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Another Supplement Warning

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ChavinKnight:
I believe in vitamin supplements, but they need titration under medical supervision.  I keep reading the people with HIV are more likely to be deficient in vitamin D for example.  "Vitamin" is a bit of a misnomer, since it is more of a hormone and receptors exist in multiple cellular systems throughout the body.  I had insufficient levels despite taking a multivitamin, so we added 500IU a day, then, 1,000, followed by 2,000, then 5,000.  I was still insufficient on 5,000IU per day.  It was only after I increased to 10,000IU daily that I have a level within the normal range.  I saw an article on aids beacon that mentioned that those of us taking tenofovir and emtrictabine were at higher risk for bone loss if we have low vitamin D levels.  I never gave it any thought but my doctor is big on it and a couple of others, so I go along because I trust him.  I also supplement B12 since I am vegetarian....I used to take herbal libido enhancers even though they were not needed.. Just liked the extra stamina and other benefits  ;). But I gave them up when I started treatment because of the unknown impact on enzyme systems that could alter the levels of my meds....

Wade:
My doc checked my vitamin D level about a year ago , vitamin D deficiency , almost
non-existent . I also take 10,000 IU daily to keep my levels in normal range.

I did however try every supplement known to man many years ago , anything to help with lipo issues , I was desperate. BIG waste of money, surgeons knife was the only cure for my hump.

I think labs would indicate if you are deficient in any particular thing, iron , B12 , etc..
I also agree taking supplements are not a good idea with out your Doc's knowledge.

Gruff:
To be fair, most of the damage caused by supplements has to do with people simply stacking a variety of pills without looking at the cumulative effect of what they're taking.  I don't see government regulation as the answer; the government has regulated every aspect of ibuprofin, but it's over the counter and if you eat it like candy you're going to put a hole in your stomach or esophagus.

You take your meds. Regularly.  You tell your doctor everything you're taking.  And you commit to physical health through good eating and exercise, not popping pills. But if you do take supplements, you research and investigate as closely you would research your HIV, your meds, or anything else. 

Keep in mind that to an ER nurse, motorcycles are death traps, because THAT's what they see in the ER room...but 99%+ of motorcycle riders never end up in the ER room.  It's all a matter of perspective and a great deal of intelligent personal responsibility.

Jeff G:

--- Quote from: Gruff on December 20, 2015, 09:28:29 pm ---To be fair, most of the damage caused by supplements has to do with people simply stacking a variety of pills without looking at the cumulative effect of what they're taking.  I don't see government regulation as the answer; the government has regulated every aspect of ibuprofin, but it's over the counter and if you eat it like candy you're going to put a hole in your stomach or esophagus.

You take your meds. Regularly.  You tell your doctor everything you're taking.  And you commit to physical health through good eating and exercise, not popping pills. But if you do take supplements, you research and investigate as closely you would research your HIV, your meds, or anything else. 

Keep in mind that to an ER nurse, motorcycles are death traps, because THAT's what they see in the ER room...but 99%+ of motorcycle riders never end up in the ER room.  It's all a matter of perspective and a great deal of intelligent personal responsibility.

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Over the counter medications have been studied you will get no arguments from me on if over the counter meds are always a good idea or not but they are not to be compared to supplements where you can never be sure whats actually in them or that you really are getting what you paid for. There are now plenty of studies that have shown that most supplements if not down right dangerous are nothing beneficial and gained but an expensive piss.

Gruff:

--- Quote from: Jeff G on December 20, 2015, 09:59:53 pm ---Over the counter medications have been studied you will get no arguments from me on if over the counter meds are always a good idea or not but they are not to be compared to supplements where you can never be sure whats actually in them or that you really are getting what you paid for. There are now plenty of studies that have shown that most supplements if not down right dangerous are nothing beneficial and gained but an expensive piss.

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We will, I guess, agree to disagree. I've been responsibly using supplements to good effect my entire life (certified personal trainer here.)   Even my doctor has recommended supplements, specifically Milk Thistle for my liver and Hawthorn Berries for my blood pressure.  Branched Chain Amino Acids (specifically L-Arginine) has worked wonders for blood flow during workouts.  Chinese Shilajit ends my acid reflux and chronic hiccups (I used to get them for 10 hours at a stretch.)  And Zhen Gongfu (Chinese Epimedium) works for me when cialis and viagra do not.  That's my personal experience...and with every medication (and in fact everything we put in our bodies), everything affects people differently.

You clearly have a cynical view in general on an unregulated supplement industry, and I respect that, so I won't belabor the point - but my personal experience has been very good - and has noticeably improved my quality of life.

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