Finger pric test nurse needle and dentist question

[Jojo50]

Hi there I am young man who needs a lot of guidance or maybe I'm just misinformed

I belong to underdeveloped country and want to know if I'm just a guy who had bad luck

I had braces on and was told that tooth tightening  from dentist was a hiv risk  from dentist instruments .


I made a bigger mess when I went for a test as I just wanted to keep my test private


I went for finger pric test combo test at suffercient time  I purchased a new butterfly needle for my finger pric test which was 100 percent new !


The clinic was global funded HIV clinic which is underdeveloped getting to the point


The nurse wore her gloves and washed her hands. I opened the packet myself and took the cover of the needle myself from nurse hands . Then all she did was pric my finger and squeezed blood out

My question is some fear I have which does not have realistic proof to it


I feared that she may have pricked her self from the needle and then proceeded to pric my finger with it for the test



My question is


1)if she did pric herself through the gloves would I have noticed ?


2) is a finger pric enough to causes HIV ?

3) would small amount of blood be enough to transmit HIV into my finger ?

4) if she poked herself would she need a lot of blood ? Or small blood would be enough

5 ) the needle was hollow it was new and just had a small tube attached to it was a butterfly needle which I bought so that was totally new

6) anyone infected through a finger pric ? Is a finger pric enough to transmit HIV ?


6) how bad is my case I see no reason for you to lie to me as you are professionals .i got nervous because I found out that some of the counselers are HIV positive so that's why I panicked a bit afterwords and was kicking myself that I should have to gone to proper lab .   But the needle I bought was mine I did not use their instrument

7)To be honest with you I checked her hands after the test and they were super clean

I could not see any wound or bleeding on her finger or hand is that proof enough or would she can small cut that I could miss and not visible to the naked eye

8)if and only if this was no risk situation the. Why was it a no risk situation ?




I will go to proper clinic next time but I know some of you are positive in this forum who help others and I am a bit ashamed to say that I got nervous around people who were HIV positive . It was my first time


Would you tell me to test again ? I think I may have some fuel left in me and we all have to do this alone sometimes .   


I do not have PayPal but have. Credit card so that I could have a detailed answer from you so I could not pay . 

So if you may assist me with a detailed answer on this one so that I can make it count that would be nice of you

[Ptrk3]

The answer(s) to your question is simple:  you did not have anything remotely approaching a risk for HIV from the incidents you described.  The HIV is fragile and does not survive exposure to oxygen, so would not survive existence on the outside of a needle.  For an infection to occur through a syringe (as in an IV-drug abuser or an occupational situation) injection of the contaminated blood (or a prick from the needle) would need to be significant enough to even pose a risk.

This was not the case, in your set of facts, and I'm not going to entertain with you unrealistic speculation.

Read through this link how HIV is transmitted then move on with your life:

https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/hiv-transmission-risks

[Jojo50]

Dear brother thank you for the reply

Basicallly what you meant to say was in unlikely even if nurse did pric her self

The blood would be very tiny in to infect?

Also oxygen will kill it Instantly?

When you said sufficient  amount is required that would be mean huge amounts of blood ? And then injected me with syringe ?  Then it would be a risk ?

I was just comparing this situation to a needle stick like you have in health care setting and how it is different to my sceneraio . So if you may clarify just a little more that would do a world of good


Also my dentist appointment was no risk ? HIV cannot survive on dental insururnents because oxygen will kill it instantly? No risk here ?

Thank you can further provide assistance on this thanks

[Jim Allen]

You had no risk as Patrick mentioned.

When you said sufficient  amount is required that would be mean huge amounts of blood ? And then injected me with syringe ?  Then it would be a risk ?

A needle injury such as a syringe or from a cannula is very different then the disposable lancets used in testing kits.

HIV is far to fragile to survive in the small blood sample on a lancet, blood on a lancet is exposed to air and once hiv finds itself exposed outside the body, small changes in temperature, pH / moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.

Sharing syringes is a blood risk is it's directly injecting a quantity of blood into the blood stream that has been short term stored in what is in essence a vacuum. A lancet on the other hand is nothing like a syringe, a lancet is no more than a drop of blood and it's exposed. 

What you posted is so far is not a risk and just "what if's" and nothing more than an irrational fears.

how bad is my case I see no reason for you to lie to me as you are professionals .i got nervous because I found out that some of the counselers are HIV positive so that's why I panicked a bit afterwords and was kicking myself that I should have to gone to proper lab .   But the needle I bought was mine I did not use their instrument

You brought you own needle, man stop you are asking to give yourself a bacterial infection.

Also why would it make you nervous that they are living with HIV as long as you are not having unprotected intercourse with them you had no risk.  HIV isn’t transmitted by hugging, shaking hands, sharing toilets, sharing dishes, kissing.

In all honesty you come into contact with HIV Positive people everyday, you just don't know about it and they are not a risk to you.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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[Jojo50]

Mr Jim thank you for the reply

My needle pric was a hollow one(butterfly needle with only tube atttached no syringe its was just a needle so air flow could totally go in)   not from lancet does this change anything ?  . But I guess you are are right a small drop would be exposed also to the air if she may have pricked her self

But I think I also would have noticed from her hands just incasse and if  she poked herself and proceeded with the finger pric test with needle on my finger .

my finger pric was done from butterfly needle so does this change anything ?


So my dentist visit for braces tightening is no risk also as blood cannot live on instruments ? Because of oxygen ?


This is my last post

Can you clarify I used a butterfly needle and not a lancet for my finger pric test . Would that make a difference ? . I'm assuming if she did pric herself before proceeding with the test blood would be outside on the needle and I'll be all good ?


And finger pric is not enough to transmit HIV ? Is there any science to that

This is my last post

I would like your final thoughts on what you think and what I should do


Many thanks

Also is there a way to become a memeber by using credit card and not PayPal ?


I would want you to give me your final thoughts thanks



Would you say test I should test ?


Last question was on massages also : if I am being massaged by HIV positive person and he has cuts and I have some cuts on my body can he transmit HIV ? . Should I avoid massages ? Am I playing with fire  or I can have massage form hiv positive person regardless of his hand condition and bruises on my body


Am I totally misinformed ? Or am I making some sense to you ?



Thank you mr Jim your final thoughts

[Wade]

Hi your question has been asked and answered by both Patrick and Jim, No risk.
Your fears are irrational and you need to get a grip, no one has ever been infected by a finger prick as you're describing.

For your last question ... HIV is not transmitted through casual contact, so being touched by a positive person even with small cuts is not a risk.

You said in your original post you were a misinformed young man living in an underdeveloped country and looking for guidance. So now take it and believe what we have told you, not one single thing you have mentioned so far was a risk, just irrational fears. Also take some time and read the link Patrick provided for you and educate yourself.
It is safe to move on with your life.

Best, Wade