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Offline elizad

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Kissing with blood and (theoretical) peak viral load
« on: September 30, 2016, 01:37:00 pm »
Last night, I got together with an ex-lover and current friend just to hang out, and for him to platonically spend the night (we have done this before and it's nice). At bedtime, we had both just flossed and brushed our teeth, and I had been popping a few pimples around my lip (don't judge!) - this had definitely been bleeding minutes/the minute prior to getting into bed. Things are still a little confusing in our friendship, and sometimes there's a bit of making out (but that's it). We're figuring it out. We were "deep kissing" on and off, and talking. I wanted to kind of deescalate the situation, as a sexual relationship really isn't what I want with him, so I asked him about his current dating life. He said he wouldn't call it "dating" - I pressed him. He'd had a "Grindr hookup" (he's bi) three weeks prior with an 18 year old in NYC. He said that the encounter involved the other guy coming over, trying to pressure my friend into bareback sex, and eventually my friend just gave him a blow job and the guy left. (My friend also had had a sore throat for a few weeks, which is it's own thing and I don't know if significant). This shocked me a little bit, as I'd never known him to do something like that, and if he hadn't been trying to initiate sex with me last night, I'd like to think I wouldn't judge. But, as it is, maybe the shock and trying to make sense of that has me worrying.

I have certainly read that kissing isn't a risk for HIV transmission generally. NEVERTHELESS, I'm stressing at what his viral load would be if he had contracted HIV from that exposure three weeks ago, coupled with the very recent small cuts in and around our mouths. Is there any information on this to reassure me that all is well and put me completely at ease? Thank you so much for your help!

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Re: Kissing with blood and (theoretical) peak viral load
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2016, 02:50:53 pm »
Since it is virtually impossible that your friend contracted the HIV from giving a blowjob, his theoretical viral load would be zero.  Therefore, your chances of contracting the virus with or without recent "small cuts" would also be zero:  end of story.

You may wish to acquaint yourself on how HIV in transmitted in order to put your mind further at ease:

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Re: Kissing with blood and (theoretical) peak viral load
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 02:59:57 pm »
Hi

Indeed this was not a risk.

When we speak this as a theoretical risk for it to be even slightly possible, it would require deep open cuts that are actively bleeding.

Real world for a moment you had no risk. Pimples and flossing ain't going to cut it and the mouth is hostile for HIV.  HIV needs to be present for it to be a risk and than to transmit it needs an effective route, in sufficient amounts and it must also reach cells which are susceptible to infection.

A small cut is not an example of a direct pathway to bloodstream or an effective route.

So unless you had blood poring out you mouth and so did he and you decided to kiss you had no risk.

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Re: Kissing with blood and (theoretical) peak viral load
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 03:02:49 pm »
Thank you so much for answering each part of my question, and in both the theoretical and real world scenarios. I truly appreciate it!

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Re: Kissing with blood and (theoretical) peak viral load
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 03:25:53 pm »
I was getting a tattoo this past weekend in a big room with several artists working on their respective clients. At one point, my artist was looking for some bottle of spray antiseptic, and the artist next to us picked up the bottle with his gloves still on from working on his client (theoretically with ink and some blood on them). He did use a single paper towel when he picked up the bottle - but that didn't seem like the most reliable barrier to me. Anyway, my artist took the bottle from him, sprayed the stuff on me and was touching my fresh tattoo with his hands. I figured the spray itself would probably make HIV inactive, if not just the air, but the dealings with actual blood being passed back and forth (on gloved hands and a spray bottle) between fresh wounds still has me a bit worried. In summary, the theoretical question is: could the other client's blood have soaked through the paper towel, gotten onto the bottle that my artist then touched and then touched my fresh tattoo POTENTIALLY transmitting HIV with this indirect blood to blood contact? Thank you for your time!

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Re: Kissing with blood and (theoretical) peak viral load
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 03:35:00 pm »
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In summary, the theoretical question is: could the other client's blood have soaked through the paper towel, gotten onto the bottle that my artist then touched and then touched my fresh tattoo POTENTIALLY transmitting HIV with this indirect blood to blood contact? Thank you for your time!

You had no risk, not even theoretical.

Jim

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