Breaking News - Clinton Wins Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island

[Iggy]

Though Texas is too close to call.

Why do I feel that the Democratic primaries are more interesting than the general election

Modified to add Rhode Island win for Clinton and Vermont win for Obama.

Added CNN projection of Clinton Win in Texas.

I guess we have ourselves a real race, folks

[minismom]

I just heard about it on the radio.  All I have to say is "well, crappy doody"

Mum

[Iggy]

I just heard about it on the radio.  All I have to say is "well, crappy doody"

Mum

What?  No doody crappy?

Frankly I'm happy with either but I do admit some enjoyment at the excitment!

[emeraldize]

I agree Iggy. This definitely beats and to some degree makes up for those times when you feel you're left to pick the lesser of two evils.

[Iggy]

A-fucking-men (and in honor of Hillary: A-Fucking-Women too)

[RapidRod]

She also took Texas.

[komnaes]

She also took Texas.

Now this is interesting. For those of us that are outside of the US, another Clinton is far more reassuring than Obama or McCain, but then who cares what we think..

If she ends up being the candidate, who would/could she pick as her VP?

[Cliff]

Well, she managed to break his momentum; which is what she needed to do.  The race is getting less and less exciting for me.  Now it's just becoming tedious and tiresome.  Get it over with for god sake. 

It's basically going to go all the way to the convention....probably with them being tied in delegate count (or Obama leading slightly) and relying on the super-delegates to decide the nominee.

Ultimately, I think Clinton will get the nomination but McCain will win the general election.

[RapidRod]

Well, she managed to break his momentum; which is what she needed to do.  The race is getting less and less exciting for me.  Now it's just becoming tedious and tiresome.  Get it over with for god sake. 

It's basically going to go all the way to the convention....probably with them being tied in delegate count (or Obama leading slightly) and relying on the super-delegates to decide the nominee.

Ultimately, I think Clinton will get the nomination but McCain will win the general election.

I was over it when it started Cliff. They run it into the ground.

[BT65]

I wouldn't be so fast to say that McCain would win.  Alot more people than what we think are tired of beating the dead horse (war in Iraq).  People are ready for that to be over.   

I personally hope Obama gets the nom, but I'll vote democrat either way.  I don't know who Hillary would pick for a vp, but John Edwards would certainly be a good idea.  My two cents.

[Funkengruven]

On CBS this morning, Clinton hinted at the "very real possibility" of a Clinton/Obama ticket in the general election.  Both candidates have danced around the issue, and this is the first time I've heard either one of them flat out mention the possibility.  I voted for Obama in my state's caucuses, but I would still be very pleased if Hillary was the democratic nominee and had Obama as her running mate.  If "experience" is the greatest criticism against him, what better place for him to gain the necessary experience to quiet those criticisms than the office of the Vice Presidency.  I just hope they figure out who gets top billing quickly.

[st67]

Added detail....Clinton wins Texas primary (barely) but Obama wins more Texas delegates overall.

Go Obama!

[RapidRod]

I don't believe we'll have to worry about either of the them come November.

[Queen Tokelove]

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!

[poz1970]

with some of the social issues in america, I just have to ask.. what % of america would be ready for a female or black president?!?!

J

[ademas]

with some of the social issues in america, I just have to ask.. what % of america would be ready for a female or black president?!?!

J

Hopefully more than the % of those who want to take on Iran and stay in Iraq for 100 more years.

[RapidRod]

with some of the social issues in america, I just have to ask.. what % of america would be ready for a female or black president?!?!

J

It's one way to vote in the primaries, but when the General Election comes in November, the question you asked will be answered. That's not to say Hillary or Obama couldn't do a good job. America just isn't ready. .

[Miss Philicia]

America just isn't ready. .

When you post such drivel I'm reminded of what a different backwater area of the US you live in, so perhaps you're not up on how much the rest of the country has come along.

[cmhjeff]

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!

Unlike the majority of our county we voted for Hillary. I was up past 1am watching the results come in. Thrilled to see Clinton win in  Ohio and Texas

[BreakerOneNine]

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!

[Queen Tokelove]

Not that I have anything against Obama. I just don't think America is ready yet, sorry Cliff and Philicia.

[Miss Philicia]

from new ABC/Washington Post poll:

Another obstacle for McCain might be his age. More than a quarter of those polled said they are less inclined to support McCain because, if elected, he would be the oldest person ever to become president. The percentage discouraged by McCain's age is more than double the numbers who would be less enthusiastic about supporting Obama due to his being an African American or Clinton because she is a woman.

Oh, and Obama leads McCain by 12 points, Hillary only leads McCain by 6

And before you start muttering the typical blather about polls meaning nothing this far out just stuff it.

[Queen Tokelove]

I know better than to duel you....You whip out polls and links like a 12 gage shotty....



---listening to Eminem "97 Bonnie and Clyde"----

[DCGUY2007]

Go Obama!!

It's sad that some people don't want a female or black president.

To think America would want Mccain after 8 years of Bush is amazing!

[mjmel]

Whichever democrat gains the nomination, we have a woman or a biracial man as major contenders. Is the country ready?  uhmm...isn't it obvious?
When I see McCain he often seems rather fragile. Physically. I am most interested as to who his running mate will be. You know, in case McCain breaks a hip or becomes incapacitated. Or croaks.

DCGUY: ya never know what going to happen for sure. I mean, it's all part of the excitement, isn't it.
Remember, the voters in this country elected George W Bush twice.

I just hope and pray the next 4 years will belong to the Democratic Party. We'll be pulling out of Iraq if democrats win the White House. We'll be seeing something done about healthcare--just what exactly, remains to be seen. A politicians promises are often quite diminished when they come out of the wash of Congressional processes.

[Customer]

http://fathersforlife.org/hist/feminism-is-communism1.htm

We must understand, that feminism, is socialism/communism.[1] Indeed, where Karl Marx and every communist on earth want to create a class struggle in order to control the means of production, feminists just replace class with gender.[2] Where communists attempted global conquest, now, the feminists create a silent "constant state of war" implemented silently against every home and family via feminism.[3] I find it very odd that other [of] their party intellectuals have also made this same connection:

Everything feminists advocate was advocated by the Communist Party of the United States in the 1940's and 1950's. Betty Friedan, author of The Feminine Mystique (1963) and founder of modern feminism, hid the fact that she had been a Communist activist for 20 years. (See feminist historian Kate Weigand's, Red Feminism: American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 2001). Feminism simply transfers Marxist class analysis to gender. The aim is the same: the "patriarchy" (white men, capitalism) is the source of all evil and must be destroyed ("transformed"). Women (the proletariat) and anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, people of color) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.[4]

"Feminism is the intellectual organization of gender hatred, just as Marxism was the intellectual organization of class hatred. Feminism's business is fashioning weapons to be used against men in society, education, politics, law and divorce court. The feminist aim is to overthrow "patriarchal tyranny." In this undertaking, the male's civil rights count for no more than those of the bourgeoisie in Soviet Russia or the Jews in National Socialist Germany."[5]

[1] American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, by Henry Makow, PhD., October 3, 2001
[2] Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism. Toward a Feminist Theory of the State, by Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press, p. 3.
[3] They will subvert all foreign nations using this same gender warfare as well. I believe this is what is presently occurring foundationally in the Middle East.
[4] http://www.savethemales.ca/uw/main.html
[5] What civil rights has wrought. Paul Craig Roberts, July 26, 2000. Townhall.com - Creators Syndicate.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Communism


While Communism calls for the absence of personal ownership and claims to support a communal society in the abstract, the practical reality of communism is strikingly different.

As a political movement, communism advocates the establishment of a classless society. In actuality it has middle and upper classes just as stratified as in the "Capitalist" societies it critiques or seeks to overthrow (see Nomenklatura). It officially prohibits personal economic growth, but allows the well-connected political elite to amass power and wealth, similar to the unfettered capitalism favored by conservatives. (see Ruling class).

It generally advocates a socialist economy in which the public, whether the state or other group, owns the means of production and in which the wealth of the nation is divided fairly among the citizens. Yet in communist countries party members (there is only one Party) have special stores in which ordinary people cannot shop, stores which are immune to the perennial shortages which the lower class must endure (see queuing).

Communists usually claim they are good, and that they want world peace, which is just lies to deceive people, because they do just the opposite. They usually create war, abolish personal freedoms, and try to clamp down on individualistic creativity. Under Communism, the people become slaves of the vast government machine, who controls every aspect, no matter how small, of each citizen. Economically, they are a failure, as you can see why the people, tired of economic ruin, themselves have overthrown Communist regimes in Central and Eastern Europe. They are hypocrites because they say one thing, and do another in order to deceive people and create chaos and anarchy from where they can take over.

Communists have only caused pain and suffering wherever they have taken over. They don't believe in the well being of people, just in the well being of "Party Members". Communist dictators and fellow Party Members are usually the only people well off,in most cases living like Czars or the worst "burgeouis" they criticize so much. In Eastern Europe and Russia millions were killed for having "petty Burgeuois" tendencies. The worst and most opressive dictators in history have been Communists; to name a few examples: J.Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gen. Jaruzelski and Ceausescu in Romania, just to name a few. Isn't it tiresome to hear these Communists label anything against their ideas as "fascists" and "racist" or "nazi"?

[Miss Philicia]

huh?

[komnaes]

DCGUY: ya never know what going to happen for sure. I mean, it's all part of the excitement, isn't it.
Remember, the voters in this country elected George W Bush twice.

I thought the court did... at least the second time..

[BT65]

http://fathersforlife.org/hist/feminism-is-communism1.htmWe must understand, that feminism, is socialism/communism.[1] Indeed, where Karl Marx and every communist on earth want to create a class struggle in order to control the means of production, feminists just replace class with gender.[2] Where communists attempted global conquest, now, the feminists create a silent "constant state of war" implemented silently against every home and family via feminism.[3] I find it very odd that other [of] their party intellectuals have also made this same connection: Everything feminists advocate was advocated by the Communist Party of the United States in the 1940's and 1950's. Betty Friedan, author of The Feminine Mystique (1963) and founder of modern feminism, hid the fact that she had been a Communist activist for 20 years. (See feminist historian Kate Weigand's, Red Feminism: American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 2001). Feminism simply transfers Marxist class analysis to gender. The aim is the same: the "patriarchy" (white men, capitalism) is the source of all evil and must be destroyed ("transformed"). Women (the proletariat) and anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, people of color) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.[4] "Feminism is the intellectual organization of gender hatred, just as Marxism was the intellectual organization of class hatred. Feminism's business is fashioning weapons to be used against men in society, education, politics, law and divorce court. The feminist aim is to overthrow "patriarchal tyranny." In this undertaking, the male's civil rights count for no more than those of the bourgeoisie in Soviet Russia or the Jews in National Socialist Germany."[5] [1] American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, by Henry Makow, PhD., October 3, 2001[2] Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism. Toward a Feminist Theory of the State, by Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press, p. 3. [3] They will subvert all foreign nations using this same gender warfare as well. I believe this is what is presently occurring foundationally in the Middle East. [4] http://www.savethemales.ca/uw/main.html[5] What civil rights has wrought. Paul Craig Roberts, July 26, 2000. Townhall.com - Creators Syndicate.http://www.conservapedia.com/Communism

What a strange thing to say.

[Dachshund]

Sourcing through conservapedia I see. I'm not quite sure how this relates to the discussion at hand, but maybe you can enlighten us. This is troubling:

Feminism simply transfers Marxist class analysis to gender. The aim is the same: the "patriarchy" (white men, capitalism) is the source of all evil and must be destroyed ("transformed"). Women (the proletariat) and anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, people of color) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.[4]
 
                ~Customer

[Customer]

"Sourcing through conservapedia I see. I'm not quite sure how this relates to the discussion at hand, but maybe you can enlighten us. This is troubling:"

Though a hetero myself, I'm not anti-gay person. I oppose all kinds of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
So Dauschhund, you cant't blame me for gay bashing, if that was what you ment.

"anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, people of color) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.[4] "

Personally, i would not have used the term "on a silver platter"... its more like "at gun point"... 

[Miss Philicia]

Nobody mentioned "gay bashing", Mr. Strawman.  We're wondering what your intention was in the first place of posting a piece about feminism being " the intellectual organization of gender hatred" etc. and some gibberish about communism, linked to from a web site with masthead that denigrates single child-rearing women.

BUT WHILE WE'RE AT IT now that you voluntarily mention gay bashing, that fathersforlife.org site of yours DOES IN FACT gay bash.

http://fathersforlife.org/Table_contents_gj.htm#Gay_Issues

Guess that slipped by you (or something).

[Customer]

"http://fathersforlife.org/Table_contents_gj.htm#Gay_Issues Guess that slipped by you (or something)."

Well yes, that slipped by me, and i haven't read that even now. 'Cause it does not concern me.
It's a big internet, and i am not reposible for everything that has been said in internet.

[Dachshund]

"Sourcing through conservapedia I see. I'm not quite sure how this relates to the discussion at hand, but maybe you can enlighten us. This is troubling:"

Though a hetero myself, I'm not anti-gay person. I oppose all kinds of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
So Dauschhund, you cant't blame me for gay bashing, if that was what you ment.

"anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, people of color) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.[4] "

Personally, i would not have used the term "on a silver platter"... its more like "at gun point"... 

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but the "at gun point" is another unfortunate choice of words.

If as you admit, you're not reading or responsible for what is on the internet then what is the point of providing the links? Before this thread goes up in "we know what", I'm going to report it to the mods and see if they can make sense out of it. For the record, I find the links inflammatory.

[J.R.E.]

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but the "at gun point" is another unfortunate choice of words.

If as you admit, you're not reading or responsible for what is on the internet then what is the point of providing the links? Before this thread goes up in "we know what", I'm going to report it to the mods and see if they can make sense out of it. For the record, I find the links inflammatory.

It's about time.  I was going to report it also.

Ray

[Customer]

The links were givena as a reference, not as a testimony that i agree with everything that is found by searching the sites. And searching you must have done, because this inflammatory link, what ever it contains, was not provided by me.
However, i can see that this gay-bashing issue is just an excuse to remove the core-issue, the political discussion, it handles the motivation of the american political left. Your aim was not to clean the forum, but to remove the post to begin with.

[Miss Philicia]

Well dear, you've never quite explained what the intention was of your first copy/paste and what the relevance is to this thread (though I already asked that you do so once, which you ignored).

[Customer]

There is relevance. and I am glad it is not you who decides whether there is relevance or not.

[Miss Philicia]

*sigh*...  so why are you dodging explaining it?  I plain just don't get what you were trying to say, but if you want to tap dance around the issue then I don't know what more to say here.

[Customer]

philly267, Who made you to run this forum? Isn't it relieving to hear there is a relevance?

[Dachshund]

I'm sorry but you have to take ownership when you provide this type of link.

http://www.savethemales.ca/000808.html

[Miss Philicia]

omg... anti-Semitism too?  How the hell did I miss THAT link?

Customer, I'd just bow out right now if I were you.  You're digging a deep hole really quickly.

[Customer]

I have not provided that link.  Dachshund provided that link in the hope of getting the political issue removed.

[thunter34]

The links were givena as a reference, not as a testimony that i agree with everything that is found by searching the sites. And searching you must have done, because this inflammatory link, what ever it contains, was not provided by me.
However, i can see that this gay-bashing issue is just an excuse to remove the core-issue, the political discussion, it handles the motivation of the american political left. Your aim was not to clean the forum, but to remove the post to begin with.

I submit that while you may not "be responsible for everything said on the internet", if you hawk these cut & paste comments & links within your posts, you ARE responsible for them there.  You bring it, you own it.

"Save the Males"...heh.  How limp dicked can you get.  

I see what the communication trouble is.  We need the Sacred Talking Stick & some bongos.

[emeraldize]

oh, but you DID provide that link...check your post

[thunter34]

http://fathersforlife.org/hist/feminism-is-communism1.htm

We must understand, that feminism, is socialism/communism.[1] Indeed, where Karl Marx and every communist on earth want to create a class struggle in order to control the means of production, feminists just replace class with gender.[2] Where communists attempted global conquest, now, the feminists create a silent "constant state of war" implemented silently against every home and family via feminism.[3] I find it very odd that other [of] their party intellectuals have also made this same connection:

Everything feminists advocate was advocated by the Communist Party of the United States in the 1940's and 1950's. Betty Friedan, author of The Feminine Mystique (1963) and founder of modern feminism, hid the fact that she had been a Communist activist for 20 years. (See feminist historian Kate Weigand's, Red Feminism: American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 2001). Feminism simply transfers Marxist class analysis to gender. The aim is the same: the "patriarchy" (white men, capitalism) is the source of all evil and must be destroyed ("transformed"). Women (the proletariat) and anyone else deemed "oppressed" (gays, people of color) must be handed position and power on a silver platter.[4]

"Feminism is the intellectual organization of gender hatred, just as Marxism was the intellectual organization of class hatred. Feminism's business is fashioning weapons to be used against men in society, education, politics, law and divorce court. The feminist aim is to overthrow "patriarchal tyranny." In this undertaking, the male's civil rights count for no more than those of the bourgeoisie in Soviet Russia or the Jews in National Socialist Germany."[5]

[1] American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, by Henry Makow, PhD., October 3, 2001
[2] Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism. Toward a Feminist Theory of the State, by Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press, p. 3.
[3] They will subvert all foreign nations using this same gender warfare as well. I believe this is what is presently occurring foundationally in the Middle East.
[4] http://www.savethemales.ca/uw/main.html[5] What civil rights has wrought. Paul Craig Roberts, July 26, 2000. Townhall.com - Creators Syndicate.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Communism


While Communism calls for the absence of personal ownership and claims to support a communal society in the abstract, the practical reality of communism is strikingly different.

As a political movement, communism advocates the establishment of a classless society. In actuality it has middle and upper classes just as stratified as in the "Capitalist" societies it critiques or seeks to overthrow (see Nomenklatura). It officially prohibits personal economic growth, but allows the well-connected political elite to amass power and wealth, similar to the unfettered capitalism favored by conservatives. (see Ruling class).

It generally advocates a socialist economy in which the public, whether the state or other group, owns the means of production and in which the wealth of the nation is divided fairly among the citizens. Yet in communist countries party members (there is only one Party) have special stores in which ordinary people cannot shop, stores which are immune to the perennial shortages which the lower class must endure (see queuing).

Communists usually claim they are good, and that they want world peace, which is just lies to deceive people, because they do just the opposite. They usually create war, abolish personal freedoms, and try to clamp down on individualistic creativity. Under Communism, the people become slaves of the vast government machine, who controls every aspect, no matter how small, of each citizen. Economically, they are a failure, as you can see why the people, tired of economic ruin, themselves have overthrown Communist regimes in Central and Eastern Europe. They are hypocrites because they say one thing, and do another in order to deceive people and create chaos and anarchy from where they can take over.

Communists have only caused pain and suffering wherever they have taken over. They don't believe in the well being of people, just in the well being of "Party Members". Communist dictators and fellow Party Members are usually the only people well off,in most cases living like Czars or the worst "burgeouis" they criticize so much. In Eastern Europe and Russia millions were killed for having "petty Burgeuois" tendencies. The worst and most opressive dictators in history have been Communists; to name a few examples: J.Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gen. Jaruzelski and Ceausescu in Romania, just to name a few. Isn't it tiresome to hear these Communists label anything against their ideas as "fascists" and "racist" or "nazi"?

Boom:  up there in BOLD.  Your link. 

[Customer]

Negative. 000808.html is not occuring in any of my texts

[Miss Philicia]

That's the problem with hate sites, Customer, and using links from them.  If you lie down with dogs you get fleas, or whatever that saying is.

[thunter34]

Negative. 000808.html is not occuring in any of my texts

I just quoted your original post, and BOTH links are contained within it.  Fathers for Life is the very first thing you see.

One smart customer, you aren't.

[thunter34]

Though a hetero myself, I'm not anti-gay person. I oppose all kinds of discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Why, you're just a social critic who promotes equality, you are!