What are the Natural substences? I have used every alternative treatments available... eventually they tend to not work as with meds.. I use alternative along with my meds... I kept myself alive for 5 years with herbs... and eventually the virus finds away around them... What are you using? I don't want to burst your bubble and I'm glad their working but, let everyone know what alternative methods are you using? I think everyone would like to know?
Presently the program is similiar in lines to k-pax,but adds the missing substrates that are required to initiate the correct cell signaling process.
What are the Natural substences? I have used every alternative treatments available... eventually they tend to not work as with meds.. I use alternative along with my meds... I kept myself alive for 5 years with herbs... and eventually the virus finds away around them... What are you using? I don't want to burst your bubble and I'm glad their working but, let everyone know what alternative methods are you using? I think everyone would like to know?
In a totally non-bitchy way I have to say...
I hate to sound rude but when I read posts like this I always get the horrible feeling someone will soon be trying to sell me Noni juice.
In a totally non-bitchy way I have to say...
I hate to sound rude but when I read posts like this I always get the horrible feeling someone will soon be trying to sell me Noni juice.
I understand your concerns hear.Because of my chronic hepatitis B i was unable to tolerate HAART.Eventhough i have a laymans background in cell science i still fell victim to all the quack products and scams at the time.I eventually was diagnosed with aids because i could not tolerate HAART.This product is a result of very exhaustive research and self testing and (make no mistake about it) is a very exhaustive program in the begging.The pill count required for me to bring my cd4s from the lower 200s into the lower 500s in under 4 months is in the range of 40-60 per day.
Lorenzopier:
You seem to be shooting blanks. You're quoting previous responses but not adding your own comments.
Anyway, not to cut you off at the path (okay, maybe just a little), fact of the matter is that triple-drug combination therapy is tried and true in its ability to drop HIV viral loads in the hundreds of thousands to below 50 -- I've never seen the same results, in scientific clinical trials, involving "natural substrates." While a lot of people benefit from taking "natural substrates," I just don't if one can conclude that they "work as well as meds."
Tim Horn
[Thanks Tim for correcting me on my assumption that there are natural agents that work as well as meds but for people who cannot tolerate meds this is definitely the holy grail.Also without the clinical trials to prove it i have only my own evidence to stand on.While i have not been able to drop my viral load below 20,000 copies i have been able to bring my viral load from 200,000 copies to around 20,000 copies using a all natural program within 4 months.
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I keep reading about this natural substance stuff, but I sitll haven't seen you posting any sample regimens yet.
How much is the condo?
You get fries with that?
Unfortunately i cannot give the specifics of my system at this time,because once something really works the big corporations will turn it into a money monopoly
Hello Aztecan,I have to very strongly disagree with your bottom line.Let me try to explain.The science of using vitamins,supplements or any other type of nutraceutical is just that.(A SCIENCE)Just like using HAART is based on the science that using the CORRECT combinations of 3 drugs or more will provide enough synergy to supress viral loads to very low or undectable ranges.I applaud your 11 year effort into trying to use vitamins and supplements as a means of controlling the virus or increasing cd4 counts but without the CORRECT knowledge of how to use the supplements in combinations and what dosages to use without actually shutting down receptors sites, a thousand years of effort could still lead to zero results.
>Pick a bale of cotton.
Now, now. :D He said it was the pills to take, not the cotton from the bottles. ;D
Personally, that's when he lost me though. :( I used to take 32 pills a day several years ago. I don't care how "natural" Lorenz' system is, I'll just continue swallowing the 8 a day my regimen is finally down to (especially since these 8 work ;) ). I'm honest enough to admit I'd never adhere to a regimen of 40-60 pills day.
Hello Leatherman and Thunther34 the cost for me to maintain this system is around about 100 dollars a month if i buy in bulk.The pill count situation is a burden still even to this day.But to me is a worth while trade off for the very much enhanced quality of life as compared to the HAART regimen.
>Jump down.
>Turn around.
>Pick a bale of cotton.
“AIDS is a multi-billion dollar business, but only as long as this epidemic spreads and only as long as the pharmaceutical investment business is able to protect its ‘AIDS market monopoly’ based on patented toxic AIDS drugs.
Any challenge or break of this pharmaceutical monopoly of so-called antiretrovirals, or ARVs, will inevitably lead to the collapse of this multi-billion dollar market with patented AIDS drugs. Fact is, science-based micronutrients - established many decades ago in the textbooks of biology as key biological factors for improving immune deficiencies – are the greatest threat to the survival of the AIDS drug business.
Any media reports discrediting micronutrients serve neither the scientific truth nor the patients affected by AIDS. In fact, the sole benefactors of such an irresponsible attack are the stakeholders of the pharmaceutical investment business in the AIDS epidemic. ”
http://www.jonkaiser.com/docs/StudySummary.pdf
Take a closer look.I am using the principals based on Jon Kaiser research and providing the upgrade needed for not just marginal increased cd4 counts, but greatly enhanced cd4 production.His formula provides 33 micronutrients.The system i am using provides at least 39 micronutrients.The important point here is not neccesarily the increased amount of micronutrients being used ,but how they are being staged to reach the optimum level of effectiveness.
http://www.jonkaiser.com/research/broadspectrum.html
Take a closer look.I am using the principals based on Jon Kaiser research and providing the upgrade needed for not just marginal increased cd4 counts, but greatly enhanced cd4 production.His formula provides 33 micronutrients.The system i am using provides at least 39 micronutrients.The important point here is not neccesarily the increased amount of micronutrients being used ,but how they are being staged to reach the optimum level of effectiveness.
http://www.jonkaiser.com/research/broadspectrum.html
One thing we can’t forget is that this is an AIDS/Meds website and forum. It is sponsored and funded by the pharmaceutical companies’ advertisements. The fact that there is a “Nutrition” section is ironic, since no one really believes that it is much more than a good thing to do, poz or neg. Unfortunately, it’s always going to be all about money. And there’s no money in nutritional supplements because they can’t be patented. Therefore, there’s not much, if any research done on supplements. I can totally sympathize with Lorenzo and relate to his desire to personally seek some solution and cure. I’m not a scientist or a doctor and I can’t sit around and wait for some scientist in a laboratory somewhere to do something either. That’s just my personality. And that’s not to say the folks who would rather go that route are wrong. I get such an overwhelming sadness and feeling of hopelessness from not actively doing something every day to change my life. I can also relate to you folks who say he’s being dodgy and vague. Fact is, even if his tcells did improve, the doctors would merely call it a fluke. But if they really did, then of course he wants to share the news with everyone. The proof is in the pudding, Lorenzo. I think you truly believe in your treatment and your decision to do things differently. I admire that, but to spread the word about a treatment that has not yet been “truly successful” is just not fair to everyone else. Continue your hard work and it will pay off. At that time, you can share your success. In fact, the whole world will want to know.
Hello Knowdiffrent,when i first started experimenting with micronutrients combined with HAART in 2001 as a way to boost cd4 or counter the side effects of HAART,each of my hiv docs since that time basically looked at me as if i was crazy and thouroughly disgusted at me (probaly because of the large amount of micronutrients i was taking).Because of those negative expereinces with docs i have not told my current doc that i am using micronutrients during my on-going 16 month structured treatment interruption.
You know I have a natural system too. My system keeps the viral load down naturally. Somehow my body fights off this infection on its own, so I need a volunteer to EAT ME.
Hello Knowdiffrent,when i first started experimenting with micronutrients combined with HAART in 2001 as a way to boost cd4 or counter the side effects of HAART,each of my hiv docs since that time basically looked at me as if i was crazy and thouroughly disgusted at me (probaly because of the large amount of micronutrients i was taking).Because of those negative expereinces with docs i have not told my current doc that i am using micronutrients during my on-going 16 month structured treatment interruption.
I assumed that he must have been on HAART at some point for him to have went on a couple treatment interruptions.I think he must have meant treatment interruptions of the supplement program that he was using.