Extremely Paranoid

[JonSt]

I went to see a worker (i know im an idiot)
 
The session consisted of Nipple licks (receiving) and ended off with a handjob. There was no penetration what so ever.
 
What made me worry is that i was down with a flu and sorethroat the next day. Im mostly worried if the nipple licks she gave me ended giving me a micro wound, and if the saliva/or ever blood in her saliva may have infected me.(if she was positive)

Also, can someone whose hiv is in its incubation period, infect someone?

Although it sounds stupid, i really need the assurance. Im now living in guilt. Can someone help me?

Thanks
JonSt

[Jim Allen]

HIV is not spread through the activities mentioned here, it meets none of the biological requirements for HIV transmission even if blood had been pissing out of her mouth you still would have no risk as all conditions must be met for transmission to occur.

You simply had no exposure to HIV,  move on with your life.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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[JonSt]

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I did some reading, and one of the transmission methods is through infected blood. So in my case, woudnt the blood in the saliva and paired with a microwound cause infection? Im still hazy with the details as there are so many conflicting reports from my local gp, to even medhelp.

I was hoping that you can explain my exposure/situation better

Thanks
JonSt

[Jim Allen]

No and there are no conflicting reports. Just bad websites.

HIV isn’t transmitted by hugging, shaking hands, sharing toilets, sharing dishes, kissing, through saliva, tears, or sweat. It is not viable once exposed outside the human body and not transmitted though "micro wounds" or whatever you call it.

Saliva is not infectious and even if it had blood in it this would have to be in quantity and having a direct route to infect, this as air & saliva corrodes HIV leaving it unable to infect.

Kissing and licking your nipples is not a risk, no infections ever this way and micro wounds are not a route either. 

The theory of wounds only applies and I say theory as there have been only 2 cases involving car accidents whereby the people were dying from open wounds and bleeding out into each other, so for the cuts/wounds for this to be even in the slightest possible, it would require deep open cuts on both people that are actively bleeding such as bleeding to death for it easy to be a theory.

This is because biologically, four conditions need to be present for transmission to occur: The virus must be present in an infectious body fluid from the HIV positive person, it must be present at sufficient levels to cause infection. There must be an effective route of transmission, and it must reach susceptible cells in another person

You did not meet any of the 4 biologically conditions needed, licking does not meet the requirement, "micro wounds" do not meet the requirements.

Stop looking for an issue you simply do not have and move on with your life.

Jim

[JonSt]

Hey.

I have a history of cold sores, got infected a year ago. I heard that having herpes/cikd sores actually increses your chances of getting Hiv by 3 times. Do i have to be worried?

And also, my exposure was a no risk when it comes to this situation? Can you please elaborate on this matter?

Thanks
JonSt

[Jim Allen]

Only if it would be on the end of your penis during unprotected intercourse or had gaping broken open sores in your mouth whilst giving a BJ, and yes you can get both herpes types in the genital area.

See the theory of STI "increasing" the odds of HIV transmission is if you have a preexisting STI causing lets say inflammation or open sores it might when you do take an already known risk, lets say unprotected intercourse increase the likelihood of HIV being transmitted to you. Anyhow it does not make a "no risk situation" for HIV transmission into a risk and this is widely misunderstood.

You had no risk, you simply have not been exposed to HIV that was viable to transmit to you and/or had a required route for HIV to infect you.

The fear is irrational and I hope you learn to move on and past this irrational fear

Jim

[JonSt]

Hello. I found myself in the same depressing state yet again. I went to see another sex worker.....

I had an encounter with a sex worker. There was no penetration. Just unprotected handjobs. But throughout the session, she kept kissing my body (stomach, chest, neck and nipples) She also licked my nipples for like 10 seconds. Also she sat on my leg shin area while she was in her underwear. (shin area for like 7 seconds) There was no broken skin upon insoection of the area.

Do i have anything to worry about from my exposure? Is hiv test warranted? If so, which gen? and what is the window period?

I thank you for all the guidance given on this forum

Thanks

[Jim Allen]

 

Seriously ?

Move on with your life, i mean it. read back the thread I have explained what activities are and are not a risk and the reason's why in detail already.

HIV is not transmitted this way so get over it already and stop looking for a problem you simply do not have. Talk to a therapist to help you deal with your irrational fears and paranoia.

Jim

[JonSt]

Thanks for the reply. Although i have a questions.

Can hiv actually pass though underwear saturated with vaginal fluids? And if so, will a seven second contact with skin (intact or non-intact) be enough to transmit it?. I aplogize for asking so many questions. Im just trying to beat my anxiety with the power of knowledge.

Thanks
Jon

[Ptrk3]

No, the HIV can't pass through underwear.  The HIV does not survive outside the body.

Please move on and do not post about this incident again.

[JonSt]

Hey. I kept re reading your posts. And my anxiety seems t9 have calmed down.

But from the other posts i see here, it seems that the risk of getting HIV from a poz person,is not based on the person, but rather the actions done, that makes it risky. Am i right?

[Ptrk3]

Yes, that is absolutely correct.  It is the activity that matters if you engage in risky or "less safe" activities with those who are HIV positive and have viral loads that are detectable.

 If your partner is HIV negative (truly HIV negative, that is, and not within the window period of possible HIV infection), the activity is irrelevant and you will never contract the HIV from that individual.

Access this link to read and learn how the HIV is transmitted:

https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/hiv-transmission-risks

[JonSt]

Good morning (Atleast where im from)

My questions have nothing to do with my situation but rather why some information on websites are potrayed in such a way that it seems that everyone can get get HIV really easily

1) The theory of superficial cuts, wounds: After reading articles from CDC and other websites, a nick in the skin is able to get Hiv, where as forum answers from the poz admins (Ann, Jim, Velez) say that deep cuts, with blood pouring out, that require stitches are the ones that really need to be careful. So confused.

2) All websites say that vaginal fluids are one method that HIV can be transmitted, but after reading the POZ forum awnsers, its not the secretions from the bartholin glands bit rather the cervomucous fluids? (i hope i spelled that right). Again, so confused.

Is it because there is no proper study on the HIV virus that information such as this are still being left out?

So many conflicting information....Btw, thank you for all the guidance of all the admins in this forum.

[Ptrk3]

Answers to your questions:

1)  Much information you may read may be outdated, yet remains on the internet.  Also, we don't comment on information that exists on other sites.  The moderators here make risk assessments to the best of his or her ability, based on the current knowledge he or she has about potentially risky activities, in response to the information provided by the member who poses the question.  You, of course, are free to reject that assessment.  The only sure way for you to know if you are HIV negative because of an activity in which you engaged is to test for HIV antibodies six weeks after the activity and then at 13 weeks after the activity for confirmation of the six week test results.

2) Same answer as above.  If you have any reason to believe you are at risk of having been exposed to the HIV for any reason, by any mode, and you don't wish to rely of the educated/informed opinion of others, get tested for HIV antibodies for your own peace of mind.  It's that simple.

[JonSt]

 

Even after reading through all of the posting here, i took a step further and spent some money on asking doctors online about my recent exposure. On both mediums, it says that still no worries and testing wont be warranted. Since my morning post I've been on doctor goggle trying to find some assurances. But ended up scaring myself yet again. I am so sick of this situation.

Im a very paranoid person since young, suffering from anxiety. For a piece of mind, ive decided to test on the 28th day via the 4th generation test. But suddenly, the fear of a positive, and the addition of waiting another 23 is taking a toll on me 

[Wade]

You did not have a risk and have been told so why in great detail.
Test for peace of mind only at 13 weeks and expect a conclusive negative result because that is what you will receive.
Please seek face to face counseling and get the help we can not provide here.

Wade

[JonSt]

Not sure if im going to face a ban with my question but here it goes.

If  vaginal fluids are a medium for transmission, then why would my exposure be a no risk situation, i mean ive read he awnsers given my the admins/mods and still find it abit to hard to believe. This it feeds my anxiety

*Situation was the worker was in her underwear and sitting on my shin area, not sure why non intact skin would be considered a no risk. So many information, most of the awnsers given here are not "official" and not on the CDC website.

I apologize for the anxiety driven posts.

Jon

[Wade]

Your question has been asked and answered.
Believe me we would have told you had even a remote risk.
You are being given a 28 day time out to seek the help we can not provide in this setting. I really am wishing you the best.

Wade

[JonSt]

Hello. Back again after some time.

I need some guidance on a matter admins, and i hope that you guys will be able to help.

1st exposure(4th gen finger prick): 28th day negative, 49th day negative (49th day refers to the same day i had my test for my second exposure)

2nd exposure(4th gen finger prick): 28th day negative.

Fo i need further testing admins? I feel that my life has been on a downhill slope these past 2 months. Just afraid of being poz.

My exposure were both with a sex worker, no sex, not even a damm blowjob. Both had their innerwear on the whole time. On both exposure there was contact with their vaginal area(them in underwear)with my shin. I immediately went to the toilet, soaped and washed off. The second time beimg more horrifying as i discovered 2 small wounds, they were red on the edges, but not bleeding.

Im mostly afraid of vaginal fluids(if any) getting into wounds. Can you advise my risk level. Ive gotten answers ranging from no risk to negligible.

Can i also ask if transmission is possible via undies wet with vaginal fluids

Please go easy on me

As always my best wishes to the admins here

Regards
JonSt

[Wade]

Nothing you have mentioned in any of your posts were risk for HIV, and your questions have been asked and answered.

Testing guidelines are 6 weeks past exposure and again at 13 to confirm your results,
 (most will have developed antibodies if infected by 6 weeks)
This information is in case you ever do have a risky exposure, such as unprotected intercourse

It has already been explained to you the virus can not be transmitted through
clothing, and I can also see you have not spoken to anyone about your irrational fears. For your own sake you are receiving an 8 week time out to do so.

Wishing you the best,

Wade