the man who ultimately enabled us to find bin Laden. The first mention of the name Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, as well as a description of him as an important member of Al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country. The United States did not conduct this detainee’s interrogation, nor did we render him to that country for the purpose of interrogation. We did not learn Abu Ahmed’s real name or alias as a result of waterboarding or any ‘enhanced interrogation technique’ used on a detainee in U.S. custody. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts, or an accurate description of his role in Al-Qaeda.

In fact, not only did the use of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed; it actually produced false and misleading information. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married, and ceased his role as an Al-Qaeda facilitator — which was not true, as we now know. All we learned about Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti through the use of waterboarding and other ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ against Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the confirmation of the already known fact that the courier existed and used an alias.
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Post by: WillyWump on May 15, 2011, 11:05:59 am
Top 5 porn sites visited by Osama...

#5.  Bare Burka.com
#4.  Al Show You My Qaeda.com
#3.  Hide In My Cave.com
#2.  Shake Your Tali-bon bon.com
#1.  Ji-STRING-had

Also this..

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/porn.jpg)
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Post by: Ann on May 15, 2011, 11:19:20 am
Tenthouse = coffee on my keyboard. ::) :D
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Post by: RapidRod on May 15, 2011, 03:56:21 pm
Top 5 porn sites visited by Osama...

#5.  Bare Burka.com
#4.  Al Show You My Qaeda.com
#3.  Hide In My Cave.com
#2.  Shake Your Tali-bon bon.com
#1.  Ji-STRING-had

Also this..

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/porn.jpg)
ROFL, that was good.  :D
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Post by: phildinftlaudy on May 15, 2011, 04:09:29 pm
Top 5 porn sites visited by Osama...

#5.  Bare Burka.com
#4.  Al Show You My Qaeda.com
#3.  Hide In My Cave.com
#2.  Shake Your Tali-bon bon.com
#1.  Ji-STRING-had

Also this..

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/porn.jpg)
This will go down as an AIDSmeds forum post classic!   LMAO!
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Post by: denb45 on May 15, 2011, 06:11:32 pm
They sure have crappy porn compared to the rest of the free world  ;D
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Post by: WillyWump on May 15, 2011, 06:24:52 pm
I adore the "Send a Burkagram" on the cover of Tenthouse. lmao.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden DRINK
Post by: RapidRod on May 18, 2011, 08:40:07 am
Double Shot with a splash of salt water.
Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
Post by: WillyWump on May 20, 2011, 10:22:23 am
Not to be outdone by the U.S., the Mexican Navy has assembled their own Seal Team. Look out Drug Cartels!

(It's a chihuhua in scuba gear)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/seal.jpg)