Author Topic: Homosexuals Are Immoral (Read 6530 times)

Dachshund · « **on:** March 13, 2007, 09:10:06 am »

At least General Pace is only comparing homosexuality with adultery and not pedophilia and bestiality this time. We're making progress...not!

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/12/pace-homosexuality-immoral/trackback/

Moffie65 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:18:18 am »

Doxie,

Thanks for starting this thread, it keeps me from having to do it!

I want to know where one draws the line in their moral judgements, when it is U.S. Policy to use Radioactive enriched ordinance in Iraq and elsewhere on the planet, kill thousands of women and children in our quest for oil, wipe equatorial forests clean for cheap ethanol, and oil; and then we have the audacity to say that same sex love trumps that?

??

Oh how my head hurts.

In Pain!!!!!

dtwpuck · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2007, 11:56:55 am »

The universal standard bearer for ethics and morality, the US Military, has spoken. Gays are immoral. We can now look up to our sinless brethren, heterosexual soldiers, and thank them for the splendid examples they set for us to follow. I suppose we should all now feel it is OK to rape female colleagues, drink and beat each other up, and shoot innocent civilians just because we are ordered to. These things are so much more fulfilling than sucking cock. I see the error of my ways.

Dachshund · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2007, 02:05:26 pm »

Madame Speaker weighs in...

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/pelosi-pace-homosexuality/trackback/

woodshere · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2007, 02:50:37 pm »

Looks to me like the experts on morality are trying to have it both ways. In an effort to increase recruitment the military now grants "moral waivers" allowing those convicted of committing crimes and even serving in prison to join. Last year 8129 moral waivers were granted to beef up the ranks.

Perhaps gays and lesbians wishing to serve could commit a petty crime and then they would be morally qualified to serve in the military.

Woods
who can understand the desire to serve the country, but for the life of me can't figure out how in the hell you could serve with GW as your commander in chief.

Ihavehope · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2007, 02:58:17 pm »

we can be sometimes.

Jeffreyj · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2007, 03:38:38 pm »

Immoral? And what do you call the lack of medical care of our troops after a leg or arm gets blown off?
That is criminal. At least.

Idiot. Complete fool.

Horrid human being. He should have to spend a month in building 18 at Walter Reed!

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:01:22 pm »

Matty the Damned has never understood this curious policy of the US military. Given the low esteem in which fudge-packers and carpet-munchers are held in the States, one would think that the W. and the crowd would be only too happy dispatch them to the frontlines.

I mean an IED will kill a fag just as effectively as being bashed and strung from a fence on a chilly night in Wyoming.

Nevertheless, I listened to the audio track of General Pace's comments. Apparently immorality, whether it's bedding your battalion commander's lush of a wife or rear-ending Luis the comely young 19 year old SPC is ok so long as nobody catches you.

MtD

randym431 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:57:09 pm »

What he's really saying is I'M GAY!!! Thats how these things always go...

Next we'll have 2 or 3 male escorts coming out, outing him...

J.R.E. · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2007, 07:17:35 pm »

I guess my immorality, didn't prevent them from drafting me into the military, in 1971 !!

Immoral and Proud to have served. This guy needs to be replaced. I had heard this on the news today.

Ray

mjmel · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2007, 08:22:41 am »

Ah! hungry like a wolf. Groundwork for plans of a possible political career? Time to let the conservatives and christian right know where he stands. What a mighty warrior he is to stand up against the mighty army of gay recruits. I'm sure many of you are aware that we gays actively "recruit" straights into gayland, as well as, spoil the gene pool. Terrible what's happening to America. It's those immoral faggots that are running........,no, ruining the country!
Might as well bash the faggots. After all, it's almost politically incorrect, but not quite forbidden yet. I find it suitable material as followup comment to Ann Coulters'. Is this a co-incident?

,
Mike

Ihavehope · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:05:49 am »

Dachshund · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:53:26 am »

Once again a serious thread reduced to characterizations and jokes.

~sigh

Ihavehope · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:58:40 am »

Sorry if my Elton John picture insulted you. Mr. Dachshund. We all cope with rejection and bad news in many ways.

Dachshund · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:03:36 pm »

Quote from: Ihavehope on March 14, 2007, 11:58:40 am

Sorry if my Elton John picture insulted you. Mr. Dachshund. We all cope with rejection and bad news in many ways.

I find it insulting to the 65,000 gay men and women serving in the armed forces. It feeds stereotypes that people like General Pace and others use to try and prove gays are a joke and should be treated as such. It is not me you are insulting.

Ihavehope · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:06:09 pm »

I think Elton John was trying to make a statement perhaps you have a different interpretation of the picture.

Dachshund · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:17:11 pm »

Sgt. Eric Alva lost his right leg when he stepped on a land mine on 3/21/03. He was the war's first injured soldier...he is also gay.

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ACinKC · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:28:15 pm »

Guess Gaydars dont pick up metal objects buried in the sand.

I AM SO SORRY! I HAD TO. Evil me made me do it. Don't banish me!

thunter34 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:32:48 pm »

Oh, AC...I'm gonna have to give you a frownie face for that one.

No banishment, but a frownie face for sure.

ACinKC · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:34:00 pm »

I know I know.... bad AC. Bad AC. I couldnt help it though. Funny, but all KINDS of wrong.

david25luvit · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:51:59 pm »

Bad AC Bad Boy!!!!
Shameless........... let's hope karma doesn't take yours

Dachshund · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2007, 01:01:58 pm »

Quote from: ACinKC on March 14, 2007, 12:34:00 pm

I know I know.... bad AC. Bad AC. I couldnt help it though. Funny, but all KINDS of wrong.

The thing is it wasn't even funny.

AlanBama · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2007, 03:27:28 pm »

Here's a nice article by former Senator Alan Simpson:
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Bigotry That Hurts Our Military

By Alan K. Simpson
Wednesday, March 14, 2007

As a lifelong Republican who served in the Army in Germany, I believe it is critical that we review -- and overturn -- the ban on gay service in the military. I voted for "don't ask, don't tell." But much has changed since 1993.

My thinking shifted when I read that the military was firing translators because they are gay. According to the Government Accountability Office, more than 300 language experts have been fired under "don't ask, don't tell," including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. This when even Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recently acknowledged the nation's "foreign language deficit" and how much our government needs Farsi and Arabic speakers. Is there a "straight" way to translate Arabic? Is there a "gay" Farsi? My God, we'd better start talking sense before it is too late. We need every able-bodied, smart patriot to help us win this war.

In today's perilous global security situation, the real question is whether allowing homosexuals to serve openly would enhance or degrade our readiness. The best way to answer this is to reconsider the original points of opposition to open service.

First, America's views on homosexuals serving openly in the military have changed dramatically. The percentage of Americans in favor has grown from 57 percent in 1993 to a whopping 91 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds surveyed in a Gallup poll in 2003.

Military attitudes have also shifted. Fully three-quarters of 500 vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan said in a December Zogby poll that they were comfortable interacting with gay people. Also last year, a Zogby poll showed that a majority of service members who knew a gay member in their unit said the person's presence had no negative impact on the unit or personal morale. Senior leaders such as retired Gen. John Shalikashvili and Lt. Gen. Daniel Christman, a former West Point superintendent, are calling for a second look.

Second, 24 nations, including 12 in Operation Enduring Freedom and nine in Operation Iraqi Freedom, permit open service. Despite controversy surrounding the policy change, it has had no negative impact on morale, cohesion, readiness or recruitment. Our allies did not display such acceptance back when we voted on "don't ask, don't tell," but we should consider their common-sense example.

Third, there are not enough troops to perform the required mission. The Army is "about broken," in the words of Colin Powell. The Army's chief of staff, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, told the House Armed Services Committee in December that "the active-duty Army of 507,000 will break unless the force is expanded by 7,000 more soldiers a year." To fill its needs, the Army is granting a record number of "moral waivers," allowing even felons to enlist. Yet we turn away patriotic gay and lesbian citizens.

The Urban Institute estimates that 65,000 gays are serving and that there are 1 million gay veterans. These gay vets include Capt. Cholene Espinoza, a former U-2 pilot who logged more than 200 combat hours over Iraq, and Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, who lost his right leg to an Iraqi land mine. Since 2005, more than 800 personnel have been discharged from "critical fields" -- jobs considered essential but difficult in terms of training or retraining, such as linguists, medical personnel and combat engineers. Aside from allowing us to recruit and retain more personnel, permitting gays to serve openly would enhance the quality of the armed forces.

In World War II, a British mathematician named Alan Turing led the effort to crack the Nazis' communication code. He mastered the complex German enciphering machine, helping to save the world, and his work laid the basis for modern computer science. Does it matter that Turing was gay? This week, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said that homosexuality is "immoral" and that the ban on open service should therefore not be changed. Would Pace call Turing "immoral"?

Since 1993, I have had the rich satisfaction of knowing and working with many openly gay and lesbian Americans, and I have come to realize that "gay" is an artificial category when it comes to measuring a man or woman's on-the-job performance or commitment to shared goals. It says little about the person. Our differences and prejudices pale next to our historic challenge. Gen. Pace is entitled, like anyone, to his personal opinion, even if it is completely out of the mainstream of American thinking. But he should know better than to assert this opinion as the basis for policy of a military that represents and serves an entire nation. Let us end "don't ask, don't tell." This policy has become a serious detriment to the readiness of America's forces as they attempt to accomplish what is arguably the most challenging mission in our long and cherished history.

The writer was a Republican senator from Wyoming from 1979 to 1997.

Dachshund · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2007, 05:00:41 pm »

Conservative Senator Simpson's views on don't ask don't tell are well worth the read. He had an editorial in the Washington Post that you will find a link to here.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/14/hunter-bigotry/trackback/

Dachshund · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2007, 07:50:58 am »

Another immoral hero for you General Pace.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/14/an-immoral-hero/trackback/

thunter34 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 15, 2007, 06:20:21 pm »

Very limp (though not at all suprising) response from Hillary Clinton:

Senator Hillary Clinton is asked directly what her view is on the matter by Jake Tapper of ABC News. Is homosexuality immoral, he asks her. Her response:

“Well I’m going to leave that to others to conclude. I’m very proud of the gays and lesbians I know who perform work that is essential to our country, who want to serve their country and I want to make sure they can.”

Classic Clinton in that response (the first sentence). She will always leave herself wiggle room and a way to side-step a question. She could have just said, "No". She gets points for at least stating support of allowing gay patriots to serve, but that first sentence sure sticks a bit with me. Ever the politician.

Dachshund · « **Reply #26 on:** March 15, 2007, 06:27:59 pm »

Hillary with a clarification...Edwards looks better everyday.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/15/clinton-homosexuality-is-not-immoral/trackback/

Bucko · « **Reply #27 on:** March 15, 2007, 07:43:47 pm »

Hill's vile, no doubt. She'll be defeated in the Primary process, I hope.

I agree that Edward's got the issues right, and that he's a very appealing candidate. But the reason why the "faggot" remark was directed at him is that it would sting harder and stick faster.

No, I'm not agreeing with Ann "Balls-to-the-Wall" Coulter, but think of it...would she have said the same thing about Barack Obama in a million years? Is it even conceivable that she might have thought it?

And relating to Gen Pace more directly:

It is a crime for anyone in the military, for whatever reason, to express a personal opinion regarding a political issue (or otherwise) while in uniform. His conduct was strictly unbecoming, but should anyone of his superiors (who, exactly anyways) take him to task for this flagrant breech of code, he'd be draped in a martyr's flag by the reactionary Right.

Brent
(Who has read up on the subject)

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