Oral question

[rockyb]

Hi,

I recently performed oral with a lady I have read the archives and realise that there isn't really a risk, would this still be the case as I had some bleeding from a the gum due to a inflamed tooth the day before ?

Many thanks

[rockyb]

Hi,

Forgot to add, woul i require a test ?

Thanks

[Ann]

Rocky,

No, still not a risk.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

Ann

[rockyb]

Ann,

Many thanks for the reply, Its what I expected.
As the oral was around the clitoris area , I would have thought that being outside the body would have made a difference anyway.

Thanks again

Rocky

[rockyb]

Hi,

Sorry to post on this again I had stopped worrying about it but on Sunday I developeda bad case of diarrhea and feel really weak.
This is 5 weeks after the event do you still think a test issn't needed.

The diarrhea has stopped today but still feel weak

Many thinks

Rocky

[Matty the Damned]

Rocky,

As Ann notes, you were not at risk of HIV infection.

If you've been feeling ill you should see your doctor. We cannot diagnose the cause of your symptoms over the internet. Nobody can.

MtD

[rockyb]

Hi MtD,

Thanks for the advice I guess its just a coincidence and probably something dodgy that I ate, I'll wait a couple of days to see if it passes before going to the docs.

cheers

Rocky

[rockyb]

Folks,

A recap I am worried about unprotected oral I gave to a female csw 6 weeks ago. I was worried that I had bleeding gum from a inflamed infected tooth the day before.
5 weeks later I had explosive watery diareah and had to stay in bed for the day felt weak the day after. Tought this was food poisioning. Since then I have had dull aches iin my groin and armpits seem to alternate sides ie one day right armpit right groin ache next day left.
Also had muscle aches in my legs and a blotchy rash on lower neck and shoulders.

Last night mrs Rocky came home with her throat glands visibly up and sore throat went to bed.

I realise that anxiety can cause these things but im really worried now in case I have infected someone else

[Ann]

Rocky,

You and your wife should visit your doctor to find out what is ailing you because whatever it is, it isn't hiv. You didn't have a risk when you went down on that woman.

Hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.

Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect. 

Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

Going down on a woman is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

Ann

[rockyb]

Thanks again Anne,

Im sure you are right and I got food poisioning and my anxiety spiralled from there. My wife going down with a really bad throat and enlarged glands has really thrown me though.
As that has put the guilt thing on me as well in case I have infected someone.
I do keep telling myself that i cant be a excpetion to the stats but the coincidences keep comming.

Thanks

Rocky

[Ann]

Rocky,

The seasons are changing and the changing weather often brings out various bugs. I personally know of three people at the moment who have sore throats etc. A friend of mine had to cancel our date for a cuppa yesterday for this very reason.

Don't let your feelings of guilt translate into thinking everything is hiv related. It isn't. Sometimes a cold is just a cold.

You didn't have a risk for hiv infection.

Ann

PS - we live in the same part of the world.

[rockyb]

Thanks again Anne,

Sorry to be banging on a bit.

Thought we may live in the same part of the world as you use the term cuppa

cheers

Rocky

[rockyb]

Folks,

I still have some worries about this would there be a risk the women was on her period.

Thanks

Rocky

[rockyb]

The reason I ask is that after the event I spat on the floor and noticed a little bit of blood I assumed it was from my gum but know im not so sure

Thanks

[Ann]

Rocky,

If this woman was menstruating to the extent that it would be a concern for you, you would have tasted it. Really, you would have. The lower portion of your face would also have been red, and no, I'm not talking about blushing.

If you're read the Welcome Thread like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned.

Ann

[rockyb]

Hi its been a month or so, but im still very worried, im sure that the blood in my mouth wasn't mine and with my bleeding tooth a couple of days before isn't this a risk ?

I had a lot of symptoms 5 weeks later diarreah, rash, muscle ache.
Im terrified I have infected my partner in those 5 weeks, she had some symptoms, Could this also cause her to have a period after 10 months of not having any, she had muscle aches too had to take time off work very unusual for her.

Now I still have parts of the rash and a constant ache,burning feeling in my armpits is that what swollen nodes feel like because I wouldn't know ?

Its the blood angle thats freaking me out sorry for the post I have tried not too.
I am petrified of testing as im convinced I would be + and probably my partner.

Thanks
 I wont be posting again unless its in the other forum

[Ann]

Rocky,

We've told you several times now that you did not have a risk. If you cannot bring yourself to believe us, then go test, collect your negative result and move on.

Ann

[rockyb]

Thanks again Anne,

I will try and arrange a test its the only way im going to settle this, its the blood aspect im freaking about as it wasn't mine and was in my mouth, and some symptoms although i realise this could well be anxiety,

Sorry about the posts just can't believe someones blood in mouth mouth is no risk

I wouldn't be posting here about touching somebodys breast, a lap dance, kissing, using the same loo or any situation like that

cheers

[Andy Velez]

Even if you had someone else's blood in your mouth and IF that person was HIV+, your saliva contains over a dozen potently inhibitory elements which prevent HIV from being transmitted in a viable form.

As far as I am concerned this is all about post-straying guilt. You're a dog like a lot of us and you did some straying. You can't undo that. Go ahead and get tested if you must for peace of mind and collect the inevitiable negative result. This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.

[rockyb]

Thanks again for telling me this was no risk, im going to have to test just finding it hard to do it.
My armpits feel swollen and aching all day, I have a rash that covers most of my back, shoulders and inside my armpits looks like a form of psoriasis. Then i read that HIV is one of the triggers for this and can be a early sign of infection, this cranks the anxiety up even more.

Andy there is a lot of guilt here but its not the guilt of a stray dog its because during the 5 weeks betweehn my encounter and symptoms I have sex with my partner multiple times and now i am very worried I have infected her.

Thanks and bye

[rockyb]

Dear forum,

As your all very educated on this can you tell me if anyone has ever been infected this way ? or is it just a handfull of people ?
I keep telling myself that it was no risk as I have been told here. But then I look at my rash and my armpits are sore and uncomfortable all the time even when im sleeping. Is this likely to be anxiety ?

I have convinced myself that i have been infected, but then I see the advice here that it wasn't a risk and do not need testing.
Has there really not been any infections from this route ?

[RapidRod]

My suggestion to you is to seek professional help to deal with why you can't accept that you didn't have a risk.

[rockyb]

but has anybody ever been infected this way or just a handull of cases ?

Was it a low risk or no risk ? if its no risk then my rash and sore armpits are anxiety.

My mind cannot comprehend how someones blood in my mouth and a wound in my gum isn't a risk sorry

But then I think listen to these guys they know what they are talking about if it was low risk they would tell me to test

[rockyb]

I have been to the doc for the rash, its a yeast infection.
Then I tried to find out a bit about it and everywhere I look mentions this is a common sign for HIV infection.

So the anxiety is up again, I should have tested at 6 weeks, even though all here say a test is not warrented

I cant test at the moment as I keep thinking I have infected my partner and I don't think I could handle the guilt of that.

She's was ill for a week and has had a  constant cough now for 2 months. and a very small rash on her arm and  back.

are you sure theres not even a very very low risk here.

[Matty the Damned]

Yes Rocky, we're sure. You were not at risk and you don't need to test.

Remember the Welcome Thread? If you don't maybe you need to re-read it and pay attention to this section:

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

MtD

[rockyb]

Thanks Matt,

I know I have a time out coming, Do you base this on the spanish study I have read this and although there were a lot of oral acts its still only 135 mouths, my dental health isn't that good, im from the UK after all.

Im convinced that I have been very unlucky, sorry to keep bringing it up now and again, I have booked a session with a counselor.

totally off topic but I work with computers for a big UK research uni we are using computer modeling to test resistance of the virus against HAART

Bye

[Ann]

Rocky,

If you're so worried, why don't you go to your local GUM clinic, test, and collect your negative result?

Because you won't be allowed to use this forum as your confessor. You didn't have a risk and we've told you that repeatedly.

Post again over this same situation and you'll be timed out.

Ann