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Title: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 18, 2012, 08:17:08 pm
Mitt Romney? 78% (I guess my "legalize all drugs" response brought that down)
Barack Obama 55%
Gary Johnson 51% (who the hell is he)
Repub - 74%
Lesbotarian - 65%
Dems - 55%

interesting, on Social Issues I side 89% with Obama and Stewart Alexander.

http://www.isidewith.com/

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 18, 2012, 08:27:50 pm
... this should tell you something
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on July 18, 2012, 08:30:44 pm

I need a crystal ball to tell me who at least two three of those people are.

Edited to include the name that was hidden because I didn't click the down arrow.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 18, 2012, 08:33:42 pm
... this should tell you something

Shut up and take the quiz please.

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 18, 2012, 08:38:36 pm
Interesting...

Gary Johnson  71%
Jill Stein 71%
Jimmy McMillan 69%
Barack Obama 68%
Ron Paul 67%
Mitt Romney 61%

Party:
Green  71%
Libertarian 70%
Democrat 68%
Republican 61%
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 18, 2012, 08:42:35 pm
Interesting...

Gary Johnson  71%
Jill Stein 71%
Jimmy McMillan 69%
Barack Obama 68%
Ron Paul 67%
Mitt Romney 61%

Party:
Green  71%
Libertarian 70%
Democrat 68%
Republican 61%

that is interesting.  Especially since Jimmy "The rent is too damn high" McMillan  made your top 3. I couldnt figure out how to answer to get him in my list, I've only seen him on SNL skits.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 18, 2012, 08:57:05 pm
Gary Johnson is former Governor of New Mexico (he was a Republican governor) and left office after term limits (8 years) - He left NM w/ a balanced budget. I read over his position on various issues and I actually support most of his stances on them.

I tend to be a moderate --- must be the Libra in me --- I lean toward Libertarian/Constitutionalist....even though I am a registered Democrat.

I am more for a flat tax, less government interference, reform of Social Security to ensure solvency for the long-term, end of "the war on drugs," --- a full analysis of what the federal government should really be providing and what should be left up to states, local government, nonprofits, faith-based organizations, etc. to provide....

The federal government has really overstepped its role in many areas and has crossed the line more than once in regards to separation of church/state, over-regulation, etc.

What worked 200 years ago, 100 years ago, or 50 years ago - can't possibly be expected to work today... the system as a whole needs to be analyzed and reformed - particularly with the "graying of America."  There is no way the current model can be sustained - it is impossible.......  You can't give out more than you are able to take in and think that is going to be sustainable over the long-term.

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Joe K on July 18, 2012, 08:57:38 pm
Barak Obama - 83%
Jill Stein - 80%
Stewart Alexander - 65%
Ron Paul - 41%
Mittens - 31%

American Voter - 51%

Democrat - 83%
Green - 80%
Libertarian - 54%
Republics - 31%
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 09:08:31 pm
Jimmy McMillan 70%  (say wut)  ;D  yeah my rent is too dam high  ;D

81%
Gary Johnson  ::)

80%
Jill Stein (who the hell is this)  ???

80%
Barack Obama  ;)

70%
Ron Paul (say wut)  :-[


56%
Mitt Romney  >:( Hell-to-the-No)  :(


88%
New Mexico Voters  (not even sure what that means)  ???


90%
American Voters ( say wut)  :D
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 18, 2012, 09:09:54 pm
Shut up and take the quiz please.



Unlike you, I am not a liberal just because I like sitting on huge, dark cocks. In a perfect world you are not better than Larry Craig.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 09:21:34 pm
Gary Johnson is former Governor of New Mexico (he was a Republican governor) and left office after term limits (8 years) - He left NM w/ a balanced budget. I read over his position on various issues and I actually support most of his stances on them.

What worked 200 years ago, 100 years ago, or 50 years ago - can't possibly be expected to work today... the system as a whole needs to be analyzed and reformed - particularly with the "graying of America."  There is no way the current model can be sustained - it is impossible.......  You can't give out more than you are able to take in and think that is going to be sustainable over the long-term.

You go Boy  "PREACH Brother Phill" ( I love you) wish I'd found a guy like you 20 yrs. ago  ;)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 18, 2012, 09:31:52 pm
You go Boy  "PREACH Brother Phill" ( I love you) wish I'd found a guy like you 20 yrs. ago  ;)

Maybe yall can hook up in DC.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 09:36:00 pm
Maybe yall can hook up in DC.

errmm like I said 20 yrs ago. I cannot turn back the clock,wish I could  , and dear ole Phil would have to be around my age  he would have been much too young for my taste back then ;)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 18, 2012, 09:40:34 pm
errmm like I said 20 yrs ago. I cannot turn back the clock,wish I could  , and dear ole Phil would have to be around my age  he would have been much too young for my taste back then ;)

Nice, but the correct answer is "No thanks, I lvoe my husband"  ;)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 09:44:55 pm
Nice, but the correct answer is "No thanks, I lvoe my husband"  ;)

You got that right WillyWump, I'm not interested in tranning another man, I'm too old for that now  ;)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 18, 2012, 09:49:55 pm
errmm like I said 20 yrs ago. I cannot turn back the clock,wish I could  , and dear ole Phil would have to be around my age  he would have been much too young for my taste back then ;)

I actually looked like Justin Beiber in my younger days (HINT HINT WILL  ::))

And was told when I was 15 that I had sweet smelling alcohol breath  :P
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 10:19:34 pm
I actually looked like Justin Beiber in my younger days (HINT HINT WILL  ::))

And was told when I was 15 that I had sweet smelling alcohol breath  :P

That sounds more like willywumps speed to me, maybe you & him should hook-up in D.C.  ;D

but, you might be too old for WillyWump  ;D
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: bocker3 on July 18, 2012, 10:20:36 pm
I'm a little surprised by the numbers.......  apparently I'm more "mainstream" than I thought...............

Barak Obama - 85%
Jill Stein - 85% (who is she???)
Stewart Alexander - 75%
Ron Paul - 51%
Mitt Romney - 34%
Virginia Voters - 84%
American Voters - 91%
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: buginme2 on July 18, 2012, 10:21:53 pm
Jill Stein 94% ( who's that?)

Barack Obama 82%

Mitt Romney 28% (we don't see eye to eye)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 18, 2012, 10:30:04 pm
I'm a little surprised by the numbers.......  apparently I'm more "mainstream" than I thought...............

Barak Obama - 85%

You have the highest percentage of Obama thus far. Which surprises me that you beat Joe with his 83%.

-
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on July 18, 2012, 10:32:11 pm
Jill Stein (http://www.jillstein.org/bio) is the Green Party's candidate for Prez


And was told when I was 15 that I had sweet smelling alcohol breath  :P

Was it beer or Ripple?
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 10:33:52 pm
I'm a little surprised by the numbers.......  apparently I'm more "mainstream" than I thought...............


Mike, it sounds like you & I are more mainstream or moderate, maybe it's our Military Background  ;)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 18, 2012, 10:41:52 pm

Was it beer or Ripple?

Both   :o
What can I say - I was a lush and a whore when I was a young Bieber.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 10:48:47 pm
Both   :o
What can I say - I was a lush and a whore when I was a young Bieber.

"SHAMEFUL" is that what the dammym syphilis thread is all about  :o
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 18, 2012, 10:52:01 pm
"SHAMEFUL" is that what the dammym syphilis thread is all about  :o

Naw.... 
I didn't inhale  ::)

I actually caught the dayummmm syphilis and teh AIDS when I quit being a whore - go figure... Just my luck.



Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 10:54:04 pm
Yeah right..... are there anymore skeletons I need to know about  ;D
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 18, 2012, 10:57:46 pm
Yeah right..... are there anymore skeletons I need to know about  ;D

Well, I recently got stopped by the TSA.... (See other thread)   ;D


If I ever did run for political office, I would reveal all of my skeletons, so the press and my opponents wouldn't have a leg to stand on...take the air right out of their sails.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 18, 2012, 11:01:46 pm
Well, I recently got stopped by the TSA.... (See other thread)   ;D


If I ever did run for political office, I would reveal all of my skeletons, so the press and my opponents wouldn't have a leg to stand on...take the air right out of their sails.

And you would probably get elected by a landslide of the popular vote......just sayin  ;D hey didn't Anthony Weinner  get voted out just for showing his junk
on the interwebs  and a smartphone  ;D
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 18, 2012, 11:34:23 pm
Jill Stein    92%
Barack Obama   83%

Apparently I need to support the Green Party(92%).
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: leatherman on July 18, 2012, 11:45:47 pm
Jill Stein    92%
Barack Obama   83%

Apparently I need to support the Green Party(92%).
when I did this test days ago on FB I scored 86% with Jill Stein and 82% with Obama. After looking up who-the-hell-is-Jill-Stein, I realized that voting Green would be like the year I threw my vote away on Perot. :o and heaven knows I don't want to accidentally split a vote and let any Republicans homophobes win.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: nixsmail on July 18, 2012, 11:59:05 pm
about where i thought it would be,

Jill Stein                     88%
Barack Obama            79%
Stewart Alexander       74%
Ron Paul                    54%
Mitt Romney                 4% anyone above would be superior, well maybe not Paul
California Voters           83%
American Voters          76%
Green                          88%
Democratic                  79%
Libertarian                    54%
RepubliCONS                 4%
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: wolfter on July 19, 2012, 10:01:31 am
I guess there's not much of a surprise on my part.

Gary Johnson       85%
Ron Paul              85%
Jimmy McMillan   83%
Mitt Romney        71%
Barrack Obama    70%
Ohio voters           94%
American Voters   89%
Libertarian            85%
Republican           71%
Democratic           70%
Green                    65%

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 19, 2012, 01:25:00 pm
Shut up and take the quiz please.



Happy?

Obama - 94%
Stein - 89%
Alexander - 73%
Paul - 16%
Romney - 5%

... and this is why I will never truly love you.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 19, 2012, 07:36:35 pm
Romney - 5%


mmm hmmm. you sided 5% of the time with Romney. Was it the "Be nice to the Jooz" question?


... and this is why I will never truly love you.

So you are just toying with my emotions to get at my rockin' body? Typical.

-W
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on July 19, 2012, 08:05:35 pm

So you are just toying with my emotions to get at my rockin' body? Typical.

-W

At least you still have a backup:

Quote
“I feel like I carry myself in a more manly way,” he told the new issue of Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/on-the-cover-justin-bieber-becomes-a-man-20120718), hitting newsstands Friday. “I don’t carry myself as a boy.”

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1117020.1342714210!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/bieber19f-1-web.jpg)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 19, 2012, 08:18:23 pm
At least you still have a backup:

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1117020.1342714210!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/bieber19f-1-web.jpg)

ROFLMAO @ the "Hot, REady, Legal" on the cover.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: denb45 on July 19, 2012, 08:31:20 pm
Yup he's definitely legal tender now WillyWump you better go for it, before you get too old, we all know your such a twink magnet  ;D
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Raf on July 19, 2012, 08:51:20 pm
what the..I've just tried it for the lolz (it doesn't matter since I don't live in the USA) and I got these results:


Jill Stein 88%
Barack Obama 85%
Stewart Alexander 78%
Jimmy McMillan 69%
Gary Johnson 61%
Ron Paul 36%
Virgil Goode 18%
Mitt Romney 12%
American Voters 84%

And by Party...

88% Green
85% Democratic
53% Libertarian
12% Republican

WTF...I'm a green one  ;D maybe that explains why I still get into arguments with my mom, who still like the republicans XD
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 19, 2012, 09:32:31 pm
Virgil Goode 18% -- now that's damn scary. I think you have to practically round up Mexicans and shoot them to score that.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: thunter34 on July 19, 2012, 10:04:50 pm
Jill Stein 86%

Obama  82%

Gary Johnson 69%

Ron Paul  62%

Mitt Romney  25%

GA voters  57%

US voters  63%


Green Party  86%

Libertarian  82%

Democrat  66%

Republican 25%

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 20, 2012, 09:55:38 am
I wonder what made me score so high? Do I love illegal immigrants too much? Or is it the unabashed adoration of killing babies? I'm tempted to take the test a second time.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Jeff G on July 20, 2012, 10:03:42 am
I scored in the upper 90's on the Obama scale but what really put me off was the 62% I scored as an Alabama voter , tell me its not true   ??? .

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: pozniceguy on July 20, 2012, 10:18:44 am
  Gary  Jonhson   87%
  Ron paul           86%
  Mitt  Romney     79%
  Barack Obama    59%
  Texas  Voters    92 %
  American voters 89 %

given the  actual  choices  there is no  choice..

Nick

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: wolfter on July 20, 2012, 10:29:12 am
  Gary  Jonhson   87%
  Ron paul           86%
  Mitt  Romney     79%
  Barack Obama    59%
  Texas  Voters    92 %
  American voters 89 %

given the  actual  choices  there is no  choice..

Nick

Another Libertarian.... ;D  I didn't even know I was one til I took the quiz.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: mecch on July 20, 2012, 10:59:28 am
Another green :(

95%Green
89%Democratic
67%Libertarian
20%Republican



Jill Stein 95%
Barack Obama 89%

Ok but I'm voting for Obama.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Assurbanipal on July 20, 2012, 06:00:37 pm
Obama 92%
Stein 80%
Alexander 77%
Romney 23%
Paul 17%

just another middle of the road type here


Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Raf on July 20, 2012, 07:40:26 pm
Virgil Goode 18% -- now that's damn scary. I think you have to practically round up Mexicans and shoot them to score that.

lol yeah, I had to take a second look at my results and see wich ones I agreed with him....From the list, I disagree on everything except foreign policy (the afghanistan and messing with other countries affairs), domestic policy (about internet laws and patriotic act) and two economic ones (about debt ceiling and bailing major banks).

And the rest are major disagreements.

At this rate....who the hell is Virgil Goode? this one is harder to know than jill stein  ;D. I know, I know..I'll google it later  :P

Of course, it goes without saying, if I were american, my vote would go to obama.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 20, 2012, 08:24:07 pm
so you think the federal government should default on the debt -- are you aware what would happen after that?
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 20, 2012, 08:30:25 pm
so you think the federal government should default on the debt -- are you aware what would happen after that?

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/Untitled.jpg)

Screw the Debt, I say we jsut Spend, spend, spend. and then spend some more.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Jeff G on July 20, 2012, 08:42:21 pm
They always raise the debt ceiling eventually for good reason . I think the law stating that it has to be brought up for a vote should be struck down and more empathises should be put on balancing the budget so that the issue would be mute . Its a political tool for talking points used by both party's so they can avoid tackling other issues and score points with the base .

How convenient it would be if I could refuse to raise the dept ceiling on my credit cards to avoid paying what I owe .   
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 20, 2012, 08:43:25 pm

Or maybe the government could actually learn to live with very limited debt.... the way most individuals have to do.....

I don't have access to an endless supply of money - and, to be frank, our government shouldn't operate like they do..... I mean really, this is becoming a real "bone of contention" with me...... As someone who pays over $12,000 in federal taxes alone, it really pisses me off that there is no concern at all (not only by our government - but even by many individuals) about the lackadaisical and what I really think is bordering on criminal spending of our government.

All sarcasm, jokes, etc. aside - it is unacceptable....and I am finding that I have less and less time and tolerance in my life for those who seem to think that the government has bottomless pockets..... without proposing any solutions to the crisis.

So, long story short - if I had any real choice in the matter - I would withhold payment to the government..... It would be perfectly acceptable to do this if I was investing in a private company. I'm not going to be expected to keep throwing good money after bad - and so it should be allowed with the federal government - I shouldn't have to throw good money after bad investments/expenditures.

Through my personal experiences, I have actually learned the value of a dollar - it's about time that our government do the same - regardless of who is President or in the House of Representatives.

Yes - this is a real sore spot for me.... and there needs to be some accountability from our "elected" officials.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 20, 2012, 08:50:23 pm
so you think the federal government should default on the debt -- are you aware what would happen after that?

So, the solution is just to keep spending and keep incurring debt?

I say, default on the fucker - let people of all incomes, races, political parties, etc. feel the consequences....Including me.

Some of the greatest lessons I have learned in life have come from experiencing consequences..... and some of those consequences weren't even the result of something that I had personally done.

Shit..... what a wonder way to view life.... just do what ever the fuck you want and never experience consequences....    that appears to be the way the government is operating....

Default - then maybe people will actually wake the hell up and quit living in some type of fantasy world where they think that everything and anything should be handled by Uncle Sam and that we can just keep accumulating debt...

In the end, just like the real estate boom, bubble, and bust.... whether we default or keep paying on the debt (approximately 50 cents of every dollar) and keep spending --- the outcome is going to be the same - and it is not going to be pretty.....    Much like HIV, it is completely preventable..... but, similar to HIV, it involves taking some type of action to activate that prevention mechanism.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 20, 2012, 08:53:17 pm
Some of you are exhibiting heaps of ignorance.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: WillyWump on July 20, 2012, 09:20:32 pm
ah, here's a perfect place to post this

.....

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/o.jpg)

I suddenly have an urge for nipple play.

Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: J.R.E. on July 21, 2012, 07:40:21 am

My results:

Jill Stein

on science, foreign policy, healthcare, social, domestic policy, environmental, economic, and immigration issues.

87%
Barack Obama

on social, science, healthcare, environmental, and economic issues.

75%
Stewart Alexander
Stewart Alexander

on healthcare, social, and foreign policy issues.

39%
Ron Paul
Ron Paul

on foreign policy and environmental issues.

8%
Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney

on environmental issues.

72%
Florida Voters

on foreign policy, science, social, and environmental issues.

74%
American Voters


Who you side with by party...

88% Green

87% Democratic

55% Libertarian

8% Republican
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: randym431 on July 24, 2012, 07:35:03 am
83% Obama. 9% Mitty.
I have a better opinion of GW than Mitty.
YES, there should be gun control.
YES, I do NOT believe illegals are the villains of society.
YES, on global warming.
NO, on offshore drilling.
YES, on SS marriage (naturally).
(To mention a few)

I feel Im fairly well grounded.
I never buy Mitty's attempt to demonize people. Even Mormon's.
Im sure Mitty agrees with at least that one... I wonder why???? (the F-ing SOB)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: red_Dragon888 on July 24, 2012, 09:02:59 am
my voting stance...

84%  Barack Obama on social, healthcare, immigration, environmental, and science issues.

81% Jill Stein on immigration, healthcare, social, economic, science, and domestic policy issues.

74% Stewart Alexander on healthcare, immigration, and social issues.

23% Ron Paul (wth) on environmental issues.

12% Mitt Romney on environmental issues.

77% New York Voters on social, healthcare, science, and domestic policy issues.

73% American Voters on healthcare, social, environmental, foreign policy, and science issues.

84% Democratic
81% Green
33% Libertarian
12% Republican

But 100% wondering where is Steven Colbert on this crap?

That's right girls and boys, you have to take a test first before you can vote...

The Environment I side the most with Barack Obama on environmental issues.
Most important to me

Healthcare I side the most with Stewart Alexander on healthcare issues.
Most important to me

Immigration I side the most with Jill Stein on immigration issues.
Most important to me

Social I side the most with Barack Obama on social issues.
Most important to me

Foreign Policy I side the most with Jill Stein on foreign policy issues.
Most important to me

The Economy I side the most with Jill Stein on economic issues.
More important to me

Science I side the most with Barack Obama on science issues.
More important to me

Domestic Policy I side the most with Jill Stein on domestic policy issues.

But gets the message out to me the best?
100% Obama

Who will I vote for?
100% Obama

modified to mention that I did 99% copy and paste.  No I did not type this all out.  :)
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: red_Dragon888 on July 24, 2012, 09:10:17 am
So, the solution is just to keep spending and keep incurring debt?

I say, default on the fucker - let people of all incomes, races, political parties, etc. feel the consequences....Including me.

defaulting on credit cards and loans is one thing, but ...  I forgot my point, but I think the outcome would be horrible.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: poz91 on July 24, 2012, 02:19:08 pm
Default - then maybe people will actually wake the hell up and quit living in some type of fantasy world where they think that everything and anything should be handled by Uncle Sam and that we can just keep accumulating debt...

I was reading not too long ago about how my city has plans to spend millions of dollars to revitalize just one of our local community parks... there's nothing actually wrong with the park, and this is in addition to the 15 mile river walk project underway that will likely cost in excess of a billion once completed.

I'm just sitting there wondering how on earth they can justify frivilously spending this kind of money when our country is trillions of dollars in debt...?!

It's like you say, every state and city and community in the country turns to rich Uncle Sam when they need want money, but they don't seem to want to own up to the fact they helped to create this massive debt and have a responsibility to help pay it off.

Granted, there would need to be some guarantees that the federal government wouldn't just turn around and spend itself right back into massive debt, but if every community, city, and state would simply "Unite" to help pay off the national debt we wouldn't even be talking about raising the debt ceiling or defaulting.
Title: Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
Post by: Matty the Damned on July 24, 2012, 02:37:40 pm
So, the solution is just to keep spending and keep incurring debt?

I say, default on the fucker - let people of all incomes, races, political parties, etc. feel the consequences....Including me.

Some of the greatest lessons I have learned in life have come from experiencing consequences..... and some of those consequences weren't even the result of something that I had personally done.

Shit..... what a wonder way to view life.... just do what ever the fuck you want and never experience consequences....    that appears to be the way the government is operating....

Default - then maybe people will actually wake the hell up and quit living in some type of fantasy world where they think that everything and anything should be handled by Uncle Sam and that we can just keep accumulating debt...

In the end, just like the real estate boom, bubble, and bust.... whether we default or keep paying on the debt (approximately 50 cents of every dollar) and keep spending --- the outcome is going to be the same - and it is not going to be pretty.....    Much like HIV, it is completely preventable..... but, similar to HIV, it involves taking some type of action to activate that prevention mechanism.

You can't default. It doesn't work like that.

Note I'm not saying "shouldn't" or "mustn't" --

I'm saying "can't".

The US is a net exporter of debt. You've got nothing to sell other than debt.

And a goodly portion of that debt, well it's held by China.

At let's face it, those inscrutable motherfuckers are not gonna let y'all default.

It's alright for resource rich economies like Australia -- we still have stuff we can dig up and shove down the insatiable maw of the Chinese.

And if things drop off in the meantime, it's ok. Our debt is a tiny fraction of our GNP.

But you guys cannot default.

You can't cut spending either (well not without massive social repercussions), you can only raise taxes.

The interesting thing will be how Congress goes about that.

MtD

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Post by: WillyWump on July 24, 2012, 04:13:53 pm
there's nothing actually wrong with the park, and this is in addition to the 15 mile river walk project underway that will likely cost in excess of a billion once completed.

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Ah San Antonio. Yes, and the recent floods washed away about 2 million worth of equipment and recent work on the Mission reach river walk. LOL. Idiots.

-Will
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Post by: leatherman on July 24, 2012, 05:22:12 pm
how on earth they can justify frivilously spending this kind of money
oh course, it's "frivolous spending" ::) when you totally forget about all those companies doing the work that will get income, and all those workers who'll earn wages, and all the purchases those companies and workers will make within your community allowing others to keep their service, sales, and food jobs, earning their own wages and spending in your community..... ::)
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Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 24, 2012, 08:23:14 pm
oh course, it's "frivolous spending" ::) when you totally forget about all those companies doing the work that will get income, and all those workers who'll earn wages, and all the purchases those companies and workers will make within your community allowing others to keep their service, sales, and food jobs, earning their own wages and spending in your community..... ::)

Creating temporary jobs... and temporary spending from those jobs just reinforces how frivolous this spending is...

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day - train a man to fish and he eats for life.

These funds would better be spent getting long-term, permanent jobs, paying down the debt (as mentioned previously), being able to stimulate the economy because of the debt reduction, attracting permanent and expanding businesses, helping people to be able to establish their own businesses -- all by using a combination of means that were discussed in the other thread ("So, you are running for President)...

9 out of 10 times - the money that funds these busy work jobs - such as re-doing a park that doesn't need redone - pad the pockets of the cronies of local politicians - and many times (if not the majority) the actual expenses (such as the equipment, materials, supplies) are purchased from outside the local area (many times from factories in other countries) padding the pockets of those who don't even live in the community and probably not even in the country... So, the 1% retains its strangle hold on the wealth..... while temporarily lowering unemployment until the job is completed --- then the unemployment goes right back up again....

And now we have a non-taxed piece of property where tons of money have been spent frivolously and further expenses of paying unemployment benefits and other benefits to workers who are no longer working (because these are temporary jobs)..... and basically any money these workers did spend while employed was money that came from the coffers of city/state/federal funds - which were borrowed and/or came at the expense of further inflating the deficit and putting us more in debt to other countries (such as China)..... so, who is the real property owner and who is the real beneficiary here in the "land of the free?"

Wait.... we can prevent this.... just find another unneeded project and put people to work...... borrow the money (from who? oh, the Chinese - they have big pockets)..... and start the cycle over again....

One interesting thing that I hope people will take note of when they go to DC is..... go to the Capital building - go to any of the cafeterias in the building (they have excellent food)... look around and see how many Chinese business men you see.... the lobbyists from China... etc....  It will really open your eyes to just how much influence and control over the US has been given to another country by our lack of spending control and disparities in income that have severely impacted our ability to have revenues even closely come to keeping up with expenses.

The Chinese can't be blamed for this.... I don't blame them..... they are only doing what any smart and fiscally responsible business person would do....

I blame our government - and many times some of the citizens - who don't take the time to learn about how economics works and instead buy into the simple solution of spending government money for "flash and dash" job creation on frivolous projects that aren't even coming close to addressing the real issue.

Fixing a hole that doesn't exist makes absolutely no sense - especially when there is a much more massive problem going on ---- its comparable to a doctor operating on the good arm - but leaving the rotting one with gangrene alone because the good arm is easier "to fix."

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Post by: Hellraiser on July 24, 2012, 10:54:35 pm
Moderate Hellraiser is thy name

Barack Obama on Science, Social, and Environmental issues 72%
Jill Stein on Healthcare, Social, and Environmental issues 71%
Ron Paul on Foreign Policy, Immigration, Domestic Policy, and Environmental Issues 71%
Mitt Romney on Immigration and Environmental Issues 25%
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Post by: Assurbanipal on July 25, 2012, 02:00:55 am


9 out of 10 times - the money that funds these busy work jobs - such as re-doing a park that doesn't need redone - pad the pockets of the cronies of local politicians - and many times (if not the majority) the actual expenses (such as the equipment, materials, supplies) are purchased from outside the local area (many times from factories in other countries) padding the pockets of those who don't even live in the community and probably not even in the country... So, the 1% retains its strangle hold on the wealth..... while temporarily lowering unemployment until the job is completed --- then the unemployment goes right back up again....



Now that's an incredible statistic. In several senses.

How's about a citation?

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Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 25, 2012, 10:08:22 am
Now that's an incredible statistic. In several senses.

How's about a citation?

Thats called an opinion...
I can't help it if some people are unable to pick up on cynisism or sarcasm.....
Perhaps, I can find a definition for these type of people with an accompanying citation.
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Post by: bmancanfly on July 25, 2012, 01:46:35 pm
Somebody has been watching too much Fox News. 
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Post by: denb45 on July 25, 2012, 02:06:06 pm
Moderate Hellraiser is thy name


Trey, I think most of us here are very moderate, at least   ;)
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Post by: poz91 on July 25, 2012, 02:48:25 pm
oh course, it's "frivolous spending" ::) when you totally forget about all those companies doing the work that will get income, and all those workers who'll earn wages, and all the purchases those companies and workers will make within your community allowing others to keep their service, sales, and food jobs, earning their own wages and spending in your community..... ::)

Ah yes, I did totally forget how well them trickle down economics work... ;)

Seriously, though... I say "frivilous" because these parks projects are essentially bridge-to-nowhere type projects. Some residents will use these recreational services but most will not, and at the end of the day, the only long term job creation will be a handful of semi-permanent "seasonal" janitorial/maintenance/utility type positions that only pay around $20,000 a year. If even that... according to the NC Division of Parks and the Raleigh P&R Department, unpaid volunteers are used extensively to help run and maintain our state and city parks.

Now I'm not saying that providing parks and other recreational and leisure opportunities to residents isn't worthwhile, but when the state and the country are facing massive debt and unemployment, these types of services should be considered extremely low priority and put on the back burner.
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Post by: GSOgymrat on July 25, 2012, 03:21:09 pm
Trey, I think most of us here are very moderate, at least   ;)

LOL. Yes, we're fair and balanced.
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Post by: Miss Philicia on July 25, 2012, 03:46:04 pm
At least where I live, investment in public facilites (parks, transport, etc.) give a high return in attracting and maintaining businesses and residents. Our local economy has successfully transitioned from manufacturing to en emphasis on higher eduction, medical services and "creative class" high paying jobs, and people in those value a good living environment (parks, bike trails, waterfront and museums). And we've continued to do this, actually accelerated, during this long recession. Most of it is private/public partnerships.
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Post by: Hellraiser on July 29, 2012, 11:51:58 pm
LOL. Yes, we're fair and balanced.

I dunno about you but I'm fair.

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Post by: Dr.Strangelove on July 30, 2012, 12:03:31 am
This is interesting.

Jill Stein: 96%
Barack Obama: 93%
Steward Alexander: 84%
Ron Paul: 25%
Mitt Romney: 7%

Full disclosure: I am not a US citizen.