Author Topic: Tetrasil "The cure for Aids" (Read 12370 times)

kdouglas · « **on:** June 03, 2009, 09:07:40 am »

Has anyone tried Tetrasil? I found out about it on trueaidscure.com and want to know if anyone had any side efects from it. The information says it may cause a stress on your liver but it seems worh it if it works. I've heard of it before and was interested but it was not availble anywhere except in the form of a face cream. Does anyone have any more information on it?

keyite · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2009, 10:18:30 am »

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Meds/Archive/Alternative/Q184894.html

WillyWump · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2009, 11:33:18 am »

and here...

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Starting/Current/Q154827.html

Peter Staley · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2009, 01:45:13 pm »

kdouglas:

stop spamming our forums with links to trueaidscure.com, or you will quickly get yourself banned.

I've deleted your other postings, but will let this one stand.

Peter Staley
Moderator

kdouglas · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2009, 09:29:12 pm »

I don't understand the censorship in this forum which is supposed to promote activism. I don't think that it is so far fetched to believe that there are professionals out there with a vested interest in keeping a cure from entering clinical trials and receiving widespread press if it looks promising.

I see that the Florida doctor is shooting down these findings out of hand and without any proof. Dr. Antelman is a decorated researcher with plenty of credentials and accomplishments to back up his claims. He is not a 5th grade science student. It is irresponsible and unprofessional for a fellow scientist and Doctor to so frivilously throw around accusations like he did.

Every article I read about Tetrasil admits that it causes stress on the Liver and causes fever but with no permanent side effects and no loss of liver function. Certainly not too high a price to pay. Dr. Antelman is not asking for any money nor is Dr. Graves. They're only mission is to have this treatment taken off the shelf and giving it the attention that we all deserve until it is made available in hospitals and clinics or proven that it is not effective. Dr. Pierone is making a living treating patients with meds that keep subjects alive and paying for treatments for years. if this cure is effective, he would have to find a new line of work.

Frankly, I don't know anything for sure but I have looked into this vaccine and have spoken to many people who swear that it is available, working , cheap and these people have no agenda to say so if it is not true. I want people to know about it to see that this and any other cures. Those who have exhausted all other avenues have nothing to lose. I have a good friend who is holds a master's degree in Biochemistry and he is finds the research of Dr. Graves very compelling and cannot concieve of why there is no public outcry about this. The only explanation that makes sense right now is that it is being suppressed for financial or some other more frightening reason. Watch those videos or check out that website to hear about those theories. Personally, I don't easily swallow those conspiracy theories but the Aids virus, as Dr. Bill Cosby says, sure seems to like black people.

mecch · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2009, 10:28:40 pm »

Most doctors become doctors to help sick people. They are serious people who contribute to society. They do not work for Pharma companies. They work for hospitals or clinics or themselves. No doctor is going to loose his/her profession if there is a cure for any major illness.
If there were a cure for HIV, doctors would pop champagne and say "thank f*ucking God" that's over, now let's do the same for cancer. Or vice versa.

Assurbanipal · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2009, 10:54:41 pm »

And there are plenty of large, well funded organizations looking for a cure that are not controlled by Big Pharma.... starting with the Gates Foundation.

Enough with the conspiracy theories. If they are serious about wanting to get a serious innovtive ides funded and looked at they should apply for a grant http://www.grandchallenges.org/Explorations/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Ann · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2009, 08:23:31 am »

Dr. Graves? Oh please, not that quack again!

Quote from: kdouglas on June 04, 2009, 09:29:12 pm

I don't understand the censorship in this forum which is supposed to promote activism.

You weren't censored, you were asked to not spam the forum. Spamming a forum is posting the same thing over and over again, which is what you did.

Are you even hiv positive? This forum is for hiv positive people only.

Read the posting guideli9nes in our Welcome Thread. Thank you for your cooperation.

Ann

risred1 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2009, 03:24:59 pm »

It always amazing me what people

Want to believe
Need to believe
Have to believe

I am disgusted buy this posting.

And I'm one who believes that there is a place for supplements in dealing with HIV. Which, I'm sure, can be somewhat tenuous a best when it comes to dealing with HIV. (I'm still going to take them though.)

Regardless, how long are we going to have to listen to the out of the mainstream "cure", that is being suppressed by that monster "big pharma". Tapping into peoples fears and paranoia is reprehensible. Are we with HIV to be seen as a desperate group without our own recourse? Isn't this in fact a part of the Stigma we are working against?

2 Years ago, we had an interesting debate regarding the idea that HIV was manageable. There was quite a variety of opinion, and there should be. For some its manageable. And for some its not.

But in the overall sense. Statistic are showing improved survivability. And It seems that in general, treatment has improved with the last batch of new drugs that were approved. (I hope stuff keeps coming down the pipeline, which of course is a real concern.)

Yet this crap shows up here on this board, looking for us vulnerable HIV suffers to promote fake cures using conspiracy theories to bolster the claim.

SHAME!

I'm going to stop now before I get banned for over reacting.

well one more...

SHAME!!

mecch · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2009, 08:55:34 pm »

"shame" is not a productive method to deal with ignorance.

If someone is not obviously shilling snake oil, then we have to give the benefit of the doubt that there is ignorance and fear that results in "desperate" beliefs.

Everyone can get educated to the discourse in a forum, and conspiracy theories and quack cures are old time pals in threatening situations. There is sufficient history of immense fear, suffering and ignorance in the AIDS epidemic to understand that in 2009 there are still people who believe in bull crap, through no maliciousness.

Who will take the time to patiently point out logical flaws in false beliefs about AIDS HIV and treatment, etc. etc. for those who still have them.

On the other hand, shilling is a no no and we need to remain vigilant.

risred1 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2009, 01:41:32 am »

Probably more noble than I can adhere to. But I get your point.

My offense to this posting in general goes to where perceptions lie in relation to the history of HIV.

(Roughly broken into three sections for the purpose of my complaint)

The AIDS Holocost - (Still of course continuing across the world)
The Med Toxicity Era
The Med Tolerability Era

We are in an era where our perception of treatment is still focused on Med Toxicity.

Shouldn't we try to move to Meds are Tolerable?

The poster we can try to educate, but the message remains.

Big Pharma is evil, there fore the meds are too. And there is that element of persecution. Big Pharma is supressing things you need to know. And its such a smoke screen. It reminds me of those African Bank money transfer scam that still to this day my spam filter doesn't catch. Its like you can't kill this stuff. And someone is going to get seduced.

It is shameful to be posting a message like that if your not HIV positive! (which we don't know)

We are in our own battle and process, making critical decisions about our lives.

The part of me that views the board as collective effort to try to help each other, I often wonder how these posting influence opinion. As a background noise, I just can't help but feel that this message holds us back, increases fear of current treatment, and delays us unnecessarily.

It adds to the stigma about meds.

Anne got it right. Is this person even HIV positive? It is a suspicious posting.

newbie76 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2009, 05:42:35 am »

Quote from: Peter Staley on June 03, 2009, 01:45:13 pm

kdouglas:

stop spamming our forums with links to trueaidscure.com, or you will quickly get yourself banned.

I've deleted your other postings, but will let this one stand.

Peter Staley
Moderator

I have just briefly visited this website and although I am sceptical by nature, I couldn't find any link on said site which mentioned that they are indeed trying to sell this stuff or any indication on its cost. Why is that?

Ann · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2009, 05:51:42 am »

Quote from: newbie76 on June 07, 2009, 05:42:35 am

I have just briefly visited this website and although I am sceptical by nature, I couldn't find any link on said site which mentioned that they are indeed trying to sell this stuff or any indication on its cost. Why is that?

No offence, Newbie, but how should we know? It's nothing to do with us. If you really want to know, look for a "contact us" link on their website and ask them.

If you're asking because you are wondering why we said kdouglas was spamming the forum, you don't neccesarily have to be selling something to spam a forum. In this context, spamming can also mean posting the same message in more than one place. It's totally unnecessary and can be quite annoying.

Ann

clsoca · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2009, 10:52:25 am »

In today's immediate information sharing world, conspiracy theories are dead on arrival. There are just too many snitches or otherwise individuals who would spill the beans as secrete informants in this very small world we now find ourselves in. Shoot, even Clinton was unable to keep his Monica affair a secrete.

A true HIV cure would be next to impossible to suppress and hide from the public and I don't see Big Pharma being too productive at suppressing an HIV cure. Big Pharma also has HIV poz employees who would go public in a minute should such occur. I know one such Big Pharma HIV poz employee. He said a conspiracy would be unattainable because of the numerous employees and stakeholders involved.

I think people who taunt and tease the sick with snake oil cures are evil or just plain psychotic.

Just my two cents.

risred1 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2009, 11:47:46 am »

Part of managing the stigma's associated with HIV starts with our selves.

I gather that most of us know better than to invest much time or thought in these obvious hoax's to down right fraudulent claims.

But the reason why we still get emails from folks with difficultly transferring money to the US from Africa, is because it must work as a scam still to this day, on the unsuspecting, trusting and vulnerable folks that share a desperation in life and living.

My reaction is fist pounding. We have much to overcome in our own minds regarding HIV, side effects and our mortality. Every day someone posts how afraid of meds they are.

Trying to change perception on treatment, starts with us. No matter what we say about meds in today's light, still the stigma from the past haunts us. (and understandably so.)

These postings hurts us and plays on folks who have a deathly fear of meds.

With all this ranting from my perspective which is probably for most is a "so what" moment. As a person who just started meds, behind schedule and regretting it, I'm learning that helping each other is telling the good and the bad.

Folks we need success stories. Largely we have legitimate questions and problems to deal with that deserve our attention and consideration. But that is not the only side of the coin. People comfortable with treatment and are doing well, well, some folks need to hear that too.

Moving the needle on perception. Changing the Stigma in our minds. It starts with ourselves.

clsoca · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2009, 01:28:21 pm »

I do feel that there is a lot of miscommunication and bluntly lies relative to HIV meds.

The big lie I don't particularly like is all of the big pharma advertisements concerning HIV meds. The depict HIV meds as what they are not. There is a billboard in LA right now that will almost make you believe that HIV meds will turn you into a super athlete. This is just plain wrong.

Then you have your alarmists who constantly bark about the side effects unnecessarily panicking the infected.

From my viewpoint, the realities of HIV meds are in the middle of big pharma's advertisements and the alarmists.

For the most part, HIV meds are tolerable, plain and simple.

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