Worries about HIV

[AliQ79]

I had sex with two sex workers on the same day,

1 - oral with condom and vaginal sex with condom. No obvious slippage of condom. Worried about vaginal fluids all over shaved scrotum.
2 - oral with condom and vaginal sex with condom. After ejaculation penis became limp and felt the condom would come off so I pulled out. the condom moved up the shaft but appeared to catch all semen  I don't know if vaginal fluids entered the condom or what affects are of touching shaft which was shaved 2 days earlier.

My question is... Can hiv spread through vaginal fluids entering through shaved scrotum and shaft 2 days earlier.

Also what if vaginal fluids entered a condom due to loss of erection and condom coming away?

I'm feeling anxious.

[leatherman]

In both situations you had protected vaginal sex, so there was no risk for HIV. Shaving, small cuts etc. are not an HIV risk. Unless the condom was completely off, there was no HIV risk. Not using a condom for oral sex wouldn't have been a risk either.

Have a great day,
Michael

Reducing Your HIV risks:
With no exceptions, use condoms correctly and consistently for anal or vaginal intercourse

Talk to a healthcare provider about PrEP as another layer of protection

Get tested yearly for HIV and other STIs.
If you don’t use condoms and/or PrEP, test more frequently

Some sexual practices described as safe in terms of acquiring HIV still pose a risk for other more easily acquired STIs. It is possible to show no signs or symptoms from an STI so testing is the only way to know.

Get tested at least yearly for STIs, including but not limited to HIV, and more frequently if condomless intercourse occurs.

What’s the ONLY way to know if you’ve been infected by HIV or an STI?
Get tested.


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[AliQ79]

Thanks.
Update.

In total I slept with 6 girls - 5 sex workers.

Oct 12 - sex worker aged 23, vaginal sex. Condom intact.
Oct 12 - sex worker aged 35, vaginal sex. After ejaculation penis became soft and condom moved up the shaft. As I pulled out the girl grabbed the condom but it appeared to cover the tip of the penis only.
Oct 12-14 - friend with benefit, oral without condom and vaginal sex with condom. Condom in tact.
Oct 15 - sex worker aged 18, vaginal sex. Condom appeared in tact.
Oct 16 - sex worker aged 18, oral and vaginal sex with condom. Condom appeared in tact
Oct 16 - sex worked aged 22, vaginal sex with condom. Struggled to stay erect. She took out my penis and massaged the condom covered penis that had her vaginal secretions on. She then removed the condom, used the same hand to massage my penis until erect, put on a new condom and then proceeded to vaginal sex. Condon remained in tact.


My concerns:
Girl number 2 - as I withdrew the condom came off and so exposure of shaft to vaginal secretions took place but possibility of urethra too.
Girl number 6 - the girl got her vaginal secretions on her hands, then massaged my penis, and put on a new condom then we had sex so exposing my urethra to the secretions.

October 19 - runny nose
October 20 - runny nose, nausea, muscle aches and pains

I'm so worried that my crazy behaviour in Malaysia and Vietnam have out me at risk of HIV given the exposures. I would not have worried if I was feeling well. It's the last girl that has got me the most worried.

Please help.

[leatherman]

Girl number 2 - as I withdrew the condom came off and so exposure of shaft to vaginal secretions took place but possibility of urethra too.
Girl number 6 - the girl got her vaginal secretions on her hands, then massaged my penis, and put on a new condom then we had sex so exposing my urethra to the secretions.

the fluid a woman produces when sexually stimulated/excited comes from the Bartholin's glands; this is a lubricating fluid and does not have any more HIV present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears.

As to your symptoms, those could be anything from the common cold, covid, or a change in the weather. HIV and STIs are diagnosed by testing. No disease is diagnosed by just symptoms.

You used condoms for vaginal sex, and that's perfect. Since you're this concerned, might I suggest a few things you could do to help yourself with your worries. Handle your condoms better. Make to sure hold onto the condom when withdrawing to not allow slippage. Put on your own condoms when switching. You could also just limit your amount of sexual encounters or amount of partners. Any of these actions would give you a lot more peace of mind.

Just keep using condoms to prevent HIV; and remember you could still be exposing yourself to other STIs.

Michael

[AliQ79]

Thanks Michael for taking the time to reply.

I will make this my last post.

Regarding the secretions... They were within the vagina not on the outside. In the first case the condom appears to have slipped and penis made contact with vaginal wall as pulled out. Possibly including the urethral opening. In the second case the condom was covered with secretions from inside her vagina and possibly cervix as was having sex, she then tried to make me hard by massaging the covered penis, then took of the condom and used the same hand to make me hard including rubbing tip of penis, then put on a new condom, so the secretions were inside the condom, we then had sex again.

Were these vaginal secretions, cervical secretions, what secretions? Where would HIV come from if not the secretions?

When should I test? 4 weeks?

Thanks again

[leatherman]

When should I test? 4 weeks?

Four to 6 weeks depending on the type of test from your last sexual encounter is recommended for an accurate result. Make sure to test for the other STIs too. Taking in the situations you posted, you should expect a negative HIV result.

Your welcome,
Michael

[Jim Allen]

Hiya.

Just as a note, after reading all your posts, they are women, not girls, and perhaps if you don't feel mentally or emotionally ready, don't have sex for now; it's okay.

Also, consider talking to mental health support about these irrational fears and sex instead of testing and having drama about HIV when you had no exposure—a true waste of resources & time and often just the start of the merry-go-round of testing over nothing.

 PrEP might also be something to consider, not that you need it to prevent HIV, but it might offer some peace of mind in the future.

Best Jim

[AliQ79]

Dear Jim, I apologise for the use of the word 'girls' instead of 'women'. No offense intended, I was rushing and not thinking clearly.

I apologize for continuing this thread but wanted some further information. I hope as always, you will read my thread and comment empathetically.

Summary of main concerns:
1 - October 12: Possible slippage of condom: vaginal sex.
2 - October 16: Vaginal secretions transferred immediately from condom as penis pulled out, to uncovered penis and then covered with a new condom, then vaginal sex for 5 minutes.

October 22: Transient Nausea, tiredness and headache, and more constant aches in muscles more than joints.
October 27: Tender left submandibular lymph node but no swelling, and nasal congestion. Aches in neck, back and less so in limbs continue.

Normal test for Influenza, Parainfluenza, adenovirus, rhinovirus, COVID and other respiratory viruses.


I can't help but think I am the rare case... Vaginal secretions were over my condom and immediately massaged, condom taken off, transferred to penis including the tip, a new condom put on and sex initiated. Trauma to urethra during sex could have let those secretions in?

I have spoken to a Dr and unclear why I have my symptoms. Only conclusion is 'some virus'. But we tested for the respiratory viruses. I didn't mention to them about my real concern.

Online reading on CDC, NHS UK, the body, i-base etc all state vaginal secretions can carry HIV. If the secretions were on my urethra under the new condom as I was inside the vagina then maybe I am unlucky.

In my current country I can't really bring this up with a clinician. I hope you can comment more specifically on why you feel the exposure is a non risk exposure.

Thank you for your patience.

[Jim Allen]

Hiya

This has been asked and answered by two of us already, asking again isn't going to change the answers.

Firstly as you mentioned vaginal fluids I should add context for everyone, the fluid a woman produces when sexually stimulated/excited and comes from the Bartholin's glands; this is a lubricating fluid with no more HIV present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears.  Saliva, sweat and tears are not infectious fluids.

The vaginal fluid that is a concerned is found far deeper inside, near the opening of the curvix.

Anyhow, HIV is fragile and limited in how it's sexually acquired; it's acquired inside the confines of the human body and not once exposed outside the body as the receptors needed to infect corrode next to several other barriers to your irrational concerns.

You are not a rare case, evey third person posting here thinks they somehow have magic HIV, they don't and neither do you. I'll be very clear, you did not acquire HIV from the activities mentioned here, that much is certain.

If you post about this again it will result in a 28 dan ban from the forum

My advice is to move on with your life, keep working with your healthcare provider to treat whatever is making you feel unwell, if you keep panicking after sex then stop for now and talk to a therapist about these fears and emotional/mental and perhaps moral issues around sex.

[AliQ79]

Thank you for your reply,

I will make this my last post Just to clarify so we are all on the same page.

Even if vaginal secretions were on the end of the condom that was deep inside a vagina and touching the cervix... Once pulled out any HIV would be inactivated. So any secretions taken from the condom, however soon after pulling out, and smeared on the penis and immediately covered with a new condom, would not contain active HIV that could get inside the urethra during subsequent sex.

I hope I understood correctly.

Thank you

[Jim Allen]

You didn't get HIV by touching your cock, her touching your cock or you cock being in contact with fluids after intercourse when taking the condom off.

28 day ban.

Hiya.

Just as a note, after reading all your posts, they are women, not girls, and perhaps if you don't feel mentally or emotionally ready, don't have sex for now; it's okay.

Also, consider talking to mental health support about these irrational fears and sex instead of testing and having drama about HIV when you had no exposure—a true waste of resources & time and often just the start of the merry-go-round of testing over nothing.

 PrEP might also be something to consider, not that you need it to prevent HIV, but it might offer some peace of mind in the future.

Best Jim