Author Topic: Anxiety : Kissing : Bite : Blood (Read 6152 times)

shattered guy · « **on:** December 01, 2016, 10:21:59 am »

Hi Guys,

I have been lurking around this forum for the last 2 months, and learned a lot from just reading most of the posts. I think you guys are amazing to help us out. God bless you guys. its honestly the only thing that's kept me sane since my possible exposure on Oct 1st.

I know you guys see this as a "low risk" or possible "no risk " situation and are asked this all the time. However I was in a club in Hmong Kong with some friends and only engaged in deep kissing open mouth with a CSW. It was multiple times and from what I remember quite intense. We did touch our tongues etc and at one point was a little aggressive and I did bite her tongue. Don't know if she bleed or had any other mouth issues that caused any bleeding but we did continue kissing. I did have a ulcer on the base of my mouth under my tongue (Don't know if it was bleeding) Also not sure if i had any other cuts or sores in my mouth. However it was quite intense the kissing that is !! I am married and don't fool around, I guess this has just made me so paranoid and guilty now.

I know you guys say symptoms are not a sign however, Just 3 days after that, I did get the flu, one sore (ulcer) bad sore throat /cough /fever/cold joint pain/fatigue etc. I did visit my family GP who suspected a viral flu and gave me dose of antibiotics etc. The fever did subside in 5 to 6 days but everything else like pain in the under arms and groin etc continued.

I did go back to my GP 11 days after as my throat etc was not getting better and I briefed him about my exposure and told him what happened and he said HIV is not a concern but I guess he saw that I was a nervous wreck, sent me to the path lad to get my blood drawn. However I think the path lab tested me for HIV 1 test RNA PCR Quantitative which came back saying not applicable for below below 20 copies/ml. and he assured me I had no real risk. On doing some of my research online I know now he should have asked for the HIV RNA PCR Qualitative test instead of Quantitative.

Its been 2 months since the exposure and I have had a real roller coaster of days. I have had mild to severe headaches, joint, muscle pain, pain in my groin, inner thigh and arm pits, couple of night sweats episodes, couple of mouth ulcers and also a lot of numbness in both my legs on and off for at least 2 to 3 weeks. The symptoms have finally got better barring the throat and groin pain, but I am really stressed about HIV all the time.

I have not been able to work or focus on anything else but just the thought that I have contracted HIV. I have been in a relationship with my wife for 10 years now and we tested last year for all STD's and HIV as we were trying to have a baby.

I finally got the courage to schedule myself for a HIV test tomo exactly 8 weeks since my exposure and keeping my fingers crossed !!! I am actually extremely nervous and scared.

What are the chances of me contracting HIV by this incident ? I do think I bite this girl (Assuming she has HIV) but don't know if there was any blood and scared about maybe my ulcer/sore or any other cut or strep throat I had.

Any advise would be great to at least let me calm down till tomo.

Sorry for the long msg, but thank you guys very much in advance !!!

Wade · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2016, 10:32:27 am »

Hi, your risk from this kiss was absolutely none...zero.
If this was your only concern you can fully expect a negative result when you test, it is safe to move on.

Best, Wade

To avoid infection,
You need to be using condoms for all anal and vaginal intercourse until you are in a trusting monogamous relationship and both have been tested for all STIs and HIV.
Everyone who is sexually active should have an annual exam and test for all STIs and HIV ,and always after unprotected intercourse. Always using condoms will give you peace of mind your tests will return with a negative result.

shattered guy · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2016, 10:50:00 am »

Hey Wade,

Thanks for your reply appreciate it. Even if I kissed her multiple times through out the night etc, and also with me giving her a slight bite she did pull away when I did(foolish of me), blood/my mouth ulcer/sore/cut /wound/lite bite etc dont know if she had any in her mouth.

Plus all the symptoms and timing, cant be anxiety symptoms only. I pray to God your right. Fingers crossed and look forward to your reply.

Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2016, 10:55:37 am »

Your mouth has dozens of proteins and enzymes that damage the virus and leave it unable to infect, the bitten tongue and ulcer are meaningless.
You have not had any risk, only guilt.

Wade

shattered guy · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2016, 09:22:24 am »

Hi Wade

So I finally went to a HIV specialist today and not my GP and narrated my exposure, he confirmed that there is no chance and absolutely no risk and confirmed no testing is required because of this exposure. However he saw that I was so paranoid and sent me for the HIV Duo test. I am praying I am negative. However I know you guys says its no risk. However what if I had Gonorrhoea in my throat from earlier and didnt know about it and then the blood from her mouth got in contact with the inflamed part of my throat.
Please do advise what are the chances then ? Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2016, 09:34:21 am »

You can expect a negative result when you test...

shattered guy · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2016, 10:48:47 am »

Hi Wade,

I am not questing your knowledge and judgement, but I was reading somewhere on this site, that gono of the throat can increase your chances a lot. I do often get a sore throat and had one soon the night after the exposure(assuming I had it without symptoms). So if I did bite her and blood was present, why is there no possibility ? Just to reassure myself. I hoping my results tomo are negative. I did the HIV Duo and Also PCR RNA Qualtative and Quantitative Viral load.

Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2016, 10:52:53 am »

Test for peace of mind and be done with it.

Best, Wade

shattered guy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2016, 10:57:06 am »

I did test and waiting for the same. I am sorry I didnt understand your answer.

Test for peace of mind and be done with it, so you still think it will be negative.

Really appreciate your time and patience. I know posting excessively on this matter might get me banned. But not going to post after this, if you could just give me yoru last opinion.

Thanks

Jim Allen · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2016, 10:59:56 am »

Quote from: Wade on December 01, 2016, 10:32:27 am

Hi, your risk from this kiss was absolutely none...zero.

HIV is not spread by kissing, hugging, saliva, sweat or tears. No if's about it.
Move on and don't post again.

To help you I banned you for 28 days for excessive posting and "drama" over nothing. If what you posted is true you had no risk so you need to get over it

Jim

shattered guy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2017, 08:46:32 am »

Hey Guys,

I am back from a long break, the last time I was here I was worried about deep kissing with a CSW in Hong Kong and also being infected with HIV by that. I thank you for all the encouragement then, it really pulled me through till I received my conclusive negative report, even it wasnt a risk. Anxiety played the better of me.

This time, its different and I really feel horrible to have engaged in Sex with a CSW in Hong Kong again while I was on work. I was very drunk, however remember buying condoms from the 7/11 and taking her back to my hotel. I put on one condom and tried to penetrate, however I was very drunk and was flacid hence we stopped. We then tried after 5 mins, I do remember putting the condom on while she gave me a blow job and then we had penetrated vaginal sex. After the episode, I checked the condom and my cum was in it, however didnt do any balloon test etc to see if had a hole or torn etc as I was pretty drunk. But I do 200 percent remember checking it after we finished and positive I wore one. However my blur here is that I not to sure if the first time when I tired the Condon slipped when I was flacid etc etc while I tried to penetrate or pull out.

As soon as I flew home,(approx 36 hours) I called my Physician and HIV specialist and started Prep Tavim EM and its been 2 weeks. I know you guys says don discuss symtoms but the last couple of days I have been feeling very weak, also been having a constant headache, stomach pain and nausea. I wouldnt have freaked out but today excatly 15 days later I developed a fever of 100 F and it doesnt seem to go down even after meds its been 2 hours. I really need some support to understand what are the chances of contacting the same, even though I am on Prep (Maybe her viral load was high)Hows it that I developed these symptoms exactly in the window period of ARS to occur.

Any guidance, advise of help will be great. i am just not thinking straight and its effecting my personal and professional life

Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2017, 09:16:22 am »

Hi, from what you have posted it doesn't sound like you had any risk to begin with. It is unlikely you were able to penetrate her if you were flaccid. Also getting a blow job is NOT a risk...NONE

All that aside, PEP has a very good record of preventing HIV when started within 72 hours of exposure,and you did.
Just so you know condoms shred when they fail and there is no doubt, they don't get little holes so knock off testing them.

Your test will be conclusive at 13 weeks and from what you posted I'm sure it will be negative.

Wade

shattered guy · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2017, 09:25:47 am »

Thanks Wade, your reply means alot. However I did all my routine medical tests last week which came back great. I was perfectly fine, till I got these couple of symptoms two days ago and now a fever, only thing to wait and see if I get a rash etc.

I am so scared and hopefully your right, I am not worried about the oral just dont know about the first attempt. My life has been upside down teh last two days with headaches, nausea and now fever.

This is by far the most stressful situation in my life.

Hope my prep works, As this time I feel very confident that maybe i am not that lucky.
Anyways, my life and responsibility will have o face it head on.

Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2017, 09:42:28 am »

You were fine the last time and will be this time too !

Wade

shattered guy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2017, 01:14:45 am »

I hope your right Wade, issues troubling me was the sudden fever yesterday, abdominal pain and nausea feeling two days now. No fever today but had some diarrhea this morning. Dont know if its the effect of PEP etc, its exactly 15 days from the incident.

I am so so worried, dont think i can wait anymore to be tested....

Jim Allen · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2017, 02:31:24 am »

Last time you had absolutely no risk whatsoever, and tones of symptoms, because you were looking for symptoms and they mean nothing at all and you went on and tested negative as expected as you simply had no risk.

I agree with Wade this time nothing you posted was a risk either. The only doubt is you were too drunk to know for sure what you did. As you started PEP finish it, test for peace of mind and move on.

If you keep having irrational fears about HIV taking PEP at a drop of a hat is not a solution and most doctors no longer give PEP just for peace of mind cases instead opting to educate people on safer sex and HIV. Consider seeking professional therapy if you keep having such irrational fears about this topic, so they can help you move past this irrational fear.

As for your symptoms this time, same as last time they mean nothing, stop looking for them. Most people experience none and that is the truth, so if you are sick see a primary doctor/GP and treat whatever is making you sick.

I do hope you feel better soon, i mean that however please don't post about symptoms again and as you have now started PEP finish the course, test for peace of mind if it helps you and move on with your life.

Jim

shattered guy · « **Reply #16 on:** May 14, 2017, 07:29:41 am »

Thanks Jim !!! Hope your right, hopefully this will
Pass soon. Can't live having this constant fear your right.

However , last question when do you think I should test ?
I have two weeks left for the pep course to get over ?
Also as I said I don't remember if the first time when I was
Flacid it the condom slipped etc, what according to you are
The chances statistically to get hiv from one single exposure ?

Please do let me know it will really ease my mind.

Thanks

Jim Allen · « **Reply #17 on:** May 14, 2017, 07:35:49 am »

I tend to be very clear cut on this type of thing.

Statistics mean nothing to individual risk. Whether statistics are in your favour or not has nothing to do with if you could be infected.

Look if you penetrated her without a condom at any stage stiff or flaccid its a risk, test in 13 weeks time post finishing PEP. If you did not penetrate her without a condom, than move on with your life.

Continue to reduce risks by adjusting your behaviour and test at least yearly.

Jim

shattered guy · « **Reply #18 on:** May 14, 2017, 08:41:44 am »

Thanks Jim,

Then the only think I can hope for is that the condom was
On when I was flacid and didn't slip and the pep to work in my favour

Of course you right for me to adjust my behaviour, nothings
Worth the stress.

Why do you think o should wait 13 weeks post pep , don't you think
If I can a RNA test 2 weeks post or a HIV Duo 4 weeks post
Will give me a fair idea.

Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #19 on:** May 14, 2017, 08:48:35 am »

Because a result is conclusive at 13 weeks, clear cut fact.

Wade

shattered guy · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2017, 01:13:29 pm »

Hi Guys

Still so stressed can't think straight !! What are the chances of Pep
Working !! Also does anyone know what the side effects of pep are
After 20 days of taking it !! Feel very low and quite sluggish during the day and
Also some headaches and abdominal pain from it I think.

Thanks

Ptrk3 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2017, 01:31:53 pm »

PEP is virtually 100 percent effective, if taken appropriately. In your case, since you likely did not have risk in the first place, it will be as close to 100 percent effective as possible.

Consult with your health provider about potential side effects.

shattered guy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 19, 2017, 05:25:07 pm »

Thanks Ptrk,

Hope your right, just the wait to test is so stressful. The pep I am taking is tavin em everyday and haven't missed a dose. I have one week to go and praying that the odds are in my favour.

I keep on playing the incident in my head and confident about using the condom and checking it post the 2nd attempt. Just can't remember the 1 st try though I pretty sure I did use it if I did the 2nd time.

Also hoping even if I didn't the pep works. This is really not worth the stress and hope no one goes through this anxiety. I continue to search for sysmptoms and definitely have some I feel but I am not a Dr so can't say.

My Dr is pretty confident That I am good, but can't be confident.

Pray for me.

Ptrk3 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2017, 05:50:39 pm »

You're welcome.

I fully expect that you will conclusively test "negative" for HIV antibodies as a result of the incident you described.

I'm sorry for your anxiety. Perhaps you need to address that with your healthcare provider in order that you can better control what appears to be obsessive worry and rumination.

I wish you peace of mind as you move forward.

shattered guy · « **Reply #24 on:** May 22, 2017, 02:50:43 pm »

Hey Ptrk,

I am on my last week Of Pep and cant wait to get it over with. Then the testing part which will be another 6 week wait. When you say that if PEP taking properly it virtually works 100 % of the time. Even if the person had a high viral load etc.
I am just messed up with Anxiety right now that its all that I think about. Apart then searching for swollen lymph nodes etc.
Whats weird is the timing post the exposure, I get the symptoms that come and dont know if that the PEP side effects.

I am sure there might be so many people out there currently going through the same and making them crazy, the strange think is that I definitely think I had the condom on the 2nd attempt as I checked after, just cant remember the first etc.

Hopefully I dont get unlucky. Thanks

Ptrk3 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2017, 03:03:39 pm »

There is no reason to expect that you will conclusively test positive for HIV antibodies because you really had no risk and are on PEP.

Talk to your healthcare provider about ways to deal with your anxiety.

shattered guy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2017, 03:34:44 pm »

Thanks Patrick....nothing is worth the stress. Sad part is to wait to get tested.
What makes it worse is the symptoms etc which you guys say means nothing.

Anyways I am praying your right everyday, whatever the outcome I a preparing myself for the worst.

Going to ask My Dr his week about the symptoms though....thats really freaking me out.

Take care

Jim Allen · « **Reply #27 on:** May 23, 2017, 02:23:10 am »

Symptoms mean nothing, everybody here has symptoms until they test negative ....
So please do not post about them again.

Simply take your pep and test 3 months afterwards for a conclusive result.
In the meantime move on with your life.

Jim

shattered guy · « **Reply #28 on:** May 23, 2017, 04:45:11 am »

Thanks Jim and noted.

Take care

shattered guy · « **Reply #29 on:** May 23, 2017, 04:55:10 am »

Thanks Jim and noted.

Take care

shattered guy · « **Reply #30 on:** May 23, 2017, 08:37:16 am »

Hi Patrick and Jim

Last question and no is not about symptoms.
I needed to have your opinion on Pep

No 1 I was prescribed only Tavin EM and nothing else with it
For a month ? I have been reading on this forum some guys have
Been taking Tavin em with another pill ? How effective is Tavin em on its own

No. 2 I have been taking it religiously everyday at the same time,
However maybe a couple of days 10 to 15 mins later than the normal time ?
Will that increase my risk ?

Thanks your advise will be great post this will be more at peace

Thanks

Jim Allen · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2017, 08:44:48 am »

Hi.

Truvada (branded version of what your taking) is sometime prescribed on its own. It's a combination of two active drugs combined.

An hour either side is not going to make any difference, the meds build up and have a great half life in the body.

Jim

shattered guy · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2017, 08:52:17 am »

Thanks a lot Jim !!!
Grateful and have less anxiety after reading this.

I am glad , I remembered and had the presence of
Mind to start it at 36 hours post my episode.

Hopefully it will work.

Thanks

Wade · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2017, 09:00:58 am »

You have your PEP, test at 13 weeks and DO NOT post about this again or you will receive a permanent ban.

Wade

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