How appropriate a post.... I quit today..
HUGE CONGRATZ ERIC :) :)
What about Will?
I smoke a pack for no GOD DAM REASON.....
Plus, my ID doc said Monday if I didn't he would cut off my Wellbutrin XL. So forget health and money I need my happy pills!!!
Yup, you don't need those fags, we've got plenty here! :D
That is so dumb. To smoke and be HIV poz.
And therein I suspect is the 'correlation' between HIV and smoking: depression. I think depression lends itself to self-medicating through smoking, alcohol, drugs and yes, sexual behavior.
... sometimes the condescending tone of nonsmokers is almost enough to make me wanna pick one up just for spite. And heaven help the person who might pull up beside me in traffic to berate me for smoking. They just might find a lit cigarette butt flung into their window as reward.
I have too much to live for.
Attention smokers:
Consider this. Imagine someone on the sidewalk picked their nose and flung their snot on you. For us non-smokers, it's the same thing getting stuck next to you in public.
(I will now recede in peace...)
Smoking does seem to be more prevalent with the Gays.
Well, we were all "reckless" in obtaining this disease so it's hardly surprising that it's a theme that runs through some lives.
And really, which is more unhealthy?
Attention smokers:
Consider this. Imagine someone on the sidewalk picked their nose and flung their snot on you. For us non-smokers, it's the same thing getting stuck next to you in public.
Ah! We have been joined by the truly righteous among us! (takes hat off and bows down.)
Rick (pardon the sarcasm, but you are assuming here that I am the jerk who is going to be inconsiderate enough to subject you to my second-hand smoke, are you not?)
Does this mean you're gonna die soon? :)
I think this would be a case of using a double positive. LOL
-joseph
(who has never smoked)
This is what I think about second hand smoke. If you don't like the smoke don't go into, bars, bowling alleys, restaurants, don't ride in a car or visit someones home that smokes.
My dear philly-WHATEVER... I smoke out my window and rarely smoke around other. Don't lecture to me you little fist fucking pig! :)
how could you ask such a question? People who smoke subject others to their habit - second hand smoke - which is much more dangerous than someone choosing to kill themselves by becoming grotesquely obese.
hrm.
-joseph
snip
Don't lecture to me you little fist fucking, three-toed-toothless transexual faggot pig! :)
I *HATE* chain smokers -- SO WHITE TRASH!
Pelosi bans smoking near House floor (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_on_go_co/congress_smoking)
By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Smokers may be one minority in Congress with even fewer rights than newly demoted Republicans. Now they're losing one of their last, cherished prerogatives — a smoke break in the ornate Speaker's Lobby just off the House floor.
New House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., announced a ban Wednesday, effective immediately.
"The days of smoke-filled rooms in the United States Capitol are over," Pelosi said. "Medical science has unquestionably established the dangerous effects of secondhand smoke, including an increased risk of cancer and respiratory diseases. I am a firm believer that Congress should lead by example."
Where's Jack?
Now I find out that these guys at the gym who have awesome physiques are on steroids.
Attention smokers:
Consider this. Imagine someone on the sidewalk picked their nose and flung their snot on you. For us non-smokers, it's the same thing getting stuck next to you in public.
(I will now recede in peace...)
Studies have shown that quitting smoking is much more difficult than quitting heroin.
Just sayin...
Ann
Of course, I wasn't a hardcore junkie...
It is. I tried to quit smoking once to see if I could do it.
Nope. I just decided to like it.
Quitting heroin? Cakewalk by comparison. Of course, I wasn't a hardcore junkie... but I was into heroin pretty damn deep.
But I can attest that those studies know what they're talking about.
I'm waiting for the big boom to watch CA fall into the water. :D
Of course, it might be a great deal harder to quit heroin if it was easily purchased in the checkout line of your local grocery store.
Oh, and to folks who attempt to use the tax revenue of cigs to justify their "good" to our economy - REALLY!?!? That "good" is easily whiped out each year by the cost to our healthcare system - please think before you make such statements!
I was glad to see a post on this, as I have always wondered why anyone with HIV or any other serious disease would continue such reckless behavior. (Not casting stones, as I recognize it's my reckless behavior that, even if a non-smoker, got me here.)
That being said, I am curious to know if smokers recognize the impact that they have on those around them. I know that some are more conscious of their habit than others, but I become frustrated when I have to dodge smokers standing outside my building (who seem to form a herd that produces a disgusting cloud around them). And the ones that light up on the escaltors before we even get out of the subway ... don't get me started (have screamed at a few for such rude behavior).
Now that I think about it, smoking in public should be lumped together with HIV - which is criminalized in many states if you knowingly spread it. I'd back a law banning smoking in all public places, given that it directly spreads deadly toxins to those around you without their consent.
Anyone out there considering quitting - do it! If not for yourself (best reason), do it for the people who have to walk in your cancer-causing wake every day.
I was reading the AIDSmeds article on higher rates of lung cancer for people with HIV and I was surprised that "cigarette smoking is very common among HIV-positive people in the U.S. – one analysis indicated that 60% to 80% of those living with the virus are smokers (compared to smoking rates of 20% to 30% in the general population)" I've never smoked. Are there are lot of people on this forum who do? For those who smoke did you start before or after your diagnosis? I wonder why there is a correlation between HIV infection and smoking.
just dont blow smoke in my face (or up my ass for that matter)
Really! In my time, I've had so much smoke blown up my ass that the last time I farted, three Indians showed up.
smokers are rude and arrogant. >:( they kill non smokers-proven fact by professionals. you can go ahead and slowly kill yourself-just do not invade my air space when you are around me.
Lots of things kill non smokers.....
Like smokers who find they've had enough of the attitude.
"Are you obese? I'd say that's just as bad."
NO, I'm not obese and I agree obesity does cost this country dearly - however, that's not the subject bud. Now go smoke your cigarrette.
smokers are rude and arrogant.
i got your "ATTITUDE" comment. your the one who will be kicked off here. anyone who defends smokers aint worth a pile of dog crap. >:(
Twofires is that you?
smoking kills non smokers. dont get in my face or you might pay the price. >:(
I can imagine you don't like being around smokers but do not exagerate. If you want to ban people smoking outside because of the health of the non smoking passers by it is best to ban all car traffic first which causes you a and all of us a lot more health trouble than some second hand smoke. It's a good thing smokers these days are not smoking in restaurants and public buildings anymore but some tolerance by non smokers is essential because too many of them think they will suddenly become healthy if noone even on the streets smokes anymore, which is a huge illusion, the simple air you breath by car, heating and factory pollution will kill you 1 million times faster.
then FUCK OFF
LIKE I SAID BEFORE-YOU SMOKERS BETTER STAY AWAY FROM ME. >:(
Swede -- you've been warned as well. Will everyone please return to a more civilized discourse, please?
Peter
Yeah! We're having a great discussion about nuggets over in the Porn thread! :D
philly267 AND Scott94596:
end this now. You've both been warned. Keep it up, and you'll both get TOs.
Peter
Philly -- we really don't care who starts things. We issue warnings and TOs because of flame wars, both to those that start one, and to those that respond to them in kind.
Peter
Plus he just registered at 9am and within 10 post began attacking me. Yet somehow I'm to blame for not turning the other cheek and rolling over like a limp noodle.
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Yeah....but twofires didn't present himself to be...um....''anti-smoking'', shall we say?
And another thing - if any of you have suspicions about the identity of a new poster, please talk to me via PM. In this case Scott is NOT twofires - if he were he would have been gone before he even got started, ok? Give us some credit please!
Ann
(who is trying to be patient!)
FYI -- Scott continued to abuse the moderators via email, and has been permanently banned.
Nice deflection FAT BOY!!! :)
Nice deflection FAT BOY!!!
Oh come now! Name calling??? Philly is such a cool city, please do it justice... and BTW, you'd pay to have my bod - made all the hotter and buffer by the fact that I DON'T SMOKE!!!!
Soooo, nahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! ;D
hmm, I know people that don't smoke that have died of COPD, Cancer and emphysema.
hey rapidrod- they must be in a very small minority. why is that smokers or people who support smoking always have to answer back and start a fight, without having any facts to back up their statement? amazing.
hey rapidrod- they must be in a very small minority. why is that smokers or people who support smoking always have to answer back and start a fight, without having any facts to back up their statement? amazing.I don't understand, you just registered at 1756 EST and by 18:15 you're are throwing out accusations. I'm not going to go through this again tonight.
DAY 2 FOR ME..
people who get lung cancer and never smoke and in a very small minority. too small to even count.
I'm not going to go through this again tonight.
people who get lung cancer and never smoke and in a very small minority. too small to even count. too many people here that defend smoking and smokers. it really is sad.
Beware of studies. Correlation does not always equal causation.
Ice cream sales and the number of shark attacks on swimmers are correlated.
Skirt lengths and stock prices are highly correlated (as stock prices go up, skirt lengths get shorter).
The number of cavities in elementary school children and vocabulary size have a strong positive correlation.
from: http://www.stat.tamu.edu/stat30x/notes/node42.html
I think what it boils down to is respect, and the imposition of beliefs upon others. Perhaps people haven't been able to pinpoint it, but we all come out fighting like badgers when we feel that our choices are being taken away.
-joseph
This thread would not be complete without this:I forgot how much I loved these babies. :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_it3btjwmzo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_it3btjwmzo)
Aaaah....there it is.....
Ignore me from now on, please. :D
Perhaps people haven't been able to pinpoint it, but we all come out fighting like badgers when we feel that our choices are being taken away.
aupoint -
In all seriousness, there are deaths and there are deaths - I know this up close and personal. Choose your demise wisely.
le pingouin (Razorbill in French)
And that's most bold-faced honest thing I've ever admitted to anyone on here.
I don't know... I thought the heroin use was pretty bold. :)
I admire you.
Thank you.
It's so much easier for me to talk about what I've done than what I feel, I suppose. I'm uncomfortable with most emotion. I don't know why... but I am.
In a society where we're taught that emotional visibility is a sign of weakness, it doesn't surprise me.
-joseph
I'm uncomfortable with most emotion. I don't know why... but I am.
I was blaming it on my mother's family being Southern....
No joke.
Not to change the subject but...
AHhhhhhh... prohibition.
Yes... It didn't work in the 20's... You can only push people so far with right limitations before you invent another genre of organized crime...
AHhhhhhh... prohibition.
Yes... It didn't work in the 20's... You can only push people so far with right limitations before you invent another genre of organized crime...
:)
My great grandma used to bootleg whiskey. :)
-joseph
Hey, my great grandmother told tales of making "bathtub gin" and selling it in her "speak-easy". Her daughter, my grandmother, when a young girl would dance on the bar and sing vulgar drinking songs of the day. My grandmother, probably due to a bit of senility, recently began to constantly sing these awful ditties. I have to admit, some of them made me blush, coming out of grandma's mouth.
Why is tonight the first time I noticed this stupid font?
I don't know... I thought the heroin use was pretty bold. :)
I admire you.
I'd like to marry Boo so that I can steal all of his klonopin
In the end... the world death rate is holding fairly steady at 100%
I hear the risk of dying from being born is 1 to 1. ;)
All smokers are the knowing or inadvertant followers of the Horned One, the Beast, the Name that Dare Not be Spoken... and on and on and on.
Plus do we really want to live in a flood zone?
DAY 3 FOR ME..
All smokers are the knowing or inadvertant followers of the Horned One, the Beast, the Name that Dare Not be Spoken... and on and on and on.
Without wishing to sound like a salesman anyone thinking about quitting should consider reading Allen Carr's easy way to quit smoking book. He basically argues that the physical addiction to nicotine only lasts 3 days and everything else is physcological i've read the book and it's quite interesting it's worked for a hell of a lot of people as well.
Of course the downside of this ban is pubs etc instead of smelling like smoke smell of peoples armpits and other bodily odours, nice.
the whole idea of the nanny state is one that rubs me the wrong way.
The reason I agree with the smoking ban is because of the effects of passive smoking on people who don't ask to be subjected to it.
After NYC bars went non-smoking, the smokers would pop out frequently, even in the bitter cold, to get their oral/nicotine fix. It was nice, actually, in a way -- there was a kind of camaraderie. Even met a couple of hotties that way. (Easiest pick-up or intro line, I suppose: "Could I bum a smoke?")
I've actually scored very high points with hot guys who ask me for a cigarette... I say yes... put it in my mouth and light it for them, and then hand it to them.
It's a gesture that says, "Do me now. Really."
You know, you just don't get quite the same results when you're using Little Debbie snack cakes instead of cigarettes... hrm...
*scratches head*
-joseph
whore
Yes, but you wear WHITE SHOES
OK -- in the spirit of a good debate.... ;D
First -- the legal disclosures:
I quit drinking in 1989
I quit smoking in 1993
OK --
I don't consider asking that I be allowed to breathe smoke-free air in public places to be a horrible request. I too believe that people should be allowed to do as they wish with and to their body, so long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Certainly one can argue that a business owner has a right to allow smoking in his/her establishment. I'd be fine with that -- just post it plainly, so that I and others who don't want the smoke know this. The problem with this is, most people (at least in the US) do NOT smoke, so the economics would get to many businesses and force their hands -- but not all, I'm sure.
I'm just saying.....
Mike
I trust that's dye in your hair! :) Nice color. (and if that's not a "Come Hither" look I don't know what is... like I said: whore)
*nods in mike's general direction*
want a little debbie snack cake???
*wink*
;)
-joseph
Hmmmmm!???!! Would that be an Oatmeal Cream Treat??? :-X
Mike
Let me give you one *begins frothing at the mouth*
*unwraps the oatmeal cream treat*
*gives it exceptional, slobbery tongue action, and takes a small nibble*
*wipes backwash from lips*
*hands little debby Oatmeal Cream Treat to Mike*
Here you are, baby....
"Do me now, really!"
-joseph
Speaking of smoking... I am going to be on planes and in airports from 10:20 AM until 4:50 PM (Central) tomorrow.
No cigarettes.
I'm nic fitting just thinking about it.
kthxbye!
I was glad to see a post on this, as I have always wondered why anyone with HIV or any other serious disease would continue such reckless behavior. (Not casting stones, as I recognize it's my reckless behavior that, even if a non-smoker, got me here.)
That being said, I am curious to know if smokers recognize the impact that they have on those around them. I know that some are more conscious of their habit than others, but I become frustrated when I have to dodge smokers standing outside my building (who seem to form a herd that produces a disgusting cloud around them). And the ones that light up on the escaltors before we even get out of the subway ... don't get me started (have screamed at a few for such rude behavior).
Now that I think about it, smoking in public should be lumped together with HIV - which is criminalized in many states if you knowingly spread it. I'd back a law banning smoking in all public places, given that it directly spreads deadly toxins to those around you without their consent.
Anyone out there considering quitting - do it! If not for yourself (best reason), do it for the people who have to walk in your cancer-causing wake every day.
And the ones that light up on the escaltors before we even get out of the subway ... don't get me started (have screamed at a few for such rude behavior).
Now that I think about it, smoking in public should be lumped together with HIV - which is criminalized in many states if you knowingly spread it. I'd back a law banning smoking in all public places, given that it directly spreads deadly toxins to those around you without their consent.
Anyone out there considering quitting - do it! If not for yourself (best reason), do it for the people who have to walk in your cancer-causing wake every day.
$7 a pack?! Good grief! Here in the heart of tobacco country, they are only about $3.50...sometimes less. Heck, you can do the cruise ship in a year. Even if you give up on the savings before then, you can still get some nice dinners for $49...and some pretty nice swag for the $196 / month.
ps: I lost 10 lbs this week (all my mother's holiday food)
Also considering joining a gym, but not until February... hate those fools who swarm in January due to resolutions. I used to be SUCH a gym bunny years ago but fell out of it when I had a 35 lb. weight loss and a sprained ligament doing leg presses. However, it should be noted that I still made a grand appearance at Twilo (NYC nightclub) wearing head to toe Westwood and a pair of crutches. The queens all applauded.
(too bad my life is so BORING now! ha ha)
::retired from clubs::
As for using other harmful things as an excuse to make smoking "ok" -- I don't buy it.
Several people have mentioned the issue of other emissions in this debate, namely automotive. It's a valid point, and one that I've thought about a lot before. What's not been said, however, is that they do in fact aggressively regulate emissions from automobiles for the very reason that they are known toxins. In California, for example, you cannot buy or manufacture a diesel vehicles unless it meets a 99% emissions-free clean air test (which no U.S. manufacturer, including DaimlerChrysler or Volkswagen has been able to achieve).
In addition, studies have shown that cigarettes are, in fact, more harmful than the commons auto emissions - in some cases by up to 10 times more.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6312
Putting the science aside, I think the key thing for smokers to take away from this issue is respecting those whom your own personal choices impact. Our individual rights end where other people's rights begin, and many individuals choose not to smoke because of the damage it does. That means that they have a right to protect themselves, including preventing your behavior and choices from overriding their decision.