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Stealting(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« on: August 27, 2021, 02:11:58 pm »
Hello. Thank you for this forum. You can't imagine how much you help us. Best wishes to all moderators. I'll try to be as much short and clear i can. I am 19 years old and here are my "experience list":
November 2020: I performed unprotected oral sex on a man, without ejaculation, i got tested for hiv several times until now, results negative. After that tonsils stones, redness on throat and holes in tonsils until now. Maybe it's just that i hadn't noticed before? Who knows. I also got test for hbv, hcv, syphilis and for Chlamydia (i think). After the window periods.
19 July 2021: First complete sexual experience with an unknown much older guy, condoms were used for anal (i was the bottom) and mostly for oral but i sucked him a little without condom after his persistence. Ejaculation on face outside the mouth. After that, i worried if he put the condom off in anal sex. I asked him he said no, in his profile on the dating app he says in details "No barebacking, only safe" , i asked from a fake profile for unprotected sex (in order to see how he' ll react) and fortunately he denied it. I got relieved a llitle bit.
18 August 2021: I performed unprotected oral to a man without ejaculation, but with precum, i had some ucler in mouth because i think that the wisdom teeth is about to grow, no bleeding.
19 August 2021: The same as the day before. Same guy. He says he is married with 2 children and he's very careful. I also created 2 fakes profiles to see how he'll react in unprotected sex and fortunately he fully denied it. He said only safe. But i know he's very sexually active.
21 August 2022: I performed protected oral sex on a guy with a condom on, i saw some very strange aches on his hands and on his genitals, the condom was placed from the first second. He cummed without let me know, in condom, he then put his penis out and i saw a drop of semen(?) to go down. I worried if the condom had broke but maybe this drop was my saliva from outside the condom. I don't know.
24 August 2021: I received unprotected oral sex from another guy, and then he jerked of and he cummed but some semen went away and came into my genitals, and my urethra.
Later that night my lymph nodes got swollen in neck.
25 August 2021: I tested for hiv with Vidas 4th generation lab test and it came back negative.
The test was done 5 weeks & 2 days after the first (and last until now) complete sexual experience(on 19 July).
Here in Greece, guidelines recommend testing with 4th gen test 4-6 weeks after encounter.
My questions are:
1)If swollen lymph nodes on 24 August are ARS from the possible hiv transmission on 19 July, the lab test 5 weeks& 2 days shouldn't have picked it up? I called the greek hiv call line and they said that from this encounter i am okband that the test is conclusive. Also the specialists on checkpoints in Athens and Thessaloniki told me the same. No need further testing for this encounter.
2) Is it possible my swollen lymph nodes on 24 August to be ARS from the oral exposures on 18-24 August? I think that the time is too little.
3)What's about semen in Urethra?
Even for the encounter on 18 August, is it possible to have swollen lymph nodes just 6 days later? I thought that maybe because the possible transmission was oral, that's why the lymph nodes in neck got swollen too soon.
I would like to here your opinion. Thank you again, i am always too scared about this things and i am planning to test 6-8 weeks after the last exposure on 24 August, and after that i'll quit this behaviour with these apps. I am only 19 and I think that i should calm down and take some time to think more carefully.
Thank you Jim and all guys here, i say it again : you can't imagine how much you help us. Really. 🙏👋

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Re: Stealting(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2021, 02:31:55 pm »
Hiya,

Receiving a blowjob lacks the conditions required for acquiring HIV, thus it makes sense that after nearly 40 years of this pandemic in terms of BJ's, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked"), and you will not be the worlds first.

As for giving a blowjob, the mouth generally lacks a route for HIV to infect, and saliva also acts to neutralize HIV by damaging the receptors needed to infect human cells. It's such a minute risk that we don't even recommend testing outside of standard yearly routine screening for STI's & HIV as every sexually active adult should.

As for intercourse and condoms, HIV can't transmit through an intact latex or polyurethane condom. If a condom fails during the act of intercourse it is obvious and there is no reason to be stressing about intercourse as long as this obvious issue did not happen.

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he cummed but some semen went away and came into my genitals, and my urethra.

Not an HIV concern, lacks all the conditions needed. HIV is fragile, limited and sexually only acquired inside the human body as in never being exposed outside of the confines of the body. An example would be during condomless intercourse.

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He says he is married with 2 children and he's very careful. I also created 2 fakes profiles to see how he'll react in unprotected sex and fortunately he fully denied it. He said only safe. But i know he's very sexually active.

Even if he claimed to have fucked half the village without using a condom it does not change your assessment. The only thing that matters is when you had sex with him were your activities an HIV risk or not.

They could also be having sex with the entire village and be HIV negative or only had sex once in life and be living with HIV. Whatever they claim it is irrelevant anyway and just to clear being married and having two kids does not mean they are not living with HIV. I was married for many years whilst living with HIV and I have 2 kids.

So stop focusing on them or their claimed backgrounds to ascertain your risk, it's a stupid and a sure way to end up with HIV or some other STI...

Instead, focus on looking after yourself by practising safer sex, so using condoms and considering PrEP. Now PrEP stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis. It's basically a single pill that contains a combination of 2 HIV drugs that are taken by HIV negative people before having sex (pre-exposure) and after sex, to prevent HIV (this is called prophylaxis).

PrEP is safe and highly effective at preventing HIV.

There are two ways to take PrEP, Firstly “on-demand” PrEP, sometimes referred to as “2-1-1” schedule. This means taking 2 pills 2-24 hours before sex, 1 pill 24 hours after the first dose, and 1 pill 24 hours after the second dose.

The second option would be "daily" PrEP, this is when you would take the pill daily to provide an additional layer of HIV prevention.

Next time you talk to your healthcare provider you should consider talking to them about PrEP and what options would be available to you so that you can consider PrEP as an additional layer of protection going forward.

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of HIV protection

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and, the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Re: Stealting(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2021, 02:35:41 pm »
1) Nothing to do with HIV
2) Nothing to do with HIV from the encounters mentioned.

3. A) Already answered.
3. B)

If you ever do have a risk that warrants testing outside of standard yearly screening then test with a blood-drawn (lab) HIV antibodies test at six weeks post-incident, and a negative result at that time will rarely ever change. If you wish, although not needed, you can retest at three months post-incident for a definite result & peace of mind.
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Re: Stealting(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2021, 02:56:01 pm »
Thank you very much for your time Jim. I really appreciate that. I would like to do some last questions. 1) If someone cums on someone's belly or hand, or face (no mouth or eyes) is it a possible risk? If there are pimples? 2)If someone cums on my hand and after that i massage his genitals with his semen on my hands, is it a risk? 3)And what if semen from a penis, during ejaculation flies and comes into direct contact with another urethra and goes into? I know it's a little bit tricky that, but i would like to here your opinion. Thank you Jim, you are the best👊
« Last Edit: August 27, 2021, 03:04:25 pm by Kostas01 »

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Re: Stealting(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2021, 04:15:35 pm »
It's not tricky at all.

1,2,3 = Not an HIV risk.

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Re: Stealthing(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2021, 01:25:18 pm »
Hello Jim.
I hope you are doing well man.
Please read carefully my story, unfortunately i will be soon on "i just tested poz" side of the forum.
As for the risk on 19th July, i tested yesterday (6 weeks) with a 4th gen lab test and it was negative. So i am relieved of this possible exposure, in Greece guidelines suggest no further testing about this. But after that i had some oral sexual exposures with 3 people who met via Grindr (silly i know) between 18-24 August. At this point, i want to add that i have always big red tonsils with holes and an ucler without bleeding in the place of the left wisdom tooth (i thought that it was gonna grow, but it didn't).
With the first person, i gave him 2 times blowjob without protection and with ejaculation on my chest (i had some pimples and scratches). I got a lot precum in my mouth. 
With the second person i gave him blowjob with condom (he brought it), he put it on his penis and he ejaculated in my mouth (with the condom on) without let me know it, for some reason i thought that he didn't want me to know. When i asked him what is happening, he said that he ejaculated, and then immediately i put his penis out of my mouth (sorry for the graphic details). Then i noticed a drop of the condom going down. It was either my saliva or his semen (in that case, the condom had broke)
I tried to check it but immediately he put it off and he disposed it. Before oral sex i noticed  brown lessions on his penis, on his scotrum, on his legs and a lot pimples (aches). I thought it wouldn't be appropriate to turn him down because of that. Jim, i think that he has spoiled the condom in order to contract me something. He was so quiet during ejaculation, i got a weird vibe.
In the case with the third guy, he was gave me oral and after that he jerked off and he cummed with his semen flies into my urethra.
This exposures happened on 18-24 August.
On 24 August i noticed swollen lymph nodes in the right side of my neck.
On 28 August i have SERIOUS non-stop lightheadedness, dizziness, headaches and a fainting feeling. This is constant all day and all night. I barely can move on from bed. It's the first time that something like that happens to me.
On 30 August in addition to all the previous symptoms, my lymph nodes behind the right ear got swollen and red. It's serious.
This time, suddenly it's not in my mind like the previous time on October. This time it's pathological and real symptoms, my parents are very worried and I can't tell them what I'm thinking about ARS etc. I don't know what to do. I know that something very strange and serious is happening in my body, i know that this time it's not in my mind and i have freaked out. I got the virus. It's a little unfair because this year i just started my sexual life and i have done only once complete sex, with condom. And only TWO times oral without condoms. My parents are homophobic and if they learn about my possible infection you can't imagine what trouble i would have. They definitely will throw me out of the house. Sorry about this drama, i am 19 years old, i have literally NO ONE to talk about, i am alone.
Thank you for all this work here, you can't imagine how helpful you are. God bless you man, best wishes to you, to all moderators and to all members here. Keep going👊

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Re: Stealting(?), Oral exposures and ARS
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2021, 01:40:00 pm »
Nothing you mentioned changes anything, now stop focusing on symptoms, instead see your local healthcare provider and treat whatever is making you feel sick, some of it has nothing to do with HIV regardless of your HIV status. That you tested negative yesterday confirms that because if it was HIV related you would already have detectable levels of antibodies.

I read your post and it's about the same encounters you posted last time, and your left testicle could fall off but the answer is not going to change. Also, them having pimples, brown spots and what noises they make during ejaculation or what vibe you felt does not create an HIV risk.

Getting ejaculate on your chest, your pimples and scratches are not even a route for HIV to cause infection not to mention that in this situation it lacks exposure to viable HIV. You did not acquire HIV from getting cum on your chest!

Now I've said it before but I will say it again, giving a blowjob, the mouth generally lacks a route for HIV to infect, and saliva also acts to neutralize HIV by damaging the receptors needed to infect human cells. It's such a minute risk that we don't even recommend testing outside of standard yearly routine screening for STI's & HIV as every sexually active adult should.

As for intercourse and condoms, HIV can't transmit through an intact latex or polyurethane condom. If a condom fails during the act of intercourse it is obvious and there is no reason to be stressing about intercourse as long as this obvious issue did not happen.

Keep using condoms and consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection going forward. Test out of standard routine at least yearly for HIV and far easier to acquire STI's.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2021, 01:42:19 pm by Jim Allen »
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