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 I left my home to meet a friend 10 minutes away on my bike. When I reached I noticed dried blood on my hand. I had no wounds on my hand, basically intact skin. I thought it was my blood and applied my saliva to the dried blood to take it off, I did this 3-4 times. I realised later I was not bleeding and that could be someone else's blood on my hand. I tried to remember if I was in contact with any blood but I cannot figure out from where did the blood come on my hand ( bikes handle, my apartment elevator etc. )

Please can you help me with my risk assessment. Dried blood on my hand with intact skin, tried to take it off by applying saliva so can the dried blood go in my mouth as I was applying saliva to it and then touching the same hand to my tongue while applying saliva. Also what's the risk of blood on my hand? Can it pass through skin? Does HIV die when immediately exposed to air?

Please note I washed the blood after 2 hours when I went home as there was no water available to me on that place. Can it still permeate through my skin as the dried blood was there on my hand for like 3 hours. Really worried please help.

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Hiya,

Look sorry to hear that you are stressing, however, it's not an HIV risk.
Firstly HIV is not infectious once exposed outside the human body and in addition, the skin does not provide a route.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP going forward as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other easier to transmit STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for the extremely quick revert

So, no testing required? I'm just worried as I have no clue from where did that blood land on my hand and moreover I applied saliva and touched the same hand to my tongue and also kept the dried blood on my hand for 2 hours.

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No testing required. To be blunt if HIV was transmitted the way you fear we would all be locked up in quarantine, no joke!
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Thanks Jim, you guys are doing a great job of spreading the awareness and educating people.

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Hey Jim,

It'll be really helpful if you can answer my query.

I'm from India and after a condom slippage incident and had uprotected blowjob 4 months ago, I have taken four duo tests by ( ELFA method) antigen plus antibody tests at 4,8,12 and 15 weeks all at the same lab and all negative. The lab is one of the most reputed labs here and they are professional.

1. Please tell me if I can consider the tests conclusive or should I change my test to a 3rd generation test or a 4th generation test by (CMIA method ) at a different lab?

2. Is the 4th generartion test by CMIA and ELFA method one and the same?

3. Is ELISA (3rd gen) more accurate or the 4th gen test by ELFA or CMIA method?

4. Post 3 months is any test of any generation be it 1/2/3/4 generation test conclusive?

 Am  I HIV negative conclusively?

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a condom slippage incident and had uprotected blowjob 4 months ago

Too vague, my guess is the condom was riding up somewhat during sex and you got a BJ? In that case, you had no HIV exposure, no reason to test.

1,2,3,4)

I doubt you had a risk but if I pretend you did for a moment you have conclusively tested negative regardless of the generation of test used.

Relax and move on with your life.

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Hi Jim,

I wasn't fully erect, and when I realised that I pulled out. After doing that I realised the condom had slipped from my shaft but as far as I remember the head of the penis was covered. But let's say, it wasn't and I was exposed are my tests conclusive enough?

What about the  unprotected BJ?

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Asked and answered. 

You had no HIV exposure to run out and test for, you did anyway, unneeded and no surprise the result was conclusively negative. 

You need to get a grip of your fears and thoughts, so if you can speak to a therapist about learning to cope with your fears.

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Thanks Jim.

I was a bit worried because I had folliculitis and chest congestion for like 3 days hence was a bit scared even though the test results showed negative. I know symptoms are not the right predictor hence couldn't help but ask you as you have more knowledge about HIV than most of us here.

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Look I bump my toe from time to time but I don't panic and start asking for tests to check for an inoperable brain tumour or CreutzfeldtĖJakob disease, etc.

This is all you need to know, use condoms for any intercourse, test yearly out of routine, stop stressing!
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Thanks Jim.

So to just put it into perspective,

1. Any generation test post 3 months is conclusive.

2. No risk from Deep kissing or receiving a BJ

3. I need to move on.

Right?

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Thanks Jim.

Just one more thing, ELFA, CMIA, ELISA are just different testing
methods right? Post 3 months their end result which is detection of antibodies would be the same, correct?

Sorry to be bothering you but just needed some assurance here.

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You already asked and my answer was it is conclusive.

But sure, "Yes" & "Yes" is the answer, not that you had an exposure to test for.
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Thanks Jim. You guys are doing a great job :)

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Hi Jim,

With reference to the above thread.

Sorry to be pestering you, but can you tell me in my situation where you said the tests are conclusive, can a change in my lab affect my results?

I know sounds absurd but if I change my lab will the results change? The current lab is professional but I've been doing tests only in this lab since the start, is that a concern?

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You had no HIV exposure from what you posted here so retesting or changing labs will change nothing.

I am sorry to hear that you have been struggling with irrational fears but the merry-go-round of pointless testing is not a solution or coping strategy. Instead, I would suggest you consider talking to a therapist regarding your irrational fears and getting support in coping with them.

I wish you well, but, please don't post about this or testing over it again 

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Asked and answered. 

You had no HIV exposure to run out and test for, you did anyway, unneeded and no surprise the result was conclusively negative. 

You need to get a grip of your fears and thoughts, so if you can speak to a therapist about learning to cope with your fears.


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Hi Jim,

With reference to my thread where I mentioned I received an unprotected BJ and my condom slipped, I went for a HIV, Hep C, Hep B test plus got my checked for other STDís too at 28 weeks post exposure.

HIV 4th Gen CMIA, Hep B and C - negative
But, Herpes positive

Iím Herpes positive and canít help to think that I also might have HPV but havenít yet tested because no approved tests are available for men.

So my question to you is, considering I have both Herpes, HPV could this affect my 28 weeks HIV test? Is the test conclusive?

Not just that having any pre-existing STD, will that affect my test result?

Iím really scared because when I asked this to my infectious disease specialist he said he Ďreally isnít sureí and told me to test out till 12 months. Hence Iím coming to you knowing your vast knowledge in this subject.

Also, now that Iím positive for Herpes or maybe HPV too which are incurable, are these STDís fatal for life? Do I need to worry? I really donít know if Iím gonna have a healthy life.

Please help me in this situation.
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Hiya

I am sorry to see that you are back, its also not a new question. I've answered this before.

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I already said asking again would lead to a ban so I am giving you one to encourage you to speak to a therapist. *

You had no exposure and no test was warranted, testing at any time or not at all would have been considered conclusive over the concern posted.

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Not just that having any pre-existing STD, will that affect my test result?

No, even if I pretend for a moment you had a real risk like unprotected intercourse and you did not, then Herpes or HPV would not affect the outcome of HIV antibodies testing.

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Also, now that Iím positive for Herpes or maybe HPV too which are incurable, are these STDís fatal for life? Do I need to worry? I really donít know if Iím gonna have a healthy life.

Herpes is for life, it's not the end of the world and I've included a link for you with some basic information. There are meds you can take to reduce the likelihood or duration of outbreaks.

As for HPV although some HPV strains can lead to cancer most of the population has been exposed at some point during their lives. You could talk to your doctor about getting vaccinated. 

https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/herpes-simplex-virus
https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/human-papilloma-virus-hpv

Finally.

Regarding the story you posted, I removed it.

The person is not here to defend themselves, so it's unfair to leave it here. In short, their exposure was ongoing unprotected intercourse something they very much struggled to come to terms with. I don't see how this story relates to you whatsoever.

I do recommend you stop reading stories and mistaking them for facts or thinking it applies to you. I've seen claims from people or doctors at times about toilet seats, aliens and handshakes but it does not make them true or applicable to every bright light you see at night.

Thankfully stories are just stories, not facts and, there are many reasons why someone would rather not admit to exposure, face facts or simply incorrectly dismiss a real risk without realizing it. Factoring into stories is that being newly diagnosed is difficult enough time on its own, for some its a time of struggling with a deep fear of HIV stigma, social judgment, Isolation & self-stigma and things like sexuality, religion, family, sexual relationships etc might play a role asides from legal fears for some.   

Jim

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Hi Jim,

My incident below.

A girl I met through a dating app was performing a handjob on me, I donít know her HIV status. When I was about to ejaculate she leaned ahead to take my cum but I was careful enough to not insert my penis head into her mouth, it wasnít a proper blowjob no complete insertion into her mouth. But her lips ( inner side ) still touched the opening of my urethra for a good 4-5 seconds. I donít know if she had any cuts inside of her lips causing some amount of blood to be mixed with her saliva.

I know this doesnít sound as a risk as it lacks the conditions need to be met for the transfer to happen, but, below are my questions, please bear with me!

- what if she has an extremely high viral load causing the saliva and blood to infect me?
- Are her lips on the opening of my urethra for 4-5 seconds a concern?
- Do you warrant a test for this incident?
- Should I consult a doctor?
- Am I irrationally fearing about an incident that isnít a risk?

Reading articles on the insertive partner for oral sex where some say it isnít a risk while some say there might a theoretical risk is driving me crazy.

Please help!

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Was blood pissing out of her face requiring urgent medical care? e.g did you beat her to a bloody pulp or stab her in the face?

No, well then you had no HIV risk and, if you did do this HIV would be the least of your concerns.

as it lacks the conditions need to be met for the transfer to happen, but

No "but" about it. Your "what ifs" change nothing, getting a blowjob sucked lacks all the conditions needed to acquire HIV and hence it makes perfect sense there has never been a documented case of the person being sucked acquiring HIV.



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Thanks Jim!

Should I take a test for this incident or consult a doctor?

Thanks.

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Why would you test or consult for HIV over an incent that had no HIV exposure??

You asked about getting a blowjob in 2020 and you ended up with a time-out (ban) from the forum.

So I'll cover this once with you but consider the topic of getting a blowjob closed! If you come back with more questions or fears about getting a blowjob it will lead to your 2nd time-out (ban) and after that, if you continue it would result in a final & permanent ban.

Receiving a blowjob lacks the conditions required for acquiring HIV, and saliva is also hostile towards HIV as it breaks down the receptors needed to infect.

Thus it makes sense that after nearly 40 years of this pandemic in terms of BJ's, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked"), and you will not be the worlds first.

Move on with your life, use condoms for any intercourse, consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of prevention and test yearly out of routine. Keep in mind that activities that are safe in terms of HIV may still pose a risk for other STI's,

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