Author Topic: fecal matter on base of penis. (Read 44004 times)

worrywart · « **on:** September 12, 2006, 04:57:48 pm »

I recently posted the following on medhelp.org:

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Hi. I am a 21 year old heterosexual college student. I wanted to experience sex with a african-american shemale and wound up doing it. I really regret it and it is the first and hopefully only time I will be with an escort. I met the shemale through an online escort referral website. During the event she was adamant about using condoms. We used a condom during anal and oral except when I briefly licked the base of his/her penis. The condom did not break to my knowledge and there was no visible blood during anal. We didn't have anal sex (I was the insertive partner) very long-maybe five minutes at max. Also I can't think of any major breaks in the skin on my penis at the time although I usually have pimples there and sometimes razor bumps from shaving (near the base of the penis) I pulled the condom off with my hand and then washed my hands. Also, we kissed and I remembered that I had bleeding gums the day before due to flossing my teeth [my dad is a dentist and made me floss them ]...I am really worried and nervous. I have been having a stomach ache lately and I have some syptoms that may be allergies (headache, sore throat, stuffy nose). I can't differentiate these symptoms from the syptoms I would expect after an infection. I am worried because of the high risk category this person falls into and wondering if I should get tested and what my probable risk is. I took an HIV test earlier this year (before this happened) and it came back negative. Other than that I am unusually healthy (I eat organic food and take lots of vitamins. Does HIV have a preference for healthier individuals? Since I used a condom properly (to my knowledge), how would I be infected? Why am I so worried? Is it needless?

The doctor of the forum advised me thus:

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...You had safe sex by any definition. And of course nobody can guarantee that someone who uses condoms consistently didn't have the occasional episode of breakage. But in practice, people who regularly use condoms rarely get HIV, so the odds are strong that s/he isn't infected. And even if s/he was, your odds of having been infected are so close to zero they cannot be measured. It is literally true that your chance of being struck by lightning is higher that the risk you acquired HIV. Your symptoms are meaningless as an indicator of HIV infection.

HIV has no "preference" for healthy people. "Since [you] used a condom properly", you could not be infected. Is your worry needless? Absolutely.

As already said below, your unreasoned anxiety level suggests you should be tested, simply because this reassurance won't be sufficient to allay your concerns. But from a medical or risk assessment perspective, it isn't necessary.

Good luck-- HHH, MD

My question is: Why...exactly after two weeks am I nauseus and have a horrible headache. I usually never get nauseus. I am terrified that some unknown factor that night may have lead me to getting HIV. I wasn't drunk or high. I used a condom. I didn't see any blood (but what if I just didn't notice it? There were no visible sores on my penis. I was the insertive partner. After sex, I pulled the condom off and I either washed my hands and then wiped my penis off with toliet paper (what if I wiped some of the virus if there was one onto my penis...maybe there was bodily fluid at the base of my penis and I rubbed it elsewhere. I have been checking my temperature but it says I don't have a fever...but not everybody that gets ARS gets all the symptoms. It is really unusual that I'm getting nausea and a bad headache exactly two weeks after the event (it is now the third week since and I still am nauseous. What could have went wrong?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:03:37 pm »

Wart,

The advice you received from medhelp is sound. You don't need to test over this incident. Symptoms mean nothing when it comes to diagnosing HIV, so whatever is making you feel ill it isn't HIV. Please read our Welcome Thread to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.

Sexually active people should have a full STD screen at least twice a year. A full screen includes an HIV antibody test. If it's been a while since your last full screen or if you've not had one before, you might consider making an appointment with your doctor or local clinic.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:16:18 pm »

what if I forgot something about that night that would be a factor?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:18:31 pm »

Something like what? Give me something to work with here kiddo.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:33:16 pm »

I don't know. People have to get aids/hiv somehow. Like...what if bodily fluid absorbed into the base of my penis somehow...or what if liquid splashed onto my penis while pulling the condom off. or what if I transferred bodily fluid from my hand to my penis. or what if there were micro-tears in the condom that I didn't know about?

worrywart · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:35:08 pm »

I did get semi-soft during the experience...but the condom stayed on and I got hard again. also, s/he was on top (not insertive....just on top) for a little bit. this seems like a position in which the condom could slip a little. although it didn't to my knowledge. but what good is my knowledge?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2006, 06:04:54 pm »

People contract HIV from having unprotected anal or vaginal sex or by sharing contaminated injecting equipment. It's all in the Welcome Thread.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2006, 06:38:02 pm »

okay. I read the welcome forum. I understand that unprotected anal and vaginal sex can lead to aids. but what about what can go wrong? and how exactly does aids transfer from a anus to a penis? does blood from the anus seep into the skin of the penis?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2006, 06:45:21 pm »

Not quite wart.

If the virus makes it's way into a man's urethra (the tube that runs through the penis) it can find the sort of cells it likes to infect. HIV is rather fussy. It won't infect just any old cell.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2006, 07:27:38 pm »

how exactly does it get down the urethra? bodily fluid gets rubbed into the urethra? is this usually a forceful action?

RapidRod · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2006, 07:48:40 pm »

It doesn't get DOWN to the urethra, it is caused by direct contact with the urethra.

worrywart · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2006, 08:08:58 pm »

so the hole of the penis just has to come in contact with hiv+ blood and then bam! the person is infected? does the blood just get rubbed in?

RapidRod · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2006, 08:32:58 pm »

No that is not true either. Not everyone that comes into contact with any kind of HIV+ fluids will become infected. You need to face the fact that you had protected sex. You don't get HIV from having protected sex no matter what kind of spin you want to put on it.

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:02:43 pm »

I agree with Roddles, Wart. It's time to stop the what-ifs and start accepting the fact that protected sex is not a risk for HIV transmission.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:56:22 am »

hey mods...I thought you couldn't get HIV from safe sex...

Darkfiber · « **Reply #15 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:21:37 am »

...and please stay out of threads in "I just tested positive". The last thing a newly diagnosed needs is a worried well hijacking his post!

Regards

Darkfiber

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #16 on:** September 13, 2006, 05:41:29 am »

Hey Worrywart,

I thought you were meant to stay ouf the forums for HIV positive people. Go back to your thread in Am I Infected?.

Ya dig?

MtD

Ann · « **Reply #17 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:13:17 am »

Wart,

I've removed your post from the Just Tested forum and put it here, in your own thread, which is the ONLY place you should be posting. If you read the Welcome thread as you claim, you would have known you aren't supposed to post in the other forums. Get with the program, OK?

If you had bothered to read the thread you posted in carefully, you would have noticed that the original poster hasn't been back in over a month. Chances are very good it was someone trying to be funny and scare people like you. Ha ha. Very funny indeed.

You did the right thing and used a condom. Condoms have been PROVEN to prevent hiv transmission. Keep using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse until you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested negative for hiv and other STIs.

Use condoms for intercourse and avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #18 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:44:38 am »

well, why would people come on this forum and make up stories of acquiring hiv? how often does this happen?

RapidRod · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:47:00 am »

All the time. Some people have a sick since of humor.

worrywart · « **Reply #20 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:47:21 am »

Quote from: Darkfiber on September 13, 2006, 02:21:37 am

...and please stay out of threads in "I just tested positive". The last thing a newly diagnosed needs is a worried well hijacking his post!

Regards

Darkfiber

yeah well. he shouldn't be newly diagnosed if what everybody on this site and others say is true: 'that you can't get condoms from safe sex'. I'm sure there are more posts like his...either they are fabrications, distortions or they are telling the truth. and if they are telling the truth. what then? I think my concern is relevant.

worrywart · « **Reply #21 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:50:36 am »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 13, 2006, 10:47:00 am

All the time. Some people have a sick since of humor.

well that is really sad and pathetic for people to waste their time making up fabricated hiv infections, but if the mods and regulars here wonder why there is a barrage of 'worried well', as you all refer to us, posters, then there is your answer. reading stuff like that adds to the concerns of the 'worried well'. what if the person ISN'T lying? so what if there has never been a case confirmed by science. science is prone to mistake-making despite the public perception otherwise.

RapidRod · « **Reply #22 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:50:50 am »

Your concern is illrelevant. You had protected sex without the failure of the condom. You didn't have a risk of contracting HIV. It doesn't matter how many spins you want to put on it.

Ann · « **Reply #23 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:51:25 am »

wart,

Some people assume they're positive before they've had the proper tests done - just go have a look at LOVELIFE's thread. And yes, people do come here and lie. Why? Wish I knew.

The fact is, condoms prevent hiv infection. This has been proven in scientific studies over and over again. If you've read the Welcome thread and the links found there as you claim, you would know about these studies.

It's up to you - you can freak out and let your life grind to a halt over a no risk incident, or you can calm down and listen to scientific fact. Your choice.

Ann

Ann · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:53:44 am »

And anyway Wart, you aren't newly diagnosed. Why were you even in that forum to begin with? Don't put the responsibility of being scared onto anyone's shoulders but your own. Don't go off reading stuff to freak yourself out with and then come here to complain about it. Just turn your computer off and walk away from it.

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #25 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:02:29 am »

I don't understand why everybody is so feisty. Look, I can read other people's posts in any forum whether or not I am infected. It may have been wrong for me to post in there, but I had a feeling it would be removed and it was. Now, I am not freaking myself out; I am reading about a potential 'mystery infection' case that may/may not be true and if it is then science is wrong (which it very well can be. scientists can be biased or look over important data)

RapidRod · « **Reply #26 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:07:28 am »

After 25 years of this no one is going to overlook any data. You are getting beyond the scope of help from this forum. It's time for you to seek help from a mental health professional.

worrywart · « **Reply #27 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:11:37 am »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 13, 2006, 11:07:28 am

After 25 years of this no one is going to overlook any data. You are getting beyond the scope of help from this forum. It's time for you to seek help from a mental health professional.

yeah well. I'm not going to see a 'mental health professional' as they aren't really about health per se, but rather about the prescription of drugs to mask real problems (problems that I don't have anyway). I can see somebody is getting really agitated with the 'worried well' and maybe YOU need to seek out a psych doctor or try some aromatherapy!

RapidRod · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:14:53 am »

I believe it's time for you to get a time out and I can see it coming.

worrywart · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:16:32 am »

I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet with the reactions I am generating by asking what I think are legitmate questions. If I was satisfied with what I have read in the welcome forum or on the internet or on medhelp I wouldn't have posted here.

worrywart · « **Reply #30 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:19:45 am »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 13, 2006, 11:14:53 am

I believe it's time for you to get a time out and I can see it coming.

well ban me then. give me a "time out" for daring to question one of the regulars on this board. in fact. why don't you just stick to regulars or HIV+ forums only? Why even bother viewing 'worried well' posts. if all the questions concerning possible aids infections have been answered, why even have a message board such as this? I guess this entire forum is a waste. attention members of the 'worried well'! your questions are irrelevant - the answers flow in abundance on the river of information that is the welcome forum!

Darkfiber · « **Reply #31 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:26:32 am »

worry

It's just that you don't listen....

Your question has been answered. Many times here and even by Dr. HHH!

Why are you still here if you don't want to accept and insist otherwise? You are free to visit another board. No big deal...

You have not been at risk. That's it.

Regards

Darkfiber

Ann · « **Reply #32 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:35:14 am »

Wart,

This forum exists because there will always be people who need some reassurance or advice. Some people have actually had risks and need a little moral support while they wait for the appropriate time to test.

When you start demanding we explain the posts of someone who (to our minds) is obviously only here to start trouble and fuel fears, well, yes, we do get a little "feisty" as you put it.

You need to understand that we don't just parrot information here - we live hiv prevention every day of our lives. For myself, I'm in a relationship with an hiv negative man and we have a normal sex life - using condoms - and he remains hiv negative. For seven years now. Not only that, but there have been studies of serodiscordant couples - hundreds of couples over as many as ten years - and in the couples who used condoms consistently, NOT ONE of the negative partners became infected.

If condoms didn't work, I wouldn't even risk being in a serodiscordant relationship. They do work and I am in such a relationship. My virus stops with me and you can either listen to people who not only know what we're talking about, but also LIVE what we're talking about - or as DarkFiber says, you are always free to go elsewhere for your information.

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #33 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:46:02 am »

I think you all are most likely right. I am new to learning about a lot of this and I have questions and I don't need people like RapidRod telling me I need mental help. I may be swimming against the tide with my questions but I'm done questioning now. I got my answers, you guys are probably right, etc. But all I am saying is thus: people are skeptical of the status quo.

worrywart · « **Reply #34 on:** September 15, 2006, 05:54:18 pm »

what if I rubbed some bodily fluid that may have been at the base of my penis into my urethra with toilet paper when I was wiping my penis of. I this cause for concern? I don't know if it happened but it may have.

worrywart · « **Reply #35 on:** September 22, 2006, 01:20:38 am »

could someone just answer my last question and I swear I'll leave the worried well. I haven't found anything about toilet paper to urethra contact. If this even happened. But if it did, would this be a risk for aids? I know you guys get annoyed at answering all this **** but still, I'm over here popping pimples over this crap

RapidRod · « **Reply #36 on:** September 22, 2006, 05:48:35 am »

Your pimple popping has no relation to HIV infection. No you can not get HIV from toliet paper.

worrywart · « **Reply #37 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:38:44 am »

I know my 'pimple popping' has no relation to hiv, I am doing that because I am worried.

ScienceGuy25 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:21:26 pm »

Quote from: worrywart on September 22, 2006, 01:20:38 am

could someone just answer my last question and I swear I'll leave the worried well. I haven't found anything about toilet paper to urethra contact. If this even happened. But if it did, would this be a risk for aids? I know you guys get annoyed at answering all this **** but still, I'm over here popping pimples over this crap

Worry

Look back at all of your posts do you honestly think they are all "legitimate questions" or do you think some of them might be on the verge of HIV paranoia? Being a "scientist" whom you seem to think overlook data and are prone to mistakes - I can assure you that the scientific method is much more foolproof than your worried head. Face the facts you have an extreme fear of HIV infection. Toilet paper on your urethra as a mode of transmission? They knew even back in the late 80s that you don't get HIV from using the same bathroom as someone who was infected. It is up to you to start educating yourself with the real science behind HIV and the modes of transmission. Start learning about virology and the immune system for yourself so you won't be so fearful of this disease. (I can provide you with the name of some great books if you want to take charge and start educating yourself.)

While HIV is a scary thing, mankind is fortunate that the virus is not transmitted easily. There are very easy methods to protect yourself from being infected - these include proper use of condoms for intercourse and not sharing needles. If you religously practice both of these two things you can be 99.99% sure that you will remain HIV negative. If you continue to dwell on things like toilet paper contacting your urethra then your "questions" start to become obsessions and require the help of a counselor to work through this fear. You shouldn't take offense to people suggesting counseling - no one is saying you need to be in therapy for life. But perhaps if you volunteered with an HIV organization and talked to some experts in the field you could alleviate some of your fears. While the internet and this site are great things - they are no subsitute for face to face interactions...

worrywart · « **Reply #39 on:** September 25, 2006, 01:17:37 am »

I'm not worried about getting aids from just any toliet paper. Or toliet paper in a bathroom shared by someone with hiv. My question was:

"what if I rubbed some bodily fluid that may have been at the base of my penis OR ON THE CONDOM!!! into my urethra with toilet paper when I was wiping my penis off (after having sex). Is this cause for concern? I don't know if it happened but it may have."

If AIDS is transmitted by bodily fluids and I happen to wipe some into my urethra after having sex....then how does this constitute an 'extreme' fear of aids. Nobody here has answered this question yet. I just get replies saying "you can't get aids from toliet paper". That is not what I asked. I do think that is a legitimate question.

RapidRod · « **Reply #40 on:** September 25, 2006, 01:20:03 am »

Read the "Welcome" page and the links before you post again. YOU DON'T GET AIDS FROM BODY FLUIDS.

worrywart · « **Reply #41 on:** September 25, 2006, 01:47:33 am »

From the "transmission guide" in the "Welcome thread" (which I HAVE read....if it answered my question then I wouldn't be asking it here):

"The reason why sexual activity is a risk for HIV transmission is because it allows for the exchange of body fluids."

I feel like I am being singled out by RapidRod. Half of the other questions on this forum are answered in the welcome thread and are not as specific as mine. I'm not even getting a detailed response to my question. If you don't know the answer to my specific question, then don't answer RapidRod. I have read the links in the welcome thread. I read the welcome thread. I read Ann's safe condom use links. I can't help the fact that I stil have a question. I am not a troll. When my question is answered, I will be content. That's it. jeesh.

Ann · « **Reply #42 on:** September 25, 2006, 04:45:33 am »

worry,

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. Successfull transmission happens INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Once hiv finds itself outside the body, it quickly becomes too damaged to infect a new host. What you describe with the toilet paper has NO chance of transmitting the virus to you. If there was a chance, don't you think we'd tell you?

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #43 on:** September 25, 2006, 11:43:45 am »

Thanks for your answer Ann. Yes I think you or somebody here would have told me by now if there were a risk, but I wanted a richer answer than that (one that explains WHY there is no risk). I think you provided one. But now I've got angular cheilitis to worry about! Noooo!

Ann · « **Reply #44 on:** September 25, 2006, 11:57:09 am »

worry,

Angular chelitis has nothing to do with hiv infection, so don't even go there.

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #45 on:** February 03, 2007, 05:56:06 pm »

I recently had protected sex with another male. It was kinda messy and there was fecal matter on the uprotected base of my penis. I changed condoms after this before having sex again (the second condom got fecal matter on it too and after intercourse I tried to wipe the base of penis off - smearing the fecal matter a little bit). is there anyway that this poses a risk?

thanks in advance.

RapidRod · « **Reply #46 on:** February 03, 2007, 06:02:16 pm »

NO, you didn't have a risk. I just hope you washed your hands good before you eat any food.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #47 on:** February 03, 2007, 08:36:41 pm »

As far as protecting yourself from HIV during anal intercourse, the issue is about having the head of your penis covered.

Fecal matter getting on to the base of your penis is not a risk for HIV.

Just make sure you use a latex condom everytime and you are covered literally and figuratively.

Coffeechick88 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 04, 2007, 07:50:33 am »

Not from HIV, but if you, say, didn't wash your hands (a good scrubbing, including around the nails), there is always the possibility of diseases that can be spread through the fecal-oral route, such as Hep A and the like.

Ann · « **Reply #49 on:** February 04, 2007, 09:57:55 am »

wart,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Did you ever bother reading the Welcome thread when you first started posting here? Either way, go read it now and follow the Transmission Lesson link. You need to know what is and isn't a risk so we don't have to hold your hand every time you have sex.

And no, you didn't have a risk in your lastest adventure.

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #50 on:** April 17, 2007, 04:52:18 pm »

I had sex with another man last night and he came on my upper thigh near my penis. I was wondering if the semen could have rubbed up against my urethra or maybe dripped down to my anus and infected me. I've read the welcome thread and you guys say that HIV can't be transmitted if you have safe sex...but I was reading Stache BC's story and he seems to have tested positive even though he had protected sex. also...I used lotion one time instead of regular lube. the condom didn't break but, I heard that lotion puts holes in a condom. this stuff is scary. conflicting info and all.

dixieman · « **Reply #51 on:** April 17, 2007, 04:57:56 pm »

Wow! I am going to hire... at least 5 to six escorts and have them get their rocks off on me just to see if thats possible... lol or maybe with them cuming on me... somehow I could poosibly infect them with hiv? get over it... if you were just spooged on enjoy the moment because, I think not on exposure... unless your leaving out all of the details?

worrywart · « **Reply #52 on:** April 17, 2007, 05:04:03 pm »

yeah well look at what happened to Stache BC. he used condoms. so it must be transferred somehow.

worrywart · « **Reply #53 on:** April 17, 2007, 05:06:00 pm »

and I know this needs to be merged with my other thread. I'm sorry Ann.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #54 on:** April 17, 2007, 05:15:26 pm »

Your warts are still worrying needlessly and I suspect you really know that. And just want some attention. Or whatever.

More no risk experiences.

I've merged your threads here. Stop starting new threads. Keep your comments in this one thread or you'll end up being given a a time out.

Like I said no risk. No need for testing.

Period.

worrywart · « **Reply #55 on:** April 17, 2007, 05:25:54 pm »

I'm not looking for attention. It just worries me when I read about cases in which someone tests positive and has had low risk activities such as protected sex.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #56 on:** April 17, 2007, 05:35:54 pm »

Just keep looking for things to feed your fears and I guarantee you will find them.

Other undocumented reports notwithstanding, as long as you consistently use condoms for intercourse you aren't going to have any HIV problems. Giving oral is at the low end of the risk scale and the few reports of transmission in that manner are far outweighed by longterm studies which affirm that it's not a risk.

Get productively busy in your life and stop looking for trouble.

worrywart · « **Reply #57 on:** July 22, 2007, 05:19:30 pm »

I am worried abnout one more thing. I recently had sex with a transvestite prostitute. I used a condom but it was slipping during sex. It never slipped all the way off, but it did slip about half way off. I am very worried about this. How much of a risk does this pose?

RapidRod · « **Reply #58 on:** July 22, 2007, 05:30:15 pm »

None. As long as the head of your penis was covered you had no risk. Condoms come in small sizes and I suggest that you find a smaller size that fits you.

worrywart · « **Reply #59 on:** July 22, 2007, 06:41:03 pm »

if it slipped all the way off, would I have known it?

worrywart · « **Reply #60 on:** July 22, 2007, 06:41:31 pm »

this is probably a risk for other stds? right?

worrywart · « **Reply #61 on:** December 03, 2007, 10:50:45 pm »

okay. please help me. I know I have been to this board multiple times and it is obvious that I have some sort of internal problem and I should just get tested so that my mind can be clear. that being said, here is my current conundrum. About a week ago I had sex with a transexual escort. I had protected anal (me being the insertive partner) and unprotected oral (where I was both the giver and the receiver. also I performed annilingus on her/him. now, three days later I have white pus on my tonsils. they are red and my throat hurts. I have been reading up online (which I know you guys discourage) and stumbled upon a study that says that tonsils are the primary infection site if oral transmission were to occur. I also keep reading stories of how people swear that they were infected by giving oral. I also had numerous nicks and cuts on my genital area from shaving two days prior to the encounter. please help so I can calm myself and get on with my studies. I have a problem I know and you guys are probably sick of the same ol ****.

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #62 on:** December 03, 2007, 10:57:33 pm »

OK.

You were not at risk of HIV infection from this encounter.

Why not? Because you had protected intercourse. The unprotected oral you describe is not a risk for HIV infection.

As for your diseased tonsils, we cannot help you with that except to say that they have nothing to do with HIV. You should show them to a doctor. Here's a tip though. Arseholes are dirty things. Shit comes out of them. Maybe you shouldn't be surprised that you have a sore throat after you've been munching butt.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #63 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:11:43 pm »

yeah I know, I am to blame. I went to the doctor today and requested an std panel (minus the HIV). she kept denying my request and told me I just had a bacterial infection and she wouldn't test me for herpes or gonorrhea. Then she hinted that I could have gotten AIDS from this encounter (which lied and told her was heterosexual oral in nature). I hate doctors. I feel I know more than they do sometimes. It is hell trying to find an STD clinic. and the one that I did find here in Atlanta said that I had to bring "proof of income". what in the heck is that all about? I just wanna get a freaking gonorrhea test man. I don't have proof of income cause I am a full-time student. and why do so many people claim to get infected via oral? can everybody be wrong?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #64 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:13:16 pm »

So let me get this right.

You went to a doctor who diagnosed a bacterial infection of the throat and denied your request for an STD panel. She then went on to hint that you have AIDS but won't test you for that either?

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #65 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:17:55 pm »

no, she denied my request to get a gonorrhea/herpes test. she hinted that I COULD have caught aids from this encounter (that I told her was cunnilingus as I am not out and live my daily life as a heterosexual male - no offense to the gay people on this board).

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #66 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:20:26 pm »

And did she advise you to get an HIV test at the appropriate time?

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #67 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:29:38 pm »

I didn't know I needed to test over this incident. She advised that I get one in the near-term along with a full STD panel. My problem is, I just wanted a herpes and gonorrhea test today.

worrywart · « **Reply #68 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:30:30 pm »

plus, the incident was only a week ago and I need two weeks at least to test for HIV - which according to you isn't possible for me to have contracted.

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #69 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:32:09 pm »

You don't and I find it very hard to believe that a doctor would suggest that you could have contracted HIV infection but not mention the need to test.

This is not an HIV situation. You do not need to test.

MtD

thunter34 · « **Reply #70 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:33:42 pm »

Quote from: worrywart on December 03, 2007, 11:11:43 pm

yeah I know, I am to blame. I went to the doctor today and requested an std panel (minus the HIV). she kept denying my request and told me I just had a bacterial infection and she wouldn't test me for herpes or gonorrhea. Then she hinted that I could have gotten AIDS from this encounter (which lied and told her was heterosexual oral in nature). I hate doctors. I feel I know more than they do sometimes. It is hell trying to find an STD clinic. and the one that I did find here in Atlanta said that I had to bring "proof of income". what in the heck is that all about? I just wanna get a freaking gonorrhea test man. I don't have proof of income cause I am a full-time student. and why do so many people claim to get infected via oral? can everybody be wrong?

I'm from Atlanta, wart. Where exactly is this clinic you speak of? And the name of it, dear? I'd love to know.

worrywart · « **Reply #71 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:39:57 pm »

I'd rather not name the clinic - but it is in brookhaven on peachtree

worrywart · « **Reply #72 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:44:04 pm »

but still, why do so many people swear that they contract HIV from oral?

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #73 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:48:19 pm »

For a variety of reasons. Oral sex is seen as less "sinful" than anal sex. Many don't want to admit to what they really did. You know, like you don't want to tell that doctor you're a queer.

MtD

thunter34 · « **Reply #74 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:49:51 pm »

Quote from: worrywart on December 03, 2007, 11:39:57 pm

I'd rather not name the clinic - but it is in brookhaven on peachtree

That's about what I expected you to say. To be honest, I don't believe you. First off, it's harder to find a taxi in Atlanta than it is to find an STD clinic. Second, I don't buy the story you're selling about the way your doctor behaved during your alleged visit, and if your story was true, this site should be exposed for malpractice. There is no legitimate medical practitioner in this day and age that would behave as you describe. Third, if you are a student, you should be able to contact a campus nurse for this testing (or at the very least a referral). For that matter, there would almost certainly be such information available through the campus' website or even at the student center. Failing any of the above, fourth: pick up a Creative Loafing or one of the local gay rags freely available around Atlanta (even in the Brookhaven area) and start dialing.

worrywart · « **Reply #75 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:55:39 pm »

okay, so maybe I didn't look hard enough for an STD clinic. the one in DeKalb county said that they required "proof of income" in order to see me. they only had two inconvenient times where they do the testing - 8 AM and 12 noon. I am asleep in the former and at school at the latter time. I have no need to come on here and lie - especially about something this petty.

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #76 on:** December 03, 2007, 11:58:00 pm »

And this has gone on long enough.

Wart, you don't have HIV and you don't need to test for HIV as a result of this encounter. Now just let it drop.

MtD

worrywart · « **Reply #77 on:** December 04, 2007, 12:00:26 am »

and believe it our not, but the school nurse referred me to this particular STD clinic (the one with the mandatory income proof requirement). I can look harder to find a clinic I am sure. I promise you, that the doctor didn't want to give me a herpes/gonorrhea test. I will post more info if she calls me back. And sorry to burst your bubble, but the medical industry has its shortcomings - including doctors who were passed through medschool to meet quotas, doctors who have limited knowledge in a particular area , doctors who barely understand English, etc. Some doctors are not qualified to practice and still manage to do so.

worrywart · « **Reply #78 on:** December 04, 2007, 12:01:38 am »

okay mtd. I just wanted to explain myself that I am not lying - especially on this board where no one knows who in the heck I am - I have nothing to gain or lose on here.

thunter34 · « **Reply #79 on:** December 04, 2007, 12:06:28 am »

Quote from: worrywart on December 03, 2007, 11:55:39 pm

okay, so maybe I didn't look hard enough for an STD clinic. the one in DeKalb county said that they required "proof of income" in order to see me. they only had two inconvenient times where they do the testing - 8 AM and 12 noon. I am asleep in the former and at school at the latter time. I have no need to come on here and lie - especially about something this petty.

Well, there we have it. You must not really be all that concerned about this STD testing if it still falls further down the priority ladder than your beauty rest.

As for "proof of income", you can probably get this information from your campus. If not there, the Department of Labor can print you out a wage statment (even if that wage is a big, fat "0") in under 2 minutes. That office is oh-so conveniently located near you...right down North Druid Hills Road.

You don't need to test for this as you were not at risk here, but quality resources are available to you in your area. Don't even go there trying to tell me that they aren't. I know.

worrywart · « **Reply #80 on:** December 04, 2007, 12:26:48 am »

-snip- cause I don't want to be banned

RapidRod · « **Reply #81 on:** December 04, 2007, 12:31:38 am »

I don't see any need for any further discussion. No risk, no need to test.

worrywart · « **Reply #82 on:** December 04, 2007, 12:54:02 am »

even in light of this study? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070726085912.htm

Ann · « **Reply #83 on:** December 04, 2007, 06:53:54 am »

worry,

Yes, even in light of that "study" that "speculates" - if you read it closely.

Ann

worrywart · « **Reply #84 on:** August 29, 2009, 02:46:28 pm »

okay - back again this time guys. I had an encounter with a transsexual prostitute last night. She gave me oral (unprotected). After - I noticed she had a gaping hole in her right hand - it had red (looked dried) blood around it. It wasn't running blood to my knowledge. I asked her where she got it from and she said she had fell when drunk. She had used this same hand to grab my penis to give me the oral. What if some of the blood moved from her hand to my penis?

Andy Velez · « **Reply #85 on:** August 29, 2009, 04:40:00 pm »

Fella, you have been coming here long enough to know the answer to this one. She could have WASHED your dick in in blood and it wouldn't have been a risk. You're getting back on to the WHAT IF WORRY TRAIN and you need to get off right now.

It's really very simple. The only confirmed risks for sexual transmission of HIV are unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. That's it.

Get on with your life.

worrywart · « **Reply #86 on:** January 17, 2010, 12:48:35 pm »

last night I had sex with a gay male of unknown HIV status. I sent him an email today to ask about his status but have not heard anything back yet. I was the insertive partner. I used a condom but I think the condom slipped a little bit and then I heard the condom snap upon one of my insertions. I'm not sure how deep my penis went, but I pulled out immediately after hearing the snap and removed the (for sure) broken condom and replaced it. This is the first time I have ever had a condom break on me. I didn't see any blood anywhere on my penis after removal, but I didn't do a very thorough inspection.

I am so worried right now and feel like getting PEP treatment. Is this even necessary? Was the condom snapping sound when the condom broke or could it have broken before? I felt like the condom had slipped some because I could feel the intercourse a bit on the base of my penis.

RapidRod · « **Reply #87 on:** January 17, 2010, 01:05:04 pm »

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #88 on:** January 17, 2010, 01:06:15 pm »

No, PEP is absolutely not warranted in this instance. Your risk was minimal and very, very brief. The only reason for testing in this case is just to be cautious. I don't have any serious doubts you will test negative.

Testing is at 13 weeks although you can test initially at 6 weeks. A negative at 6 weeks will be most unlikely to change to positive at 13 weeks.

Given your history here as a self-described "worry wart," I am going to caution you that we're not prepared to hand hold you during the waiting period. Again, your risk was minimal. Get on with your life, test at the appropriate point(s) and ultimately I expect you to come out of this ok.

worrywart · « **Reply #89 on:** January 17, 2010, 01:52:41 pm »

Quote from: RapidRod on January 17, 2010, 01:05:04 pm

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

it's been over half a year since I last posted. Condom breakage is a much different concern than my previous ones. I also got a recommendation from Dr.HHH that PEP may be warranted since the partner's status is unknown. I'm flipping out right now because I don't really want to take PEP (I cant afford to be sick right now) but I don't want to get HIV either. And I've read on the board that there is some risk here so it's not really a no-risk situation

Andy Velez · « **Reply #90 on:** January 17, 2010, 01:58:50 pm »

Let's not get sidetracked here by your response to Rod's posting.

I answered your concerns very specifically and told you as I repeat now, that I don't see PEP as being warranted. This was a brief, single time possible exposure. HIV is significantly harder to transmit from female to male than the other way around. If I thought there was a real risk for transmission I would say so. In my opinion your risk was very low.

But of course you ultimately will have to make the decision about what you want to do.

worrywart · « **Reply #91 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:01:31 pm »

Andy, this was a male on male situation

RapidRod · « **Reply #92 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:38:46 pm »

If the guy you had sex with is NOT Known to be HIV positive then nPEP is NOT recommended.

worrywart · « **Reply #93 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:41:19 pm »

what if I never hear back from this guy? that would be shady, but it would be past the 72 hours I have.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #94 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:44:33 pm »

I understood it was male/male. But you were the penetrating partner which means your risk was significantly less. My evaluation still stands.

You have a limited time to start PEP. I don't think it's necessary but you'll have to make the decision.

worrywart · « **Reply #95 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:52:03 pm »

where would I go to get it? Its a sunday and most clinics are closed. An emergency room? How expensive is it generally?

RapidRod · « **Reply #96 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:06:30 pm »

Unless it is a big hospital they may not carry it. For 28 day supply it's over 1000 dollars.

worrywart · « **Reply #97 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:00:04 pm »

would it be safe to say that this risk is at the lower end of the scale?

Andy Velez · « **Reply #98 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:08:15 pm »

Yes. It is.

worrywart · « **Reply #99 on:** January 19, 2010, 05:15:04 pm »

well, I've pretty much decided not to go through with the PEP treatment. I say 'pretty much' because I have a few hours left in the 72 hour window period but I doubt I'll go. I already owe thousands in medical bills for times when I took illegal drugs and thought I was overdosing - but I was really just having a panic attack.

also, since the risk was minimal, I dont want to be on 28 days of very strong medicine for not that great of a reason.

I am also pretty sure (though not 100 percent) that I pulled out as soon as I heard the snap -and this I think is the point at which it would logically seem that the condom broke. after the snap, I pulled out and looked at my penis and the condom was in shambles on my shaft. I had looked at the condom before the snap and it was not in ruin at my shaft.

I hope I'm not a statistical anomaly and this all works out.

You mention that the risk is much less than the insertive partner. Is this a similar risk to the one that an insertive partner faces in a male-female situation??

Thanks for all your help. I will have to take a boatload of xanax to go get tested. I have extreme anxiety but I will do it.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #100 on:** January 19, 2010, 05:26:32 pm »

The risk is significantly less for the insertive partner. That's true whether it's going into a male or a female.

I still expect you to come out of this ok.

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