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Author Topic: Undetectable means a person is not a threat for transmission  (Read 4524 times)

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Offline den2542

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Undetectable means a person is not a threat for transmission
« on: November 24, 2017, 07:53:13 pm »
‘I don’t feel like I’m a threat anymore.’ New HIV guidelines are changing lives.
 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/i-dont-feel-like-im-a-threat-anymore-new-hiv-guidelines-are-changing-lives/2017/11/24/a9ee84e2-cf10-11e7-a1a3-0d1e45a6de3d_story.html?utm_term=.cb68d49b1fea
In 2008, Swiss experts announced that those with undetectable levels of HIV could not transmit HIV through sex. But the world was not ready to hear the message then.“It was like the sky opened. Are you kidding? There’s, like, zero risk? I don’t feel like I’m a threat anymore. I don’t feel like I’m dirty. I don’t feel like I’m a dangerous person.”

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Re: Undetectable means a person is not a threat for transmission
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 08:06:08 pm »
"Undetectable Equals Non-Transmission: Centers for Disease "
https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=67627.0

U=U
Undetectable=Untransmittable

aka TasP (treatment as prevention)
leatherman (aka Michael)

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Offline den2542

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Re: Undetectable means a person is not a threat for transmission
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 09:00:03 pm »
Since I'm a realist and I am visual and even though our moderator said the same thing, the thing that takes time to absorb, understand and accept is that I'm not damaged goods and worth something. SOCIETY sure did a horrible thing to aid and abet stigmatism. Primarily because to bill this as a gay disease fit them, but I'll bet when all segments of society became positive, society was aghast. That's why society is dragging their feet to acknowledge that to be UD means it can not be transmitted. So I'll bet they are wrestling a with a new way to discriminate. How many more lives will be shattered.

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Re: Undetectable means a person is not a threat for transmission
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 07:13:22 am »
That's why society is dragging their feet to acknowledge that to be UD means it can not be transmitted.
I don't think "society" was dragging it's feet. Results of the HPTN 052 and the PARTNER study were released in mid-to-late 2016 and by mid-2017 the CDC issued it's U=U conclusion. Government health agencies always move more slowly. Even though many HIV+ people suspected being undetectable wasn't transmitting HIV, it wasn't until recently that we knew that scientifically
https://www.poz.com/blog/5-reasons-hiv-undetectable-must-mean-untransmittable

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Primarily because to bill this as a gay disease fit them, but I'll bet when all segments of society became positive, society was aghast.
of course, in America, HIV has been a "gay disease" primarily because of how the epidemic took hold in several subcultures (the 4 H's - homosexuals, heroin users, hemophiliacs, and Haitians). Unfortunately, while HIV is now becoming a disease of  specifically black MSM (1 in 2 will end up positive), in other parts of the world the HIV epidemic has always been a heterosexual epidemic claiming millions of straight lives and infecting millions upon millions more.

Sadly Americans are too dense at times to look outside of themselves at the big picture. I seriously doubt that our cultural will ever think of HIV as anything other than a "gay disease" especially as the vast majority of old and new infections (in America) have been gay men and still are gay men.

that I'm not damaged goods and worth something.
have you been feeling this way throughout the years? have you sought counseling for these feelings? Low self-esteem is frequently a root cause to people feeling stigmatized, worthless, or as damaged. Having an illness is no reason to feel less than anyone else in the world ;) Talking to a trained professional could help you understand that HIV doesn't really have that kind of power over you and your life.
leatherman (aka Michael)

We were standing all alone
You were leaning in to speak to me
Acting like a mover shaker
Dancing to Madonna then you kissed me
And I think about it all the time
- Darren Hayes, "Chained to You"

 


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