worried about possible exposure

[winger856]

i would really appreciate your advice. 7 days ago i received protected oral from a transsexual sex worker. there was no penetrative anal sex at all, only blowjob with condom (to completion). there was however, prior, some brief unprotected mutual masturbation (her touching me, me touching her) and then penis-to-penis frottage. i live with an anal fistula, which was not actively bleeding or irritated at the time, as far as i can tell. but she touched my butt cheek and balls during the blowjob. is there anyway i could possibly be infected via my fistula from a hand or something near the area? there was no assplay on either end nor penis-to-ass frottage but it still has me worried. i have basically been having bouts of diarrhea since the event along with general feelings of being tired/unwell. i initially thought this encounter was not risky at all but, due to my situation, i keep worrying about it. what do you think?

[Jim Allen]

I read your post very carefully and nothing you posted was a HIV transmission risk.

Getting your penis sucked is not a risk and nobody have ever been infected from getting a BJ, never. You will not be making world history today.

Masturbation, touching and frottage are not risks either, HIV is simply not transmitted this way. Its lacks all 4 requirements for transmission of HIV and all must be met for even a theoretical risk, you met none of them.

Move on with your life and see a doctor and treat whatever is making you sick it is not HIV from this incident.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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[winger856]

thank you for your reply jim, i appreciate it. i understand the risk in protected oral is essentially nonexistent. but i guess i wouldn’t be so worried if my stomach hasn’t been seeming to go absolutely haywire this whole week. i know the virus isn’t airborne or technically viable outside the human body, but you don’t think it could have somehow infected my fistula? there was no direct contact with it but i’m just still so worried because of my stomach symptoms. diarrhea, weird nausea i haven’t felt before, and now even passing gas smells different. should i be tested at 4-6 weeks?

[Jim Allen]

Hi

No its not "essentially nonexistent", its simple none and paranoid. It has never happen in the history of mankind you are not going to be the first as HIV simply is not transmitted this way. You might as well be asking what if elephants could fly, if their ears grew big enough (they don't) 

Your symptoms are simply not caused by HIV from this incident.

Move on with your life and see a doctor and treat whatever is making you sick it is not HIV from this incident.

Jim

[winger856]

Thank you so much for your reply, Jim. But I am just still so worried. The stomach symptoms (that basically started immediately, so could be stress/worry?) continued up until now, about four weeks post.

But now, pretty much exactly 4 weeks later to the day, I am starting to feel an oncoming sore throat and/with lymph nodes sensations in my neck.

How possible is it for ARS symptoms to starting to occur at exactly the 4 week mark? I had chocked all the stomach stuff down to worry, and now at exactly 4 weeks, I am starting to feel these strange sensations in my throat and neck. I am just so worried. As far as I know, I haven't had any abnormal fever or anything in this whole time.

[Wade]

 It seems nothing else but testing will make you happy,   Test for peace of mind only. Guidelines are  to test at six weeks  past exposure and again at 13 for confirmation.  You can expect a negative result because from what you posted you have had no risk.

Wade

[winger856]

do i need to be worried about protected anal with a condom? (this was a separate incident, but from what i can gather, i should stay in my original thread.) i was insertive with condom with ts sex worker. she put the condom on me first for brief blowjob and then we had maybe a minute or two of protected sex, not to completion. as far as i can tell, it didn't break and was put on "correctly." the only thing is i don't remember how "carefully" i took it off of myself, i think i just took it off quickly, without thinking, when we were done. is this a risk? (From what i've seen in the available information, protected anal with condom on correctly should be virtually no risk? but i'm still worried.) thank you for your time.

[Ptrk3]

No, you do not need to be concerned about engaging in protected sex because it was protected:  that is the purpose of protected sex.

If you are worried about engaging in protected sex, perhaps you should evaluate whether you should engage with sex with others at all.

[winger856]

you're absolutely right, Ptrk3. but i'm just so so worried. again, i honestly don't think the condom broke at all -- not that i could tell. all penetrative (and oral) sex was protected, to my knowledge. but now two weeks later i have some red (rashy?) spots around my groin area (on upper legs by groin) and another very small reddish patch right above my navel. no high fever that i've seen yet. could ars rash appear this way? i am just freaking out because the red spots thing doesn't seem to match up with the symptoms of a new herpes outbreak (they're not itchy/painful) so I am just losing my mind.

[Jim Allen]

HIV simply does not give you spots on your groin. See a doctor to diagnose whatever is making you sick and to treat it, we cannot help you with symptoms.

The protected intercourse was not a concern, HIV does not transmit through an intact latex or polyurethane condom and if they break they shred leaving no doubt.

I wish you well but to be frank if you keep posting about irrational HIV fears regarding no-risk scenarios, it's going to lead to a ban. This is to encourage you to seek face to face support like a therapist to help you learn to cope with your thoughts.

Jim

[winger856]

thank you jim, and thank you ptrk3. i appreciate both of yours sage advice on this, and i truly do not wish to be banned, but i am experiencing something now that just simply has me worried to the absolute core. please here me out and have mercy on my questions -- i do not want to bother you or get banned.

this incident was almost 4 weeks ago (as of late tomorrow), and i wouldn't be so worried except for that: at exactly 3 weeks, last friday night/saturday morning, i came down with a weird sore throat feeling -- not like way raw and super sore, but definitely noticeable, strange, and uncomfortable. it kinda went away on monday,  came back tuesday, and i feel like it's all but gone now.

once that came, that had me worried -- then, yesterday while bathing, i noticed a weird bump/lump thing in my right armpit. now, i'm not a doctor, so i don't know if it's an actual lymph node enlargement or not. of course, once i noticed it, i couldn't keep myself from checking it. i feel like it's abnormal cuz why have i never noticed it before? it feels "bigger" than the same spot on the other armpit and i don't remember ever noticing this. with that added, as well, the worry definitely amped up. it feels tender and weird now but probably cuz i was touching it.

now, i've read everywhere that ars is a syndrome and doesn't just hop from one symptom to the other -- but maybe i just didn't notice the armpit thing before while during the sore throat? literally the day my throat finally let up (after about 4 days of weird throat discomfort), i noticed the armpit "node" thing that i'm questioning if is a swollen lymph node. again, i don't know or can't tell if i have any swollen nodes anywhere else yet, but i think i MAY be feeling one under my right groin area that i can't find on manual inspection. something feels strange down there, right sided, too.

seriously, i thank you so much for even reading this far... thank you. i know you say that since my insertive and brief anal penetration was protected, that i do not have a worry. but, with these symptoms, the sore throat starting at pretty much exactly 3 weeks, then notice whatever the armpit thing is 4-5 days later, i am just mad worried out of my brain. can that seriously be coincidental? i like never have sore throat, almost ever -- not in that way -- and i've never experienced whatever this underarm thing is, i don't think.

i know you think i'm crazy. i'm sorry. i really don't want to get banned. just want your expert advice. to reiterate, the incident was protected ts anal, me insertive, for barely a couple minutes and no completion. she took the condom out of the wrapper and put it on me, which led to her giving me protected blowjob before the brief penetration. like i said before, i took the condom off myself afterward, and simply remember doing it kinda haphazardly, once i was no long penetrating, i just kinda took it off without thinking. maybe she used some sorta lube that compromised the condom integrity right off the bat? i truly don't know, but i don't remember seeing the condom broken or burst at all -- as far as i'm aware. there was brief unprotected penis-to-penis frottage before all this.

i was worried before, but these symptoms starting at exactly 3 weeks just make no sense. i'm totally scared. i am going to get tested next week at or after the 4 week mark i guess. but i don't know.

the only thing i keep thinking right now is that i haven't had any high fever. i have been checking temperature orally, morning and night, ever since. as far as i can still tell, it's been staying in (i guess what is) my personal normal range of 98.1 degrees F to 99.1 degrees F through the day (low in morning, higher at night). I think that's normal, and haven't experienced any high fever. does ars always have a fever? i also haven't noticed any crazy rash or diaharrea.

[Jim Allen]

You had no HIV risk from this incident, hence you do not have HIV symptoms from this incident. On top of that regardless of your HIV status, HIV simply does not give you spots on your groin, it does not give you a sore throat.

If you ever do become infected with HIV it was from nothing posted here.

See a doctor to diagnose whatever is making you sick and to treat it, we cannot help you with symptoms.

BTW - Yes, 30 day ban.

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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[winger856]

I tested non-reactive following the above most recent event (condom protected anal sex with TS sex worker) with HIV Screen 4th Generation WRFX. The test was done 32 days (or 4 weeks) after the event. Can I take that to mean conclusively negative, or do I need to test again now?

[Jim Allen]

Really. 
Read back the thread, now what answer do you expect?

So If you post about this again it will lead to a ban paid subscription or not. You need to understand were not going to entertain your irrational fears each time you get laid.

Jim 

[winger856]

is it certain that penis-to-penis frottage (condom-less) poses no hiv risk? i’ve read numerous past threads on here that say it’s no risk whatsoever — even when the poster describes an instance of another penis ejaculating directly on the tip (urethra opening) of theirs, or they talk about an incident of direct glans-to-glans (penis heads) rubbing with much pre-cum involved

i recently had an encounter with a ts sw that was protected (with condom) reciprocal oral, with one brief instance (less than a min.) of protected anal sex (me insertive). never saw a condom shred, and new condoms were used for both of those acts. the only time a condom wasn’t used was for many minutes of penis-to-penis frottage, mostly side by side. may have possibly been brief moments of our glans (heads) glancing or touching against each other. (but essentially we practiced all safer sex protections as the experts would advise on this forum.)

now though i’m having worrisome symptoms about 3-4 weeks after the act, so i’ve gotten extremely anxious. everything i read here says that a frottage act like this (or any, really) is absolutely no risk for hiv. but what if my urethral opening is somehow bigger than most, and some of their pre-cum got in mine? would you test over an incident like this? would  you call what I described an exposure? i wouldn’t be worried except for having some flu-like symptoms, and the timing being very concerning. Thanks.

[Jim Allen]

Hiya,

I am sorry to hear that you continue to have irrational thoughts regarding HIV transmission. You factually had no HIV exposure from frottage, we have answered this before.

I'm giving you an 8-week ban out of kindness to help you move on and, to encourage you to seek face to face support like a therapist to help you cope with your thoughts.

Remember to continue to use condoms for any intercourse, no exceptions, consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection and test like everyone should at least early for STI's & HIV.

Jim