There's a TIDAL WAVE BREWING........

[veritas]

Just wanted to share with all of you something I found..." Keep Hope Alive".
A tidal wave starts with a ripple...I for one think this ripple is going to grow!

http://www.keephopealive.org/dnews011514.html

Be sure to read this well documented case of a cure (full study). By the way, Dr. Onifde et al. have cured three more patients since this one, for which I do not have a link.
Please don't try this yet! Perhaps a clinical trial is warranted?


v

[Jeff G]

Hi V ... don't you think this news of a cure is surely without merit ? We would hate to give people the wrong impression that there is anything to this . Hope is good but false hope is cruel .

[veritas]

Jeff ,

That was my first impression until I read the complete study that was well documented and accepted by African Journal of medicine. The abstract was also published in PUBMED. I'm certainly not telling anyone to go out and try this yet, however, this should be studied.

v

[Ptrk3]

Here's a link from circa 2000 from the Body on this topic.  One would think that if there were much to this herb (as a cure), more would be known by now:

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q9776.html?ic=2003

As always with alternative medicines, folks should check with doctors if on cART to make sure there's not a negative interaction.

[Jeff G]

They are claiming a cure ... and its simply not so . I urge any one reading this study to take it with a grain of salt . I know you mean well but there are many who come here that will take this seriously when in fact ... this is nothing more than another Aids Cure Hoax .

[Ptrk3]

I agree with you, Jeff.  If there were anything to this herb, it would be well known by now.  Though I am not one of those who put much stock in "alternative" medicine, some people do.  I trust my Atripla.  However, as long as this herb does not "hurt" anyone--and they continue to follow traditional medical protocol and his or her doctor's instruction (including taking proper medication, as prescribed)--that's fine.  You are correct, though, that any claim of this substance as a cure is false and dangerous, if people rely on it at face value.  As a "cure," this substance is useless and people must understand that.  As far as medical science is concerned, this herb has no value in treating or curing HIV and has not withstood any (legitimate) scientifically demonstrated documentation, study replication, peer review to support any such claim.

[georgep77]

This is the link for the abstract information in PUBMED:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Abdulfatah+Adekunle+Onifade

Like Jeff said, take it with a grain of salt.

[Jeff G]

For the record ... I love cumin .

[Jmarksto]

This is the link for the abstract information in PUBMED:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Abdulfatah+Adekunle+Onifade

Like Jeff said, take it with a grain of salt.

hmmm....this abstract references one patient that experiences an apparent sero-reversion.  The fact that it is one patient in a non-research quasi-clinical (herbalist) setting leads me to think there is something wrong with the data (ie. false positive, confused test results, etc.) rather than there is a conclusion with the treatment. 


Remember, one data point allows you to draw a line in any direction you want.


P.S. let the record show that I look forward to tasting black cumin - but don't expect it to replace my ARVs.

[Almost2late]

Ah hell, It wouldn't hurt to grow some anyways... and the flowers are so perty 


http://www.gardenershq.com/Nigella-Black-Cumin.php

[Matts]

I remember that i read about it one year ago in another forum.

Abdulfatah Adekunle Onifade has published 8 studies about Nigella sativa in Africa and India. Nobody else has researched on it so far. So no one can evaluate it.

If You are interested in it, u find all his studies here:

http://forumhiv.de/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5232 (german, but the study links are in english)

At least he is a  modest man and and doesnt talk about a cure, only that more research is needed.


 

[mecch]

Both a yerbero and a curandero I visited in Matanzas Cuba prescribed turmeric, cumin and Saoco liquor....  Sadly I'm still positive.

I'm looking forward to my cure in Nigeria, after the Ebola outbreak subsides.

[Miss Philicia]

I do not understand the thread title.

[zach]

I do not understand the thread title.

obviously, ms p has missed the part about black cumin. otherwise, the tidal wave would surely be welcomed

 

[Jeff G]

I think what he was trying to say is change is a cumin . BA-DA-BING .

[zach]

i heard matt say he's bringing some sativa and a nigerian to cuba... and mecch was in! i figured ms p was just tagging along for sloppy leftovers

[xxname]

Nigella sativa cures HIV????Yes or NO??

[zach]

NO

please, if you're new here, and reading this thread... nothing to see here, don't get your hopes up

[emeraldize]

I think what he was trying to say is change is a cumin . BA-DA-BING .

You are such a humorous sage.

[absopozilutely]

*facepalm* and this is why these types of articles shouldn't be posted poor Noob he just hatched with 7 whole posts...

[witch]

Nigella Sativa has nothing to do with cumin, it's just erroneously called "black cumin". It's more commonly known as "black seed".

I don't think the african author of the studies, Onifade, has any reason to lie because black seed is such a common spice, nobody can make any cash from promoting it as a "cure". I actually contacted him by email and the problem with his articles is that he uses a "concoction" prepared by African herbalists so the ingredients in it are not entirely clear. The concoction is also called "alpha-zam" in one of his articles. The herbalists claim it mainly contains Nigella Sativa but the other "supportive" ingredients are not known.

Onifade told me that they are going to investigate their own preparation of only Nigella Sativa but results of this are not available and most probably won't be available soon so a few people, like myself, that don't have patience for "double blind placebo controlled studies" have started their own trials ...

I am currently on Prezista/Norvir monotherapy. I added to that 15-18 grams/day ground Nigella Sativa. After a month since adding Nigella Sativa my CD4 jumped by a 100 but the CD4% did not change. The second month, CD4 and CD4% were back to where they were before but I have been using a different source of Nigella Sativa because the previous supplier could not get a delivery for a month. I will try to get Nigella again from the original supplier because that may matter ...

[zach]

jesus is riding pink unicorns sharting cure sprinkles out of his ass

will you be ready when he comes?



edited to add... after reading the witch's posting history

edited... the following rant... which you must imagine... was edited for clear TOS violations and personal insults...

[leatherman]

my CD4 jumped by a 100

ah! the exact amount the cd4 count can change within a single day. so that anecdotal evidence means nothing.

so it seems since you were last around here a year ago you did switch off Complera. Did that fix your insomnia problem?

[mecch]

Nigella Sativa has nothing to do with cumin, it's just erroneously called "black cumin". It's more commonly known as "black seed".

I don't think the african author of the studies, Onifade, has any reason to lie because black seed is such a common spice, nobody can make any cash from promoting it as a "cure". I actually contacted him by email and the problem with his articles is that he uses a "concoction" prepared by African herbalists so the ingredients in it are not entirely clear. The concoction is also called "alpha-zam" in one of his articles. The herbalists claim it mainly contains Nigella Sativa but the other "supportive" ingredients are not known.

Onifade told me that they are going to investigate their own preparation of only Nigella Sativa but results of this are not available and most probably won't be available soon so a few people, like myself, that don't have patience for "double blind placebo controlled studies" have started their own trials ...

I am currently on Prezista/Norvir monotherapy. I added to that 15-18 grams/day ground Nigella Sativa. After a month since adding Nigella Sativa my CD4 jumped by a 100 but the CD4% did not change. The second month, CD4 and CD4% were back to where they were before but I have been using a different source of Nigella Sativa because the previous supplier could not get a delivery for a month. I will try to get Nigella again from the original supplier because that may matter ...

Why go to so much trouble procuring Sub-Saharan potions when the army clinic in Cairo offers the ray-gun double whammy cure of HIV and Hep C.  If you book a group cure, you get major discounts for a post cure thalasso spa treatment in Sharm el sheikh.  All the circuit queens of central Europe are doing it.  You can even stop en route in Tel Aviv for some last hurrah barebacking before your cure.

[roy100]

This is an interesting  claim.

I made my order of this Nigella sativa on EBay, I ordered it in capsules.

I have ordered 6 months supply.

So I will make my own clinical trial. In capsules it comes in 500 mg. Assuming 500 equals 5 ml, 2 pills would  be 10ml which is  what in the study they  used twice a day .



Probably it wont be the cure , but would improve my immune system which is really whats its used for.

I will let you know the results.

Roy

[Jeff G]

This is an interesting  claim.

I made my order of this Nigella sativa on EBay, I ordered it in capsules.

I have ordered 6 months supply.

So I will make my own clinical trial. In capsules it comes in 500 mg. Assuming 500 equals 5 ml, 2 pills would  be 10ml which is  what in the study they  used twice a day .



Probably it wont be the cure , but would improve my immune system which is really whats its used for.

I will let you know the results.

Roy

You need to get your doctor to sign off on you adding/taking supplements . I sincerely hope that others that read this thread have the sense to realize that this treatment has no positive impact on your prognosis with living with HIV and in fact could be harmful .

[mecch]

This is an interesting  claim.

I made my order of this Nigella sativa on EBay, I ordered it in capsules.

I have ordered 6 months supply.

So I will make my own clinical trial. In capsules it comes in 500 mg. Assuming 500 equals 5 ml, 2 pills would  be 10ml which is  what in the study they  used twice a day .



Probably it wont be the cure , but would improve my immune system which is really whats its used for.

I will let you know the results.

Roy

Probably won't be the cure? 

Understatement of the month.

You have had a great result on your anti-retrovirals...

What do you mean "improve your immune system"  If you lost any particular kinds of CD4 cells during your active HIV infection, they are GONE FOREVER from your immunity.  You system doubled up on whats left. It could do that because you take anti-retrovirals. 

Immune boosting supplements are often counter indicated for people on anti-retrovirals...  You need to see an expert.  If your doctor poo-poo's any "holistic" track you might be compelled to take, AND you think its just because your doctor doesn't have the expertise, then find another MD, trained and certified, who might work with you and a qualified non-western practitioner who KNOWS his/her shit and will work with an MD... 

What Jeff said.

We can NOT do our own "clinical trails".  This is not a rational way of looking at fighting HIV...

What is the underlying worry, here?   What is the ultimate goal??  You are going to stike out on your own and find a cure? 

[eyupbirer]

Nigella sativa cures HIV????Yes or NO??

dear xxname,
it is not cure , i am sure because i have tried as discibe in that artical. (10ml twice a day)

I have used nigella sativa oil capsule, 3000 mg per day at 6 month, My viral load and cd4 not changed. After i start nigella sativa seed with honey 6000 mg per day 2 time at three months: my WBC and  CD4  increase 350 to 474 and VL not change....
nigella sativa has got benefits on cd4 but it is not a CURE....  you can also try and share with us.. 

[mecch]

dear xxname,
it is not cure , i am sure because i have tried as discibe in that artical. (10ml twice a day)

I have used nigella sativa oil capsule, 3000 mg per day at 6 month, My viral load and cd4 not changed. After i start nigella sativa seed with honey 6000 mg per day 2 time at three months: my WBC and  CD4  increase 350 to 474 and VL not change....
nigella sativa has got benefits on cd4 but it is not a CURE....  you can also try and share with us..

Why don't you take anti-retrovirals?

[leatherman]

CD4  increase 350 to 474 and VL not change....

since cd4 counts can change by 100pts within a single day, that's statistically non-significant.

what sort of trend (at least 3 tests over 4 wks to 2 yrs) does your cd4 count show? If you only have these two tests, you really need more data before knowing much.

Ah ha! In looking at your posting history I see that you have had tests of 520, 450, 400. I'm not certain where the 350 fits in, but it you add 474 to the end of that list, then your cd4 count has remained statistically unchanged within the range of about 450 to 550. So you cannot prove any beneficial effects from that nigella sativa.

of course, absolute cd4 count isn't the end-all-be-all anyway. Without knowing your pre-HIV cd4 "normal" count, it's impossible to predict what your cd4 should rise to, to be back in "your" normal range. I mention this as "your" normal range, because a person's immune system is really dependent upon a person's genetics. that's why the cd4 "normal range" is so incredibly wide, stretching from 400 to 1200. It also depends on just how well those cd4s function. Plenty of people in the 300-450 range live with few illnesses while plenty of people with above 1000 cd4s experience a myriad of health issues.

so if you have been worried about your cd4 count, you probably shouldn't be, as it's pretty stable.

[witch]

So I will make my own clinical trial. In capsules it comes in 500 mg. Assuming 500 equals 5 ml, 2 pills would  be 10ml which is  what in the study they  used twice a day .
Roy

Your intended dose is insignificant: 500mg = 0.5grams which is equivalent in mass to 0.5ml water (1ml of water is 1 gram not 1mg).

In the Onifade studies they used 10ml of "concoction" paste, 3 times a day, that was 60% Nigella Sativa seed and 40% honey, according to the African shaman/herbalist. It is not clear 60-40 % by mass or by volume and is it the volume of ground nigella sativa or the volume of non-ground, they are very different. If it is 60% by mass, that is roughly 6 grams of Nigella Sativa, 3 times daily.

One heaping teaspoon of unground Nigella Sativa seeds is about 5-6 grams. You will need 3 heaping teaspoons daily.

Keep in mind there is a significant variation in quality of Nigella Sativa if you buy it in bulk. The Arab guy that I buy it from told me that if the herb is 'old' then it is not that spicy and in my experience it doesn't work well. I've spent a whole month on a not-working herb. Now I am back to my old supplier (the Arab) and there is a marked difference in how I feel - I do not get a scratchy throat as easily as before which makes me think the immune system is getting better.

[mecch]

None of what you have taken has had any impact on your HIV infection.

This thread bugs me personally because my friends and lovers tred this path in the 80s and they died of AIDS.  Even with the help of the wisest shaman, holistic healers, spiritual guides, and the oldest and most renown health traditions of India, China, and Africa.  The purest and also the wildest food and potion intakes.

Every last one of them is DEAD AS A DOORNAIL. 

I find your passive aggressive avoidance of the comments some of us are posting here to be offensive, rude and disrespectful to the memory of my loved ones who died because there were no anti-virals.   My loved ones, not to mention millions of others who died throughout the 80s and 90s.  Especially the 90s when there were anti-virals but murderous officials in countries like South Africa marched untold thousands to their deaths through denial and hatred.

[Jeff G]

As much as I hate shutting down a thread this one has run its course and I have lost patience with it . We do not want people to come here and think anything other than ARV’s can save your life if you have HIV . This thread has become specifically about Nigella Sativa
and that has no value in the treatment of HIV .

This thread is locked .